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Quoted: You have no concept of span of control. He said he got his girlfriend on board. Reading the situation the father will not go along. But you have to be able to read the situation to understand that it's beyond his span of control. You don't understand any of this it seems. Enjoy daydreaming about unicorn farts. Our strategy for success can only begin with you (me, all of us), it must not end with us. You’re the one day dreaming if you think this conversation is over for the OP. Imagine for a moment that this experience for the OP will extend beyond the boundaries of this thread. Because in some form or another this guy is going to be in OPs life for as long as his kid shall live. Accepting that this situation does not just disappear for the OP with this thread. Does it seem the logical and rightful choice for the OP to write the kids grandfather off, which will surely become a burden for his gf, his kids, himself, all of their relationships and those of anyone else involved?. Or, more appropriately (seemingly to me at least), he could conduct himself in a decent manner towards the grandfather, which would not only serve his family better, but also contains leverage in and of it self by not vindicating the grandfathers wrongful predisposition. A critical component for the OP to the logical continued conversation towards enlightenment of the grandfather , because make no mistake, this conversation is just getting started for the OP. Not to mention displaying himself as a solid father figure and role model for his kids, and would promote critical thinking, open dialect with those of differing opinions, and most importantly, maintains the core family principals and values our society so desperately needs. Or just burn the kids family down because daddy and grandpa don’t agree at a glance on guns. |
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You all need to brush up on psychology. All of your advice makes OP the bad guy. He needs to think through a plan to make GF's dad the bad guy. Something along the lines of not saying a word about it to GF. Next time they go over to visit, OP stays outside. GF shocked, asked what is wrong. OP says he was told he wasn't welcome. OP tells GF to have her dad explain. Make them fight it out. |
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Quoted:  concealed means concealed. I'm not going to disarm myself just cause some liberal retard feels uncomfortable around guns. |
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Quoted: Went over to my girlfriends parents house tonight. My oldest son (7. from a previous marriage) and I dropped off my youngest (2) at their house since he's staying the night. My girlfriend was sent to the ER last night and had to have her gallbladder removed. She also has a good size stone that needs to be removed that they couldn't get today. She goes back in for surgery tomorrow to get the stone removed. My parents are taking my oldest back to meet his mom in the Seattle area tomorrow so I can head to the hospital. So, sitting on the couch at my gf's parents I hear her dad mumble "jesus christ". Wasn't sure what it was about but whatever. Told everyone that I needed to get going and stood up and picked up my two year old to give him a hug and kiss goodbye. Girlfriends dad, a man who never says a word to anyone hardly, says; Gf Dad: "David, do you have a gun on you?" Me: "Yes I do." Gfs Dad: "Don't ever bring a gun in to my house again." Me: "Ok. Didn't think it was an issue but I will respect your wishes." Gfs Dad: "I just don't want that in my house." I wasn't really sure what to say. Caught me off guard, but the way he said it in front of every one, really pissed me off. Especially in front of my seven year old (he knows I carry). Girlfriends mom and sister were there as well. I left shortly after. My son and I get into the car and he says "dad, that was awkward". Yes, yes it was... He knows I carry. Knows I have guns in the house and has never said anything about it. I don't outer carry and always make sure my shirt is covering. I was carrying a P365 so nothing huge and barely notice. Just left me with an uneasy feeling. I know, CSB. 1) Concealed means concealed. You failed. Don't fail. 2) Fuck him. You can respect his wishes; but you should've added the caveat: "Sorry, sir...but my life and those of my wife and children are far more important than your narrow-minded brand of politics." |
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Quoted: so the answer is hide? I may get red flagged? that idea is what the anti gunners want, slowly go away, cower, be scared. I guess it depends on where or what region you are from. I was @ a funeral yesterday. guess how many were open carrying? there were a few, more were tucked. and nobody cared. its the same thing @ stores and other public places. common. and its not a rural area. people that are afraid to exercise a right are NOT helpful. you know a right not exercised is a right lost? that idea. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, actively promoting and working toward a firearm friendly society is a shit idea. I don't know what I was thinking. Just go back to doing the boomer thing, OP. Continue being silent about gun ownership so non owners continue to believe we are far and few between. And if you're identified as a gun owner, be sure the act brash and irrationally to justify their current stereotypical beliefs. Because your advice will get him red flagged these days. ETA: I'm a gen x'er and your advice is terrible and not thought out. You will get somebody locked up or defenseless if you keep it up and somebody actually believes your nonsense. so the answer is hide? I may get red flagged? that idea is what the anti gunners want, slowly go away, cower, be scared. I guess it depends on where or what region you are from. I was @ a funeral yesterday. guess how many were open carrying? there were a few, more were tucked. and nobody cared. its the same thing @ stores and other public places. common. and its not a rural area. people that are afraid to exercise a right are NOT helpful. you know a right not exercised is a right lost? that idea. It is an optional event to go to the guys house. It is not a public space. Your point is pointless. Not to mention IT IS HIS HOUSE, NOT A PUBLIC SPACE. I would absolutely listen to a homeowner. No I will not go to your house as my gun is an extension of me. I don't go places without it. Not shopping places, not park places, etc. But I live in Texas and may be sheltered I just don't know folks like this. He seems to have done a really good job with the GF as she likes it when he carries. Moving on... |
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Quoted: Our strategy for success can only begin with you (me, all of us), it must not end with us. You're the one day dreaming if you think this conversation is over for the OP. Imagine for a moment that this experience for the OP will extend beyond the boundaries of this thread. Because in some form or another this guy is going to be in OPs life for as long as his kid shall live. Accepting that this situation does not just disappear for the OP with this thread. Does it seem the logical and rightful choice for the OP to write the kids grandfather off, which will surely become a burden for his gf, his kids, himself, all of their relationships and those of anyone else involved?. Or, more appropriately (seemingly to me at least), he could conduct himself in a decent manner towards the grandfather, which would not only serve his family better, but also contains leverage in and of it self by not vindicating the grandfathers wrongful predisposition. A critical component for the OP to the logical continued conversation towards enlightenment of the grandfather , because make no mistake, this conversation is just getting started for the OP. Not to mention displaying himself as a solid father figure and role model for his kids, and would promote critical thinking, open dialect with those of differing opinions, and most importantly, maintains the core family principals and values our society so desperately needs. Or just burn the kids family down because daddy and grandpa don't agree at a glance on guns. You make no sense at all. |
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Quoted: I would tell them that your kids are no longer allowed to stay in a home where the homeowner is unable to protect his family and my kids against a threat and now days that is a high probability of occurring In my opinion this is the wrong approach. He can brush it off and say in his last sixty years he has never needed a gun to protect his family blah blah blah. As someone else noted make the dad the bad guy. He showed a lack of respect and hospitality and made the OP feel unwelcome. |
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Quoted: Different and probably unpopular opinion: I usually check with the owner of the home if they mind or not, the first time I visit. I am glad to lock my gun in the car if they decline. Everyone has a right to be comfortable in their own home, whether or not they agree with me on personal defense. Pocket knives too? What about my black belt and ninja stars? |
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Quoted: Sage rule: Never bring a gun onto someone else's property without their expressed permission beforehand. But if you feel truly compelled to violate that rule anyway, at least leave the gun in the vehicle. I know that sounds dumb, given the above-zero chance of vehicle theft, but again, you just don't violate the sanctity of someone else's home like that. How does a gun violate someone's house? |
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Not gonna read the whole thread, OP, but here’s how I see it. 1. Respect. The old man doesn’t have any for you. Otherwise he’d have pulled you aside rather than chopping your wiener off in front of everybody, especially your own son. And if he has no respect for you then he certainly has to think that you’re not good enough for his daughter. 2. Red flag laws. They’re nothing to laugh at if you value your liberties and property. If he wants you gone, given the way he’s acted about this, I wouldn’t put it past him to make up some schit and drop a dime on ya. Might not be tomorrow, but rest assured you’re in the fatal funnel. Have you considered relocating out of that commie state? Are you able to transfer your job? Maybe that’s something that should be on your radar. Something to think about. If it were me, I would try my best to play it cool until I could get out from under the red flag threat, i.e. relocating. Until then I would consider storing most of my “sensitive property” with someone I trust, or getting a small storage unit if I didn’t already have one. *Admit nothing, deny everything, and make counter-accusations. |
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Quoted: How does a gun violate someone's house? Quoted: Quoted: Sage rule: Never bring a gun onto someone else's property without their expressed permission beforehand. But if you feel truly compelled to violate that rule anyway, at least leave the gun in the vehicle. I know that sounds dumb, given the above-zero chance of vehicle theft, but again, you just don't violate the sanctity of someone else's home like that. How does a gun violate someone's house? I once saw my 1911 pull itself out of my holster, crawl across the floor, stick itself in an electrical outlet, and say "you like that, don't you bitch?" I didn't do anything. The house never cried. It never cried. |
| You're a lot nicer than I am. I would have said "No problem." And left with both my sons, without saying another word. And I would never ever go back or set foot in his house again, with or without my gun. At that point I would consider myself persona non grata in his home again. He could have called you aside and expressed that in private with you alone, which would have been fine. Instead, he decided to make it public just to embarrass you, and that is unacceptable. |
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Quoted: How does a gun violate someone's house? Jeez, we clearly have a number of renters who fail to grasp the rudimentary concept of property rights. Not all renters, just some. Don't get me wrong, even though the father was within his legal rights to establish that rule, legalities aside, it was still a real dick move of him to belittle another grown man like that in front of his family. It would've been better had there been a behind-the-scenes discussion of that - preferably before the gun enters the home, but in this case, after the fact would've sufficed. |
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Quoted: Our strategy for success can only begin with you (me, all of us), it must not end with us. You’re the one day dreaming if you think this conversation is over for the OP. Imagine for a moment that this experience for the OP will extend beyond the boundaries of this thread. Because in some form or another this guy is going to be in OPs life for as long as his kid shall live. Accepting that this situation does not just disappear for the OP with this thread. Does it seem the logical and rightful choice for the OP to write the kids grandfather off, which will surely become a burden for his gf, his kids, himself, all of their relationships and those of anyone else involved?. Or, more appropriately (seemingly to me at least), he could conduct himself in a decent manner towards the grandfather, which would not only serve his family better, but also contains leverage in and of it self by not vindicating the grandfathers wrongful predisposition. A critical component for the OP to the logical continued conversation towards enlightenment of the grandfather , because make no mistake, this conversation is just getting started for the OP. Not to mention displaying himself as a solid father figure and role model for his kids, and would promote critical thinking, open dialect with those of differing opinions, and most importantly, maintains the core family principals and values our society so desperately needs. Or just burn the kids family down because daddy and grandpa don’t agree at a glance on guns. This is the way I went w/my inlaws on some disagreements we had w/one another. We get along fine these days. Kids need their Grandparents.. |
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Quoted: You're a lot nicer than I am. I would have said "No problem." And left with both my sons, without saying another word. And I would never ever go back or set foot in his house again, with or without my gun. At that point I would consider myself persona non grata in his home again. He could have called you aside and expressed that in private with you alone, which would have been fine. Instead, he decided to make it public just to embarrass you, and that is unacceptable. I would amend my previous statement and stick with this one. This is the best solution. Although I would explain it to him. "As you don't seem to care about my or my family's safety and you hold your particularly repulsive and ignorant brand of politics above our collective safety, we won't be returning here. You could've pulled me aside and voiced your concerns/position, but you chose the passive-aggressive route to make a scene." "You are more than welcome to visit at my home, providing you keep your vile politics to yourself; but my family and/or my children won't be returning as its clear that you don't value their safety and you have no means of protecting them should something terrible occur." |
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Quoted: Girlfriend doesn't care that I carry. Actually likes it. Kind of hard to eject when we have a two year old.. Quoted: Quoted: His house his rules. Good on you for respecting his (retarded) views going forward. And by that I mean keep carrying where you damn well will and if he asks again just lie or tell him to fuck off. Probable better to just eject actually. Sorry. Girlfriend doesn't care that I carry. Actually likes it. Kind of hard to eject when we have a two year old.. Could be worse, you could have married her |
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Quoted: This is the way I went w/my inlaws on some disagreements we had w/one another. We get along fine these days. Kids need their Grandparents.. Quoted: Quoted: Our strategy for success can only begin with you (me, all of us), it must not end with us. You’re the one day dreaming if you think this conversation is over for the OP. Imagine for a moment that this experience for the OP will extend beyond the boundaries of this thread. Because in some form or another this guy is going to be in OPs life for as long as his kid shall live. Accepting that this situation does not just disappear for the OP with this thread. Does it seem the logical and rightful choice for the OP to write the kids grandfather off, which will surely become a burden for his gf, his kids, himself, all of their relationships and those of anyone else involved?. Or, more appropriately (seemingly to me at least), he could conduct himself in a decent manner towards the grandfather, which would not only serve his family better, but also contains leverage in and of it self by not vindicating the grandfathers wrongful predisposition. A critical component for the OP to the logical continued conversation towards enlightenment of the grandfather , because make no mistake, this conversation is just getting started for the OP. Not to mention displaying himself as a solid father figure and role model for his kids, and would promote critical thinking, open dialect with those of differing opinions, and most importantly, maintains the core family principals and values our society so desperately needs. Or just burn the kids family down because daddy and grandpa don’t agree at a glance on guns. This is the way I went w/my inlaws on some disagreements we had w/one another. We get along fine these days. Kids need their Grandparents.. Sorry---but you went waaaay to far in accommodating his foolishness. He wanting to play by those rules (and force you to play by them) is pure theater, politics, and childishness (play my way or I'm taking my ball and going home). He is willing to sacrifice the family relationship to accommodate his stupid politics---SO MAKE HIM PLAY BY HIS OWN RULES. This is a perfect metaphor for Republican vs Democrat politics today. They make stupid rules/laws/guidelines with no aforethought to unintended consequences. We play by their stupid rules...but when the situation is reversed, WE ALMOST NEVER MAKE THEM PLAY BY THEIR OWN RULES. Fuck that. Make him play by his own rules and standards. His choice. You didn't choose this...HE DID. Make him play by his own stupid fucking rules. |
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Quoted: Could be worse, you could have married her Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: His house his rules. Good on you for respecting his (retarded) views going forward. And by that I mean keep carrying where you damn well will and if he asks again just lie or tell him to fuck off. Probable better to just eject actually. Sorry. Girlfriend doesn't care that I carry. Actually likes it. Kind of hard to eject when we have a two year old.. Could be worse, you could have married her "Mama, why did dad go out for cigarettes one morning and never come back?" "Because we come from inferior hoplophobic stock. Now drink your almond-milk soy latte." |
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Quoted: And that's your choice, so guess what? You keep your happy ass off of liberal retards' private property. Their property rights are respected, and your 2A rights are respected. No violations anywhere. Everybody wins. Quoted: Quoted: concealed means concealed. I'm not going to disarm myself just cause some liberal retard feels uncomfortable around guns. does Rojoko translate to wenis pringles in some foreign language im not aware of...paging norcal... 
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Quoted: Sorry---but you went waaaay to far in accommodating his foolishness. He wanting to play by those rules (and force you to play by them) is pure theater, politics, and childishness (play my way or I'm taking my ball and going home). He is willing to sacrifice the family relationship to accommodate his stupid politics---SO MAKE HIM PLAY BY HIS OWN RULES. This is a perfect metaphor for Republican vs Democrat politics today. They make stupid rules/laws/guidelines with no aforethought to unintended consequences. We play by their stupid rules...but when the situation is reversed, WE ALMOST NEVER MAKE THEM PLAY BY THEIR OWN RULES. Fuck that. Make him play by his own rules and standards. His choice. You didn't choose this...HE DID. Make him play by his own stupid fucking rules. |
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Quoted: I would have told him that it wouldn't be a problem, that I'd never come to his house again, nor would his grandchild. I would have then gotten my child and left. I certainly wouldn't have left my kid there with him. QFT! This is EXACTLY how I would have handled it! |
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When you pick up your kid just walk up to the door, ring the doorbell, and ask that they bring him out. When / if they invite you in, politely decline. Take kid, say farewell, and leave it at that. Sorry for your future troubles like when they red flag you or call child protective services to report unsecured firearms. That’s on you for not vetting the parents before dropping seed in their daughter. |
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Quoted: You all need to brush up on psychology. All of your advice makes OP the bad guy. He needs to think through a plan to make GF's dad the bad guy. Something along the lines of not saying a word about it to GF. Next time they go over to visit, OP stays outside. GF shocked, asked what is wrong. OP says he was told he wasn't welcome. OP tells GF to have her dad explain. Make them fight it out. This is devious. I like it. |