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Posted: 1/5/2020 1:50:19 PM EDT
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He has not run the company for almost 10 years. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 1:58:54 PM EDT
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Why, are the IRA in need of replacements?
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Posted: 1/5/2020 2:01:45 PM EDT
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He's back as an advisor. I spoke with him and the SAC guys at the SAR show in Phoenix in early Dec. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He has not run the company for almost 10 years. 
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Posted: 1/5/2020 2:37:33 PM EDT
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You put lipstick on your guns, too? I don't understand why anyone cares about a gun's aesthetics. It's a fucking tool with one job: To kill shit. This is why Hi-points are regarded as fugly. Biggest problems with the original AR-180B was the non-chromed barrel and the tendency of the lower to crack if you slammed the upper closed in a certain way. Plus that optics mount. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 3:30:13 PM EDT
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There is a certain type of ugliness that arises purely from shitty design. A well designed tool is beautiful in its own right. This is why Hi-points are regarded as fugly. Biggest problems with the original AR-180B was the non-chromed barrel and the tendency of the lower to crack if you slammed the upper closed in a certain way. Plus that optics mount. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You put lipstick on your guns, too? I don't understand why anyone cares about a gun's aesthetics. It's a fucking tool with one job: To kill shit. This is why Hi-points are regarded as fugly. Biggest problems with the original AR-180B was the non-chromed barrel and the tendency of the lower to crack if you slammed the upper closed in a certain way. Plus that optics mount. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 3:44:35 PM EDT
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Lol. The company that bought Armalite can't even keep basic AR-10/15 parts in stock.
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Posted: 1/5/2020 3:50:12 PM EDT
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Why, are the IRA in need of replacements? |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 3:56:36 PM EDT
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It seems like everything in this industry is currently dependent on price point.
There are better $1200-2000 rifles out there. I won't buy a AR180 at that. $700-800 and we can talk. Price it to compete and it will sell. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 3:58:14 PM EDT
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Biggest factor is price. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 3:59:01 PM EDT
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It seems like everything in this industry is currently dependent on price point. There are better $1200-2000 rifles out there. I won't buy a AR180 at that. $700-800 and we can talk. Price it to compete and it will sell. No way they could move enough units to justify tooling up to manufacture them in the original manner at that price point. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 4:02:09 PM EDT
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Lol if it's this fuckass ugly thing you're talking about, no. No. Just no. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125898/VXB4J2T2DVBIZKCIZKENFYDYJQ_jpg-1217695.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125898/U4FCI2GH5VA2RAXYZSX5D6LEEQ_jpg-1217696.JPG |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 4:05:03 PM EDT
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Yes, but a belt fed. God damn I want a belt fed Stoner and a binary trigger. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 4:10:49 PM EDT
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Not really interested. It would be really cool to have one, I do like the design.
But, as a practical matter, I can get an AR-15 that will work as well or better than an AR-180 far cheaper than an AR-180 would cost to make. And the AR-15 has the advantage in availability of parts, especially in the future. So, an AR-180 is not really a practical rifle. But, maybe I would want one as a collector or just because it's different? Yea, I do. But there's a whole laundry list of guns I want just to have and the AR-180, while nowhere near the bottom, is not anywhere near the top either. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 8:26:50 PM EDT
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What has not been discussed are mags:
Whatever design for the rifle is made a mag will be needed. PLEASE ARMALITE............. Make a 20 round RETRO, dual cut, Armalite AR-18 branded mag. Dual cut meaning AR-15 cut on one side and AR-180 cut on the other side. STRAIGHT not curved. Floorplate with original logo and AR-18. Sterling mags use this dual cut feature. They work in the AR-15 and the AR-180. That way the mag will look great and function in any final design and the original design. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 8:35:53 PM EDT
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Lol. The company that bought Armalite can't even keep basic AR-10/15 parts in stock. |
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Posted: 1/5/2020 10:27:49 PM EDT
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Really...did ArmaLite touch you? |
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Posted: 1/6/2020 1:09:05 AM EDT
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So, an AR-180 is not really a practical rifle. But, maybe I would want one as a collector or just because it's different? Yea, I do. But there's a whole laundry list of guns I want just to have and the AR-180, while nowhere near the bottom, is not anywhere near the top either. |
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Posted: 1/6/2020 1:28:17 AM EDT
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why the fuck doesnt someone make a belt fed 556 or 72 AR upper that isnt ridiculous priced.
AHEM,.. PSA.... AHEM. get er dun i would buy a half dozen of them if it was reliable and affordable |
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Posted: 1/6/2020 1:34:20 AM EDT
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No I don't want one!
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Posted: 1/6/2020 1:46:16 AM EDT
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why the fuck doesnt someone make a belt fed 556 or 72 AR upper that isnt ridiculous priced. AHEM,.. PSA.... AHEM. get er dun i would buy a half dozen of them if it was reliable and affordable |
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Posted: 1/6/2020 1:47:44 AM EDT
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Would buy one closely resembling the original (non-Sterling) AR180 B. Priced $800 to $900 max. Saw one go for $1000 on GB like new with box.
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Posted: 1/6/2020 1:47:47 AM EDT
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Yes. Made exactly like the original.
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Posted: 1/8/2020 12:36:37 PM EDT
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I had a nice chat with Mark Westrom and Ben from Armalite at the SAR West show.
They were very enthusiastic about bringing back the AR180. I dropped a few hints about what I think the market would like to see. Personally I want to see an AR180S but until then I will build my own. 
My AR18S shown for extra internet points! |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 1:14:20 PM EDT
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I have one of the originals, and its a decent weapon. Has pluses and minuses, like anything else.
The mag thing is no big deal. Reasonably easy to convert AR mags at home. Alternatively, be super easy for a vendor to convert them if there was adequate demand. What I think kinda sucks is the folding stock. I'd rework that feature. Completely. Chrome lined barrel is not really a feature I seek out in any barrel. I'd prefer stainless or a CHF steel. With a modern twist rate. |
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Posted: 1/8/2020 9:36:37 PM EDT
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I have one of the originals, and its a decent weapon. Has pluses and minuses, like anything else. The mag thing is no big deal. Reasonably easy to convert AR mags at home. Alternatively, be super easy for a vendor to convert them if there was adequate demand. What I think kinda sucks is the folding stock. I'd rework that feature. Completely. Chrome lined barrel is not really a feature I seek out in any barrel. I'd prefer stainless or a CHF steel. With a modern twist rate. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 1:57:52 PM EDT
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something to get you hungry waiting for an ar-180.
ar-18 ar-180b brn-180 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CsMqdYQjSQ |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 2:08:49 PM EDT
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Lol. The company that bought Armalite can't even keep basic AR-10/15 parts in stock. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 2:12:50 PM EDT
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Armalite prefers to sell to LE/MIL and doesn’t care if the peasants can own their guns or not.
So they get none of my money. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 2:14:42 PM EDT
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Yeah, funny, I called them Friday because I am looking for a new handguard and I liked the looks of theirs. I called an asked if their handguard was coming out in mlok and several different people could not answer me. No thanks Armalite. to the point of wondering how they keep the doors open. an ar-180 could put them in the game again. their product and development staff should be fired. stagnant employees with no ideas showing up for a paycheck. rejects from "kruger industrial smoothing". Coco must be their CFO. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 2:19:37 PM EDT
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I already told Mark Westrom they should just buy NDS-18S lowers from us.  |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 2:19:47 PM EDT
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Ruger also Kel-Tec, high point  , sccy, volquartsen, Knights and Barrett.
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Posted: 1/19/2020 2:22:08 PM EDT
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If they were to go back to the original stamped steel/welded lower construction ---that Id be interested in, but I know it would also push the price way up. If Armalite were to buy NDS' lowers, they could have an excellent rifle |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 3:35:08 PM EDT
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Fluffy.
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Posted: 1/19/2020 3:37:19 PM EDT
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Modern Armalite isn't the same Armalite that made the AR-180.
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Posted: 1/19/2020 3:43:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its been awhile since I looked the stoner guns up, but if I recall the gun can be converted back and forth from a rifle to a belt and vice versa My god it just looks so damn good. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 3:47:37 PM EDT
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Short barrel, beltfed was the preferred variant.
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Posted: 1/19/2020 3:52:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat gun does look pretty solid. Someone should remake that.
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Posted: 1/19/2020 6:12:32 PM EDT
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Armalite prefers to sell to LE/MIL and doesn’t care if the peasants can own their guns or not. So they get none of my money. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 6:59:46 PM EDT
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Armalite prefers to sell to LE/MIL and doesn’t care if the peasants can own their guns or not. So they get none of my money.
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Posted: 1/19/2020 7:42:19 PM EDT
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Short barrel, beltfed was the preferred variant. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/military/images/c/cf/Stoner63lmg-2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110204172018 
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:02:05 PM EDT
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SORRY Armalite. Do not waste your time with your AR-180 project.
Brownells beat you to the punch. It would be very hard to compete with this new Brownells release. 
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:10:26 PM EDT
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Armalite prefers to sell to LE/MIL and doesn’t care if the peasants can own their guns or not. So they get none of my money. 
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Posted: 1/23/2020 9:52:49 AM EDT
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I already told Mark Westrom they should just buy NDS-18S lowers from us. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 4:12:45 PM EDT
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Was there any news from Armalite at SHOT?
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Posted: 1/29/2020 4:04:48 PM EDT
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 Armalite Super SASS Rifle and 9mm PCC - SHOT Show 2020 |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 4:17:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/29/2020 4:27:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt is going to take a leap forward for Armalite to be of interest to most people. |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 4:32:30 PM EDT
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AR16 - the AR18 was developed from it. Project I'm involved with....... https://i.imgur.com/0GwfLDi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MXhtsun.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a B. Gotta remember to buy one of spuds, receivers. Mine is set up with the sormworks hinge and folds. I'd buy another if they had a rail. My MI mount was shit and so no optic mounted on mine. It would be real simple to make a version that utilized AR barrels and hand guards. Steel or Aluminum lower. Ar mags. How about an AR18? That was 308 size right? That would rock. Project I'm involved with....... https://i.imgur.com/0GwfLDi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MXhtsun.jpg |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 4:43:01 PM EDT
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SORRY Armalite. Do not waste your time with your AR-180 project. Brownells beat you to the punch. It would be very hard to compete with this new Brownells release. https://i.imgur.com/BVDMwMGh.png |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 5:13:17 PM EDT
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I'd consider it if: -Stanag comparable -Upgraded and modernized build designed to take current AR market accessories, fcg, etc -$1000 or less otd But it won't, and will flop for those reasons. |
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