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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:36:49 PM EDT
Do we burn our fields? Or set up perimeters around the iPhone loving, non-growers?
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:38:26 PM EDT
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IDK but if the commies do come take your farms it will only be long enough to raid any crops. They sure as hell ain’t going to do the work to grow more.
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:39:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IDK but if the commies do come take your farms it will only be long enough to raid any crops. They sure as hell ain’t going to do the work to grow more. True. So, checkpoints? |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:40:26 PM EDT
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Cut off roads to prevent invasions. (No food into cities).
Cut off electricity (no communications for coordination). Cut off water (no hygiene, high sickness). Wait 6 mos to 1 year. (Allow trucks to haul dead to potters/pauper fields). |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:41:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do we burn our fields? Or set up perimeters around the iPhone loving, non-growers? Why would we burn our fields? They are OUR fields. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:41:45 PM EDT
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Shut down their cell phones/network access and city dwellers won't know what to do. It will be total panic when they can't reach social media to affirm their sense of self worth.
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:41:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cut off roads to prevent invasions. (No food into cities). Cut off electricity (no communications for coordination). Cut off water (no hygiene, high sickness). Wait 6 mos to 1 year. (Allow trucks to haul dead to potters/pauper fields). That's the way I see it.... they have more people but are to chicken for human-wave attacks |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IDK but if the commies do come take your farms it will only be long enough to raid any crops. They sure as hell ain’t going to do the work to grow more. Then let them find out what a 6.5 welcome feels like. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:42:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. So, checkpoints? Checkpoints. Cut off food supplies, perhaps water as well. As they come pouring out of the cities, capture them. No need to engage in a Stalingrad style fight. At which point I don't know what happens. I suppose some could be enslaved, a few, hopefully most turn out to be decent people. But many would probably be liquidated. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:43:45 PM EDT
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You guys and your fantasies.
What I was shocked by this election season is how many Biden signs I saw out in rural Missouri, and MO went Republican big time. A real Red Wave unlike liberal bastions like GA or TX. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:44:03 PM EDT
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Starve them and freeze them in the dark into death or submission
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:45:24 PM EDT
[#11]
When resources get scarce they will kill their own, their strongest will survive to spread out.
With limited supply and knowledge of guns they will be devastated by a few battles and change tactics. Their most effective use of violence will be using vehicles to overwhelm (as in driving a truck into your house) and fire... lighting your house on fire to get you out. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:45:49 PM EDT
[#12]
Quantity has a quality all its own.
They outnumber you quite a bit. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:45:54 PM EDT
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Inner cities burn, if you’re in one, have a plan to leave as soon as it looks like it’s popping off.
Conservative state Governors will deploy NG to put the protests down aggressively. Democrat state Governors will fail to recognize Trump as President. Will begin demonizing anyone supporting him in their borders. Conservative suburbs will form perimeters to hold the line. Democratic suburbs will burn. Trump will deploy Federal forces to Governors who ask for help. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:46:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would we burn our fields? They are OUR fields. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do we burn our fields? Or set up perimeters around the iPhone loving, non-growers? Why would we burn our fields? They are OUR fields. Like the Russians..... heck I don't know I'm wargamming.  |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:47:57 PM EDT
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Indiscriminate precision based your location independent of anything or anyone untrusted for security purposes. Call of Duty was my favorite wargame . I don’t remember any burning fields . I liked the rural areas better , with forests and mountains and stuff .
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then let them find out what a 6.5 welcome feels like. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IDK but if the commies do come take your farms it will only be long enough to raid any crops. They sure as hell ain’t going to do the work to grow more. Then let them find out what a 6.5 welcome feels like. Nice, that's my frontline... of the Grendel version though. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:48:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quantity has a quality all its own. They outnumber you quite a bit. Yes, but how organized are they? If they have been starved for a few weeks I guarantee they are going to be a very... Entropy rich mob. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:48:51 PM EDT
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You guys don't realize that these people are your next door neighbors?
They're your mail man. Your barber. Your grocer. Your local cop. Your kid's elementary school teacher. The dude at 7/11 you buy smokes from every day. This isn't going to be city people vs rural dudes. It's going to be neighbor against neighbor and there aren't uniforms. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Checkpoints. Cut off food supplies, perhaps water as well. As they come pouring out of the cities, capture them and put them in cages. No need to engage in a Stalingrad style fight. At which point I don't know what happens. I suppose some could be enslaved, a few might turn out to be decent people. But most would probably have to be liquidated. Too much soy and bitterness to even be worked to death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: True. So, checkpoints? Checkpoints. Cut off food supplies, perhaps water as well. As they come pouring out of the cities, capture them and put them in cages. No need to engage in a Stalingrad style fight. At which point I don't know what happens. I suppose some could be enslaved, a few might turn out to be decent people. But most would probably have to be liquidated. Too much soy and bitterness to even be worked to death. Would our re-education be Evangelical Youth groups? |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:50:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys and your fantasies. What I was shocked by this election season is how many Biden signs I saw out in rural Missouri, and MO went Republican big time. A real Red Wave unlike liberal bastions like GA or TX. Yeah, I have 2 Bernie bros and 2 Biden signs |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:50:32 PM EDT
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The burbs aren't as bad as some make them out. Not a single political sign in my entire neighborhood but out in the rural areas, which we're right on the edge of, a ton of biden signs. When you move closer, inside the outer belt perimeter, that's where you really notice a shit ton of Democrat political signs of all flavors.
Anyhow just take out the cell towers and watch the show. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:50:57 PM EDT
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How organized are rural folks? Most of them seem to be into holing up and being left alone. That's my goal once I get out of this god forsaken shithole of a city.
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:51:10 PM EDT
[#23]
This ain't rocket science. Pump a few dozen tracers into major substation transformers and the lights go out...for a long, long time. Once the power is out, that's it for cities.
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would our re-education be Evangelical Youth groups? It would all depend on how many resources could be spared for reeducation. And who is in charge of said reeducation. Based on historical trends it would probably be pretty brutal. I didn't use the word enslavement in my previous post lightly. Yesterday I was talking to my best friend about the end of WW2 and how unusually large numbers of German troops committed suicide at the end of that war. There were many reasons, some obvious, some less so but the big factor, my friend insisted was that most of those German troops were detoxing off of...  Attached FileThose people pouring out of the cities will be running on quite the cocktail of drugs. Legal and illegal. Someone detoxing off of say cocaine could turn out to be harmless compared to someone detoxing off of antidepressants. And the rural dwellers probably aren't going to have any patience for such detoxing beyond perhaps throwing these people into a shack or a cage with a thin blanket, a bottle of water, perhaps some thin gruel and the words. "Good luck!" |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:55:23 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When resources get scarce they will kill their own, their strongest will survive to spread out. With limited supply and knowledge of guns they will be devastated by a few battles and change tactics. Their most effective use of violence will be using vehicles to overwhelm (as in driving a truck into your house) and fire... lighting your house on fire to get you out. I think it will take awhile for them to leave. Its what they now. Gives time to consolidate in the rural regions and quarentine off the trouble cities. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:55:57 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IDK but if the commies do come take your farms it will only be long enough to raid any crops. They sure as hell ain't going to do the work to grow more. https://thepostmillennial.com/seattle-chaz-larp-farm |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How organized are rural folks? Most of them seem to be into holing up and being left alone. That's my goal once I get out of this god forsaken shithole of a city. More than you think. My county of 8000 had over 500 armed men show up for an alleged BLM protest in our town. No BLM showed. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:58:14 PM EDT
[#28]
Why would you burn your fields? Turn the cities into a food desert.
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:59:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Every time I'm at the gun shop I'm seeing tons of...urban folks buying AR/AK/SCAR, etc. I wonder if the average ghetto thug spends more time operating as a unit than your average holing up rural dweller? They certainly are well armed. And starving people will do crazy shit.
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:59:56 PM EDT
[#30]
Does anybody know the locations of the satellite uplink facilities for the news media outlets?
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:02:25 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anybody know the locations of the satellite uplink facilities for the news media outlets? Don't know where one would look. But that sounds like substantial infrastructure that would be easy to find and sabotage. And possibly quite difficult to repair. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:03:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This ain't rocket science. Pump a few dozen tracers into major substation transformers and the lights go out...for a long, long time. Once the power is out, that's it for cities. Pretty sure you just need some tin foil streamers. Why waste ammo. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:03:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would we burn our fields? They are OUR fields. Same reason that Russia did when Napoleon started moving east. Deny the enemy fodder or forage and lengthen their supply lines. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:04:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would all depend on how many resources could be spared for reeducation. And who is in charge of said reeducation. Based on historical trends it would probably be pretty brutal. I didn't use the word enslavement in my previous post lightly. Yesterday I was talking to my best friend about the end of WW2 and how unusually large numbers of German troops committed suicide at the end of that war. There were many reasons, some obvious, some less so but the big factor, my friend insisted was that most of those German troops were detoxing off of... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/383325/image_jpeg-1679426.JPG Those people pouring out of the cities will be running on quite the cocktail of drugs. Legal and illegal. Someone detoxing off of say cocaine could turn out to be harmless compared to someone detoxing off of antidepressants. And the rural dwellers probably aren't going to have any patience for such detoxing beyond perhaps throwing these people into a shack or a cage with a thin blanket, a bottle of water, perhaps some thin gruel and the words. "Good luck!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would our re-education be Evangelical Youth groups? It would all depend on how many resources could be spared for reeducation. And who is in charge of said reeducation. Based on historical trends it would probably be pretty brutal. I didn't use the word enslavement in my previous post lightly. Yesterday I was talking to my best friend about the end of WW2 and how unusually large numbers of German troops committed suicide at the end of that war. There were many reasons, some obvious, some less so but the big factor, my friend insisted was that most of those German troops were detoxing off of... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/383325/image_jpeg-1679426.JPG Those people pouring out of the cities will be running on quite the cocktail of drugs. Legal and illegal. Someone detoxing off of say cocaine could turn out to be harmless compared to someone detoxing off of antidepressants. And the rural dwellers probably aren't going to have any patience for such detoxing beyond perhaps throwing these people into a shack or a cage with a thin blanket, a bottle of water, perhaps some thin gruel and the words. "Good luck!" Well...... we do have the meth. Maybe a lil ' weed. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:10:03 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well...... we do have the meth. Maybe a lil ' weed. The more I think about it though the more I think about what it would look like to have millions of people roaming the countryside having antidepressants working out of their system. The metaphor of Reavers from Firefly come to mind. However it happens, regardless of politics, if that infrastructure fails. It's going to be ugly. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:12:23 PM EDT
[#36]
Power lines, edit, theoretical of course
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:12:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The more I think about it though the more I think about what it would look like to have millions of people roaming the countryside having antidepressants working out of their system. The metaphor of Reavers from Firefly come to mind. However it happens, regardless of politics, if that infrastructure fails. It's going to be ugly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well...... we do have the meth. Maybe a lil ' weed. The more I think about it though the more I think about what it would look like to have millions of people roaming the countryside having antidepressants working out of their system. The metaphor of Reavers from Firefly come to mind. However it happens, regardless of politics, if that infrastructure fails. It's going to be ugly. Target rich. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:14:04 PM EDT
[#38]
Let them starve.
Knock out power stations and water stations. Set up sniper teams to shoot the ones they send to fix power and water stations. Eventually no one will want to go fix it. Modern conveniences for cities are just a major disaster away from chaos. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:15:19 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Indiscriminate precision based your location independent of anything or anyone untrusted for security purposes. Call of Duty was my favorite wargame . I don’t remember any burning fields . I liked the rural areas better , with forests and mountains and stuff . Are you a bot? |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:15:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quantity has a quality all its own. They outnumber you quite a bit. What difference dos that make when you can pick them off 500+ meters away? Bring enough ammo and a couple of friends. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:17:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anybody know the locations of the satellite uplink facilities for the news media outlets? I know of one in Mesa, AZ - they aren’t that hard to spot. Look for a bunch of dish antennas |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:18:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure you just need some tin foil streamers. Why waste ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This ain't rocket science. Pump a few dozen tracers into major substation transformers and the lights go out...for a long, long time. Once the power is out, that's it for cities. Pretty sure you just need some tin foil streamers. Why waste ammo. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:19:31 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same reason that Russia did when Napoleon started moving east. Deny the enemy fodder or forage and lengthen their supply lines. I have a better idea, set up checkpoints and QRF's. Control your own fields. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:21:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would we burn our fields? They are OUR fields. It's called "Scorched Earth" the Russians used it very effectively against Napoleon Bonaparte.
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:21:53 PM EDT
[#45]
You have to be lucky every time.
They only have to be lucky once. Remote non-community dwellings will be extremely difficult to hold on to. You will need a small force to hold anything. At least 25 to 50 people. And are they all going to be able to eliminate every single person that comes to them for help? |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:22:56 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cut off roads to prevent invasions. (No food into cities). Cut off electricity (no communications for coordination). Cut off water (no hygiene, high sickness). Wait 6 mos to 1 year. (Allow trucks to haul dead to potters/pauper fields). This. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Strictly hypothetically speaking? More dramatic, and I have plenty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This ain't rocket science. Pump a few dozen tracers into major substation transformers and the lights go out...for a long, long time. Once the power is out, that's it for cities. Pretty sure you just need some tin foil streamers. Why waste ammo. Nice!! |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:24:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cut off roads to prevent invasions. (No food into cities). Cut off electricity (no communications for coordination). Cut off water (no hygiene, high sickness). Wait 6 mos to 1 year. (Allow trucks to haul dead to potters/pauper fields). Great plan to get the much larger number of people in the cities that are presently on your side, to be *not* on your side. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:24:28 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have to be lucky every time. They only have to be lucky once. Remote non-community dwellings will be extremely difficult to hold on to. You will need a small force to hold anything. At least 25 to 50 people. And are they all going to be able to eliminate every single person that comes to them for help? Why do you have to be a Debbie downer? We killing commies here!! |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 1:25:16 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shut down their cell phones/network access and city dwellers won't know what to do. It will be total panic when they can't reach social media to affirm their sense of self worth. I would also suggest comandeering outlying broadcast towers to blast propaganda across their airwaves. |
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