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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:02:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Refusal to comply would've been a better strategy - now you're on the radar.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:04:11 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol.... The ink isn't even dry .  Some people are dying to fall in line. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:05:24 PM EDT
[#3]
Dont do it.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL! That is EXACTLY what I meant when I said: The "gonna", the "bro", the "in the game".....for someone that has to be in their 60's at a minimum. Shilling for registration before the ink is dry and the lawsuits have started. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/be/77/babe776c60b52e2976b63dff8a22240a.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So you have been “in the NFA game 44 years?” You are obviously a stickler for the rules, so let’s say you were 18 when you got your first stamp. You’re 62 years old and call people bro? Quoted: Hard no on that, watching you squirm is awesome. It’s also cool to interact with a self described “old timer” that calls people bro, bro! Quoted: He keeps talking like a young person but claims he is collecting nfa for 44 years. Nothing is adding up here LOL! That is EXACTLY what I meant when I said: Quoted: Something is off here.  The "gonna", the "bro", the "in the game".....for someone that has to be in their 60's at a minimum. Shilling for registration before the ink is dry and the lawsuits have started. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/be/77/babe776c60b52e2976b63dff8a22240a.gif 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:13:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, I just bought stocks for all of my pistols. ATF has just announced that SBRs are in common use and we all know that arms in common use can’t be banned thanks to Heller. I’d love to have (My name) v ATF become my legacy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol. All the patriots who bought fake rubber-appendaged rifle stocks as a way of rolling over and showing their belly to the Feds are now hardcore revolutionaries who will not compromise their right to own squishy rubber handicapped stocks on pistols that are not pistols. The sacred right to find a loophole in unConstitutional infringements shall not be infringed! You were already playing their game, with their terms, under their direction. You have to admit that the duality of man, the Jungian thing, is awesome here. Correct, I just bought stocks for all of my pistols. ATF has just announced that SBRs are in common use and we all know that arms in common use can’t be banned thanks to Heller. I’d love to have (My name) v ATF become my legacy.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:13:51 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: May your chains rest lightly. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ATF doesn't make laws. The brace was legal. If they want to change that. They need to go to Congress and change the laws. Otherwise fuck the constitution. No point in the American way. There's supposed to be a process for making new laws. If an agency can just do it, what's the point of the country executive branch agencies promulgate tons of new/revised/changed regulations (CFR) every single day and have force of law if they can "justify" them under the underlying statute (USC)... they dont have to be approved by congress. Like when the atf decided in 1980~ that open bolt semis were MGs, bumpstocks, atkins accelerators, etc ad nauseum. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:18:48 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I predict this is the start of a long string of threads started by 22er and 23er accounts with low post counts trying to normalize registering their braces. This thread glows. Yes, and this little glowie is trying to encourage everyone to register their braces. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:23:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FYI you dont have to deal with the GD mouthbreathers here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/General-NFA-Questions/17/ Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:29:04 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone who put a brace on a pistol was already complying, that was the whole point of the brace. Whole lot of tough guys in GD who complied with literally every part of the NFA but now think taking braces away should be everyone else’s hill to die on. “Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” HL Mencken... oh shit, i'm getting a "visit" ain't i LOL |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:30:01 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have never owned a braced pistol. I’ve drawn my line in the sand. I’m throwing off my chains. GD apparently has never heard of the terms..."pushed too far..." and "straw that broke the camels back..." |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:33:03 PM EDT
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My grandfather was a WW2 navy vet. We were at Price Club circa 1993-1994 (currently known as Costco) shopping and enjoying some free samples of food, and I said. “Can you believe we get all of this food for free?”
He responded, “Nothing is ever free, nothing. Remember that” That pretty much sums up my position on the matter. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:36:53 PM EDT
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So how many of you brave souls made your own suppressors and not informed aft to pay $200 for your stamps? If you don't want sweaty guy love in a federal penitentiary you probably filed your registration tax stamp fee for quieter shooting. No difference than getting free sbr registration. I have not made up my mind because it would be nice to get a free sbr. But if they only allow one upper for that lower they can forget it and change their minds in another libtard administration and try to start collecting them. They play the game of changing rules over the years it is not trusting them that has me hesitant. The criminals run the country and want to make felons out of the rest of us. All gun control is unconstitutional. Cr should not dictate our rights. Only slimy libtards twist facts to scate the sheeple into taking rights will decrease crime. There should be 1% of lawyers in the US. The rest should learn to code.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:36:53 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” HL Mencken... oh shit, i'm getting a "visit" ain't i LOL There are a few members here that would slit their neighbors throats if the atf told them to with the promise of a “free” tax stamp for the reward |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:39:45 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's actually a great opportunity to save $200 registering an SBR. Registration is free. NO CHARGE! And they don't ask for proof that you have a brace on the gun you're amnesty registering. And the BATF says you can change out the brace for a stock. And you don't even have to wait for approval, a copy of your submitted application is all you need to have the SBR. It sounds like some of you guys haven't put 2+2 together yet. Pretty sure you have to send them a picture of the gun in question with the brace on it. There are several stipulations from what I recall. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:46:25 PM EDT
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The lovely one, the rig become a Federal registry item, so means that you need to have your Form 5320.20 approved, before it can move over state lines/go out of state, and only for the time frame that you put on the form each year.
Trust is, if you are going to so this, just make the rig a SBR on a form 1 via paying the $200 for the tax stamp, and them you can put what every stock/mount the stock to your shoulder, without fear of breaking a pistol brace rule instead. Hence in for a pence, in for a pound with all the paper work you are sending in to get approved to add the item on the Federal registry list/ extra rules of Federal registry items, such as you only allowed to be in possession of it if under our name, or trust with someone missing from the list that may have possession of the rig to break the law, the aproved 5320.20 to move it from state to state, and list goes on. read the reason that they are now doing this free registration, is they once aproved the brace for title 1 pistols, change their mind, and now doing a mini grandfathering for this item only, so you can keep the rig as once allowed. To sum it up, 14.5 barrel with longer permanently attached FS to get the barrel 16" leaves the rig as a title 1, and then you can put what every stock on it you want, take it out of state, non felons of legal age can be in possession of it without you being there, just like any other title 1 firearm. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 11:47:19 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many in here bitching have unregistered SBRs, machine guns, and suppressors? I would guess none.   Attached File |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:06:25 AM EDT
[#18]
I did the same thing as the OP and filled today to beat the rush. Had wife take a picture with my phone and used app to convert to passport photo spec and sent it in. Going to UPS Tomorrow to get printscan for my prints so i can have the file saved going forward.
I fail to see the downside to free SBR stamp on something i was going to SBR anyway. Hell i might do a few more.. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:07:46 AM EDT
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Anyone remember the USAS-12, Striker 12, and Streetsweeper shotguns were classified as destructive devices after people purchased them as a regular shotgun? If you didn't register these guns as destructive devices during the registration window, they would become illegal. Those registered guns can now be sold for around $5K. If you didn't register yours, then you're looking at 10 years in prison.
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:14:33 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: May your chains rest lightly. Everyone who put a brace on a pistol was already complying, that was the whole point of the brace. Whole lot of tough guys in GD who complied with literally every part of the NFA but now think taking braces away should be everyone else's hill to die on. 100% All gun laws are unconstitutional. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:14:52 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many in here bitching have unregistered SBRs, machine guns, and suppressors? I would guess none. I wouldn't doubt there are some. Smart? No. But I would bet there are more than just a few. Hell, there are people completely ignorant of the SBR class of weapons. I've been to the range and seen some guys that admitted they bought complete lowers, then bought pistol length complete uppers and just pinned them together. When asked about how long their wait time was, they just gave the "What?" look. They said both items were for sale at the gun show. If the upper wasn't meant to be stuck right on the lower, they wouldn't sell it. There are people that are completely clueless. Maybe not so many here. But they do exist. Select fires? I'm betting that is something that is extremely uncommon to users here without a stamp. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:15:38 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone remember the USAS-12, Striker 12, and Streetsweeper shotguns were classified as destructive devices after people purchased them as a regular shotgun? If you didn't register these guns as destructive devices during the registration window, they would become illegal. Those registered guns can now be sold for around $5K. If you didn't register yours, then you're looking at 10 years in prison. Just stop…. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:17:43 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, and this little glowie is trying to encourage everyone to register their braces. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I predict this is the start of a long string of threads started by 22er and 23er accounts with low post counts trying to normalize registering their braces. This thread glows. Yes, and this little glowie is trying to encourage everyone to register their braces. Also, the guys in the office across the hall from him have been posting a lot of “if you’re not going to comply, post pictures of your illegal machine guns” |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:18:42 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, and this little glowie is trying to encourage everyone to register their braces. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I predict this is the start of a long string of threads started by 22er and 23er accounts with low post counts trying to normalize registering their braces. This thread glows. Yes, and this little glowie is trying to encourage everyone to register their braces. Hmm. I thought the tell of the glowy was the one encouraging others to violate the law. Or, are we all still telling ourselves that a <16" BBL with arm brace that is shoulder fired, isn't an SBR? |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:24:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmm. I thought the tell of the glowy was the one encouraging others to violate the law. Or, are we all still telling ourselves that a <16" BBL with arm brace that is shoulder fired, isn't an SBR? An entire industry and gun owning population was allowed to openly sell, buy, and use them as if they aren't.  Attached FileI'm not telling anyone what to do. But it sucks.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:25:30 AM EDT
[#26]
Congratulations on admission of having an illegal sbr oh and you will have a denied letter at some point
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:31:57 AM EDT
[#27]
How long did it take for that email to come in OP?
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:32:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An entire industry and gun owning population was allowed to openly sell, buy, and use them as if they aren't. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/235149/Untitled_png-2672638.JPG I'm not telling anyone what to do. But it sucks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/235149/Shrug_jpg-1954471__1__jpeg-2672640.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hmm. I thought the tell of the glowy was the one encouraging others to violate the law. Or, are we all still telling ourselves that a <16" BBL with arm brace that is shoulder fired, isn't an SBR? An entire industry and gun owning population was allowed to openly sell, buy, and use them as if they aren't. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/235149/Untitled_png-2672638.JPG I'm not telling anyone what to do. But it sucks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/235149/Shrug_jpg-1954471__1__jpeg-2672640.JPG The fact that it sucks will get no argument from me. It's also violation of 2nd and 14th amendment. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:36:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:42:53 AM EDT
[#30]
A good visual.
2013 I walk into Palmetto State Armory and see an AR pistol with a SB Tactical brace on it. Ask salesman, do I need any thing special to buy that? He says nope. ATF says its a pistol with a brace. Perfectly legal to buy and own. I come home and call ATF and ask them. Get the same reply. 2014 I walk into PSA see a new model with a few differences. Ask salesman and same reply. Come home and call ATF and they tell me same thing. 2015 I walk into PSA .. same thing other than salesman tells me I can no longer touch the brace to my shoulder. Call ATF and he verifies this. But still not a NFA item. 2016 Same. 2017 Same but now they are telling my I can touch my shoulder with the brace again, 2018 Same. Buy another. 2019 Same 2020 Same 2021 Same 2020 Same 2023 Couldn't wait to buy this years model. But now I find out it's now a NFA item. So I won't be buying one this year. The kicker is, they both tell me my past 10 are now NFA items and I may be a felon in 4 months if I don't do their dance? |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:42:54 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's one option, and it could get you a few years in prison, and cost you $50,000 to $100,000 to defend yourself in court. Some of us have a lot to lose. I didn't work my whole life so I could go to prison and have my life savings wiped out. If you got nothing to lose, no savings in the bank, no homeownership, no job, no family, then by all means proceed with not registering shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Okay. Then don't get your free SBR registration and save $200. Pay the $200 and feel like a real smart guy. Or don't register shit Fuck the aft That's one option, and it could get you a few years in prison, and cost you $50,000 to $100,000 to defend yourself in court. Some of us have a lot to lose. I didn't work my whole life so I could go to prison and have my life savings wiped out. If you got nothing to lose, no savings in the bank, no homeownership, no job, no family, then by all means proceed with not registering shit. @Twang2000 Or, if your freedom is worth more than $50,000-$100,000 to you, don’t register and make the feds eat shit. Having “BourbonBeast vs. ATF” be my legacy is worth magnitudes more than 100k. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:42:59 AM EDT
[#32]
They told me my passport photos had to include me licking boot leather. That seemed odd to me.
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:52:11 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone remember the USAS-12, Striker 12, and Streetsweeper shotguns were classified as destructive devices after people purchased them as a regular shotgun? If you didn't register these guns as destructive devices during the registration window, they would become illegal. Those registered guns can now be sold for around $5K. If you didn't register yours, then you're looking at 10 years in prison. Gross, bro. It's like they're not even trying anymore. “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:53:01 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Twang2000 Or, if your freedom is worth more than $50,000-$100,000 to you, don’t register and make the feds eat shit. Having “BourbonBeast vs. ATF” be my legacy is worth magnitudes more than 100k. This Hang together or hang separately. If everyone said “no”, this dictate stands a greater chance of being overturned. However, if everyone says, “I just want free shit for myself”, rest assured we will all hang separately. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:53:04 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s see your unregistered machineguns. ETA: furthermore, if you’ve ever owned a braced pistol, you enjoyed the same chains as OP. Braces were a workaround to a restriction. A free man would have just put a stock on it and did whatever the fuck he wanted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: May your chains rest lightly. Let’s see your unregistered machineguns. ETA: furthermore, if you’ve ever owned a braced pistol, you enjoyed the same chains as OP. Braces were a workaround to a restriction. A free man would have just put a stock on it and did whatever the fuck he wanted. Like taxes we should pay as little as possible. Taxation is theft, needing to get a permission slip in which you have to pay for is not freedom. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 12:58:47 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just stop…. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone remember the USAS-12, Striker 12, and Streetsweeper shotguns were classified as destructive devices after people purchased them as a regular shotgun? If you didn't register these guns as destructive devices during the registration window, they would become illegal. Those registered guns can now be sold for around $5K. If you didn't register yours, then you're looking at 10 years in prison. Just stop…. He can’t. He has to keep trying to scare every one to fall in line. There is no way he is an old man. He is posting like a 20-30 year old guy that works for a certain government agency. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:02:06 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, the guys in the office across the hall from him have been posting a lot of “if you’re not going to comply, post pictures of your illegal machine guns” Yep. Which may be more fucking retarded than the op posts. I can’t stand my ground now because I didn’t have unregistered machine guns prior til now? Where do they come up with this stuff? |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:08:14 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's actually a great opportunity to save $200 registering an SBR. Registration is free. NO CHARGE! And they don't ask for proof that you have a brace on the gun you're amnesty registering. And the BATF says you can change out the brace for a stock. And you don't even have to wait for approval, a copy of your submitted application is all you need to have the SBR. It sounds like some of you guys haven't put 2+2 together yet. Being so happy to register.. Something about being a suckered for a trap. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:14:41 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because I’m not in here celebrating getting free tax stamps after an obviously unconstitutional rule is being put into place? This guy gets it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:16:47 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He could probably pull some prints off those. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: May your chains rest lightly.  |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:18:14 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sam Adams quote…. Edgy Yeah, but it's true isn't it? |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:22:38 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay. Then don't get your free SBR registration and save $200. Pay the $200 and feel like a real smart guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He keeps talking like a young person but claims he is collecting nfa for 44 years. Nothing is adding up here Okay. Then don't get your free SBR registration and save $200. Pay the $200 and feel like a real smart guy. Or don't register and don't pay the $200 and be a fucking man and take a stand against unconstitutional bullshit? |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:27:45 AM EDT
[#43]
@Twang2000
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you have been “in the NFA game 44 years?” You are obviously a stickler for the rules, so let’s say you were 18 when you got your first stamp. You’re 62 years old and call people bro? Quote HistoryQuoted: So you have been “in the NFA game 44 years?” You are obviously a stickler for the rules, so let’s say you were 18 when you got your first stamp. You’re 62 years old and call people bro? Quoted: Hard no on that, watching you squirm is awesome. It’s also cool to interact with a self described “old timer” that calls people bro, bro! Quoted: He keeps talking like a young person but claims he is collecting nfa for 44 years. Nothing is adding up here |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:30:18 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Refusal to comply would've been a better strategy - now you're on the radar. He is the radar. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:40:37 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Twang2000 Quote HistoryQuoted: @Twang2000 Quoted: So you have been “in the NFA game 44 years?” You are obviously a stickler for the rules, so let’s say you were 18 when you got your first stamp. You’re 62 years old and call people bro? Quoted: Hard no on that, watching you squirm is awesome. It’s also cool to interact with a self described “old timer” that calls people bro, bro! Quoted: He keeps talking like a young person but claims he is collecting nfa for 44 years. Nothing is adding up here The bro part makes me think of the picture people post of the young fbi agents in shorts in tshirts hanging out. Lol. In this case it is “batfe” though |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:44:39 AM EDT
[#46]
All the cucks in here.
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:52:37 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you cheerleading for it? What happens when the law gets overturned, and all the "free stamps" are withdrawn by aft, and the brace has to go back on? Why do you think there is no engraving requirement? They have all your info, and you want an sbr, you have to apply again and pay 200 bucks. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:59:20 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lift them off your husband's shoulders? 
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Posted: 1/15/2023 1:59:57 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What happens when the law gets overturned, and all the "free stamps" are withdrawn by aft, and the brace has to go back on? Why do you think there is no engraving requirement? They have all your info, and you want an sbr, you have to apply again and pay 200 bucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you cheerleading for it? What happens when the law gets overturned, and all the "free stamps" are withdrawn by aft, and the brace has to go back on? Why do you think there is no engraving requirement? They have all your info, and you want an sbr, you have to apply again and pay 200 bucks. They are not even thinking about any of that. The atf already got them hooked and reeled in with “free”. Mission accomplished. |
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Posted: 1/15/2023 2:00:16 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What happens when the law gets overturned, and all the "free stamps" are withdrawn by aft, and the brace has to go back on? Why do you think there is no engraving requirement? They have all your info, and you want an sbr, you have to apply again and pay 200 bucks.  Attached File |
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