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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:31:25 PM EDT
The only control that a pilot has is to fully raise and lower the hook, correct?
That is, there is no 'control' of the hook that is used to try and catch a wire. The arresting hook is lowered and either it catches a wire or it doesn't. This is what I think, a guy at work thought otherwise. (ie that a pilot can control the hook to try and catch the wire) I disagreed strongly, but the fact is that I have spent as much time flying jets off of aircraft carriers as he has. 
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:33:02 PM EDT
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it's either up or down, nothing else
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:33:40 PM EDT
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They use magnets to raise and lower the hook so it only catches the 3 wire on Tuesdays.
Eta: once upon a time a long time ago I saw that schematic and did some trouble shooting on Marine F-4 and A-4's. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:34:33 PM EDT
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:34:37 PM EDT
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it's either up or down, nothing else FPNI |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:34:58 PM EDT
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They use magnets to raise and lower the hook so it only catches the 3 wire on Tuesdays. Just don't know why they make a big deal of catching the first wire? Good pilots I say. 
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:35:02 PM EDT
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They use magnets to raise and lower the hook so it only catches the 3 wire on Tuesdays. Bullshit. I know for a fact they don't fly on Tuesdays. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:35:03 PM EDT
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They use magnets to raise and lower the hook so it only catches the 3 wire on Tuesdays. Third Wire Thursdays!! Two Wire Tuesdays. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:35:15 PM EDT
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it's either up or down, nothing else As a Phormer Phabulous Phantom Phixer I can confirm this is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:36:49 PM EDT
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. No, the control for the landing gear is separate from the hook. When you see Navy jets land on runway the hook is not down. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:37:07 PM EDT
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:38:08 PM EDT
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Bullshit. I know for a fact they don't fly on Tuesdays. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They use magnets to raise and lower the hook so it only catches the 3 wire on Tuesdays. Bullshit. I know for a fact they don't fly on Tuesdays. But over in the Gulf it's Wednesday already.....It's technical. 
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:38:41 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted?
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:39:14 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? They firewall it to go around I think. That's why you hear the motors go full gas as he catches a hook ........... just in case he doesn't catch the hook. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:39:32 PM EDT
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Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:41:09 PM EDT
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That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. Scraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaape |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:41:23 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? They will go full power, hook engaged or not. Just in case. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:41:30 PM EDT
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That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. It's been done lots of time during bad weather or a possible equipment issue. This is why even Air Force aircraft have tailhooks, albeit much less heavy duty than Navy types. ETA: Most military airfields have Morst gear for this very reason. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:41:31 PM EDT
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The pilot controls the hook by flying the airplane.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:41:32 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? When they land, they push the throttle all the way open and only shut down when they know they've caught the wire and have stopped. If they fail to catch a wire, it's called a "bolter" and they take-off, go around, and try again. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:42:48 PM EDT
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They firewall it to go around I think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? They firewall it to go around I think. Yes they hit the deck with enough power to keep flying if they miss or something happens. Jets spool up too slow to not do this. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:43:06 PM EDT
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They firewall it to go around I think. That's why you hear the motors go full gas as he catches a hook ........... just in case he doesn't catch the hook. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? They firewall it to go around I think. That's why you hear the motors go full gas as he catches a hook ........... just in case he doesn't catch the hook. Yep. Not only does the wire stop the jet, it does so with the jet at full power, afterburner off. Pretty amazing stuff. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:43:18 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Don't they go full power when they hit the deck? Edt. Beat. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:43:34 PM EDT
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That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. It would be like one of those jet skis that shoots up big plumes of water behind it. Only in place of a jet ski, you would just have a jet. And instead of water, you would have sparks, and chunks of tarmac. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:44:07 PM EDT
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The pilot controls the hook by flying the airplane. Funny, that's exactly what I said to him. The pilot puts the airplane where the wire is. That's the only control he has. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:44:23 PM EDT
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The pilot controls the hook by flying aviating the airplane. FIFY.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:44:38 PM EDT
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That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. My field had Grumman on it. They had long shot of heavy anchor chain laid out on the sides of the runway. In an emergency no brake landing I suppose they strung a arresting cable on the ends of the chain across runway, viola arresting gear. Sadly never seen it used. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:46:28 PM EDT
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F-15 catching Morst gear with tailhook.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:47:50 PM EDT
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. Except for when only the hook is down.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:52:40 PM EDT
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I think they try to flatten out the gear on each trap. :) so the hook is pointed downward before striking the deck then the hook gets dragged along in horizontal position while the gear tries to figure out what the fuck just happened.?
also if they bolter?..there's a big pile of pillows at the front of carrier for the plane to roll into/on. 2 beer bounce |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 4:59:57 PM EDT
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That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. there are airfields with arresting wires - Goodyear AZ, for example. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:11:31 PM EDT
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Sometimes the tail hook is actually dragged across the deck until it contacts a wire. Some times it bounces as it hits the deck. This is mitigated some by the tailhook acutator keeping postive downwared force on he hook. There is always a shower of sparks, mostly visable on a night trap of course. The tail hook point wears dur to this and must undergo periodic inspecetion and replacement at 10 traps. The tail hook can swivel side to side some also. Carrier aviaation is the cats meow! I miss it greatly.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:15:09 PM EDT
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Scraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaape Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. That would be quite a site to watch a f-18 land on Tarmac with the hook down. Scraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaape I've seen. Lost his brakes had to catch the chains. Very "Interesting" looking.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:16:19 PM EDT
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Like so...
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:18:33 PM EDT
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Gratuitous Gulf war Tomcat shot
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:21:02 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure 
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:24:48 PM EDT
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one?
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:25:03 PM EDT
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As a Phormer Phabulous Phantom Phixer I can confirm this is the correct answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's either up or down, nothing else As a Phormer Phabulous Phantom Phixer I can confirm this is the correct answer. Phlamboyant!
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:26:14 PM EDT
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Not on E2-C2's......there is a separate solenoid that lowers the arresting hook, and it is held down with nitrogen pressure of approximately 800 PSI to prevent hook skip. The hook can be lowered manually without hydraulic assist, but cannot be raised without hydraulic power. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:26:40 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure  https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94the landing gear had to get wet on that one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:26:59 PM EDT
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. Except for when only the hook is down.
http://i.imgur.com/R20KLaU.jpg lol, horny plane? |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:27:48 PM EDT
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Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. Incorrect, to a point at least. Military runways have arresting gear. Ever notice the tail hook on an F-15 or F-16? It is there so that the pilot can bring a plane down safely that has a malfunction with the brakes or other issues that may prevent stopping the jet. Sometimes there are three wires, the approach end, the mid and the departure end. It can also be used if a jet, for whatever reason, cannot get airborne but cannot stop safely before running out of runway. 
Of course, the Navy also trains Naval Aviators (to include Marine pilots) on arrested landings at shore stations. The wires will be set up to simulate a carrier deck. They too have mid and departure end wires for the reasons stated above. Very wet runways are also hard to stop on, so an arrested landing is sometimes all that stands between re-using the jet tomorrow or sending it into the body and fender shop. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:28:46 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94That's why the pilots keep the engine power fire walled until they are stopped.....they were lucky for sure on this! |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:29:55 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted? Wire failure https://youtu.be/r-EHwYOfY94We had a USMC captain bolt so many times that when he caught the wire the bolt holding the shoe shot of and hit the conning tower. We actually heard it during flight ops. Needless to say he was given a large dose of feces for his landing ability. 
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:31:05 PM EDT
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Incorrect, to a point at least. Military runways have arresting gear. Ever notice the tail hook on an F-15 or F-16? It is there so that the pilot can bring a plane down safely that has a malfunction with the brakes or other issues that may prevent stopping the jet. Sometimes there are three wires, the approach end, the mid and the departure end. It can also be used if a jet, for whatever reason, cannot get airborne but cannot stop safely before running out of runway. http://www.120thairliftwing.ang.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/120304-Z-UJ603-075.JPG Of course, the Navy also trains Naval Aviators (to include Marine pilots) on arrested landings at shore stations. The wires will be set up to simulate a carrier deck. They too have mid and departure end wires for the reasons stated above. Very wet runways are also hard to stop on, so an arrested landing is sometimes all that stands between re-using the jet tomorrow or sending it into the body and fender shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. Incorrect, to a point at least. Military runways have arresting gear. Ever notice the tail hook on an F-15 or F-16? It is there so that the pilot can bring a plane down safely that has a malfunction with the brakes or other issues that may prevent stopping the jet. Sometimes there are three wires, the approach end, the mid and the departure end. It can also be used if a jet, for whatever reason, cannot get airborne but cannot stop safely before running out of runway. http://www.120thairliftwing.ang.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/120304-Z-UJ603-075.JPG Of course, the Navy also trains Naval Aviators (to include Marine pilots) on arrested landings at shore stations. The wires will be set up to simulate a carrier deck. They too have mid and departure end wires for the reasons stated above. Very wet runways are also hard to stop on, so an arrested landing is sometimes all that stands between re-using the jet tomorrow or sending it into the body and fender shop. If you had actually read the whole thread you would see my comments on this and the pic of an F-15 catching a rigged Morst gear. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:34:28 PM EDT
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Incorrect, to a point at least. Military runways have arresting gear. Ever notice the tail hook on an F-15 or F-16? It is there so that the pilot can bring a plane down safely that has a malfunction with the brakes or other issues that may prevent stopping the jet. Sometimes there are three wires, the approach end, the mid and the departure end. It can also be used if a jet, for whatever reason, cannot get airborne but cannot stop safely before running out of runway. http://www.120thairliftwing.ang.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/120304-Z-UJ603-075.JPG Of course, the Navy also trains Naval Aviators (to include Marine pilots) on arrested landings at shore stations. The wires will be set up to simulate a carrier deck. They too have mid and departure end wires for the reasons stated above. Very wet runways are also hard to stop on, so an arrested landing is sometimes all that stands between re-using the jet tomorrow or sending it into the body and fender shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Nope, tailhook can be operated independently of the gear. An F-18 landing at an airfield doesn't need or use the tailhook. Incorrect, to a point at least. Military runways have arresting gear. Ever notice the tail hook on an F-15 or F-16? It is there so that the pilot can bring a plane down safely that has a malfunction with the brakes or other issues that may prevent stopping the jet. Sometimes there are three wires, the approach end, the mid and the departure end. It can also be used if a jet, for whatever reason, cannot get airborne but cannot stop safely before running out of runway. http://www.120thairliftwing.ang.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/120304-Z-UJ603-075.JPG Of course, the Navy also trains Naval Aviators (to include Marine pilots) on arrested landings at shore stations. The wires will be set up to simulate a carrier deck. They too have mid and departure end wires for the reasons stated above. Very wet runways are also hard to stop on, so an arrested landing is sometimes all that stands between re-using the jet tomorrow or sending it into the body and fender shop. No and no....Pilots training for CQ's or carrier qualifications practice FCLP or field carrier landing practice where they perform touch and go landings for their ball flying. The only reason a Naval Aviator would purposefully take a field arrestment, is if there was an emergency like single engine or landing gear malfunction. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:39:29 PM EDT
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. Except for when only the hook is down.
http://i.imgur.com/R20KLaU.jpg I saw the skull and crossbones and had to scroll up to make sure it was Whamo. "Splash the Zeroes!" 
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:43:43 PM EDT
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If the hook or wire fails will the plane stop in time or is the landing aborted?
ETA: Beat 
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:46:00 PM EDT
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As a Phormer Phabulous Phantom Phixer I can confirm this is the correct answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's either up or down, nothing else As a Phormer Phabulous Phantom Phixer I can confirm this is the correct answer. Except when the aircraft get old they only go half-way up. 
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:57:00 PM EDT
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how thick is the hook, what's it made of, and how many bolts hold it to the airframe. it has got to see a shit load of g's. I'm curious how long they last? any one have a close up photo of one? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It's held on by one bolt. Replaced every 10 traps or sooner if the wear indicator shows it needs to be replaced. I have one somewhere, I'll see if I can find it. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:57:55 PM EDT
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Not on E2-C2's......there is a separate solenoid that lowers the arresting hook, and it is held down with nitrogen pressure of approximately 800 PSI to prevent hook skip. The hook can be lowered manually without hydraulic assist, but cannot be raised without hydraulic power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the gear is down, the hook is down. The pilot tries to hit the third wire, but a hook is a hook. Not on E2-C2's......there is a separate solenoid that lowers the arresting hook, and it is held down with nitrogen pressure of approximately 800 PSI to prevent hook skip. The hook can be lowered manually without hydraulic assist, but cannot be raised without hydraulic power. That's exactly how it works on a Hornet too. |
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