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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:20:25 AM EDT
[#1]
I like how the most important thing was that the OP and his business weren't racist
Did you ask the guy to say he wasn't going to shoot up the place and kill you and all your employees? Or is being "not racist" enough? |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:23:22 AM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:24:35 AM EDT
[#3]
8 pages, all of that drama for $50?
LOL, I wouldn't care what color he is, I'd have given him his $50 and told him don't come back. None of that shit is worth $50,holy hell you've wasted more than $50 worth of your time fucking with him, his shithouse lawyer, the useless fucking cops, and now here. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:25:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ironic post is ironic. It’s interesting how many people shit on the OP without mentioning what they actually did in similar situations. Wonder why that is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Ironic post is ironic. It’s interesting how many people shit on the OP without mentioning what they actually did in similar situations. Wonder why that is. Oh, I dunno....Maybe they havent put themselves into that position to begin with? Just spit-ballin here, but maybe some of us fucking walked when management tried to make them go against a legitimate store policy, rather than stand on principles? Just sayin... I’m not thrilled by how the story ended either, but as I’m not willing to drive to the OPs business to provide 24/7 security for the next six months I’m not going to talk shit either. Some of us arent willing to stick our heads in the sand, and maybe we might convince others to not back down in the future. Maybe cucks need the error of their ways pointed out...a sort of learning moment. Folks, this shit aint getting any fucking better, at least not anytime soon . . . and surely not until it gets a lot fucking worse. You either stand up and stick to your guns or STFU and step the fuck aside....and maybe not post about being a willful cuck on an internet forum full of angry, based, patriotic men who excel in chewing those types out. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:27:05 AM EDT
[#5]
FPNI
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:31:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, both of these are correct. I hate to agree but this is precisely why they’re doing this. Money and Power with racism as a weapon. Jesse Jackson pioneered this and ‘normalized’ it, BLM has just weaponized it. I get from a business point of view you agreed to refund the deposit, it wasn’t worth the hassle but as others have said this only emboldens these types. This will get far, far worse before it gets better but for Damn sure it’s creating a shitton of racism. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:33:05 AM EDT
[#7]
Should have told the BLM guy, you want discrimination? Because this is how you get discrimination.
New store policy, no service to certain demographics. It ain't worth it. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:33:55 AM EDT
[#8]
The cops could've done more. Communicating a verbal threat, such as a bom.b or mass murder is a criminal offense. Sounds like they were lazy. You couldn't pay me enough money to live or work in Michigan.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:35:15 AM EDT
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Fuck dude. You caved after all that? Appeasement doesn't work. It bought you time, but things will be worse in the future. You will either be extorted further, boycotted, vandalized, burglarized, or on the news for your racism.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:35:47 AM EDT
[#10]
Should’ve told the burn loot murder faggots to come make your day instead of talking to those animals for 40 mins.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:37:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate to agree but this is precisely why they’re doing this. Money and Power with racism as a weapon. Jesse Jackson pioneered this and ‘normalized’ it, BLM has just weaponized it. I get from a business point of view you agreed to refund the deposit, it wasn’t worth the hassle but as others have said this only emboldens these types. This will get far, far worse before it gets better but for Damn sure it’s creating a shitton of racism. This, sadly is the new normal. Lesson learned at a low price. Audio/video of every encounter. Spend the money, it will deter stuff like this in the future. Document (now) what happened with sworn affidavits and save any recordings in case they come back for a free meal. Wait for this guy to do it again or get arrested and hand it over to any one who will publicize it. Its really the only way to fight back. Sorry you have a business that has to do business with the public, including sociopathic losers but this ain't going t get better. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:39:56 AM EDT
[#12]
More proof the cops side with the thugs.
Good luck you good people. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:40:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Continuous "compromise" is how we've gotten ourselves to where we are today. Yep . . . boiling frog, and all that. And yet still, the Nancy's keep justifying the actions of sheep.   |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:43:45 AM EDT
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Deal with trash and you're going to get stink on you. Just because its an upscale version of it doesn't make it stop being trash. You do what you want to make a living but that's what you are going to get. Same thing when I worked the used gun counter at a gun store in the less than stellar part of town. One of the reasons I finally quit was I just got tired of arguing with arrogant stupid and demanding customers over a $200 gun. Same dude you had several times but he's standing in front of you with a pistol in his hand.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:44:19 AM EDT
[#15]
There is one, and only one, solution to this kind of problem.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:45:12 AM EDT
[#16]
This kind of thing is going to get way worse, and people will sit and watch and hope nobody accuses them of being a racist on Facebook.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:46:22 AM EDT
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OP, just understand 90% of your black friends will bail on you rather than be called uncle toms. The 10% that might take your side are probably more worried about getting entangled with the losers of BLM.
Seriously, if this is your professional life you need to harden up all aspects of your operation, from recording all phone call, which should have a dedicated stand a lone number vs a half dozen cell numbers to video surveillance that covers the approaches. Basically if your business is not set up like a jewelry store in the hood you need to adjust some of your policies. You can be a politically hard target and still be open and friendly to 99% of the population. Fuck the people that tell you you cucked without having to go through something similar. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:51:56 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 8 pages, all of that drama for $50? LOL, I wouldn't care what color he is, I'd have given him his $50 and told him don't come back. None of that shit is worth $50,holy hell you've wasted more than $50 worth of your time fucking with him, his shithouse lawyer, the useless fucking cops, and now here. This. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:57:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, you should have given him the deposit back at the very first sign that he was going to be a problem. If you had done that, the BLM deal never would have happened. Sometimes you have to fire customers and when you do, 50 bucks is a cheap severance - as you readily admit. But, you tried to be a tough guy and hold his feet to the fire over 50 dollars and by doing so, you are the one who put your employees and business at risk. Actually, you should go further and allow a manager on site to make those decisions so that you wouldn't have even been involved. Make a simple determination - this guy is going to be a problem, give him his money back so he'll go away. That should be policy no matter the skin color. Had you done that, none of this would be happening. And this isn't just Monday morning quarterbacking. This is just common sense and should have been easy for you to see from the beginning. To add to that criticism - posting this thread in a public forum was a bad idea. Some of the shit you have posted can be used to make you look even worse if they wanted to. Not to mention, you have shown that you consort with retarded gun nuts in GD.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 10:59:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Field interrogation report, trespass warning....hell how about just a general information report. Next question As long as it's being framed within "legal"  Interrogation for what crime? You do know this falls under the auspice of a civil matter, don't you? No crime was alleged by either party at the first visit, and the police do not "trespass", the owner/manager of the property does. If the police did not trespass when they were there the first time, it's because the owner/manager didn't want it. Also, where was it stated a report was/was not taken? Based on the story it seems as if the OP just wanted him gone, the police came, and he left. And since no crime was alleged, the police legally could not demand ID. So yes legal framing is important. In fact, my guess is you would be the first to cry about legality if this was a gun owner not suspected of committing a crime yet ID was being demanded. As to the call and supposed verbal threat after police left, it cannot be proven and he never showed so there really isn't anything that can be done. People make threats all the time, and people lie about being threatened all the time, so unless there is something that can be corroborated and/or verified by police there is little they can do. If he did come back and make threats then maybe they could act, if he came back and was in possession of a gun then there is defiantly things they can do. But a single unsubstantiated verbal threat is next to impossible for the legal system to act upon. What would your position be if in this same scenario, the customer called police and said the owner threatened to get a noose and hang him because he was a _______. Would you cry if police didn't arrest the owner? Would you cry if police arrested the owner? All based on an unverifiable claim made by one individual. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:02:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interrogation for what crime? You do know this falls under the auspice of a civil matter, don't you? No crime was alleged by either party at the first visit, and the police do not "trespass", the owner/manager of the property does. If the police did not trespass when they were there the first time, it's because the owner/manager didn't want it. Also, where was it stated a report was/was not taken? Based on the story it seems as if the OP just wanted him gone, the police came, and he left. And since no crime was alleged, the police legally could not demand ID. So yes legal framing is important. In fact, my guess is you would be the first to cry about legality if this was a gun owner not suspected of committing a crime yet ID was being demanded. As to the call and supposed verbal threat after police left, it cannot be proven and he never showed so there really isn't anything that can be done. People make threats all the time, and people lie about being threatened all the time, so unless there is something that can be corroborated and/or verified by police. What would your position be if in this same scenario, the customer called police and said the owner threatened to get a noose and hang him because he was a _______. Would you cry if police didn't arrest the owner? Would you cry if police arrested the owner? All based on an unverifiable claim made by one individual. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Field interrogation report, trespass warning....hell how about just a general information report. Next question As long as it's being framed within "legal" Interrogation for what crime? You do know this falls under the auspice of a civil matter, don't you? No crime was alleged by either party at the first visit, and the police do not "trespass", the owner/manager of the property does. If the police did not trespass when they were there the first time, it's because the owner/manager didn't want it. Also, where was it stated a report was/was not taken? Based on the story it seems as if the OP just wanted him gone, the police came, and he left. And since no crime was alleged, the police legally could not demand ID. So yes legal framing is important. In fact, my guess is you would be the first to cry about legality if this was a gun owner not suspected of committing a crime yet ID was being demanded. As to the call and supposed verbal threat after police left, it cannot be proven and he never showed so there really isn't anything that can be done. People make threats all the time, and people lie about being threatened all the time, so unless there is something that can be corroborated and/or verified by police. What would your position be if in this same scenario, the customer called police and said the owner threatened to get a noose and hang him because he was a _______. Would you cry if police didn't arrest the owner? Would you cry if police arrested the owner? All based on an unverifiable claim made by one individual. If a white man called a black business over an issue with refunding a deposit for work not performed, and told that business he was going to shoot and kill everyone that worked there - do you think the police would think that "there really isn't anything that can be done"? |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:03:48 AM EDT
[#22]
I thought it was standard practice for police to run everyone they come in contact with through the computer. How come they didn't run Mr. Civil Rights? Good chance he has a warrant.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:05:58 AM EDT
[#23]
I think you made a smart move op, but considering potential losses and risk, maybe plan accordingly so you dont have to be extorted or pressured by the mob. Nothing says they wont come back anyway next month for "protection" money or "dues". Lets be real, the mafia is controlling everything now in alot of the government sectors and now they got the antifa and blm mob under their control running freely in the street (they may not run it, but its by their permission, just like drugs and the gangs). Law doesn't mean anything to them, nor anyone's life that you love and care about.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:06:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a white man called a black business over an issue with refunding a deposit for work not performed, and told that business he was going to shoot and kill everyone that worked there - do you think the police would think that "there really isn't anything that can be done"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Field interrogation report, trespass warning....hell how about just a general information report. Next question As long as it's being framed within "legal" Interrogation for what crime? You do know this falls under the auspice of a civil matter, don't you? No crime was alleged by either party at the first visit, and the police do not "trespass", the owner/manager of the property does. If the police did not trespass when they were there the first time, it's because the owner/manager didn't want it. Also, where was it stated a report was/was not taken? Based on the story it seems as if the OP just wanted him gone, the police came, and he left. And since no crime was alleged, the police legally could not demand ID. So yes legal framing is important. In fact, my guess is you would be the first to cry about legality if this was a gun owner not suspected of committing a crime yet ID was being demanded. As to the call and supposed verbal threat after police left, it cannot be proven and he never showed so there really isn't anything that can be done. People make threats all the time, and people lie about being threatened all the time, so unless there is something that can be corroborated and/or verified by police. What would your position be if in this same scenario, the customer called police and said the owner threatened to get a noose and hang him because he was a _______. Would you cry if police didn't arrest the owner? Would you cry if police arrested the owner? All based on an unverifiable claim made by one individual. If a white man called a black business over an issue with refunding a deposit for work not performed, and told that business he was going to shoot and kill everyone that worked there - do you think the police would think that "there really isn't anything that can be done"? A person allegedly told the OP in a phone call he was going to shoot up his business. That’s probably enough for a threatening phone call report with an unknown suspect. It’s not probable cause to arrest any specific person. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:07:04 AM EDT
[#25]
So many drama queens in here. The hood rat wasn't going to come shoot up the tattoo shop and BLM isn't going to show up and burn the place down.
The "BLM caller" was probably just one of the hood rats buddies. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:07:06 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it’s funny that people relate how far a police station is to their call for service. The cops ain’t hangin out at the station like firefighters do. No they're in their cruiser parked in some out of sight location |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:09:01 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If a white man called a black business over an issue with refunding a deposit for work not performed, and told that business he was going to shoot and kill everyone that worked there - do you think the police would think that "there really isn't anything that can be done"? Why are you asking me that? (aside from being intellectually lazy) Why don't you tell me what the laws are and how they apply in such a situation as asserted... |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:10:18 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe you. An 'assault' and a 'threat' (of assault) are two different things completely, a verbal/written communication vs. a physical act. By your definition someone could call in a b.o.m.b 'threat' without any repercussions. There are laws which apply to both separately. Again, LEOs are useless. Situations like that is where IMO, they use their "discretion" to take it lightly. I watch endless murder/cop/detective porn on Investigation Discovery, Dateline, etc. and seen too many cases where the perp threatened to kill etc. and they LEOs don't do crap until it escalates and the perp actually carries out the threat. Again, LEOs and they whole "justice" system is garbage. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:11:58 AM EDT
[#29]
Oh we are very sorry, for you trouble we will book you an appointment for a free upgraded tattoo session on our next available session.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:12:09 AM EDT
[#30]
I kicked a client out of my office for cursing at staff and being aggressive. He said I was a racist. I told him to give us a call back when he learned how to talk like an adult. He never came back. Don't really care what he may do.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:12:22 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sue....ha....ha... So many legal eagles here in GD... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds about right. Shouldn't have given them anything. You called the cops twice and reported this shit. If your burned down, sue the city for negligence. Sue....ha....ha... So many legal eagles here in GD... Ever hear of "sovereign immunity"? Just the legal hoops to even make a case is mind boggling and a pain in the arse. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:12:46 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it’s funny that people relate how far a police station is to their call for service. The cops ain’t hangin out at the station like firefighters do. Hey... You can just take that myth and shove it buddy boy! We don't just "hang out" at the fire station... We're usually "laying out" on soft cushy recliners 
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:15:38 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Side note, tats are tribal and trashy no matter how much they cost.  
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:17:25 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey... You can just take that myth and shove it buddy boy! We don't just "hang out" at the fire station... We're usually "laying out" on soft cushy recliners Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think it’s funny that people relate how far a police station is to their call for service. The cops ain’t hangin out at the station like firefighters do. Hey... You can just take that myth and shove it buddy boy! We don't just "hang out" at the fire station... We're usually "laying out" on soft cushy recliners I thought you guys were watching Martha Stewart and Yan can Cook. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:18:19 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s attitudes like this that have created the monster that is BLM, and contributed to the decline of America in general. Can you send me the video of you out physically fighting back at a BLM riot? |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:20:55 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, LEOs are useless. Situations like that is where IMO, they use their "discretion" to take it lightly. I watch endless murder/cop/detective porn on Investigation Discovery, Dateline, etc. and seen too many cases where the perp threatened to kill etc. and they LEOs don't do crap until it escalates and the perp actually carries out the threat. Again, LEOs and they whole "justice" system is garbage. LMAO... You do know the TV isn't the real world, don't you? Clearly you have no idea how many people make verbal threats of violence towards others each and every day... MILLIONS. But you think cops can act on all of them? Or even a tiny fraction of them? LMAO Or how about the MILLIONS of claims of violence made during the MILLIONS of domestic disputes each and every year? But do tell Mr UsefulLegalExpert, what does the law say about a single unverifiable claim of a verbal threat... |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:21:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BLM is still supported by the vast majority of blacks after a year of rioting. You're out of your mind if you think 90% of blacks are against this Yep, according to my ex-friend - who recently accused me of having a "White Racist Mentality" - I can guarantee you that there, lots of them who have no problem with a White person (regardless if you're a dependent of a slave owner or not) having their heads bashed in as a form of reprisal/reparations. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:22:39 AM EDT
[#38]
Fuckem. I closed my license to print untraceable money I mean laundromat early after the last customer left about 15 minutes before normal closing. 2 carnacee's started beating on the door so I ask what they wanted. "Yo mang, we need to use the bathroom." I told them we're closed. They said sign says 9 pm. I said we close anytime after 7:30 pm once the last customer leaves and we don't stay open longer so random non customers can take a piss. Please please let me be on the list.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:23:54 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a new price to pay for wypipo who choose to live and run businesses in shitholes with shithole people. Everybody better wake the fuck up. 
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:24:28 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought you guys were watching Martha Stewart and Yan can Cook. This morning it's The Flintstones
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:24:58 AM EDT
[#41]
In b4 op requests a lock/nuke.
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:25:26 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am still trying to wrap my head around the words upscale and tattoo used in the same sentence. Seems to me you buckled to the Extortion. But hey your business your rules Well, being a dirty inky myself - who has been to tattoo parlors in various locations nationally and internationally, there "is" a difference in the shops. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:29:42 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your policy was weak if you caved. Sorry, it sucks, but it is what it is. What you're saying is that you only enforce your policy for customers who won't do more than $50 worth of damage. If you've kept deposits from other customers that never showed are you going to find them give their money back? I would change your policy going forward since it's selectively enforced. Not worth the hassle... |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:32:40 AM EDT
[#44]
Anyone wanna take a bet that there's at least one artist at OP's shop who has pro-BLM stuff on social media?
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:33:43 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These AH just think they can control everyone, good for you to stand up to these terrorist. They DID control him. He DID NOT stand up to them. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:33:50 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Record audio/video of all encounters. If you didn't do this, you're an idiot. 
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:34:07 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The amount of support shown here for caving to a terrorist organization and two bullies proves just how weak many people are. Most people have wondered "why did so many Germans go along with the Nazis?" Well, there's your answer. Most people simply, for whatever reason, do not enforce their own rules and yes, they will report on their friends and family, they will roll over, and they will go willingly onto a cattle car. A mentoring teacher told me "love your students enough to make them follow the rules." I lived by that when I taught and I live by it in my business now. "Love your customers enough to make them follow the rules." The reason why America is going to hell in a hand basket is that most people simply don't have what it takes. (And yes, tattoos make people look dirty). Without going into my personal story, I stood up to .gov on several occasions (and still do) and have lost every thing. I'm going on over 10 years of trying to get my life back and tried everything to fix it and lots of organizations, people bla bla claim they're there to help you and no one actually comes forward. So .gov has done a pretty great job on isolating people who stick out their head (to get chopped off). I'm not advocating cucking - I'm advocating to "choose your battles" and be "tactful" on getting it done.... Why? Cuz, looking back, I would have still stood up for something - but would have gone a different way about it. So, like the OP, sometimes you have to cut your loses, retreat and come up with a better plan. I hope moving forward, he has invested in some audio/visual equipment and a plan to record and distribute/publish this crap (if it happens again). |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:34:37 AM EDT
[#48]
Unless you have already submitted the refund with the cc company you don’t actually have to.
Definitely get cameras and a way to record phone communication and in store. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:34:58 AM EDT
[#49]
Tough situation for sure. Lots of edgelords in this thread, like usual.
Sometimes the juice ain't worth the squeeze, and that can't be known until all the fruit is on the table for juicing. I would like to know if the guy ever admitted/stated that the shop wasn't racist, and if the OP paid him AFTERWARDS. Perhaps a written policy for future clients that rules apply to all races, colors, religions, and sexes, but not sexual orientations, outside of hetero, if video admission/evidence is provided for posting to social media. The recording of all phone calls and in person convos works too, I guess. |
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Posted: 5/23/2021 11:37:27 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mutually exclusive terms? Not really..There are dive tattoo shops and those in nicer neighborhoods, very clean, etc.... Not a tattoo guy at all, just my observation..... |
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