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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:40:37 AM EDT
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Not everything has to be an AR-15 or even a Whizbang Tacticool M4orgy.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:41:55 AM EDT
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The question is not why would you buy that rifle, but what does that rifle do at 4X the cost of a new AR? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:43:14 AM EDT
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they are doing it wrong. they need to make these again.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:44:23 AM EDT
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https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/imce-images/guns_2028theterminator.jpg I'd pay a grand for one a these if it was sweet.. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:18:08 AM EDT
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Honestly, a better rifle than the AR is the Daewoo K2C. The modernized 'Woo. All the ergos and features of a modern AR. But even more awesome. Legit ability to have a folding stock and a long stroke gas piston. http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/09292017.jpg My original 'Woo K2 puts its period competitors to shame. A Colt SP1 or a A2 rifle just don't have the features that the K2 does. The ROK really learned from when they made M16A1s and what would be better. As for the T2, it was to be the AR-18 in its best form as Stoner originally intended. Cheap and easy for period large scale manufacturer when human labor was cheap and machining was expensive. All the kinks of the AR-18 were worked out. But by then, the T2 was on the tail end of that era. The AUG was truly advanced. But the T2 is the West's answer to AKM. It was simply introduced ten years too late. But for all of its quirks and issues. They're cool rifles. They're of a bygone era and a different mindset. I want one just for that reason. Hell, my Ruger Mini-14 GB is still in a wooden stock. It is still a fun rifle to own. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:19:25 AM EDT
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Why would I want that?
How would I put an optic on it? |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:20:36 AM EDT
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My God some of you are painfully obtuse.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:22:07 AM EDT
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Armalite tried, no one besides like 5 of us on the AR-180 subfrom wanted them. Then they did whatever shake up happend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would rather have AR180, if we're just bring old guns back 
Hopefully on this version the mag seats where it is suppose to rather than traveling so far up the bolt hits the back of the mag 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:30:40 AM EDT
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My God some of you are painfully obtuse. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:32:45 AM EDT
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Plastic lower otherwise I would have bought an original copy...that would have been awesome...make 'em in Costa Mesa too while you are at it...
Hopefully on this version the mag seats where it is suppose to rather than traveling so far up the bolt hits the back of the mag Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would rather have AR180, if we're just bring old guns back
Hopefully on this version the mag seats where it is suppose to rather than traveling so far up the bolt hits the back of the mag |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:33:27 AM EDT
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Yes they are Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My God some of you are painfully obtuse. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:38:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they can't understand why anyone would spend $1200 for a $400 rifle. 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:43:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully on this version the mag seats where it is suppose to rather than traveling so far up the bolt hits the back of the mag |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:48:47 AM EDT
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I saw that and thought "why?" Now for sale again, but with an MSRP $1250! No one can be that stupid, can they? |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:52:32 AM EDT
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Not everything has to be an AR-15 or even a Whizbang Tacticool M4orgy. https://i.imgur.com/fUGkfUW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cXgl6wB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9D09a0r.jpg 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:55:24 AM EDT
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Based on typical GD logic, no 5.56 rifles over $1000 are worth buying because they don't do anything better than an AR-15.
There is no "need" for any of them. SCAR Bren SIG 556 Galil etc, etc............. If I followed this (lack of) logic, we never would have developed our Retro AR product line. I have an SAP pistol and with full power 5.56 ammo it is accurate and reliable. Wolf won't cycle the action sometimes. Now I can get its big brother and that makes me happy. 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 10:08:26 AM EDT
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I like obscure interesting rifles. And I wonder if buying one of these would annoy Australian anti-gun activists.
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So how much do you spend on those obsolete M1s that were $50 rifles in 1939? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Because they can't understand why anyone would spend $1200 for a $400 rifle. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 10:13:18 AM EDT
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There are guys on this forum who spend thousands reproducing some obscure variation of AR-15 from the early '60s that is barely diffent than the other obscure ARs from that era. The same guys have better modern guns to shoot, they just like old oddball gun history.
The maker will sell 250 of the Leader rifles. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 10:48:36 AM EDT
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There are guys on this forum who spend thousands reproducing some obscure variation of AR-15 from the early '60s that is barely diffent than the other obscure ARs from that era. The same guys have better modern guns to shoot, they just like old oddball gun history. The maker will sell 250 of the Leader rifles. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 10:52:18 AM EDT
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Yeah not really a comparison to some hot mess of a rifle that the nobody military wanted, had no civilian sales and looks like I made it in my garage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not everything has to be an AR-15 or even a Whizbang Tacticool M4orgy. https://i.imgur.com/fUGkfUW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cXgl6wB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9D09a0r.jpg |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 10:55:19 AM EDT
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Sweet, want it bad. Bought one the Masterpiece Arms clones that was a complete turd... The MPA MPAR gen 1 was almost an exact copy of the T2 save the handguard. I messed with the gen 2 version . . . still cracks me up that "Gun Jesus" complained my muzzle brake worked too well. 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:04:13 AM EDT
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Yes they are Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My God some of you are painfully obtuse. Here's another that did not do well in the marketplace... 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:05:45 AM EDT
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OMG, it's soooo ugly. And costs more than a PSA AR. The HORROR.
 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:06:15 AM EDT
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That's ugly as fuck.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:08:56 AM EDT
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I had forgotten about that rifle...…….cool they will start making it here.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:09:36 AM EDT
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They didn't get good reviews back in the OG days. Sure, if you like novelty. Poorly engineered and manufactured novelty. Free marketplace dictates success or failure. Here's another that did not do well in the marketplace... http://oldsteelguns.com/10611-tm_thickbox_default/very-rare-original-bushmaster-assault-rifle.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My God some of you are painfully obtuse. Here's another that did not do well in the marketplace... http://oldsteelguns.com/10611-tm_thickbox_default/very-rare-original-bushmaster-assault-rifle.jpg 
Out of that era. Only the AR-15 and Mini-14 were hugely successful and the AUG, Galil, and HK93 were somewhat successful. Folks pay top dollar for AR-180s and HAC-7s. Not all collectables are reliable and well made. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:10:35 AM EDT
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Based on typical GD logic, no 5.56 rifles over $1000 are worth buying because they don't do anything better than an AR-15. There is no "need" for any of them. SCAR Bren SIG 556 Galil etc, etc............. If I followed this (lack of) logic, we never would have developed our Retro AR product line. I have an SAP pistol and with full power 5.56 ammo it is accurate and reliable. Wolf won't cycle the action sometimes. Now I can get its big brother and that makes me happy. 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:11:38 AM EDT
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OMG, it's soooo ugly. And costs more than a PSA AR. The HORROR. http://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/assault/as45/sig_sg510-4.jpg http://www.natuxo.com/assets/frontoffice/annonces/a-vendre-famas-f1-semi-auto.jpg http://foxfirearms.com/2095/cz-805-bren-carbine-556.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/b5/9a/b2b59af560b050ce826455064f6500b7.jpg 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:23:08 AM EDT
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The Armalite AR-180 didn't do well either and had issues. Folks go nuts for them. Also the Holloway Arms HAC-7 bombed. https://i.embed.ly/1/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpKpxcNJ.jpg%3Ffb&key=b1e305db91cf4aa5a86b732cc9fffceb Out of that era. Only the AR-15 and Mini-14 were hugely successful and the AUG, Galil, and HK93 were somewhat successful. Folks pay top dollar for AR-180s and HAC-7s. Not all collectables are reliable and well made. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My God some of you are painfully obtuse. Here's another that did not do well in the marketplace... http://oldsteelguns.com/10611-tm_thickbox_default/very-rare-original-bushmaster-assault-rifle.jpg https://i.embed.ly/1/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpKpxcNJ.jpg%3Ffb&key=b1e305db91cf4aa5a86b732cc9fffceb Out of that era. Only the AR-15 and Mini-14 were hugely successful and the AUG, Galil, and HK93 were somewhat successful. Folks pay top dollar for AR-180s and HAC-7s. Not all collectables are reliable and well made. I can see buying an orginal one but not a copy of a failed design. ETA: ok. I might be confusing Holloway with the Williams Arms Co. Aluminum FN- FAL upper receiver. But there would be another copy of a collectable for ya! Free market yay!!! |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:23:53 AM EDT
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Ew
Pass |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:26:13 AM EDT
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ITT we learn who the people are that don't understand firearms collecting. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:32:46 AM EDT
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The Armalite AR-180 didn't do well either and had issues. Folks go nuts for them. Also the Holloway Arms HAC-7 bombed. https://i.embed.ly/1/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpKpxcNJ.jpg%3Ffb&key=b1e305db91cf4aa5a86b732cc9fffceb Out of that era. Only the AR-15 and Mini-14 were hugely successful and the AUG, Galil, and HK93 were somewhat successful. Folks pay top dollar for AR-180s and HAC-7s. Not all collectables are reliable and well made. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:38:53 AM EDT
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they were junk when they first came out |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:42:23 AM EDT
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I want to believe.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:43:45 AM EDT
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MSRP $1250....when an AR can be put together for $500 Variety is the spice of life. I never understood why that goes out the window when it comes to guns..... >New (or "new") gun >Y u no get a $500 AR >I already have a bunch of $500 ARs >Y u no get another $500 AR >Because it's different >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Or my personal favorite >I want a new pistol >G19 >I already have 3 G19s >Get a 4th G19 >No >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:44:19 AM EDT
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I swear someone could bring a FG 42 to market and you people would bitch that mounting optics was too difficult and it wasn't in 6.5 Creedmoor.
Frankly, I'm ecstatic that a company decided to tool up for something besides an AR variant. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:48:01 AM EDT
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I think it's awesome. Bring back all the things!
I'd buy one just because it's not another boring AR. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:49:13 AM EDT
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Good for them,
Now what will it do better than my AR? |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:52:22 AM EDT
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Good for them, Now what will it do better than my AR? |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 11:57:45 AM EDT
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Pretty much this. I remember a review Chuck Taylor did in the old SWAT magazine when they first came out. It was a pretty huge POS. We tried to lay out an AR-15 retrofit using a tri-lug bolt but since the rotation is greater, you couldn't fit it in the notch in the upper. I guess you could always make that particular side smaller but there were some packaging concerns elsewhere from what I remember . . . it's been 3-4 years since looking at it |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:03:39 PM EDT
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Not everything has to be an AR-15 or even a Whizbang Tacticool M4orgy. https://i.imgur.com/fUGkfUW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cXgl6wB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9D09a0r.jpg All my nifty ones are gone in the Great Sell-off of 2018. I plopped $100k down on the mortgage last week, though.  Wish I had a fence for photos.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:08:44 PM EDT
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I have several ARs would like different things. That's why I have Sig 556 and X95. Hope to get a Bren.
I still would like an AR 180 over this. It looks nicer. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:11:00 PM EDT
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Sort of don't want
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:16:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aimed straight at the collector market. Those first 250 will be all you ever see. Most will never leave the box but just be sold from collector to collector. Quote HistoryQuoted: Aimed straight at the collector market. Those first 250 will be all you ever see. Most will never leave the box but just be sold from collector to collector. Quoted: Not everything has to be an AR-15 or even a Whizbang Tacticool M4orgy. https://i.imgur.com/fUGkfUW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cXgl6wB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9D09a0r.jpg |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:19:09 PM EDT
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I swear someone could bring a FG 42 to market and you people would bitch that mounting optics was too difficult and it wasn't in 6.5 Creedmoor. Frankly, I'm ecstatic that a company decided to tool up for something besides an AR variant. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:26:15 PM EDT
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I swear someone could bring a FG 42 to market and you people would bitch that mounting optics was too difficult and it wasn't in 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm sure someone bitched about the WWII optics base.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:26:48 PM EDT
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Someday you'll be the last man with a gasoline car, milling replacement parts in your garage, an iconoclast sneering and fast, new, ultra reliable electric cars which are no match for the final gasser, a lovingly restored Yugo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Posted By Madcap72:
Do you REALLY think the people in the market for obscure guns overlap with people who buy bargain basement el cheapo AR's, and will not do so ONLY because you can get shit tier guns cheap? That false dichotomy is silly. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:31:52 PM EDT
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I cant understand how a cheaply made stamped steel firearm will sell for that kind of money. Stamped guns are intended to be made in very high quantities, justifying the cost of the tooling. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:41:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:. It's only cheaply made if you make many thousands of them. As madcap72 explained, tooling is expensive. Stamped guns are intended to be made in very high quantities, justifying the cost of the tooling. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:47:30 PM EDT
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they are doing it wrong. they need to make these again. https://pictures.gunauction.com/287213010/12466395/TAZ%20(2).JPG |
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