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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:35:27 AM EDT
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Oh c'mon, Man. Some of these guys are talking about aliens and dragons. And you are going to roll your eyes at me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So in a big storm like that, would a SAM or something similar show up on radar? It's surrounded by Indonesia. Why would Indonesia shoot down a plane full of Indonesians? Clearly it's dragons I was thinking more along the lines of a sub testing out new toys . 
Oh c'mon, Man. Some of these guys are talking about aliens and dragons. And you are going to roll your eyes at me. Except that they are obviously joking and referencing the missing Malahsian flight thread. You on the other hand, you seem quite serious with that errant missile from a sub theory. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:36:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long have you been working for CNN. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guys, as I have said, I have flown that way many many times. I *may* have seen dragons around there. It's a possibility, although I am usually sleeping or watching movies. So far, it's the best that we have so I hereby move to declare that dragons are officially the most likely cause How long have you been working for CNN. I am more fact based than CNN
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:36:42 AM EDT
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The aliens probably brought it down because they couldn't handle the screaming and crying of 16 children on a single airbus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More: Airport official says 16 children and 1 infant were on board the missing AirAsia flight from Indonesia to Singapore - @APThe aliens probably brought it down because they couldn't handle the screaming and crying of 16 children on a single airbus. kind of fucked up |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:36:44 AM EDT
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Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore just gave a brief press confrence.
Fox News said there are unconfirmed reports the plane crashed near the island of Java. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:37:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3rd-world maintenance practices? Aircraft was only 6 years old. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:40:46 AM EDT
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AirAsia Indonesia regrets to confirm that flight QZ8501 from Surabaya to Singapore has lost contact with air traffic control at 07:24 (Surabaya LT) this morning. The flight took off from Juanda International Airport in Surabaya at 0535hours.
The aircraft was an Airbus A320-200 with the registration number PK-AXC. There were two pilots, four flight attendants and one engineer on board. The captain in command had a total of 6,100 flying hours and the first officer a total of 2,275 flying hours There were 155 passengers on board, with 138 adults, 16 children and 1 infant. Also on board were 2 pilots and 5 cabin crew. Nationalities of passengers and crew onboard are as below: 1 Singapore 1 Malaysia 3 South Korean 157 Indonesia At this time, search and rescue operations are being conducted under the guidance of The Indonesia of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). AirAsia Indonesia is cooperating fully and assisting the investigation in every possible way. The aircraft was on the submitted flight plan route and was requesting deviation due to enroute weather before communication with the aircraft was lost while it was still under the control of the Indonesian Air Traffic Control (ATC). The aircraft had undergone its last scheduled maintenance on 16 November 2014. Airline Reporter |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:42:36 AM EDT
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You guys are right, aliens and dragons it is. 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:42:56 AM EDT
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More: Airport official says 16 children and 1 infant were on board the missing AirAsia flight from Indonesia to Singapore - @APARFCOM probably brought it down because they couldn't handle the screaming and crying of 16 children on a single airbus. And there was a fight over knee defenders. Plausible. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:44:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:44:10 AM EDT
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Hopefully they can locate the wreckage and pull survivors from the water.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:45:38 AM EDT
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The flight was at 32,000 ft when contact was lost. 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:45:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys are right, aliens and dragons it is. Aliens and dragons are just as plausible as a SAM shot from a submarine in a real world test. And we clearly aren't being serious.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:48:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed. Quote HistoryQuoted: ARFCOM probably brought it down because they couldn't handle the screaming and crying of 16 children on a single airbus. And there was a fight over knee defenders. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:48:58 AM EDT
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AirAsia Flight QZ-8501 went missing on early Sunday morning going from Indonesia to Singapore. According to the Malaysian Insider on Sunday:
An aircraft has reportedly crashed in the waters off East Belitung, off the east coast of Sumatra, after authorities confirmed that AirAsia Flight QZ8501 went missing earlier today. The Bangka Pos news portal said there was no confirmation of the crash site. As the Insider reported, the Bangka Pos said that “authorities received information that the location is at Babel coast, but the exact place was still unknown.” “We are still coordinating and gathering information from the fishermen and the ships passing through the Beltim coast,” AKP Yanto told Bangka Pos. According to a Google Translate of the Bangka Pos article, it said an “Airbus reportedly crashed in the waters of East Belitung.” The headline says the “AirAsia Airbus” was the plane. Epoch Times |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:49:31 AM EDT
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Updated statement
https://www.facebook.com/notes/airasia/updated-statement-qz8501/10152667884908742
[Updated statement] QZ8501AirAsia Indonesia regrets to confirm that flight QZ8501 from Surabaya to Singapore has lost contact with air traffic control at 07:24 (Surabaya LT) this morning. The flight took off from Juanda International Airport in Surabaya at 0535hours. The aircraft was an Airbus A320-200 with the registration number PK-AXC. There were two pilots, four flight attendants and one engineer on board. The captain in command had a total of 6,100 flying hours and the first officer a total of 2,275 flying hours There were 155 passengers on board, with 138 adults, 16 children and 1 infant. Also on board were 2 pilots and 5 cabin crew. Nationalities of passengers and crew onboard are as below: 1 Singapore 1 Malaysia 1 France 3 South Korean 156 Indonesia At this time, search and rescue operations are being conducted under the guidance of The Indonesia of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). AirAsia Indonesia is cooperating fully and assisting the investigation in every possible way. The aircraft was on the submitted flight plan route and was requesting deviation due to enroute weather before communication with the aircraft was lost while it was still under the control of the Indonesian Air Traffic Control (ATC). The aircraft had undergone its last scheduled maintenance on 16 November 2014. AirAsia has established an Emergency Call Centre that is available for family or friends of those who may have been on board the aircraft. The number is: +622129850801. AirAsia will release further information as soon as it becomes available. Updated information will also be posted on the AirAsia website, www.airasia.com. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:50:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because now Arfcom is a psycho world power group with AA capabilities? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ARFCOM probably brought it down because they couldn't handle the screaming and crying of 16 children on a single airbus. And there was a fight over knee defenders. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:51:01 AM EDT
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Yeah! Fuck stats and shit! Dragons! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cathay, SIA and JAL are all pretty good... Emirates, Qatar and Etihad are all pretty good too... I would rather fly out of the Middle East than ANY Indonesia/Asian/muslim influenced country. I feel that's a loaded question, but what the hell, U.S. of course. I know you're gonna pull up stats, but the fact is, AMERICA has the most amount of aircraft aloft at any time, all over the world... so yeah, USA, USA!  Dragons! The fact is AMERICA has the best all-around record for commercial flights in the world. You'd have to be really stupid to press your luck when it comes to flying. Or a communist. So go ahead and give me some fluffed up numbers from some other country with a better "flight record ".
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:51:13 AM EDT
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Because now Arfcom is a psycho world power group with AA capabilities? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ARFCOM probably brought it down because they couldn't handle the screaming and crying of 16 children on a single airbus. And there was a fight over knee defenders. Sigh...That thread must be in Team. 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:52:48 AM EDT
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/airasia/updated-statement-qz8501/10152667884908742
Passenger manifest released/leaked
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:53:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AirAsia Flight QZ-8501 went missing on early Sunday morning going from Indonesia to Singapore. According to the Malaysian Insider on Sunday: An aircraft has reportedly crashed in the waters off East Belitung, off the east coast of Sumatra, after authorities confirmed that AirAsia Flight QZ8501 went missing earlier today. The Bangka Pos news portal said there was no confirmation of the crash site. As the Insider reported, the Bangka Pos said that "authorities received information that the location is at Babel coast, but the exact place was still unknown.” "We are still coordinating and gathering information from the fishermen and the ships passing through the Beltim coast,” AKP Yanto told Bangka Pos. According to a Google Translate of the Bangka Pos article, it said an "Airbus reportedly crashed in the waters of East Belitung.” The headline says the "AirAsia Airbus” was the plane. Epoch Times Thanks for the updates.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:58:35 AM EDT
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I wonder if weather/turbulance ripped it apart
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Posted: 12/28/2014 1:59:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact is AMERICA has the best all-around record for commercial flights in the world. You'd have to be really stupid to press your luck when it comes to flying. Or a communist. So go ahead and give me some fluffed up numbers from some other country with a better "flight record ". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would rather fly out of the Middle East than ANY Indonesia/Asian/muslim influenced country. I feel that's a loaded question, but what the hell, U.S. of course. I know you're gonna pull up stats, but the fact is, AMERICA has the most amount of aircraft aloft at any time, all over the world... so yeah, USA, USA! Dragons! The fact is AMERICA has the best all-around record for commercial flights in the world. You'd have to be really stupid to press your luck when it comes to flying. Or a communist. So go ahead and give me some fluffed up numbers from some other country with a better "flight record ". SIA has had 1 fatal accident. Ever. Cathay's last fatal accident was in 1963 (except for a fatal bombing). Both are right up there in the list of best and safest airlines. But please continue on with your patriotism and refuse to acknowledge fact. BTW, Qantas has never had a fatal accident in the jet age, but you don't see me going all "STRAYA FUCK YEAH PLANES N SHIT". |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:00:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sigh...That thread must be in Team. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ARFCOM probably brought it down because they couldn't handle the screaming and crying of 16 children on a single airbus. And there was a fight over knee defenders. Sigh...That thread must be in Team. You're going to have to pay to find out
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:00:42 AM EDT
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Sum Ting Wong? Ho Lee Fuk Wi tu lo Let me say it in english... "something's fucky" |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:03:06 AM EDT
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Captain in command of AirAsia flight had a total of 6,100 flying |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:04:28 AM EDT
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Because now Arfcom is a psycho world power group with AA capabilities? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ARFCOM probably brought it down because they couldn't handle the screaming and crying of 16 children on a single airbus. And there was a fight over knee defenders. DU likes to think so. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:05:53 AM EDT
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From the airliners.net board
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:06:39 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a France Airbus flight that crashed over the ocean because of a co-pilot that didn't know how to fly in bad weather with Autopilot turned off?
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:08:01 AM EDT
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144
Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:08:35 AM EDT
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ROP
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:10:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mayday/Air Crash investigations had an episode on it that you can find on youtube (Out of Control). Been binging on that show this weekend, oddly enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow, uncontrolled descent from 13000' into a mountain and still lots of survivors. Mayday/Air Crash investigations had an episode on it that you can find on youtube (Out of Control). Been binging on that show this weekend, oddly enough. So have I. Missed that one, though. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:10:02 AM EDT
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The fact is AMERICA has the best all-around record for commercial flights in the world. You'd have to be really stupid to press your luck when it comes to flying. Or a communist. So go ahead and give me some fluffed up numbers from some other country with a better "flight record ". My good friend and neighbor is a senior captain at AA, and he's retiring early because he says he doesn't know why the hell there aren't smoking holes in the ground every 60-90 days. He also doesn't allow his family to fly. The stories he's shared about how airlines actually run and some of his close calls are flat out horrifying. 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:12:47 AM EDT
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ROP Doubtful. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:15:46 AM EDT
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Wow, uncontrolled descent from 13000' into a mountain and still lots of survivors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wow, uncontrolled descent from 13000' into a mountain and still lots of survivors. There were four survivors out of 524 people on the plane. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:17:30 AM EDT
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My good friend and neighbor is a senior captain at AA, and he's retiring early because he says he doesn't know why the hell there aren't smoking holes in the ground every 60-90 days. He also doesn't allow his family to fly. The stories he's shared about how airlines actually run and some of his close calls are flat out horrifying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The fact is AMERICA has the best all-around record for commercial flights in the world. You'd have to be really stupid to press your luck when it comes to flying. Or a communist. So go ahead and give me some fluffed up numbers from some other country with a better "flight record ". My good friend and neighbor is a senior captain at AA, and he's retiring early because he says he doesn't know why the hell there aren't smoking holes in the ground every 60-90 days. He also doesn't allow his family to fly. The stories he's shared about how airlines actually run and some of his close calls are flat out horrifying. Don't believe that for a second. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:17:33 AM EDT
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There were four survivors out of 524 people on the plane. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow, uncontrolled descent from 13000' into a mountain and still lots of survivors. There were four survivors out of 524 people on the plane. And probably many of them that survived the initial crash. That airplane was fully loaded with fuel when it went down.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:18:10 AM EDT
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Why is that bad? With a lower speed he could be descending, maneuvering, climbing, etc. Granted, I believe that may be below the stall speed at that altitude. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:18:30 AM EDT
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There were four survivors out of 524 people on the plane. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow, uncontrolled descent from 13000' into a mountain and still lots of survivors. There were four survivors out of 524 people on the plane. Many survived the crash, but were killed by stubbornness in the Japanese government. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:19:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is that bad? With a lower speed he could be descending, maneuvering, climbing, etc. Granted, I believe that may be below the stall speed at that altitude. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Why is that bad? With a lower speed he could be descending, maneuvering, climbing, etc. Granted, I believe that may be below the stall speed at that altitude. Climbing while at a low speed may suggest that they are headed towards a stall? Similar to the Air France flight. All speculation at the moment though. It could mean that there's a dragon holding onto the plane
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:21:27 AM EDT
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Does that mean it went vertical really fast? |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:21:58 AM EDT
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Tag for outcome.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:23:44 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a France Airbus flight that crashed over the ocean because of a co-pilot that didn't know how to fly in bad weather with Autopilot turned off? A little more complex than that, but yeah. He and the pilot were essentially fighting each other, without realizing it. That's my understanding. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:29:49 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a crash (no idea how long ago) where .mil pilots or some shit went up to meet the airline when they stopped responding, and they saw all the oxygen masks had deployed but everybody was frozen? Or am I making that up?
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:31:27 AM EDT
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lol
He needs to retire. The air is dangerous. He's probably more worried about TSA, or he should be. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:31:39 AM EDT
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Does that mean it went vertical really fast? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Does that mean it went vertical really fast? I'm not an aviator but would guess that is not enough speed to maintain lift. Isn't that what happened to another scarebus that crashed in the ocean a few years ago? Pilot thought he was going much faster than reality? |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:32:05 AM EDT
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA!
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:33:30 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a France Airbus flight that crashed over the ocean because of a co-pilot that didn't know how to fly in bad weather with Autopilot turned off? No. Air France 447 was an Airbus 330 that probably lost its instrument readings because the inlets (pitot tubes) for the system froze. This caused false and contradictory readings and shut down the auto-pilot. The captain was out of the cockpit. The plane threw out confusing data and alarms and the first officer ignored the first rule of aviation: fly the plane. He tried to fly the alarms and they crashed. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:33:50 AM EDT
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I'm not an aviator but would guess that is not enough speed to maintain lift. Isn't that what happened to another scarebus that crashed in the ocean a few years ago? Pilot thought he was going much faster than reality? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Does that mean it went vertical really fast? I'm not an aviator but would guess that is not enough speed to maintain lift. Isn't that what happened to another scarebus that crashed in the ocean a few years ago? Pilot thought he was going much faster than reality? Pretty sure you are talking about the same France flight 447 that I was referring to. Auto-pilot turned off, and the pilot pulled up the stick and kept stalling out the engines until it was too late. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:37:44 AM EDT
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No. Air France 447 was an Airbus 330 that probably lost its instrument readings because the inlets (pitot tubes) for the system froze. This caused false and contradictory readings and shut down the auto-pilot. The captain was out of the cockpit. The plane threw out confusing data and alarms and the first officer ignored the first rule of aviation: fly the plane. He tried to fly the alarms and they crashed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wasn't there a France Airbus flight that crashed over the ocean because of a co-pilot that didn't know how to fly in bad weather with Autopilot turned off? No. Air France 447 was an Airbus 330 that probably lost its instrument readings because the inlets (pitot tubes) for the system froze. This caused false and contradictory readings and shut down the auto-pilot. The captain was out of the cockpit. The plane threw out confusing data and alarms and the first officer ignored the first rule of aviation: fly the plane. He tried to fly the alarms and they crashed. Yep, that was basically where I was going with that. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:38:57 AM EDT
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The fact is AMERICA has the best all-around record for commercial flights in the world. You'd have to be really stupid to press your luck when it comes to flying. Or a communist. So go ahead and give me some fluffed up numbers from some other country with a better "flight record ". My good friend and neighbor is a senior captain at AA, and he's retiring early because he says he doesn't know why the hell there aren't smoking holes in the ground every 60-90 days. He also doesn't allow his family to fly. The stories he's shared about how airlines actually run and some of his close calls are flat out horrifying. Don't believe that for a second. I do. It costs more to park the car at the airport for 4 days than it does to fly from Darwin to Hong Kong return a lot of times. Those short trips in and around SE Asia are like the cost of a bus ticket with little to no margin for real profit.
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