User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 1:58:50 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Uneducated onlookers see an arm around the neck, they will claim RNC the entire time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? It absofuckinglutely can be if the choker chooses so. The thing is...after you're unconscious, you have no further say in the matter. If applied with Restraint, it is an effective means of reducing a belligerent violent person's ability to do harm, without actually harming them. Either crazy subway man had drugs on board, serious plaque build up In his arteries, other underlying medical condition, or marine held it too long. One of the articles I read said the Marine held the RNC for several minutes. With a properly applied RNC, there aren’t that many seconds between unconscious and brain dead. I think this is a case where he was amped on adrenaline and just went too far. Uneducated onlookers see an arm around the neck, they will claim RNC the entire time. Agreed |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 1:59:10 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, there is no toxicology report released as part of the medical examiner determination. What happens if/when they find out he had a lethal dose of fentanyl or something else in his system? Quote HistoryQuoted: Neely later died, and his death has been ruled a homicide Yet, there is no toxicology report released as part of the medical examiner determination. What happens if/when they find out he had a lethal dose of fentanyl or something else in his system? I'm betting on drugs and a bad heart. Like the guy who died after the cops arrested him and they claim the "chokehold" that wasn't a chokehold killed him. 2 hours later. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 1:59:31 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I ask you a simple question, why can't you just answer it? Your line of questioning is completely irrational and I prefer to not entertain a troll. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 1:59:50 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not incompatible. Without evidence that marine held the actual choke after unconsciousness, you cant say for certain the choke killed him. Pics show he doesn't have it tight. Then again, idiots convicted Chauvin. City medical examiner has said that the cause of death was compression of the neck. https://abc7ny.com/subway-chokehold-jordan-neely-nyc-death-investigation/13211195/ |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:00:43 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your line of questioning is completely irrational and I prefer to not entertain a troll. So you can't. That's cool. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:01:26 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Permanent damage from loss of blood flow starts at 4 minutes. Death can take up to 6. https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000013.htm#:~:text=Permanent%20brain%20damage%20begins%20after,are%20available%20for%20home%20use Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where are you getting 4 minutes to damage? A properly applied RNC will render the subject unconscious in seconds and kill them in minutes. It cuts off blood flow to the brain by compressing the carotid arteries. Permanent damage from loss of blood flow starts at 4 minutes. Death can take up to 6. https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000013.htm#:~:text=Permanent%20brain%20damage%20begins%20after,are%20available%20for%20home%20use Yeah. You're not understanding what that is saying. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:03:01 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm betting on drugs and a bad heart. Like the guy who died after the cops arrested him and they claim the "chokehold" that wasn't a chokehold killed him. 2 hours later. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Neely later died, and his death has been ruled a homicide Yet, there is no toxicology report released as part of the medical examiner determination. What happens if/when they find out he had a lethal dose of fentanyl or something else in his system? I'm betting on drugs and a bad heart. Like the guy who died after the cops arrested him and they claim the "chokehold" that wasn't a chokehold killed him. 2 hours later. Unfortunately for the marine, the RNC also can compress a nerve bundle in the neck that can cause heart arrhythmia. Sometimes people end up going into cardiac arrest when it is applied. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:04:57 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: City medical examiner has said that the cause of death was compression of the neck. https://abc7ny.com/subway-chokehold-jordan-neely-nyc-death-investigation/13211195/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not incompatible. Without evidence that marine held the actual choke after unconsciousness, you cant say for certain the choke killed him. Pics show he doesn't have it tight. Then again, idiots convicted Chauvin. City medical examiner has said that the cause of death was compression of the neck. https://abc7ny.com/subway-chokehold-jordan-neely-nyc-death-investigation/13211195/ 1. I'm sure that examiner is completely truthful, declaring CoD before tox screen comes back. 2 Compression of the neck doesn't mean that he intentionally held the choke long enough for death. People in poor health often have enough plaque that the arteries stick shut. There are specific revival techniques we use when someone is out from RNC to help ensure they reopen. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:05:37 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 minutes between unconscious and damage. Not sure how long before completely brain dead. I believe it is about 4 minutes to death, with damage coming much earlier. I've seen people almost instantly go out, but not with RNC, but with things like baseball choke. In any case, if the number is a 4 minute delay between unconscious and death, then RNC is both a safe restraint method and also a method of killing. Once unconscious the person it is applied to has no means of defense and it entirely at the other person's mercy. Which means if a rando applies it to you, you have to assume the worst. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:06:17 PM EST
[#10]
Quoted: Black Lives Matter Marxist Criminals joined the litany of lies against the former Marine who put a schizophrenic homeless man in a chokehold on the subway to be held 'accountable' today as Marxist-Satanist Democrats demanded he be charged with murder. Jordan Neely, 30, a mental patient and known as a fun-loving Michael Jackson freak who performed on New York City trains to commuters. In recent years, his family say he had suffered severe mental health problems and had 'lost it' after the 2007 murder of his mother. On Monday, Neely - who has 40 prior arrests from 2013 and 2021 including an assault on a 67-year-old woman - was traveling on the F train at around 2.27pm when he began yelling and throwing garbage, according to other passengers. On Monday night, Jordan Neely (center) was placed in a chokehold on the subway by an unnamed former Marine (right). He was also restrained by other passengers. Neely later died, and his death was incorrectly ruled a homicide Summer is coming !  
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:10:49 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. You're not understanding what that is saying. I've also had this conversation with a guy who teaches in med school. No, that article wasn't the best but I'm not going to call him up and ask for journal articles so I can win an e argument. When blood flow to the brain is stopped, you have minutes to live not seconds, as per the original claim that started this particular line of debate. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:11:27 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. Well considering the guy died, I would say that was deadly force. Also no telling what someone would do to you after you where out cold, and that could be considered serious bodily harm |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:13:18 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. I'm sure that examiner is completely truthful, declaring CoD before tox screen comes back. 2 Compression of the neck doesn't mean that he intentionally held the choke long enough for death. People in poor health often have enough plaque that the arteries stick shut. There are specific revival techniques we use when someone is out from RNC to help ensure they reopen. Do you have anything that would support those hypotheticals? I mean, if we're going to just casually disregard information that is inconvenient to the narrative lets at least have fun with it and say that he was dead when they got there and the pictures of the event are AI generated or something. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:13:28 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bragg says they're charging the Marine I was betting on him punting |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:16:58 PM EST
[#15]
Read through the responses in this thread. This is how we lost our nation and society. Crime and leftism are tearing the very fabric of society to shreds and we act like crabs in a bucket when someone dares to do something about it.
Indifference, apathy, fear of social persecution, and guilt killed the spirit of this nation. We deserve what we have coming to us, because we refuse to push back against it. And yeah I'll side with a fellow Marine, especially when it puts me at odds with the likes of BLM and AOC.  Fear the indifference of good men |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:18:21 PM EST
[#16]
Some folks need killing
Some folks don’t I take is the mentally ill drug addict was in the first category as he would have harmed or murdered someone eventually. This is the environment that the leftists in NYC have cultivated and fed these last few years more so than ever. The Marine needs to be released and absolved of any wrongdoing immediately! |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:18:40 PM EST
[#17]
Died doing what he loved… committing felonies
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:19:02 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, so what do you feel comfortable calling it when a guy uses unjustified deadly force that ends up killing someone? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you agree that the Marine murdered the guy. Cool. You seem to have a bad problem with putting words into other people's mouths. From the limited information I have seen, the Marine may very well have killed the guy, but homicide does NOT equal murder. You should probably switch to decaf. Ok, so what do you feel comfortable calling it when a guy uses unjustified deadly force that ends up killing someone? Threat of serious bodily harm seems to qualify to me here. 1 plus 1 does equal 2. You dont have to be killed to justify deadly force, its called the threat of deadly force. Not the after effect oh he killed me now I cam shoot em. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:21:21 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've also had this conversation with a guy who teaches in med school. No, that article wasn't the best but I'm not going to call him up and ask for journal articles so I can win an e argument. When blood flow to the brain is stopped, you have minutes to live not seconds, as per the original claim that started this particular line of debate. I didn't see anyone claim seconds to death. Seconds to unconsciousness. Minutes to death. I've studied the subject, some, since I taught it and was responsible for students lives and health. Let's do this. If someone is held underwater, there is no new oxygen being introduced. The average person can remain conscious for a minute or two. Some way longer. Some, not so much. The average person has about 4 minutes before bad stuff starts happening to their brain. Sometimes death. Some can go considerably longer but they're freaks. Cold and youth can have effect. A RNC can cause unconsciousness in as little as 5 seconds, from personal experience. There is one noggin's worth of oxygenated blood available. Not the entire circulatory system. Damage can start way before 4 minutes. Setting all that aside, fucktard on subway was a piece of shit, threatening people, and asked for what he got regardless of what the letter of fucking NYC law says. World is better without him. Was marine a fool? Yes on many levels. First one for even being there. Second one for getting involved. Third one for sticking around. Did he kill him with RNC? Can't say for sure. Did it contribute? Probably. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:23:43 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is a rear naked choke deadly force? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, we’ve had members here argue that a rear naked choke was deadly force and they’d shoot if they got in a fight and someone tried to put them in one. Maybe AOC is a member here. You wouldn't shoot someone trying to choke you out? Is a rear naked choke deadly force? In the moment is that your thought, or this guys trying to kill me? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:24:24 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Threat of serious bodily harm seems to qualify to me here. 1 plus 1 does equal 2. You dont have to be killed to justify deadly force, its called the threat of deadly force. Not the after effect oh he killed me now I cam shoot em. How was the black guy posing a danger of serious bodily harm here? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:24:29 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have anything that would support those hypotheticals? I mean, if we're going to just casually disregard information that is inconvenient to the narrative lets at least have fun with it and say that he was dead when they got there and the pictures of the event are AI generated or something. Is it hypothetical that the ME declared CoD before tox screen? It isn't hypothetical that people in bad shape can die later as result of neck compression. See the previous NYC case where the cop supposedly choked a fat black guy to death (but didn't actually) |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:27:39 PM EST
[#23]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:28:31 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't see anyone claim seconds to death. Seconds to unconsciousness. Minutes to death. I've studied the subject, some, since I taught it and was responsible for students lives and health. Let's do this. If someone is held underwater, there is no new oxygen being introduced. The average person can remain conscious for a minute or two. Some way longer. Some, not so much. The average person has about 4 minutes before bad stuff starts happening to their brain. Sometimes death. Some can go considerably longer but they're freaks. Cold and youth can have effect. A RNC can cause unconsciousness in as little as 5 seconds, from personal experience. There is one noggin's worth of oxygenated blood available. Not the entire circulatory system. Damage can start way before 4 minutes. Setting all that aside, fucktard on subway was a piece of shit, threatening people, and asked for what he got regardless of what the letter of fucking NYC law says. World is better without him. Was marine a fool? Yes on many levels. First one for even being there. Second one for getting involved. Third one for sticking around. Did he kill him with RNC? Can't say for sure. Did it contribute? Probably. Previous page. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:29:04 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you can't. That's cool. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your line of questioning is completely irrational and I prefer to not entertain a troll. So you can't. That's cool. You have spent this entire thread dodging points and questions, instead of addressing them, by ignoring them and repeating the same question over and over again. edit: Not that you're wrong in the Marine being justified. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, he could have verbalized that he planned to choke that dude out until he was dead because people are sick of his crazy, victimizing bullshit, and I'd still call it good. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:34:50 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize that this thread is about a Marine getting charged over a RNC, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I never mentioned the Marine. You did. I was speaking to you whining about other members claiming they’d shoot someone who had them in a choke hold from behind. You are clearly an unhinged individual. You realize that this thread is about a Marine getting charged over a RNC, right? Then why did you bring up posters in the other thread saying that a choke hold is deadly force? They’re right. You’re wrong. Get over it and grow the fuck up. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:36:49 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Read through the responses in this thread. This is how we lost our nation and society. Crime and leftism are tearing the very fabric of society to shreds and we act like crabs in a bucket when someone dares to do something about it. Indifference, apathy, fear of social persecution, and guilt killed the spirit of this nation. We deserve what we have coming to us, because we refuse to push back against it. And yeah I'll side with a fellow Marine, especially when it puts me at odds with the likes of BLM and AOC.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSKVQsMW_pMIf the Marine wanted to do something about the crime and leftism, he should have choked out the NYC politicians, judges, and DAs that allow crime to take over the city. Killing a schizo on the subway only provides a martyr for the socialists and serves up their next talking point on a platter. A constant supply of martyrs is the goal of flooding the streets with mental incompetents and criminals. It’s the praxis for socialist revolution. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:37:01 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How was the black guy posing a danger of serious bodily harm here? Now your just flip flopping, I meant in reply to shooting someone who is choking you. I dont know why I typed that, just feeding the troll I guess |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:38:07 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it hypothetical that the ME declared CoD before tox screen? It isn't hypothetical that people in bad shape can die later as result of neck compression. See the previous NYC case where the cop supposedly choked a fat black guy to death (but didn't actually) Just ask Chauvin how those underlying conditions matter. Its true that people in bad shape can die later, but as you put it in your post, its still the result of neck compression. Toxicology reports can take months. Given reasonable evidence to do so, pressing charges before tox reports come in is standard practice. The city said they were going wait until the autopsy was back before deciding to press charges. Since they've gone ahead with the charges, its reasonable to say that the autopsy provided reasonable evidence to press charges. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:38:11 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't see anyone claim seconds to death. Seconds to unconsciousness. Minutes to death. I've studied the subject, some, since I taught it and was responsible for students lives and health. Let's do this. If someone is held underwater, there is no new oxygen being introduced. The average person can remain conscious for a minute or two. Some way longer. Some, not so much. The average person has about 4 minutes before bad stuff starts happening to their brain. Sometimes death. Some can go considerably longer but they're freaks. Cold and youth can have effect. A RNC can cause unconsciousness in as little as 5 seconds, from personal experience. There is one noggin's worth of oxygenated blood available. Not the entire circulatory system. Damage can start way before 4 minutes. Setting all that aside, fucktard on subway was a piece of shit, threatening people, and asked for what he got regardless of what the letter of fucking NYC law says. World is better without him. Was marine a fool? Yes on many levels. First one for even being there. Second one for getting involved. Third one for sticking around. Did he kill him with RNC? Can't say for sure. Did it contribute? Probably. Previous page. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/266317/seconds_-_Copy-2805586.jpg My follow up post said minutes to death. You even replied to it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:40:22 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have spent this entire thread dodging points and questions, instead of addressing them, by ignoring them and repeating the same question over and over again. edit: Not that you're wrong in the Marine being justified. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, he could have verbalized that he planned to choke that dude out until he was dead because people are sick of his crazy, victimizing bullshit, and I'd still call it good. A question that no one really wants to answer. Why should I jump through everyones hoops when they won't even answer a simple question? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:42:15 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My follow up post said minutes to death. You even replied to it. Yep. You backtracked on your post and still continued to argue with me, even when saying minutes just like me. Do I really need to piece together the whole quote tree? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:43:17 PM EST
[#33]
NYC Mayor Eric Adams slams 'irresponsible' AOC for calling Marine who put violent subway passenger Jordan Neely, 30, in fatal chokehold a 'murderer'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12045021/Eric-Adams-starts-war-words-AOC-Jordan-Neely-death.html |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:43:33 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now your just flip flopping, I meant in reply to shooting someone who is choking you. I dont know why I typed that, just feeding the troll I guess I asked the guy a question specifically about the Marine in New York. You tried to answer it with a generic answer. Its not my fault you walked into a conversation mid way through and didn't know what you were talking about. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:43:55 PM EST
[#35]
He touched the Brahmin. As a white, you can't do that in America. Under penalty of law.
I don't want to be in a political union or mutual self defense pact with people who demand my people be so incomprehensibly cuckolded. I can only hope that we are no longer governed by this evil empire in the future. The sooner the better. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:44:28 PM EST
[#36]
40 prior arrests?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:44:42 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why did you bring up posters in the other thread saying that a choke hold is deadly force? They’re right. You’re wrong. Get over it and grow the fuck up. Asked and answered. Man, you're really unhinged by all this aren't you? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:46:04 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. You backtracked on your post and still continued to argue with me, even when saying minutes just like me. Do I really need to piece together the whole quote tree? You misrepresented what I said in another thread. I can reasonably assume you're doing the same here without reading entire thread. That is all. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:46:12 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Marine wanted to do something about the crime and leftism, he should have choked out the NYC politicians, judges, and DAs that allow crime to take over the city. Killing a schizo on the subway only provides a martyr for the socialists and serves up their next talking point on a platter. A constant supply of martyrs is the goal of flooding the streets with mental incompetents and criminals. It’s the praxis for socialist revolution. And you learn nothing from them. It's a team sport, support your team. As an educated person, you have to eventually come to the conclusion that the smart play is, ironically, to ignore the subtleties of the situation and embrace all of the outrage-bait in a bid to mobilize your own people. It's the only way humans have ever fought. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:46:49 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NYC Mayor Eric Adams slams 'irresponsible' AOC for calling Marine who put violent subway passenger Jordan Neely, 30, in fatal chokehold a 'murderer' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12045021/Eric-Adams-starts-war-words-AOC-Jordan-Neely-death.html Well, because Adams doesn't want a change of venue to Whiteyburg upstate. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:49:16 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have anything that would support those hypotheticals? I mean, if we're going to just casually disregard information that is inconvenient to the narrative lets at least have fun with it and say that he was dead when they got there and the pictures of the event are AI generated or something. Nah, I'm sure the NYC coroner is the ONE NYC .gov official that is honest, forthright, and has no agenda. Sad as it is, it is 100% correct to take ANYTHING from a .gov source as "probably false, or biased to an extreme." |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:54:15 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, so what do you feel comfortable calling it when a guy uses unjustified deadly force that ends up killing someone? That part is for the court to decide. Not you. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:55:12 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. You backtracked on your post and still continued to argue with me, even when saying minutes just like me. Do I really need to piece together the whole quote tree? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My follow up post said minutes to death. You even replied to it. Yep. You backtracked on your post and still continued to argue with me, even when saying minutes just like me. Do I really need to piece together the whole quote tree? Nope, there’s no need. Thanks for the offer though. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:56:48 PM EST
[#44]
So, if the 2 or 3 other people "helping" testify they were also "in fear of their lives"...../case dismissed?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:57:17 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG: That part is for the court to decide. Not you. Its really a shame since, as I previously posted, I don't believe that he used deadly force at all. This Marine would be in a lot better place if it was up to me as opposed to the courts. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:57:30 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Marine wanted to do something about the crime and leftism, he should have choked out the NYC politicians, judges, and DAs that allow crime to take over the city. Killing a schizo on the subway only provides a martyr for the socialists and serves up their next talking point on a platter. A constant supply of martyrs is the goal of flooding the streets with mental incompetents and criminals. It’s the praxis for socialist revolution. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Read through the responses in this thread. This is how we lost our nation and society. Crime and leftism are tearing the very fabric of society to shreds and we act like crabs in a bucket when someone dares to do something about it. Indifference, apathy, fear of social persecution, and guilt killed the spirit of this nation. We deserve what we have coming to us, because we refuse to push back against it. And yeah I'll side with a fellow Marine, especially when it puts me at odds with the likes of BLM and AOC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSKVQsMW_pMIf the Marine wanted to do something about the crime and leftism, he should have choked out the NYC politicians, judges, and DAs that allow crime to take over the city. Killing a schizo on the subway only provides a martyr for the socialists and serves up their next talking point on a platter. A constant supply of martyrs is the goal of flooding the streets with mental incompetents and criminals. It’s the praxis for socialist revolution. Case in point. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 2:59:40 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A question that no one really wants to answer. Why should I jump through everyones hoops when they won't even answer a simple question? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have spent this entire thread dodging points and questions, instead of addressing them, by ignoring them and repeating the same question over and over again. edit: Not that you're wrong in the Marine being justified. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, he could have verbalized that he planned to choke that dude out until he was dead because people are sick of his crazy, victimizing bullshit, and I'd still call it good. A question that no one really wants to answer. Why should I jump through everyones hoops when they won't even answer a simple question? A RNC applied by someone you don't know, and aren't clear on their intentions? Depending on the application, it may or may not be deadly force, but it is absolutely to be interpreted as a threat of deadly force that would put any reasonable person in a state of fear for their life. Doesn't always work out that way in court, unfortunately. Had a fight between a drunk dad and his drunk adult son. Both lived in the same house and dad was getting pissed because son kept dropping F bombs. Dad attempts to remove son from the house by force (not legal to do so, son is a legal resident), son tried to prevent dad from dragging him out of the house, dad admitted to me that he then put his son in a RNC to "put him out so I could drag him out." Son stabs dad in the forearm with a pocket knife to get out of the RNC, then runs out of the house. I show up on scene and dad tells me the story. Dad needs to go to the hospital. I planned on talking to my sgt who arrived on scene after about charging dad and arresting him as the predominant aggressor... before I had a chance to make that call, sgt finds son and immediately arrests him  because "Well... he used a knife." (yeah, to get out of a fucking choke hold so he could escape).Sgt charges son with a felony, I refer charges for dad for DC (can't arrest both parties involved in a domestic incident so there goes arresting dad), battery, strangulation... since son got arrested the DA pursued charges against the son and dropped everything against dad. Which is where this Marine's situation comes in to play. Sometimes the system is corrupt, sometimes the police are retarded, some times the DA is retarded... just avoid the system at all costs. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 3:03:38 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its really a shame since, as I previously posted, I don't believe that he used deadly force at all. This Marine would be in a lot better place if it was up to me as opposed to the courts. If you're striking critical areas like the neck and head, choking or using illegal weapons, you ought to be bet your bippie it will rise to the level of deadly force in a coastal city, |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 3:05:57 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And you learn nothing from them. It's a team sport, support your team. As an educated person, you have to eventually come to the conclusion that the smart play is, ironically, to ignore the subtleties of the situation and embrace all of the outrage-bait in a bid to mobilize your own people. It's the only way humans have ever fought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the Marine wanted to do something about the crime and leftism, he should have choked out the NYC politicians, judges, and DAs that allow crime to take over the city. Killing a schizo on the subway only provides a martyr for the socialists and serves up their next talking point on a platter. A constant supply of martyrs is the goal of flooding the streets with mental incompetents and criminals. It’s the praxis for socialist revolution. And you learn nothing from them. It's a team sport, support your team. As an educated person, you have to eventually come to the conclusion that the smart play is, ironically, to ignore the subtleties of the situation and embrace all of the outrage-bait in a bid to mobilize your own people. It's the only way humans have ever fought. Learning from the socialists would be waiting until schizo guy kills someone sympathetic on the train. Then you have a martyr to coalesce behind for when you riot and burn the city for more law and order. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2023 3:12:19 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just ask Chauvin how those underlying conditions matter. Its true that people in bad shape can die later, but as you put it in your post, its still the result of neck compression. Toxicology reports can take months. Given reasonable evidence to do so, pressing charges before tox reports come in is standard practice. The city said they were going wait until the autopsy was back before deciding to press charges. Since they've gone ahead with the charges, its reasonable to say that the autopsy provided reasonable evidence to press charges. Why are you lying about charges being filed already? Troll much? |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
