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Posted: 11/11/2023 6:42:16 PM EDT
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https://theaviationist.com/2023/11/11/the-first-flight-of-the-b-21-revealed-some-interesting-details-of-the-new-bomber/    
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Posted: 11/11/2023 10:24:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That thing is so awesome “Gonna kill so many Chinese” |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:39:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it has worms it's a wire and air data drogue Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's the thing sticking out of the back for? it has worms it's a wire and air data drogue |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:44:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Gonna kill so many Chinese” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That thing is so awesome “Gonna kill so many Chinese” I am a complete and total hypocrite about the way I normally view government, when it comes to us pumping billions into the war machine and get crazy ridiculous shit no one else but us has. It is a chink in my armor. |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:46:21 PM EDT
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Me normally: RETURN TO ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION NOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE 100 PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN POVERTY WHO CAN BE NULLIFIED BY ANY STATE AT ANY TIME
Also me: oh fuck check out this fucking new plane/ship/sub this thing kicks fucking ass |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:49:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGuessing, and that's unlikely. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 12:48:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guessing, and that's unlikely. Quote HistoryQuoted: Guessing, and that's unlikely. That looks like it's where they keep the miniature B-21. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 12:50:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That looks like it's where they keep the miniature B-21. Yeah. I mean maybe it was just a joke. The panel does look like that 
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Posted: 11/12/2023 1:08:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. I mean maybe it was just a joke. The panel does look like that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That looks like it's where they keep the miniature B-21. Yeah. I mean maybe it was just a joke. The panel does look like that that's where the Ex-wives go 
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Posted: 11/12/2023 10:32:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That looks like it's where they keep the miniature B-21. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guessing, and that's unlikely. That looks like it's where they keep the miniature B-21. Looking on GE, I see the baseball fields but they don't look anything like a B-2 (or B-21). |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 11:49:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maintenance will kill the program. https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/09/22/gao-blasts-contractor-led-f-35-maintenance-as-costly-slow/ First thing is to institute accountability for spares and stop the leakage. As the airplane ages, the readiness rate will decrease. After a fix requires a couple of invasive penetrations through the outer moldline the next critical problem won't be repairable. Are all the export models experiencing the same issues ? What about the Israeli F-35I ? Don’t they do their own mods to them ? |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 1:48:22 PM EDT
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b-21-raiders-first-flight-what-we-learned
some interesting speculation and info and pics here |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 3:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are all the export models experiencing the same issues ? What about the Israeli F-35I ? Don't they do their own mods to them ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maintenance will kill the program. https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/09/22/gao-blasts-contractor-led-f-35-maintenance-as-costly-slow/ First thing is to institute accountability for spares and stop the leakage. As the airplane ages, the readiness rate will decrease. After a fix requires a couple of invasive penetrations through the outer moldline the next critical problem won't be repairable. Are all the export models experiencing the same issues ? What about the Israeli F-35I ? Don't they do their own mods to them ? The Israelis do all sorts of modifications to their airplanes. As far as routine maintenance, I have to wonder whether they managed to get LM to turn over the maintenance documents. That would be interesting, partly because that information also goes through the State Department. With LM supporting US airplanes in the field I'll bet the documentation is thin. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 3:28:21 PM EDT
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This may be too D&D dorky, but the silhouette looked more like a Displacer Beast  than Cerberus. Predator that uses illusion to make the prey think it's somewhere else versus Guardian to the Underworld seems more thematically appropriate anyway. (Plus, I hear "Cerberus", and think of this sort of logo instead...)  Anyway, all dorkery aside, a per unit cost of >$600 million is a lot of scratch. Especially now. I take it though, that it's essential for the USAF to continue to do what it needs to do, and isn't a capability that can be replicated for less money via more F-35s or an orbital strike platform? |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 3:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This may be too D&D dorky, but the silhouette looked more like a Displacer Beast Https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/d/df/Displacer_Beast_MM_4e.jpgthan Cerberus. Predator that uses illusion to make the prey think it's somewhere else versus Guardian to the Underworld seems more thematically appropriate anyway. (Plus, I hear "Cerberus", and think of this sort of logo instead...) https://metalweavegames.com/cdn/shop/products/Mcerebus_600x.jpg Anyway, all dorkery aside, a per unit cost of >$600 million is a lot of scratch. Especially now. I take it though, that it's essential for the USAF to continue to do what it needs to do, and isn't a capability that can be replicated for less money via more F-35s or an orbital strike platform? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
This may be too D&D dorky, but the silhouette looked more like a Displacer Beast Https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/d/df/Displacer_Beast_MM_4e.jpgthan Cerberus. Predator that uses illusion to make the prey think it's somewhere else versus Guardian to the Underworld seems more thematically appropriate anyway. (Plus, I hear "Cerberus", and think of this sort of logo instead...) https://metalweavegames.com/cdn/shop/products/Mcerebus_600x.jpg Anyway, all dorkery aside, a per unit cost of >$600 million is a lot of scratch. Especially now. I take it though, that it's essential for the USAF to continue to do what it needs to do, and isn't a capability that can be replicated for less money via more F-35s or an orbital strike platform? Long range bombers can't be replaced by short range fighters for rather obvious reasons. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 3:44:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long range bombers can't be replaced by short range fighters for rather obvious reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
This may be too D&D dorky, but the silhouette looked more like a Displacer Beast Https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/d/df/Displacer_Beast_MM_4e.jpgthan Cerberus. Predator that uses illusion to make the prey think it's somewhere else versus Guardian to the Underworld seems more thematically appropriate anyway. (Plus, I hear "Cerberus", and think of this sort of logo instead...) https://metalweavegames.com/cdn/shop/products/Mcerebus_600x.jpg Anyway, all dorkery aside, a per unit cost of >$600 million is a lot of scratch. Especially now. I take it though, that it's essential for the USAF to continue to do what it needs to do, and isn't a capability that can be replicated for less money via more F-35s or an orbital strike platform? Long range bombers can't be replaced by short range fighters for rather obvious reasons. Which is why I put in the orbital strike part. Which needs an accelerated launch cadence to be possible, but at least isn't the complete pipe dream it was 20 years ago. We're really going to be doing long-range stealthy bomber missions from CONUS/Hawaii vs Chinese 1st island chain targets? And doing so by relying on weapons that require LOS to the target vs stealthy standoff weapons from B52/B1? If so, sure. There aren't enough B-2s to go around and, as you note, F-35 can't get there from here. It's just a lot of money. At a time when we don't have a lot of it to spend. At least it sounds more feasible, and likely to play out that way, a use case on its face than the B-2, "Cruise around the Apocalypse and look for mobile ICBMs," case mentioned upthread. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 3:45:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it just me or does that thing not look real? Unless its shimmering from some kind of undisclosed, predator-esque cloaking device that is malfunctioning a bit. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 3:54:25 PM EDT
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It will be interesting to see how many we get considering the debt.
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Posted: 11/12/2023 5:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is why I put in the orbital strike part. Which needs an accelerated launch cadence to be possible, but at least isn't the complete pipe dream it was 20 years ago. We're really going to be doing long-range stealthy bomber missions from CONUS/Hawaii vs Chinese 1st island chain targets? And doing so by relying on weapons that require LOS to the target vs stealthy standoff weapons from B52/B1? If so, sure. There aren't enough B-2s to go around and, as you note, F-35 can't get there from here. It's just a lot of money. At a time when we don't have a lot of it to spend. At least it sounds more feasible, and likely to play out that way, a use case on its face than the B-2, "Cruise around the Apocalypse and look for mobile ICBMs," case mentioned upthread. B-21 will also use stand-off munitions. Not exclusively of course. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 10:14:15 PM EDT
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A little bit of trivia I found amusing.
As part of It's development the B-21 will be flown by the 420 Test Flight Squadron. |
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