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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:40:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: F the Police in this situation. Why? |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:41:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. For those GD internet commandoes; remember that the store owner can't be there 100% of the time, 100% alert. It only takes a few minutes in the dead of night to get a good fire started with molotovs that will render the business unusable for weeks to months thanks to fire/building/safety codes. Could OP have handled this a bit better? Yeah. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. Instead of shitting on him, read his OP carefully, specifically this part: OP was in the classic Koyabashu Maru "no win" situation and he handled it as well as he could; especially with no support from the local police. Downside is that he's going to have to spend some of his future profits to counter such tactics: 1.) As previously stated by others, introduce a signed contract that explains the deposit policy clearly and what happens if you don't make your appointment. 2.) start videotaping/recording everything -- all calls going in and out of the store -- and set up some sort of boom/remote microphone setup so that conversations at the front counter can be recorded. Short term solution, start carrying a small USB recorder in your front pocket -- but this isn't ideal -- because people forget the USB recorder, and you might not always be in the store managing it -- hence the need for a permanent installed surveillance system. EDIT: I just read the whole thread -- and OP (BDA) said that the interior video was unusable due to the COVID mask the asshole was wearing muffling his voice and making it unrecognizable to the surveillance system.  3.) Look into relocating away from your present location -- the police have shown themselves to be useless, yet your taxes pay for them, and you still have to deal with city/local inspectors harassing you for compliance with code. Finally, he's not posting this for "look at me, I handled this so well!" commentary. He's posting it as advance warning! I know that GD has 12" cocks, drives Lamborghinis, and spends the weekends on their 100 foot yachts in the Caymans, but we also have a lot of small business owners on here. That warning is intended for them -- specifically the detailed writeups of the tactics the customer (and later BLM) utilized; so that counters can be devised. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sadly, this is the current reality and for those that want to talk tough from a key board don't understand the ramifications. Sure, parlor owner could just say fuck off, but chances are his business will be burned down and then he's left dealing with insurance as no investigation will lead to anything. LE won't lift a finger except to put up the yellow investigation tape. I do think OP should have recorded the tape and sent it to both his local LE, FBI, and any conservative radio/TV stations in the area as proof of illegal extortion attempts from BLM. It may very well backfire, but there are few options and these bastards won't engage you during daylight hours without police escorts and most store owners can't afford after-hours security. This. For those GD internet commandoes; remember that the store owner can't be there 100% of the time, 100% alert. It only takes a few minutes in the dead of night to get a good fire started with molotovs that will render the business unusable for weeks to months thanks to fire/building/safety codes. Could OP have handled this a bit better? Yeah. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. Instead of shitting on him, read his OP carefully, specifically this part: Guy calls studio 10-15 minutes, informs me he is coming back to shoot everyone in the building. Tells me to call the cops, and "pray they get there before me".. plus the usual urban language.. ranting and raving.. etc.. We call cops again. Guy does not show.. 2 new cops come in about 10 minutes AFTER we called (the police dept is less than .5 miles away.. ), and again are polite, but, refuse to do anything. They ask us for his plate.. his name.. we explain they should have it, "they were just here, they escorted him to his car". They tell me that they didn't hear the threat.. and so if he doesn't show up, nothing will happen. No charges. Nothing. I literally say "so a guy threatens to come commit a mass shooting.. 10 minutes after the other two cops just had to remove him from here... and you wont do anything". Their answer is "Nope. Call us if he comes back". I inform them that we are armed, and if the guy comes back.. we will have no choice but to assume he is here to commit a mass shooting... and act accordingly. Both cops agreed that I should certainly do that... then call them. OP was in the classic Koyabashu Maru "no win" situation and he handled it as well as he could; especially with no support from the local police. Downside is that he's going to have to spend some of his future profits to counter such tactics: 1.) As previously stated by others, introduce a signed contract that explains the deposit policy clearly and what happens if you don't make your appointment. 2.) start videotaping/recording everything -- all calls going in and out of the store -- and set up some sort of boom/remote microphone setup so that conversations at the front counter can be recorded. Short term solution, start carrying a small USB recorder in your front pocket -- but this isn't ideal -- because people forget the USB recorder, and you might not always be in the store managing it -- hence the need for a permanent installed surveillance system. EDIT: I just read the whole thread -- and OP (BDA) said that the interior video was unusable due to the COVID mask the asshole was wearing muffling his voice and making it unrecognizable to the surveillance system. 3.) Look into relocating away from your present location -- the police have shown themselves to be useless, yet your taxes pay for them, and you still have to deal with city/local inspectors harassing you for compliance with code. Finally, he's not posting this for "look at me, I handled this so well!" commentary. He's posting it as advance warning! I know that GD has 12" cocks, drives Lamborghinis, and spends the weekends on their 100 foot yachts in the Caymans, but we also have a lot of small business owners on here. That warning is intended for them -- specifically the detailed writeups of the tactics the customer (and later BLM) utilized; so that counters can be devised. Fucking dork-posting for real This isn't some bullshit TV show trope He wins by standing up for himself He loses by giving in to racial terrorists Everything that comes after that is irrelevant to the choice he was faced with He chose wrong, he fucked up and enabled the worst of dyscivic behavior Some men live to be examples of what not to do, while OP deserves nothing less than scorn - we can still learn from him What an embarrassment |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:41:58 AM EDT
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Disappointing ending.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:42:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: especially with no support from the local police. He said he called twice, he said they came within minutes twice, how did he not get support? Were they supposed to call out a SWAT team, set up on all four corners and cover the rooftops? Maybe bring in some K9's and air support? LRAD the streets? |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:42:44 AM EDT
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you lost me at "upscale tattoo studio"
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:44:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Truth and then throwing that last paragraph in the OP makes it even worse.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Truth and then throwing that last paragraph in the OP makes it even worse. . . . . . The only way to stand against that sort of intimidation, is to be willing to make a stand, protect your livelihood.. and hope your friends show up to help. Thank god we have hundreds of friends of all races and backgrounds who would show up to help. 
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:46:35 AM EDT
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Michigan is lost, you have a pitted face governor horror and mass vote cheating, the liberals have taken that state likely for good. Move to a free state, don't know what else to say
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:46:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You showed them their tactics work. Yep. Way to stand up to them. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:47:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:49:08 AM EDT
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Every single retail job I've ever had forced us to stick to policy, then if an angry customer called the "home office" or our district manager, 100% of the time they would cave on the angry customer's demands as the amount of money lost wasn't worth the long term effects of the problem. Everyone wants to be tough on a guy for doing what he thought was right for his business and his employees. Everyone loves throwing around the dumbest fucking word ever created, "cuck", while telling him through your keyboard that his tattoo business is laughably not upscale. You guys piss me off and I would have a beer with OP before any of you fags any day of the week.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:51:17 AM EDT
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The BLM guy that you talked to is going to call back soon and offer you a chance to make regular "donations".
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:51:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He said he called twice, he said they came within minutes twice, how did he not get support? Were they supposed to call out a SWAT team, set up on all four corners and cover the rooftops? Maybe bring in some K9's and air support? LRAD the streets? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: especially with no support from the local police. He said he called twice, he said they came within minutes twice, how did he not get support? Were they supposed to call out a SWAT team, set up on all four corners and cover the rooftops? Maybe bring in some K9's and air support? LRAD the streets? I agree with the OP that cops are more cucked than ever. "We showed up" is not support. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:51:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every single retail job I've ever had forced us to stick to policy, then if an angry customer called the "home office" or our district manager, 100% of the time they would cave on the angry customer's demands as the amount of money lost wasn't worth the long term effects of the problem. Everyone wants to be tough on a guy for doing what he thought was right for his business and his employees. Everyone loves throwing around the dumbest fucking word ever created, "cuck", while telling him through your keyboard that his tattoo business is laughably not upscale. You guys piss me off and I would have a beer with OP before any of you fags any day of the week. I'd have a beer with the OP too I know one easy trick to make sure he always pays 
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:52:13 AM EDT
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You spent WAY too much time engaging these fuckwits.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:53:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only way I see his solution as viable is if his business is in the hood, it would then be chalked up to the the cost of doing business. Being as it is a self described "upscale tattoo parlor", I doubt this was in the hood. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see a lot of folks saying "you caved" and " you pushed out". Having your business burned to the ground in the middle of a gun fight isn't a great business model. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if this escalated to the point that deadly force was justified, OP would be facing charges. Not worth keeping the deposit. Only way I see his solution as viable is if his business is in the hood, it would then be chalked up to the the cost of doing business. Being as it is a self described "upscale tattoo parlor", I doubt this was in the hood. Genesee county is the home of Flint. One of the biggest shit holes in MI. There’s nothing upscale in Flint. OP was dragged into a shit situation, but he is basically Bob Hope in Mogadishu, based on his location. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:54:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd have a beer with the OP too I know one easy trick to make sure he always pays Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every single retail job I've ever had forced us to stick to policy, then if an angry customer called the "home office" or our district manager, 100% of the time they would cave on the angry customer's demands as the amount of money lost wasn't worth the long term effects of the problem. Everyone wants to be tough on a guy for doing what he thought was right for his business and his employees. Everyone loves throwing around the dumbest fucking word ever created, "cuck", while telling him through your keyboard that his tattoo business is laughably not upscale. You guys piss me off and I would have a beer with OP before any of you fags any day of the week. I'd have a beer with the OP too I know one easy trick to make sure he always pays The BLM is the long term effect of being a cuck. Seriously. ETA: any relationship to Jimmy Carter? |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:54:47 AM EDT
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Is OP somewhere near Detroit (suburbs)??
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:55:12 AM EDT
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No refunds....... I wouldn’t have given him anything back
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:55:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The BLM guy that you talked to is going to call back soon and offer you a chance to make regular "donations". For just 19 dollars a month... |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:57:49 AM EDT
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I'd keep a bucket of pennies behind the counter just for situations like that. Heres your fifty. Now go pound sand.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 8:59:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Phone call came in on studio line with no way to record... and when he started going on about coming back to kill everyone, I was on the cell with one ear with 911, and him on the other. I will be looking at better phone system with possibility of pushing a button to record what is on the line. Thanks for relaying your story! If that's a landline then you can get a system that will record everything automatically and store the audio on a hard drive. They're usually easy to set up and you don't have to worry about an employee pushing a button on a stressful call. Just make sure that your employees all know it's there since MI is a one-party consent state. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:00:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every single retail job I've ever had forced us to stick to policy, then if an angry customer called the "home office" or our district manager, 100% of the time they would cave on the angry customer's demands as the amount of money lost wasn't worth the long term effects of the problem. Everyone wants to be tough on a guy for doing what he thought was right for his business and his employees. Everyone loves throwing around the dumbest fucking word ever created, "cuck", while telling him through your keyboard that his tattoo business is laughably not upscale. You guys piss me off and I would have a beer with OP before any of you fags any day of the week. Every business has pretty much the policy you are talking about. Difference being the OP didn't refund the money and decided to take a stand. The going got rough and OP retreated. When you agree to fight, you fight. Enjoy your beer with the OP. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:01:07 AM EDT
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If the OP had done anything physically to that black man, regardless of reasonable self defense, the powers that be would have chewed him up and spit him out instantly. (With the MSM hot on his heels constantly.)
This is ESPECIALLY the case in Michigan with our radical left wing white suburban lesbian woman as the Attorney General. Blacks are emboldened now to use racism to get their way in anything and everything they do or want. That's the way it is......file that away into a permanent memory section of your brain. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:01:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Upscale... Tattoo... Studio... LOL... |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:02:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is OP somewhere near Detroit (suburbs)?? Genesee County. Same county as Flint. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:02:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Genesee county is the home of Flint. One of the biggest shit holes in MI. There’s nothing upscale in Flint. OP was dragged into a shit situation, but he is basically Bob Hope in Mogadishu, based on his location. So basically he is running the equivalent of a Ruth Chris steakhouse in Liberia ? |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:03:03 AM EDT
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If you are trying to just get by, hold onto your quality of life, keep the house, the kids Sat morning sports, enjoy going out...... you have already lost it. Things have changed. The cops are NOT on our side, they just follow orders. Legal vs illegal, not right vs wrong.
If your mindset is not one that you are ready to defend yourself against all enemies, in or out of uniform, then you are in trouble. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:04:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As the owner of two businesses I agree with what you did. Sometimes you just need to cut your losses and see the bigger picture. I would hate to do it and would be pissed off as hell, but what choice did you have? It's easy to monday morning this, but this is your business and your life. You did nothing wrong. If I lived near you I'd back you any day of the week. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Amazing... I also own two business. Op did fine. Also every encounter you have you learn from. I learn from the people I deal with every day. Overall op did well and he and his crew have learned a lot. 50.00 is nothing in this case. Cops are MIA... so I get two choices. I can meet them in the middle over $50 or I can piss on their leg to show dominance, and end up in court after I have to defend our store from a government backed mob. How much do you think a brick thru a plate glass window costs? $50? $500? How much would my legal fees be to stay out of prison after I am forced to shoot some idiot about to toss a gas bomb thru my window? $50 is nothing... Cucked? Hardly.. Cucked would be painting their bullshit on our front window to appease the mob. And yeah.. their tactics do work.. thus the point. The cops wont even blink about driving away and leaving you to deal with a group of people who will openly tell you they are going to destroy you. As the owner of two businesses I agree with what you did. Sometimes you just need to cut your losses and see the bigger picture. I would hate to do it and would be pissed off as hell, but what choice did you have? It's easy to monday morning this, but this is your business and your life. You did nothing wrong. If I lived near you I'd back you any day of the week. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:04:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Genesee County. Same county as Flint. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is OP somewhere near Detroit (suburbs)?? Genesee County. Same county as Flint. AG Nessel would do everything in her power to destroy the OP if he had to use reasonable force against that clown who forgot about his appointment. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:05:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Genesee County. Same county as Flint. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is OP somewhere near Detroit (suburbs)?? Genesee County. Same county as Flint. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:05:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People who get tattoos are scum of the earth. Quod Erat Demonstrandum. My veteran father had a tattoo before he joined. Then he got two more. You would have never said that to his face. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:05:32 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's a landline then you can get a system that will record everything automatically and store the audio on a hard drive. They're usually easy to set up and you don't have to worry about an employee pushing a button on a stressful call. Just make sure that your employees all know it's there since MI is a one-party consent state. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Phone call came in on studio line with no way to record... and when he started going on about coming back to kill everyone, I was on the cell with one ear with 911, and him on the other. I will be looking at better phone system with possibility of pushing a button to record what is on the line. Thanks for relaying your story! If that's a landline then you can get a system that will record everything automatically and store the audio on a hard drive. They're usually easy to set up and you don't have to worry about an employee pushing a button on a stressful call. Just make sure that your employees all know it's there since MI is a one-party consent state. "All calls are monitored for safety and training purposes " seems to work for any bill collector that has ever called me 
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:06:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The BLM guy that you talked to is going to call back soon and offer you a chance to make regular "donations". "Here's your chance to make it right and show that you support us and support equality. With your donations, we can assure that our members know that you are a trusted supporter and when we have to show the community, through protests how serious the problem is, we will make sure your business is safe from any agitators that show up to our peaceful protests by staying away from your business with our protests, drawing them away from you. Your donation will be used to raise awareness and help provide Diversity Coaching for other businesses who are not as tolerant as yourself. That will be $1000 please." It's always a shakedown. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:07:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every single retail job I've ever had forced us to stick to policy, then if an angry customer called the "home office" or our district manager, 100% of the time they would cave on the angry customer's demands as the amount of money lost wasn't worth the long term effects of the problem. Everyone wants to be tough on a guy for doing what he thought was right for his business and his employees. Everyone loves throwing around the dumbest fucking word ever created, "cuck", while telling him through your keyboard that his tattoo business is laughably not upscale. You guys piss me off and I would have a beer with OP before any of you fags any day of the week.   |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:07:31 AM EDT
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In your business there might be an advantage to catering to some 1%'rs for protection.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:11:04 AM EDT
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Good on you for not stealing that black mans money and admitting you were wrong. Now, you just need to acknowledge your whiteness and you may be on the path to recovery.
Question is, would you have done the same for a white or asian man? You do you bro. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:11:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AG Nessel would do everything in her power to destroy the OP if had to use reasonable force against that clown who forgot about his appointment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is OP somewhere near Detroit (suburbs)?? Genesee County. Same county as Flint. AG Nessel would do everything in her power to destroy the OP if had to use reasonable force against that clown who forgot about his appointment. You mean used reasonable force to defend his property from theft? The guy made a contract and backed out. That 50 was the OP free and clear. This was extortion, which is usually against some laws. Yall should have backed those guys and helped remove witmer. At some point you either cower or stand up. Hoping that Hollywood and the music industry will come to your rescue is not an option. The voting booth is not an option. Continuing to follow the law when it is against you will not do anything. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:20:12 AM EDT
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Fuck GD, do what you got to do OP
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:20:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Figure out whatever biker gang in your area is the most violent. Give their bosses free tattoos in exchange for protection. Call them next time. 
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:20:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every business has pretty much the policy you are talking about. Difference being the OP didn't refund the money and decided to take a stand. The going got rough and OP retreated. When you agree to fight, you fight. Enjoy your beer with the OP. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every single retail job I've ever had forced us to stick to policy, then if an angry customer called the "home office" or our district manager, 100% of the time they would cave on the angry customer's demands as the amount of money lost wasn't worth the long term effects of the problem. Everyone wants to be tough on a guy for doing what he thought was right for his business and his employees. Everyone loves throwing around the dumbest fucking word ever created, "cuck", while telling him through your keyboard that his tattoo business is laughably not upscale. You guys piss me off and I would have a beer with OP before any of you fags any day of the week. Every business has pretty much the policy you are talking about. Difference being the OP didn't refund the money and decided to take a stand. The going got rough and OP retreated. When you agree to fight, you fight. Enjoy your beer with the OP. PRINCIPLES...you either have them and stick to them, or you dont. It's gonna cost you sometimes, but then again, you wont be a cuck, either. It's a worker's market out there now, so stand by your principles and walk if you must. If you own the business then why would it be an issue? 'This Is The Company Policy. Period, Fucking DOT. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:21:43 AM EDT
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I would have done the same OP. Just not worth the trouble. You know what, so would 90% of the people here calling you a cuck. It’s easy to be tough on the internet.
$50 is a joke, but muh pRinsiPulLz..... The one condition to the refund however would have been him coming down in person and admitting he acted like a child and that we were following our well established policy and he made several mistakes in the encounter. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:22:10 AM EDT
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Just to be clear, OP didn't cave in to the black man in front of him, he caved in to a black man on the phone that claimed to be BLM and had no business in this matter. For anyone in Michigan with black friends this could be a business opportunity.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:22:30 AM EDT
[#43]
If it were me I would have told the BLM guy to get fucked, and beat the shit out of that kid. Because this is the internet and I can talk all kind of tough guy bullshit without backing it up.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:22:35 AM EDT
[#44]
You handled it well. I don't fault you for giving the money back. Sometimes it costs money to save money.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:24:20 AM EDT
[#45]
Should have taped the phone conversation by the BLM thug and taped / videoed the customer making his treats.
That along with vid of the cops refusing to do anything, would have probably amounted to a nice payday for you after your lawyer became involved
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:25:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with the OP that cops are more cucked than ever. "We showed up" is not support. I noticed you failed to share with us what they (police) could have legally done. I'm listening, do tell... |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:26:42 AM EDT
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Hey OP. When they come by again next week for another $50 to prevent anything happening to your business you are going to give it to them, right?
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:26:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe we need to get off our asses and show this goes both ways. Fires have a way of breaking out at the oddest places. But as long as we continue to "follow the law" then we are screwed. Sun effing Tzu. One side has decided to fight a war, the other is holding firm to its Marcus of Queensbury rules.... Ah there's the white supremacist domestic terrorists the leftists warned us about! |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:27:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should have taped the phone conversation by the BLM thug and taped / videoed the customer making his treats. That along with vid of the cops refusing to do anything, would have probably amounted to a nice payday for you after your lawyer became involved I'm telling you it wouldn't have mattered in Michigan with our radical leftist AG. "Over a deposit white man!!??".  The long arm of the law would have destroyed the OP had he done anything physical to the douche bag in Michigan. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 9:28:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are in a race war. We just refuse to admit it. The sad part is that 90% of people (from both races) want nothing to do with a race war. The actions of the 10% will be thrust in front of you 24/7 with the goal of convincing you that you need to hate your fellow man because of the color of his skin. The reality is you need to hate your fellow man for not knowing how to show up on time. I wouldn’t have refunded him shit. If 10%of white people wanted a race war, the war would be over. |
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