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Quoted: Or "we're flying over China and don't want to risk a captured pilot" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The B2 and the United States military logistics to support it are just absolutely mind blowing. Imagine being a Warrior in 2022. You grab a cup of coffee and kiss your wife goodbye and drive 20 minutes to your base in Missouri. You get on your plane and just fly for like 12 hours, getting refueled along the way, halfway across the entire planet. You're not terribly worried about getting shot down because they can't target the plane you're flying. You bomb an enemy of your country. You then fly back for another 12 hours. You talk to some guys to debrief You go back home to your wife. I expect the remote part is more for “You’re on the transpacific outbound leg of your combat mission. You’ve taken off and hand the controls over to Whiteman so you can grab some good sleep for the 15 hours before you near the flot.” Or "we're flying over China and don't want to risk a captured pilot" Perhaps. Although inflight refueling between a boom and an unmanned jet would be interesting to see. |
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Quoted: Directed laser submarine maybe. Directed laser Supercarrier I 100% is either operating or about to be. And if not then it can’t be done. Seems like an absolute no fucking brainer to use directed laser defense on your biggest floating target that also happens to be power by a nuclear reactor. View Quote This was inevitable, and a no-brainer indeed. They chloroformed the YAL-1 (747 Airborne Laser) before it became operational. The components and fuel source occupied almost the entire fuselage, and the mission parameter was absurd...getting an enormous, nearly un-defendable aircraft within range of a mobile launch site to hit a missile in it's boost phase. I still marvel at how they sold that concept to begin with. Hopefully we're close to, if not already there on the energy required to knock down satellites. Aside from the defensive roll, that's where a supercarrier will pay off in spades, should our allies balk at installation on their soil. They will become a major provocation. |
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I seem to remember hearing somewhere that unmanned boom refueling is quite feasible. However, using the probe and drogue approach is a practical impossibility with available technology. There's just no way to predict exactly where the dangly little drogue is going to be.
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Quoted: Make them both unmanned. View Quote It's actually hard to believe at this stage in our technological evolution we haven't reached a "hands-off" refuel operation between the tank and the receiver yet. I've watched a couple of dozen inflights from the boom pod of a KC-135R. Seems like taking the human component out of the loop on either end would be a huge step forward. No slight meant to either pilots or boomers, but it appears to be an extraordinarily difficult task when one or the other is "off", for whatever reason. |
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Quoted: This was inevitable, and a no-brainer indeed. They chloroformed the YAL-1 (747 Airborne Laser) before it became operational. The components and fuel source occupied almost the entire fuselage, and the mission parameter was absurd...getting an enormous, nearly un-defendable aircraft within range of a mobile launch site to hit a missile in it's boost phase. I still marvel at how they sold that concept to begin with. Hopefully we're close to, if not already there on the energy required to knock down satellites. Aside from the defensive roll, that's where a supercarrier will pay off in spades, should our allies balk at installation on their soil. They will become a major provocation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Directed laser submarine maybe. Directed laser Supercarrier I 100% is either operating or about to be. And if not then it can't be done. Seems like an absolute no fucking brainer to use directed laser defense on your biggest floating target that also happens to be power by a nuclear reactor. This was inevitable, and a no-brainer indeed. They chloroformed the YAL-1 (747 Airborne Laser) before it became operational. The components and fuel source occupied almost the entire fuselage, and the mission parameter was absurd...getting an enormous, nearly un-defendable aircraft within range of a mobile launch site to hit a missile in it's boost phase. I still marvel at how they sold that concept to begin with. Hopefully we're close to, if not already there on the energy required to knock down satellites. Aside from the defensive roll, that's where a supercarrier will pay off in spades, should our allies balk at installation on their soil. They will become a major provocation. It proved that bore sighting a laser in a noodly airplane structure to shoot targets at very long range was a hard job. It also demonstrated a fleet was not affordable. I suspect that some technologists recognized that we were on the cusp of advanced lasers more appropriate for an airborne weapon and convinced the Pentagon to drop the program. |
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Quoted: It's actually hard to believe at this stage in our technological evolution we haven't reached a "hands-off" refuel operation between the tank and the receiver yet. I've watched a couple of dozen inflights from the boom pod of a KC-135R. Seems like taking the human component out of the loop on either end would be a huge step forward. No slight meant to either pilots or boomers, but it appears to be an extraordinarily difficult task when one or the other is "off", for whatever reason. View Quote Boeing could barely demonstrate a functional boom and remote ARO despite years of delay and billions in overruns. This should have been a slam dunk for them. Newer companies are poised to eat the lunch of the aerospace giants but they are working on projects that are more technically challenging and have stronger implications across the battlefield. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Perhaps. Although inflight refueling between a boom and an unmanned jet would be interesting to see. Like MQ-25? The MQ-25 is a probe and drogue tanker. It's the easy job since they just dangle the drogue out for the receiver to hit. The carrier ops is the real challenge on that jet. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hope they build more than 20 or so of them this time. A craft incorporating the lessons of decades of B2 and F22 service. It's going to be interesting... They want 100 "They" wanted 600 F-22s too. That would've been badass, filling that order would pretty much guarantee continued development of the platform and a current ability to replace lost airframes. |
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Quoted: It's actually hard to believe at this stage in our technological evolution we haven't reached a "hands-off" refuel operation between the tank and the receiver yet. I've watched a couple of dozen inflights from the boom pod of a KC-135R. Seems like taking the human component out of the loop on either end would be a huge step forward. No slight meant to either pilots or boomers, but it appears to be an extraordinarily difficult task when one or the other is "off", for whatever reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Make them both unmanned. It's actually hard to believe at this stage in our technological evolution we haven't reached a "hands-off" refuel operation between the tank and the receiver yet. I've watched a couple of dozen inflights from the boom pod of a KC-135R. Seems like taking the human component out of the loop on either end would be a huge step forward. No slight meant to either pilots or boomers, but it appears to be an extraordinarily difficult task when one or the other is "off", for whatever reason. Airbus has tested an MRTT with an automatic boom (link), NASA tested an automatic probe and drogue receiver (link), and Lockheed has tested an MQ-25 as a probe and drogue tanker (link). I'm not aware of a test of an automatic flying boom receiver. |
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Quoted: Boeing could barely demonstrate a functional boom and remote ARO despite years of delay and billions in overruns. This should have been a slam dunk for them. Newer companies are poised to eat the lunch of the aerospace giants but they are working on projects that are more technically challenging and have stronger implications across the battlefield. View Quote Small price to pay to get a Woke, ESG compliant, Diversity rich American corporation in exchange. |
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Quoted: I wonder how many Hatchet Munitions they could fit in a B21? 24x Hatchets can fit in a 500lb bomb carrier, and a B21 can probably carry quite a few 500lb... https://i.ibb.co/mCx7tGq/Hatchet-Mini-Munition.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-BefOSUAHI View Quote This thing is cool. |
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Quoted: I wonder how many Hatchet Munitions they could fit in a B21? 24x Hatchets can fit in a 500lb bomb carrier, and a B21 can probably carry quite a few 500lb... https://i.ibb.co/mCx7tGq/Hatchet-Mini-Munition.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-BefOSUAHI View Quote B2 supposedly can carry 80 500lb bombs... if the B21 is even half that, that's a whole lot of little booms. Although, they'd probably have to make a specific magazine/dispenser thing for them for the bomb bay, but it'd still be a lot I would think. |
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Quoted: Let me guess, $12 billion per copy? View Quote 75% of the members here would tell you that it's actually $3billion, but the other $9billion goes into Bidens pocket, so "Fuck that plane and the Ukraine Too". And fuck our having won WW2 also, because those 2 bombs must have also cost too much and involved corruption!! |
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Quoted: B2 supposedly can carry 80 500lb bombs... if the B21 is even half that, that's a whole lot of little booms. Although, they'd probably have to make a specific magazine/dispenser thing for them for the bomb bay, but it'd still be a lot I would think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wonder how many Hatchet Munitions they could fit in a B21? 24x Hatchets can fit in a 500lb bomb carrier, and a B21 can probably carry quite a few 500lb... https://i.ibb.co/mCx7tGq/Hatchet-Mini-Munition.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-BefOSUAHI B2 supposedly can carry 80 500lb bombs... if the B21 is even half that, that's a whole lot of little booms. Although, they'd probably have to make a specific magazine/dispenser thing for them for the bomb bay, but it'd still be a lot I would think. Since B21 and Hatchet are both Northrup products, I hope they develop a special dispenser for them. If a single aircraft could dispense 200+ PGMs that would be a big deal. |
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I'd wager that loitering in contested airspace long enough to dump 200 hatchets would not be a wise use of the B21.
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Quoted: I'd wager that loitering in contested airspace long enough to dump 200 hatchets would not be a wise use of the B21. View Quote Well, that all depends on whoes contesting the airspace? Is it the Chinese? The Iranians? The Russians? The French? Some third world nation like the Central African Republic whoes air defense system is little more than a handful of Cold War era launchers and four or five rusted out Mig-21s? |
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Quoted: Boeing could barely demonstrate a functional boom and remote ARO despite years of delay and billions in overruns. This should have been a slam dunk for them. Newer companies are poised to eat the lunch of the aerospace giants but they are working on projects that are more technically challenging and have stronger implications across the battlefield. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It's actually hard to believe at this stage in our technological evolution we haven't reached a "hands-off" refuel operation between the tank and the receiver yet. I've watched a couple of dozen inflights from the boom pod of a KC-135R. Seems like taking the human component out of the loop on either end would be a huge step forward. No slight meant to either pilots or boomers, but it appears to be an extraordinarily difficult task when one or the other is "off", for whatever reason. Boeing could barely demonstrate a functional boom and remote ARO despite years of delay and billions in overruns. This should have been a slam dunk for them. Newer companies are poised to eat the lunch of the aerospace giants but they are working on projects that are more technically challenging and have stronger implications across the battlefield. The big 3 contractors build to a contract to satisfy the requirements of the Pentagon. There is very little wiggle room for independent innovation, and in the case of the Navy, practically none. Boeing isn't about to spend a dime of its own money unless there's a high likelihood of reimbursement in the near future. I can recall very few IRAD projects that weren't reimbursed later by the government. Most people don't see the work on "innovation" for years before a contract is proposed for a new airplane. A couple of examples - Work on the engines for ATF started in the early 80's. Various equipment development for ATF and other advanced airplanes was flying in the mid 80's in F-15 flight test airplanes. The problem with most of that work is that it usually doesn't lead to the final product. That leads to simultaneous development after the contract starts so all of the deficiencies must be driven out at that point, and that's a good way to drag out a contract until it's late and we get "IOC" airplanes on the ramp that cannot fly over hostile beaches. Don't hold your breath for slam dunks at Boeing. There are very few that are tall enough and can find the baskets, and those are diverted by the mundane. Most engineering employees don't give a damn, the bureaucracy drives their enthusiasm out in a year or two at most. |
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Quoted: I imagine it would be used in salvos of 20-200 Hatchets to strike area targets. Not as a single shot dispenser. For example dumping 100 over an enemy military base, with 1x Hatchet assigned to every important sub-component of the base (radars, fuel depots, parked vehicles, etc.) https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1623616857629-16.png?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=2018 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'd wager that loitering in contested airspace long enough to dump 200 hatchets would not be a wise use of the B21. I imagine it would be used in salvos of 20-200 Hatchets to strike area targets. Not as a single shot dispenser. For example dumping 100 over an enemy military base, with 1x Hatchet assigned to every important sub-component of the base (radars, fuel depots, parked vehicles, etc.) https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1623616857629-16.png?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=2018 Yup. Although I'd imagine it will be more than 200. And more than a base... imagine entire city. Baghdad, night one, one pass with one bomber takes out... 4 or 5 hundred targets. Telecom junction boxes, radio antennas, radar sites. The truck used to service something essential. Every military aircraft sitting on the tarmac at the airport. A gantryway used to access a command center. Blow a hole in the wall of a hanger to destroy the controls for the hanger door on the backside of the wall. The granular level of destruction that could be wreaked is pretty mind boggling. And all that would happen in probably... a minute? Imagining a giant Calico magazine in the bomb bay spitting those suckers out, might be pretty rapid. I wonder if they have synchronization capability... put 2 or 3 bombs bracketing a hard target that detonate simultaneously to focus pressure inside the target. The possibilities are endless. I can see the AF actually not liking that sort of thing, it takes all the glamour out of planning a giant strike with 50 fighters. |
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Quoted: Yup. Although I'd imagine it will be more than 200. And more than a base... imagine entire city. Baghdad, night one, one pass with one bomber takes out... 4 or 5 hundred targets. Telecom junction boxes, radio antennas, radar sites. The truck used to service something essential. Every military aircraft sitting on the tarmac at the airport. A gantryway used to access a command center. Blow a hole in the wall of a hanger to destroy the controls for the hanger door on the backside of the wall. The granular level of destruction that could be wreaked is pretty mind boggling. And all that would happen in probably... a minute? Imagining a giant Calico magazine in the bomb bay spitting those suckers out, might be pretty rapid. I wonder if they have synchronization capability... put 2 or 3 bombs bracketing a hard target that detonate simultaneously to focus pressure inside the target. The possibilities are endless. I can see the AF actually not liking that sort of thing, it takes all the glamour out of planning a giant strike with 50 fighters. View Quote American Dad: End Of Days |
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Quoted: Dump the dispenser that spits out all 200 at once after the plane is on its way out… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'd wager that loitering in contested airspace long enough to dump 200 hatchets would not be a wise use of the B21. Dump the dispenser that spits out all 200 at once after the plane is on its way out… With those winglets on there I'll bet they have a pretty significant glide range when dropped from ~50,000 feet. The airplane will be miles away from both the drop point and the targets when the bombs start to hit. |
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Something has to deliver those massive drone swarms. Imagine a drone that can fold into the size of a brick. About 30-40 per square foot. 3 5x5x10 canisters - 750 sq foot - 30k or so. Perhaps you could firebomb a city in a single pass. If one drone could frag 100 sq foot. You could really saturate a area.
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Quoted: Imagining a giant Calico magazine in the bomb bay spitting those suckers out, might be pretty rapid. I wonder if they have synchronization capability... put 2 or 3 bombs bracketing a hard target that detonate simultaneously to focus pressure inside the target. The possibilities are endless. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd wager that loitering in contested airspace long enough to dump 200 hatchets would not be a wise use of the B21. I imagine it would be used in salvos of 20-200 Hatchets to strike area targets. Not as a single shot dispenser. For example dumping 100 over an enemy military base, with 1x Hatchet assigned to every important sub-component of the base (radars, fuel depots, parked vehicles, etc.) https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1623616857629-16.png?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=2018 Imagining a giant Calico magazine in the bomb bay spitting those suckers out, might be pretty rapid. I wonder if they have synchronization capability... put 2 or 3 bombs bracketing a hard target that detonate simultaneously to focus pressure inside the target. The possibilities are endless. Hopefully this concept becomes known as Project Calico. On a somewhat related note, is Calico back in business? https://calicofirearms.com/products/firearms/ |
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