I remember that.  They would say all of our equipment will lock up.

Lock up how?

It will lock up!  All our soldiers will die!

So tired of the Army uniform games.  I am stationed in Alaska so we are obviously focused on cold weather gear.  The ECWCS isn't bad; but when I compare the weight/warmth/water repelling capabilities of my KUIU brand hunting clothing to my issued cold weather clothing it is not even funny.  The KUIU is so much warmer, so much lighter, and more comfortable across a wide range of temperatures.  It isn't baggy, it has useful pockets in useful places, and packs down to a fraction of the size.

Mmmmmm.

Something about NK.

I remember that BS.

Didn't take the .mil to prove that was wrong, in fact, it occurred to me that it might have been an intentional disinformation campaign. Of course since the MSM then, as now, is anti American, the .mil would have had to fool the MSM, which ain't too tough!

I can tell you a brand new set of old school rip stop BDU’s
will only last a few weeks in the Panama jungle. After that the first thing that goes is the crotch then the ass and the knees follow.

When you get back to shower the funk off you the BDU’s rot off you. The guys used to say the jungle rots and melts them at the same time.

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

But the fire will cause it to dry much faster though.

Excellent, must be an R in the month...too soon for another round of Carbine testing.... and we already have a rd going for the Dress uniform... we just got a new pistol and APFT uniform, so naturally, it's time for another rd of taxpayer funded  Battledress Uniform.... testing

You just can't make this shit up....

Sadly this. Apparently nothing has been learned yet again.

Clothes wet from sweat are fire retardant, to an extent.

That was an awesome podcast. The general consensus seemed to be get Vietnam gear. Vietnam jungle boots and OD green jungle uniform. Throw away armor, chest rigs, etc and just use Vietnam era belt/suspenders. Throw away optics, rails, etc amd run an m4 with a carry handle and round handguards.

Or forced to wear them while performing "actual" soldier duties...

Lol, the jungle pines of Kahuku. I think I still have stuff with that red mud on it. Big ass centipedes everywhere.

Memories.

... so they get their six-figure Board of Directors jobs?

yep

I thought the same thing

it's max headroom
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Living in the closest thing that CONUS has to a genuine no-shit jungle, I can attest that old school Altama swamp stompers and tigerstripe camo work wonderfully in that environment.

Pattern looks too brown for a jungle.

That's some Bad Bush...  (or so they say...)

We did a month down in Panama with a Jungle Operations Training Center rotation attached to 2/75 Ranger Bn back in 1997.

It was a lot of fun for us, but it was a suckfest for the hooahs.

100% ripstop BDUs are nice, but wear off really fast with the rain and hard use.

50/50 NYCO holds up well, but it's hotter.

I actually wore Tigerstripe for most of that deployment, other than when we were in admin mode at Fort Sherman and had to be in BDUs, but we had relaxed uniform with BDU bottoms, jungles, brown T-shirts, PCs, and Camelbaks.

Most of the time we were in the jungle doing ambushes, site security for simulated weapons/drug caches, or OPFOR in MOUT.

In the summer in the Arctic, the conditions are similar, with tons of humidity, more mosquitoes, but none of the exotic plant and animal life you have around the equator.  Panama had some interesting animal life for sure, between bats, gators, and howler monkeys.

There is a natural fiber that comes from a particular wood that is extremely fire-resistant.  If you burn even one of the small fibers, it looks like a tungsten filament in a lightbulb when brought into contact with direct flame.

I would use that with an engineered fabric microscopic structure designed to shed heat and support evaporation.

Working in the jungle isn't that terribly worse than deciduous woods in high humidity, but does have some plant life and precipitation cycles that are unusual.

Black palm, sharp leaves in other PACOM, SOUTHCOM, and AFRICOM regions and daily rain make it more difficult to conduct dismounted operations, but we've done it before.  We do need at least one JOTC in the tropics to replace Fort Sherman.  Hawaii is not a good representation of that.

Maybe a joint-UK training center could be established with their place in Belize.

Biggest problem we have in our culture is that some type of new product or gadget can solve our challenges, when training is more important.

Incompetent, lazy, push-button solutions desired by chairborne leadership isn't compatible with that train of thought, so we'll waste the money on tons of new gear and spend more time issuing it, inventorying it, inspecting it, cleaning it, filling out hazardous waste environmental impact reports for it when Joe throws a BA-5390 into the Company area dumpster.

You live in my back yard?

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I don't think I would do well in the jungle. I remember some very long walks through the woods in GA and NC at night, seeing lots of horrible-alien-spider-bugs all night long, but never seeing the same species more than once.

The Norks got their stuff all figured out.

Not sure, but I can definitely ID the race. #triggered

Pattern sucks... bring back tiger stripes..

The French have a great Jungle school in French Guyana and do exchange training with other nations. I wonder if the Army could work out a deal with them?  It is a shame that we no longer have Sherman.

The southern U.S.

Slant pocket jungle fatigues were the best jungle fatigues.

Tri Gendered Pyro-Fox

This

But you also left out the Panama channel after Valenzuela takes over it

JESUS CHRIST!!!! Just buy them some VERTX, Under armour, and a pair of Solomon boots.  And call it a fucking day. Then tip your hat as you save the tax payers billions in "Research and development"