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Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:20:47 PM EDT
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We knew what he was up against and he knew what he was up against. He was just fucking incompetent and couldn't do it. Giving him a second try is asking for the same failure. We need DeSantis for the next round.
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We need someone that will clean out the corruption in DC more than we need a R in office for 8 years.  Sure Trump failed at that his first term but absolutely none of us knew the scope of the corruption at the time.  We now have a better understanding of exactly what we are up against.  

I think Trump is the best qualified person in the world to go another round against them.


We knew what he was up against and he knew what he was up against. He was just fucking incompetent and couldn't do it. Giving him a second try is asking for the same failure. We need DeSantis for the next round.


What hogwash. Nobody knew what he was up against, especially not Trump. Trump was still thinking like a businessman where there are rational actors and money is the medium of conversation. In DC, there's money but it a means to obtain the primary currency - power. Trump didn't realize the GOPe was feeding him backstabbing people because he was an outsider and didn't go along with the grift in DC.
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:22:53 PM EDT
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Complete and utter nonsense. Trump has had time to get his own team put together instead of relying on GOPe backstabbers. He'll be out for blood in his second term because there is no reelection run. If he is even mildly successful, then the corruption in DC will be halted for years, possibly a generation. That will set up the next GOP candidate to run on his success and continue to clean the rot from the DC establishment and .gov as a whole. Once the ball gets rolling in a serious way, it becomes an unstoppable avalanche.
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The traitors have outed themselves,  Trump won't hire you just because you appeared on Fox News like last time.
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:23:15 PM EDT
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Just accept the rape. Don't fight back and no one gets hurt.
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I think they very well may arrest Trump.  The communists and globalists involved in this mess would love to kick off a civil war in this country.  That is part of their goal right now.  They need us fighting each other and giving them a reason to show the right as dangerous.  They are selling that narrative as we speak in the main stream media.

If they can't get the Patriots riled up by raiding Trump's home or arresting him, they will create another Jan 6 false flag to make it happen.

Don't fall for the same shit the deep state keeps doing.  Stay peaceful everyone, get involved, and vote.

Just accept the rape. Don't fight back and no one gets hurt.


Vote, yeah like that'll do any good.  
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:24:45 PM EDT
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The warrant and raid where rushed and poorly executed. The nuclear, classified, unpaid parking tickets narrative is a poorly contrived rushed excuse to change the focus from WTF DOJ/FBI to Trump is dangerous.  They are running the same play book they always run.  It's obvious.

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Honestly I think it is much simpler than that.  I think Biden got pissed off at Garland and told him, "GET TRUMP RIGHT NOW OR I FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL!"
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:25:19 PM EDT
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Trump Lawyer Told Justice Dept. That Classified Material Had Been Returned

The lawyer signed a statement in June that all documents marked as classified and held in boxes in storage at Mar-a-Lago had been given back. The search at the former president’s home on Monday turned up more.



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And ? I'm failing to see the issue .
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:25:47 PM EDT
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The traitors have outed themselves,  Trump won't hire you just because you appeared on Fox News like last time.
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I wouldn't bet the farm on that.
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:26:49 PM EDT
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Or this is the next daily pivot.  And will be found to be bogus.
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Or this is the next daily pivot.  And will be found to be bogus.
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This, they say they're classified but chances are Trump declassified them . This is all bullshit
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:34:46 PM EDT
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Indeed. He says stupid shit all the time. My own suspicion is that his handlers are ChiCom controlled. Remember, the ChiComs were getting clobbered when Trump was in office. I would imagine they're not to keen to have their current illegitimate meat puppet regime replaced by the likes of Trump.

As with most things related to this illegitimate communist junta: Qui bono?
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All the anti Trump, BLM riots, Antifa riots all leads back to China. They have taken over control of the USA with the useful idiots of the DNC, social media and MSM. Trump is a major threat to them and they will go all in to get rid of him.
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:35:15 PM EDT
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Honestly I think it is much simpler than that.  I think Biden got pissed off at Garland and told him, "GET TRUMP RIGHT NOW OR I FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL!"
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Trump is building a nuclear tanning bed which he was going to sell to Kim Jong-un. It’s all makes sense once you step back and see the big picture.
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:36:03 PM EDT
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This, they say they're classified but chances are Trump declassified them . This is all bullshit
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"classified markings"
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"classified markings"
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This, they say they're classified but chances are Trump declassified them . This is all bullshit

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So no longer classified, but marked classified. What's the problem?
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:38:28 PM EDT
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Wonder if that lawyer was Alina?



Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:38:45 PM EDT
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General Services Administration (GSA) packed the boxes, not Trump.

Trump surrendered any and all files when asked to.

Trump showed FBI where they the boxes was kept, leading to the FBI to ask for a better lock, which SS installed.

Some questions:

If the info was so dangerous that they had to raid his home, then why did they wait days after the warrant was signed? Why did the team in DC do it instead of the Miami office?

Why didn’t they just ask for the boxes. Trump has supposedly handed over anything they wanted without incident. They supposedly took stuff that was Top Secret before without all this discussion on the espionage act. What change from June to now?
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Probably trying to get their lies straight, errr ducks in a row.

DC has more corrupted swamp things.

Desperation.
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:39:02 PM EDT
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Trump Lawyer Told Justice Dept. That Classified Material Had Been Returned

The lawyer signed a statement in June that all documents marked as classified and held in boxes in storage at Mar-a-Lago had been given back. The search at the former president’s home on Monday turned up more.



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Trump Lawyer Told Justice Dept. That Classified Material Had Been Returned

The lawyer signed a statement in June that all documents marked as classified and held in boxes in storage at Mar-a-Lago had been given back. The search at the former president’s home on Monday turned up more.


At least one lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump signed a written statement in June asserting that all material marked as classified and held in boxes in a storage area at Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and club had been returned to the government, four people with knowledge of the document said.

The written declaration was made after a visit on June 3 to Mar-a-Lago by Jay I. Bratt, the top counterintelligence official in the Justice Department’s national security division.

The existence of the signed declaration, which has not previously been reported, is a possible indication that Mr. Trump or his team were not fully forthcoming with federal investigators about the material. And it could help explain why a potential violation of a criminal statute related to obstruction was cited by the department as one basis for seeking the search warrant used to carry out the daylong search of the former president’s home on Monday, an extraordinary step that generated political shock waves.

It also helps to further explain the sequence of events that prompted the Justice Department’s decision to conduct the search after months in which it had tried to resolve the matter through discussions with Mr. Trump and his team.

An inventory of the material taken from Mr. Trump’s home that was released on Friday showed that F.B.I. agents had seized 11 sets of documents during the search with some type of confidential or secret marking on them, including some marked as “classified/TS/SCI” — shorthand for “top secret/sensitive compartmented information.” Information categorized in that fashion is meant to be viewed only in a secure government facility.

The search encompassed not just the storage area where boxes of material known to the Justice Department were being held but also Mr. Trump’s office and residence. The search warrant and inventory unsealed on Friday did not specify where in the Mar-a-Lago complex the documents marked as classified were found.

Mr. Trump said on Friday that he had declassified all the material in his possession while he was still in office. He did not provide any documentation that he had done so.

A spokesman for the former president, Taylor Budowich, said on Saturday, “Just like every Democrat-fabricated witch hunt previously, the water of this unprecedented and unnecessary raid is being carried by a media willing to run with suggestive leaks, anonymous sources and no hard facts.”

The search warrant said F.B.I. agents were carrying out the search to look for evidence related to possible violations of the Espionage Act and a statute that bars the unlawful taking or destruction of government records or documents, as well as of the obstruction law. No one has been charged in the case, and the search warrant on its own does not mean anyone will be.

Last year, officials with the National Archives discovered that Mr. Trump had taken a slew of documents and other government material with him when he left the White House at the end of his tumultuous term in January 2021. That material was supposed to have been sent to the archives under the terms of the Presidential Records Act.

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Mr. Trump returned 15 boxes of material in January of this year. When archivists examined the material, they found many pages of documents with classified markings and referred the matter to the Justice Department, which began an investigation and convened a grand jury.

In the spring, the Justice Department issued a subpoena to Mr. Trump seeking further documents believed to be in his possession. He was repeatedly urged by advisers to return what remained, despite what they described as his desire to continue to hold onto some documents.

In an effort to resolve the dispute, Mr. Bratt and other officials visited Mar-a-Lago in early June, briefly meeting Mr. Trump. Two of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, M. Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, spoke with Mr. Bratt and a handful of investigators he traveled with, people briefed on the meeting said.

What we consider before using anonymous sources. How do the sources know the information? What’s their motivation for telling us? Have they proved reliable in the past? Can we corroborate the information? Even with these questions satisfied, The Times uses anonymous sources as a last resort. The reporter and at least one editor know the identity of the source.

Mr. Corcoran and Ms. Bobb showed Mr. Bratt and his team boxes holding material Mr. Trump had taken from the White House that were being kept in a storage area, the people said.

According to two people briefed on the visit, Mr. Bratt and his team left with additional material marked classified, and around that time also obtained the written declaration from a Trump lawyer attesting that all the material marked classified in the boxes had been turned over.

A short time after the meeting, according to people briefed on it, Mr. Bratt sent Mr. Corcoran an email telling him to get a more secure padlock for the room. Mr. Trump’s team complied.

The Justice Department also subpoenaed surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago, including views from outside the storage room. According to a person briefed on the matter, the footage prompted concern among investigators about the handling of the material. It is not clear what time period that footage was from.

Over recent months, investigators were in contact with roughly a half-dozen of Mr. Trump’s current aides who had knowledge of how the documents were handled, two people briefed on the approaches said. At least one witness provided the investigators with information that led them to want to further press Mr. Trump for material, according to a person familiar with the inquiry.

Concern about Mr. Trump’s cavalier handling of classified information dates back to the early days of his administration. When Mr. Trump left office, President Biden quickly took the extraordinary step of barring him from receiving the intelligence briefings traditionally provided to former presidents, saying that Mr. Trump could not be trusted because of his “erratic behavior.”

The security of classified information at Mar-a-Lago was also a concern for government officials even while Mr. Trump was in office. During his presidency, the government built what is known as a SCIF — a sensitive compartmented information facility — for Mr. Trump’s use while he was at the club.

On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick B. Garland made a public statement saying he had personally authorized a search warrant being executed on Mr. Trump’s property, and he indicated that the Justice Department would only have made such a move after trying less invasive measures.

Shortly before Mr. Garland made the announcement, a person close to Mr. Trump reached out to a Justice Department official to pass along a message from the former president to the attorney general. Mr. Trump wanted Mr. Garland to know he had been checking in with people around the country and found them to be enraged by the search.

“The country is on fire,” Mr. Trump said, according to a person familiar with the exchange. “What can I do to reduce the heat?”

The following day, as a judge unsealed the warrant and the inventory of items that the F.B.I. took, Mr. Trump alternately claimed he did nothing wrong and also made the baseless statement that officials may have planted evidence on him.

Katie Benner contributed reporting.



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Do we know it turned up more or are we speculating?
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:39:55 PM EDT
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We'll see
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So no longer classified, but marked classified. What's the problem?
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Devil's in the details.  If that lawyer signed an affidavit stating there were no documents with classification markings on the premise and the FBI did in fact find documents with classification markings...  that lawyer lied.  Possibly committed perjury.  That might be a big deal to them and their future legal career in addition to potential consequences their client may face.
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No you won’t. The documents they took will never see the light of day.
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Well, at least some lawyers are gonna get new yachts.
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Look at the defendant list for Trump v. Clinton.  It's like a list of all the scum and villainy infecting our nation.

ABC Corporations 1 through 10
Adam Schiff
Andrew McCabe
Bruce Ohr
Charles Halliday Dolan Jr.
Christopher Steele
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Democratic National Committee
DNC Services Corporation
Fusion GPS
Glenn Simpson
HFACC, Inc.
Hillary R. Clinton
Igor Danchenko
Jake Sullivan
James Comey
Kevin Clinesmith
Lisa Page
Marc Elias
Michael Sussman
Nellie Ohr
Neustar, Inc.
Neustar Security Services
Orbis Business Intelligence, Ltd.
Perkins Coie, LLC
Peter Fritsch
Peter Strzok
Phillipe Reines
Robert E. Mook
Rodney Joffe
Rod Rosenstein


Look at those names... That is pure DNC power houses right there. The circus leaders and servants. No wonder they raided Trump. Democrats are shallow low impulse creatures for the most part. I doubt they have some grand scheme other then "He is shining a light on us. Lets hope he doesn't have anything damaging to us. Lets send him a message we don't F-around. Call the DOJ and fix it!"

Well, at least some lawyers are gonna get new yachts.


Other than to cause problems, why are you here? Every single post you make is inflammatory.
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:41:57 PM EDT
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No you won’t. The documents they took will never see the light of day.
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Certainly not if they are classified.
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Devil's in the details.  If that lawyer signed an affidavit stating there were no documents with classification markings on the premise and the FBI did in fact find documents with classification markings...  that lawyer lied.  Possibly committed perjury.  That might be a big deal to them and their future legal career.
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Because you’re basing this position on a NYT’s tweet.  Now do NYT’s Russia Gate tweets.
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Wonder is she's the mole?
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Certainly not if they are classified.
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Certainly…lol
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:44:32 PM EDT
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No you won’t. The documents they took will never see the light of day.
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I'm not referring to the documents but the truth of the matter .
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Weird double tap
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I'm not referring to the documents but the truth of the matter .
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No you won’t. The documents they took will never see the light of day.

I'm not referring to the documents but the truth of the matter .


The truth is a whisper in a shout of lies.  

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That either

The swamp has no interest in exposing themselves
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Devil's in the details.  If that lawyer signed an affidavit stating there were no documents with classification markings on the premise and the FBI did in fact find documents with classification markings...  that lawyer lied.  Possibly committed perjury.  That might be a big deal to them and their future legal career in addition to potential consequences their client may face.
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So no longer classified, but marked classified. What's the problem?

Devil's in the details.  If that lawyer signed an affidavit stating there were no documents with classification markings on the premise and the FBI did in fact find documents with classification markings...  that lawyer lied.  Possibly committed perjury.  That might be a big deal to them and their future legal career in addition to potential consequences their client may face.


Seems like a simple matter of interpretation.

Is this the dirty tactic they are going to hang this on?

So this has nothing to do with cause for the raid. This is a post raid justification.


How did they get the ex-Epstein lawyer, who recused himself in the Trump v Clinton case, to justify signing a warrant to seize all of Trumps documents?

Is there any chance of impropriety here?

Any motive for why they would want to take all of Trumps documents?

Did they take the Russia collusion hoax documents that could be useful in the Trump vs Clinton case?
Link Posted: 8/13/2022 12:50:47 PM EDT
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Donald Bumpstock Trump had his chance, time for Desantis.
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My hope/wish is that Republicans win the midterms-and by some chance -Trump is nominated speaker of house- republicans get their shit together and go after the nonsense and corruption-impeach JB and eventually KH- speaker now Trump would have the reigns for a year or so to clean up and finish what he started and pave way for Desantis for 2024. Trump needs to finish. Then Desantis. I know I’m probably lost and foolish for thinking this way but Desantis isn’t as gritty as Trump right now. He’s tough, but like most said-still a politician.
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Seems like a simple matter of interpretation.

Is this the dirty tactic they are going to hang this on?

So this has nothing to do with cause for the raid. This is a post raid justification.


How did they get the ex-Epstein lawyer, who recused himself in the Trump v Clinton case, to justify signing a warrant to seize all of Trumps documents?

Is there any chance of impropriety here?

Any motive for why they would want to take all of Trumps documents?

Did they take the Russia collusion hoax documents that could be useful in the Trump vs Clinton case?
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If Trump's lawyers attempt to quash the warrant, and I believe they will, I highly doubt they'll make any arguments about the judge.  They'll claim the evidence presented in the affidavit is either erroneous or does not rise to the level of probable cause needed to justify a search warrant.  Particularity may be raised as well since that's another common boilerplate argument but I think there's low chances of success there.
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No you won’t. The documents they took will never see the light of day.

I'm not referring to the documents but the truth of the matter .


The truth is a whisper in a shout of lies.  


The truth is what I say it is.


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I’m with Trump now, all the way.

DeSantis would never stand up to all the heat that DJT has.

He should stay in his lane where it’s safe.
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If Trump's lawyers attempt to quash the warrant, and I believe they will, I highly doubt they'll make any arguments about the judge.  They'll claim the evidence presented in the affidavit is either erroneous or does not rise to the level of probable cause needed to justify a search warrant.  Particularity may be raised as well since that's another common boilerplate argument but I think there's low chances of success there.
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Seems like a simple matter of interpretation.

Is this the dirty tactic they are going to hang this on?

So this has nothing to do with cause for the raid. This is a post raid justification.


How did they get the ex-Epstein lawyer, who recused himself in the Trump v Clinton case, to justify signing a warrant to seize all of Trumps documents?

Is there any chance of impropriety here?

Any motive for why they would want to take all of Trumps documents?

Did they take the Russia collusion hoax documents that could be useful in the Trump vs Clinton case?

If Trump's lawyers attempt to quash the warrant, and I believe they will, I highly doubt they'll make any arguments about the judge.  They'll claim the evidence presented in the affidavit is either erroneous or does not rise to the level of probable cause needed to justify a search warrant.  Particularity may be raised as well since that's another common boilerplate argument but I think there's low chances of success there.


Well it seems pretty clear they have nothing and now they are grasping at straws trying to justify this because it's a blatant abuse of power and nothing adds up for them.

What makes sense is they likely had someone fabricate the story of Trump destroying documents. That's the only thing I can see that gives them a cause to take everything. They weren't looking for specific documents they knew he had. The national archives angle doesn't justify this action. That's why they needed a judge like this.

They did it for one or all these reasons,

To separate Trump from documents they don't want him to have access to even though he legally possessed. This can be related to the Trump v Clinton case.

To plant documents to claim Trump broke the law, etc to try to prevent him from being able to run in 2024.

To spy on other documents/information.

To plant bugs.

Nothing else makes any sense.
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Are there any documents that Trump as President could not declassify? I see people elsewhere saying that he can not declassify certain nuclear doc under the Atomic Energy Act.
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Are there any documents that Trump as President could not declassify? I see people elsewhere saying that he can not declassify certain nuclear doc under the Atomic Energy Act.
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I don't know, but that whole story is hogwash. There's no reason why Trump would have those kind of documents.

It's a media distraction.
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Looks like Trump was trying to de-escalate.


Shortly before Mr. Garland made the announcement, a person close to Mr. Trump reached out to a Justice Department official to pass along a message from the former president to the attorney general. Mr. Trump wanted Mr. Garland to know he had been checking in with people around the country and found them to be enraged by the search.

“The country is on fire,” Mr. Trump said, according to a person familiar with the exchange. “What can I do to reduce the heat?”


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/13/us/politics/trump-classified-material-fbi.html
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Imagine shredding the nation over irrelevant documents that likely mean absolutely nothing over a marking made out to be a big deal because we aren't allowed to see what all the fuss is over.   #clownworld

Pro-Tip:  If the documents were actually a real crime that people would be mad about, you would have known the contents that night of the raid. Democrats leak, share, and disperse classified knowledge constantly.
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Looks like Trump was trying to de-escalate.


Shortly before Mr. Garland made the announcement, a person close to Mr. Trump reached out to a Justice Department official to pass along a message from the former president to the attorney general. Mr. Trump wanted Mr. Garland to know he had been checking in with people around the country and found them to be enraged by the search.

“The country is on fire,” Mr. Trump said, according to a person familiar with the exchange. “What can I do to reduce the heat?”


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I’ll take made up NYT’s shit for $500 Dead Alex.
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They are not going to charge Trump w/espionage.  For the same reasons they didn’t charge him with sedition. They don’t have any evidence that can prove either of these charges in court.  If they did Trump would already be in handcuffs.

They’ve had 9 months of knowing what was in those boxes, looking through them, checking on them and adding a lock to a room.  They have had complete cooperation with Team Trump.  The shit was catalog numerous times.  Team Trump didn’t even pack it up.  

The warrant and raid where rushed and poorly executed. The nuclear, classified, unpaid parking tickets narrative is a poorly contrived rushed excuse to change the focus from WTF DOJ/FBI to Trump is dangerous.  They are running the same play book they always run.  It’s obvious.

Nobody except TDS, MSM and the Never Trumpers believe this narrative. In fact MSM and Never Trumper really don’t believe the narrative either, but they know of they don’t push it, the inevitable is coming.  They will defend it to the end.  You can’t discuss with people like this in the same way you can’t discuss religion with a fanatic.

Because the optics of this are so bad and are going to flesh out to be criminal, the choice to raid under espionage act and classified nuclear secrets was chosen, because DOJ/FBI/Administration believed that what they were told was there and would find, would overshadow the optics once they had Trump on cuffs.

The arrest warrant was ready and they were going to execute it a day after the raid.  But they found nothing but the declassified documents and Trumps news papers with his name on the front page, that they already knew he had.  Now it took them 4 days to come up with a story that somehow DJT took nuclear classified documents for shits and giggles and or to sell to Dr. Evil and The Monarch.  Rationally and objectively thinking through this will tell you even if he wanted to, what could he get and what was he going to do with it?  It’s a fucking joke.

The DOJ/FBI/Administration got played.  Now they are in cover up mode.

The Swamp has only one goal.  It’s to do anything to stop Trump from running again.  They have no solution to him on the Republican or Democrat side.  They have nothing left negative to use to run against him.  They only can run against the issues that they’ve cause through their shit policies. They don’t  have the common cold to use massive mail in ballets this time.  The turnout math is becoming statistically impossible.

In short they are fucked and are running out of Wiley Coyote ‘Super Genius’ ideas.  They are getting into DJT is really an Alien mode.  It’s sad and scary at the same time.

To stop Trump they only have three options.  There really isn’t anything that stops him constitutionally.  

1. Trump dies (conspiracy time)
2. Trump gets put in jail and can’t run (they don’t have anything…sorry shadow_dude)
3. Trump’s base separates from him enough he realizes he can’t win so he doesn’t waste his time and quits. (enter Ronny D and Trumps damaged good narratives)

What they are doing, much to their chagrin, is making a huge narcissist look sympathetic.  People are starting to feel sorry for Trump.  Nothing like a base from hell with the addition of Soy Boys and Soccer Moms felling sorry for The Cheeto.  Ramped crime and bring dildo to school day doesn’t help them.  The sucking economy and polices that make ‘the suck’ worse can’t be spun.

This whole nuclear narrative disappears faster than a ANTIFA, Democrat, black Muslim, gay, child molesting, AR15 mass school shooter does.

They will move on to their next ACME Stop Trump rocket roller skates and TNT plan.  It will only get worse and more far fetched as we move forward.  Hopefully they don’t attempt option 1.

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I’m with Trump now, all the way.

DeSantis would never stand up to all the heat that DJT has.

He should stay in his lane where it’s safe.
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The problem is DJT didn't actually DO anything.  He didn't "drain the swamp."   He literally did whatever he was told he should do by the swamp.  He just said some stuff once in a while and tweeted some stuff people didn't like.  He lost the election.  He didn't even fire Anthony Fauci.  No fucking balls.  All bluster.

We are now worse off than had he never existed.  

I'll still vote for him if I have to.
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Honestly I think it is much simpler than that.  I think Biden got pissed off at Garland and told him, "GET TRUMP RIGHT NOW OR I FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL!"
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The warrant and raid where rushed and poorly executed. The nuclear, classified, unpaid parking tickets narrative is a poorly contrived rushed excuse to change the focus from WTF DOJ/FBI to Trump is dangerous.  They are running the same play book they always run.  It's obvious.

Honestly I think it is much simpler than that.  I think Biden got pissed off at Garland and told him, "GET TRUMP RIGHT NOW OR I FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL!"


That actually seems likely.  Although said less coherently in real life.
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Donald Bumpstock Trump had his chance, time for Desantis.
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I would prefer the candidate the entire establishment is scared shitless of, and are desperate to destroy.
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Imagine shredding the nation over irrelevant documents that likely mean absolutely nothing over a marking made out to be a big deal because we aren't allowed to see what all the fuss is over.   #clownworld

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Exactly.

It’s always what’s NOT in the news story, that should be, that tells the truth of it.
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You guys are nuts if you think DeSantis would go in and buck the trend that is the Washington swamp after what he has seen they can do to someone .

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Agree
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Devil's in the details.  If that lawyer signed an affidavit stating there were no documents with classification markings on the premise and the FBI did in fact find documents with classification markings...  that lawyer lied.  Possibly committed perjury.  That might be a big deal to them and their future legal career in addition to potential consequences their client may face.
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So no longer classified, but marked classified. What's the problem?

Devil's in the details.  If that lawyer signed an affidavit stating there were no documents with classification markings on the premise and the FBI did in fact find documents with classification markings...  that lawyer lied.  Possibly committed perjury.  That might be a big deal to them and their future legal career in addition to potential consequences their client may face.


You mean like how Sdam Schiff altered evidence?
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The problem is DJT didn't actually DO anything.  He didn't "drain the swamp."   He literally did whatever he was told he should do by the swamp.  He just said some stuff once in a while and tweeted some stuff people didn't like.  He lost the election.  He didn't even fire Anthony Fauci.  No fucking balls.  All bluster.

We are now worse off than had he never existed.  

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That's a crock of shit.

Trump's problem when he entered office was threefold:

1) He didn't understand how government worked, because he'd never worked in government before. He thought it worked like the private sector/corporate America; it doesn't. You can't just fire people whenever you want, and every agency is its own little fiefdom whose employees play political games to protect and grow their budgets. It took him a while to figure this out.

2) He trusted the RNC to staff up agencies during his transition and for the first half of his term. The RNC staffed those agencies with swampy RNC operatives whose allegiance was to the GOPe, and not Trump. These people stonewallled his policies when they didn't like them, and worked against Trump when it suited their purposes.

3) Trump made the mistake of trusting too many people. Almost all of them stabbed him in the back or turned their backs on him when he needed them.

About midway into his term, he appeared to realize that his main problem was personnel, and he started staffing key positions with MAGA people instead of RNC flunkies. In the last year of his term, he tried to put Schedule F into place in order to really take control of agency staffing, but by then it was too late. It would have been there for him in a second term, but we all know what happened with that.

Will he make these mistakes again? I believe that he's learned from the mistakes of the first term and will approach a second term much differently. Why do I think this? I would strongly recommend that you read this recent report on his plan for a second term, and how he intends to smash the deep state and entrenched bureaucracy:

A radical plan for Trump’s second term

This is a long article but it is well worth a read. It's well-sourced, and if true, then it looks like Trump's team understands that they're at war and is approaching a second term as an opportunity to truly drain the swamp in a way that's never been done before.

I was a DeSantis guy until I saw this. We need this FAR more than we need DeSantis right now. DeSantis can have his shot after the bureaucracy has been dealt with. Let Trump have a shot at doing the tough, necessary stuff to get the government compliant, and then let Ron have 8 years to set things right.
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Cross-posting myself not because I think I have any special inside knowledge, but because I think too many people in these threads are trying to figure out the "REAL REASON" for the raid. They can and will lie to you repeatedly because
THEY DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.
Even if, by some MIRACLE Trump wins and fires TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE, he won't have made a serious dent in the power structure of DC. They are counting on you hoping Trump wins and starts firing people left and right.
BECAUSE YOU WILL BE THAT MUCH MORE DEMORALIZED WHEN IT GOES IMMEDIATELY BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL. Trump will be impeached a dozen times! He will be accused of strangling your grandmother to death while raping a baby racoon.

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER TO THESE PEOPLE THEY CAN AND WILL MAKE UP ANY BULLSHIT REASON WHATEVER MAKES SENSE TO THEM AT THE TIME AND ENOUGH IDIOTS WILL SLURP THAT FILTH UP TO MAKE IT WORTH THEIR WHILE

People are wasting time trying to guess the next move, you have to accept the plain fact that the federal government has fallen to the forces of evil. They believe themselves to be smart and moral, they believe YOU are the evil, stupid cancer that is holding America back from greatness.

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THEY DON'T WANT TO KEEP HIM FROM RUNNING

They want to scare away anyone who would dare help him win the next election.
Vulgar displays of power are the means AND the end.
They just need to make sure everyone knows who REALLY holds the power in DC.
Trump will run, and be more popular than ever.
But his circle will be at least 25% deep state plants or soon-to-be backstabbing bitches.
WHO ACTUALLY IS IN CHARGE HERE?
WHO HAS REAL POWER?
WHO IS WILLING AND ABLE TO USE THAT POWER TO FUCKING DESTROY YOUR FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY?
Everyone who might even SERIOUSLY CONSIDER working for TRUMP
IN DC
all of them, they would know that in 4 years or less, the REAL POWER will return, and it will show you ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING MERCY WHATSOEVER
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