Multicam ftw

Please Multicam... that other thing looks like germans on crack created it.

I think that's the most likely part of the picture he'd be in, but I'm still unsure.

What I do know is if he was wearing ACU he'd stick out like a sore thumb.


See? I'm not alone. Nobody wants to face the prospect of wearing "Picasso Puke Camo."

I like multi cam but they should just adopt marpat with out the anchor.

And admit the Marines were right all along? Yeah, I can see that happening. Roughly about the same time the sun becomes a cold, dark chunk of coal the size of your forehead.

whats that new pattern AOR or AIOR just use that, pride should not stop american service men from getting the best uniform they can have.

What's with the green and black circles



 

Night Desert?

Multicam test in south Texas hill country. Notice my face, hands, and khaki 5.11 pants really stand out, but the Multicam jacket and OD green hat with BFL logo do not. I imagine that if the camera were further than thirty feet from me and I was clad entirely in Multicam, I would be very difficult to spot.

I can't wait until I can afford to get pants and a hat to go with my jacket so I have a complete set.

I'm looking to get a set from optactical.com.

What the heck, more Multicam porn! Anything to drive away the sight of that Digital Dogshit uniform.

As most know, I am NOT a fan of multicam, or any of the other pre-digital creations...



The ACU can be fixed with an overall light-brown dye, and an AR-670-1 prohibition on the use of bleach on both the uniform and the boots...



(The bleach reg is needed, because certain 'types' have decided that the proper appearance for ACUs is bleached-white)

All digital camo is about the same - the difference is the color pattern chosen...



The Army wants a universal pattern, which MARPAT is not...



But re-dyed (a more brownish light-grey, and a more green-ish dark grey) ACUs would be....





 

+1



Probably THE BEST camo out there



 

Didnt the Marines basically rip off the Canadians? Isn't is basically Cadpat?



 

I hope the DCU mess doesn't win, mostly because they'd likely be wearing that mess along with ACU body armour and pouches. Imagine what that looks like together,  dear God

CADPAT (woodland), MARPAT (woodland and desert), ACU and the new Navy pattern ALL use the exact same pattern; only the colors are different

I'm just the opposite.

I think that the ACU was designed by people more concerned with marketing a "unique" service-specific camo pattern than anything else. They were clearly not concerned at all with effective concealment, because the ACU looks like shit everywhere it goes. I asked a couple of the PEO Soldier people about this issue, and they looked very uncomfortable with my line of questioning, and never spoke to me again during the remainder of their time here at Camp Shelby.

Multicam is clearly influenced by some of the most effective camouflage patterns ever devised, i.e. the old Waffen-SS patterns. It has many of the same characteristics as the 1944 "dot pattern" uniform, mixed with a little of the Oak A and Oak B patterns, and it works MUCH better than anything ACU related. It's not THAT much more expensive than the ACU, and it's much more effective.

The ACU pattern and color scheme is an abortion, and no matter what you do to it, it's still a shitty camo pattern on a low-quality uniform.

Probably because you hit the nail on the head.

They wanted digicam like the Marines, but it couldn't look like the Marines' colors (which actually WORK), so they had to come up with a new look. Given ACU does not blend in with anything except in a very few places of uncommon colors, I'd say you're probably exactly right.

The Army can say "yes it does blend in!" as much as they want, but as long as the people they're trying to convince have eyes, it won't work.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse... they throw shit on the uniforms before shipping.

 

+1,000, MultiCam rocks.

Most of you realize that 2 dimensional photos really don't tell the full story and cannot be used as a yard stick for anything.  That is one reason photo analysts use 3d when they look for things.

What is this "Syria" pattern, which that charts ranks so close to Multi-Cam?

apparently its not actually used by Syria...

It's basically the german/BGS "watertan" camo that was developed in WW2:



http://strikehold.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/german-bgs-combat-jacket.jpg



Edit:  beaten

Camo photos here,

Natick Study

That supposedly beats UCP in woodland?

Some of them look like they're taking a piss.

I think the more greenish dark is critical, the UCP-D is part of the way there.

I still hold that if we take USMC Woodland, and replace the black with tan, we are 90% of the way there.  Maybe soften that green a tad, but only a tad.

have you seen UCP in the woods?

Seen it, I've worn it.

It sucks, but I honestly have never seen it looks as bad as these pics that are all over the net.  It must have something to do with camera flashes.

That guys body armor looks more accurate, those pants are severely faded and almost look bleached (sadly, so does a lot of issues ACU stuff).  The flame resistant uniforms are closer to what the pattern was supposed to be from the beginning.

i think that the main problem with UCP is that it was supposed to be tan/green/grey but with the shades they selected, all of the colors read as shades of grey.  and i'm sorry but 'foliage green' (the darkest color in the pattern) is nowhere near green.  if you look at the color properties in photoshop its comes up as a definite grey

QFT

1. why would most people know of your personal likes/dislikes?
2. what are these "types" you are talking about?  I haven't seen bleached ACUS.

That guy might as well be running around in gray sweats.

That one, and the infamous first introduction pictures are two of the worst.  Either picture should be plastered all over the workplace of the maroon who approved that pattern.

Compared to this:

All of those patterns look like .

Now with that out of the way, the decision should be based on how effective the pattern is in camouflaging our soldiers not on the opinion of 'The queer eye for the soldier guy'.

Look guys, the solution is simple. Ghillie suits for everyone!!








No, but they tell you a whole lot.. As such I've included a few pics
below - comparing MC with various other camo in the same frame, same
lighting, same setting, you be the judge.



Multicam on the left, AOR1 on the right:

AOR1 far right, Multicam second to last, ACU middle:




Desert MARPAT on the right:


AOR1 top left, MC bottom right, BDU/DCU middle:

 
 
 

Oh by the way, did I mention that MC is Ollie approved...

And that Bob Gates has had direct contact with MC equipped SF units...

In all seriousness though, there should be at least one major
motivating factor to adopt Multicam as an official uniform of the US
military, and that's to do it before anyone else does!
MC as a commercial camouflage is very widespread and already in use by UK SAS:

Polish GROM & police:

AND THE FUCKING RUSSIANS!!!








Really now, are we going to be beat by those commie bastards? I mean,
what would happen if a foreign country were to adopt Multicam as their
official uniform? Would we still use it? Alter it somehow? Or just be
forced to make something different? And no, keeping ACU isn't an option
either. The transition is happening, slowly but inevitably and there's
no question MC will be the Army's next camo pattern - so long as they
don't fuck it up again. Congress and the Army just need to get their
ass in gear and make it happen!




 

And I bet thats exactly why the US will not use it.



ETA I didnt see any commies in your pics.



 

I'd be interested in seeing the same basic multicam color balance, applied to the digital pattern.  I think they picked just the right shade of green, but may not have picked enough of it.

All this is academic, because the fucking dorks up at PEO Soldier have about as much business designing uniforms as my dog. They don't design anything up there in their little think tank that has any real-world applications. The only shit that they've come up with that actually works was all designed by somebody else.

Let's look at their track record so far when it comes to uniforms.

BDU- Workable, durable, well-designed uniform, even if a bit dated. Could at least be made to blend into a woodland environment with little effort. Worked as designed for 40 years. Easy to maintain and would not disintegrate after washing. I miss having buttons on my pockets.
DCU- Worked like a charm in the desert, comfortable but less durable than BDU. I miss having buttons on my pockets.
ACU- Sticks out like a diamond in a pig's ass in EVERY environment except a gravel parking lot or "that one special couch." Service life of six months, and may not even make it that long. The velcro is worthless, and disintegrates with every laundering, becoming a fuzzy, non-working abomination that makes the whole uniform look like it was purchased from a thrift store. The top tab at the neck NEVER stays done up, the crotch blows out, the fabric is not durable at all, the collar is ridiculous, the colors are unbelievably stupid and bleach out unless you use super-duper special laundry detergent approved for use with the ACU. The marketing of this uniform was a whirling maelstrom of bullshit, and we got stuck with a shitty uniform that doesn't do a single thing that it was designed to do except provide a "distinctive appearance" in commercials.

I hate, loathe and despise this uniform, and I wish they would get rid of it. Multicam, for all its perceived faults, is ten times better in every way than this "wrinkle resistant" clown suit that the HALO-playing retards at PEO Soldier foisted off on us.

No, no, no!   Airsoft adopts Army camo, not Army adopts airsoft camo!

They won't go with Multicam exactly because of everybody else wearing it.  They can waste billions with TARP, but they will cheap out on replacing all the UCP TA-50.

I agree with everything you just said.


In my last tour of Iraq I took 6 sets of ACUs with me.  Every single set had the pants destroyed in six months or less.  You couldn't put anything in the cargo pockets.

I can still remember when the 82nd started switching to ACUs.  Half the division had ACU, half had BDU.  0300 on the drop zone, guess which half you could see 400 meters away!?!


One interesting thing I discovered is that the ACUs work much better for concealment when they are filthy.   But, just try wearing a slightly dirty uniform anywhere on one of the mega FOBS after you have been out of the wire for 48 hours straight.  

Are you saying that ACU or BDU could be detected 400 yards away?


http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff166/ar15reloader/Picture020-2.jpg

Very interesting

These threads come up from time to time and I always enjoy them.  I would love to see the pics of the Multi-Cam and UCP-D in une in Asscrackistan.  I'm sure the Army will selectively release pics though to make the UCP-D look good and the Multi-Cam look bad.
Back when I was a bit more frivolous about spending my money, I acquired a number of ACU's and subjected them to dyeing.  The results were interesting, in fact even promising.  I will also point out that Canadian CadPat (which is in itself very good) is the same pattern as MarPat, which is also the same pattern of UCP.  The difference is in the colors used.  I have been saying for a while that the UCP 'pattern' is great, it's just the colors in the pattern that suck.
So here I'll post some of the pics I have taken of ACU's that I have dyed along with a number of other patterns I have collected over the years.
Below we have Top Row: Regular UCP, UCP with Tan Rit Dye, UCP with Tan and Brown Rit Dye.  Middle Row: UCP with Tan and Kelly Green (this uniform recieved several dye jobs and is very similar to the one next to it), UCP with Tan and Dark Green, Multi-Cam.  Bottom Row:  US Army Woodland - brand new Winter Weight, US 6-Color Desert, and Swiss 'Alpenflage'.  THese pics were taken at the end of October in Western NY State.






Same uniforms as above, just spread out and from different angles.


















The above with leaves scattered over them:


















The above patterns with a different layout.  Here I switched the bottom and middle rows.  These are taken with the uniforms on a bed of fallen leaves.


















As above, with leaves:


















Different background:












As above with scattered leaves over the uniforms:












This is a similar project I did earlier this summer in the June time frame.  Things were much greener then.  I used some different uniforms for the first photo shoot, and I regret not using all of them also in the second one.
Top Row: Faded Hot Weather BDUs', German Flek, US 6 Color Desert.  Middle Row: the same UCP's as before, UCP with Tan and Brown, Normal unaltered UCP, and UCP with Tan.  Bottom Row: US Night Desert, US OD Green, Swiss 'Alpenflage'.  






Same as above, but on my brownish gravel driveway.






Closeup of the ACU's.






Same location as the pics above:


















For the second set of pics I had not yet dyed some of the ACU's present in the first set, and I hadn't gotten the Multi-Cam yet either.
I understand that this is not the best way of showcasing a camo pattern with them being simply laid out on a plain colored background, but I still think the results are interesting.
Also, regarding MarPat - which inevitably comes up in any ACU thread, The patern we now know as MarPat wasn't the 'most effective' in their tests either.  They originally decided to go with a 'Tiger Stripe' kind of pattern, but they decided to go with the digital uniform for 'aesthetic reasons' - just as the Army did in choosing UCP over the Desert All Over Brush that actually won their competition.  In this case I don't mind though, because it's still a kick ass pattern.







ETA:  An article regarding the USMC MarPat research that discuses the tiger stripe variation.


http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/mcub/utility/background/CammieConsid.htm
-K