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Joe told Iran to "limit" their strike to 200 missiles?

Iran informed Turkey in advance of its planned operation against Israel, a Turkish diplomatic source told Reuters on Sunday, adding that the US conveyed to Iran via Ankara that its operation must be "within certain limits."https://t.co/iG8Qr8WIYk

— The Jerusalem Post (@Jerusalem_Post) April 14, 2024

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This may or may not be an ideal opportunity for site resources to be realigned and
offensive posters, be purged.

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Lot's of clowns in this thread calling for a nuclear strike ,no wonder the left thinks

were nut's.

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Nothing like advocating silencing people for saying things you don't like.

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Haven't heard or read much about the Saudis. Did they shoot down any UAVs coming from Yemen?

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Lol, I got no dog in this hunt, but as a poet I truly am giggling at the unintentional irony of a former Yugoslavian calling someone else a communist.

No offense bro, I currently own many Yugo AK mags and assorted parts.

Brian Carter and Frederick W. Kagan

The Iranian April 13 missile-drone attack on Israel was very likely intended to cause significant damage below the threshold that would trigger a massive Israeli response.  The attack was designed to succeed, not to fail.  The strike package was modeled on those the Russians have used repeatedly against Ukraine to great effect. The attack caused more limited damage than intended likely because the Iranians underestimated the tremendous advantages Israel has in defending against such strikes compared with Ukraine. The Iranians will learn lessons from this strike and work to improve their abilities to penetrate Israeli defenses over time as the Russians have done in repeated strike series against Ukraine.

The strike consisted of approximately 170 drones, 30 cruise missiles, and 120 ballistic missiles.[1]  The drones were launched well before the ballistic missiles were fired, very likely in the expectation that they would arrive in Israel’s air defense window at about the same time as the cruise missiles and drones.  The Russians have used such an approach against Ukraine repeatedly.[2]  The purpose of such a package is to have the slower cruise missiles and drones distract and overwhelm air defenses in order to allow the ballistic missiles, which are much harder to shoot down, to reach their targets.  The Iranians very likely expected that few if any of the cruise missiles and drones would hit their targets, but likely hoped that a significantly higher percentage of the ballistic missiles would do so.

Only a few ballistic missiles penetrated Israeli air defenses and struck near Israeli military bases out of the 120 or so the Iranians fired.[3] Ukrainian air defenses have averaged interception rates of only about 46% of Russian ballistic missiles during recent large strikes.  The Iranians likely expected that Israeli rates would be higher than the Ukrainian rates but not above 90% against such a large ballistic missile salvo—the Russians, after all, have never fired close to that many large ballistic missiles in a single strike against Ukraine. Ukraine frequently intercepts more than 75% of Russian cruise missiles and drones, but many of those interceptions occur within the air defense umbrella that is also occupied with ballistic missile defense. The Iranians thus likely expected that at least some of their drones and cruise missiles would interfere with Israeli targeting of incoming ballistic missiles, whereas apparently none did.

Israel’s air defense system has a number of obvious advantages over Ukrainian air defense, but the full implications of some of those advantages might well have been unclear to Iranian strike planners. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Israel’s allies have much larger and robust anti-missile and air defense systems and stocks of interceptors for them than Ukraine does—especially as Ukraine exhausts its supplies of interceptors while awaiting renewed US military assistance.  Israel also benefits from the roughly 1,000 kilometers separating its borders from Iran’s.  Israel and its allies used that distance to intercept all of the incoming drones and cruise missiles with ground-based air defense and combat aircraft before they even came within Israel’s own missile-defense umbrella. Israel and its allies employed hundreds of combat aircraft in this effort.[4] Ukraine lacks both of these advantages.[5]  Iran also lacks access to the near-hypersonic missiles Russia has used to penetrate Ukrainian air defenses more reliably—at least for now.

Ukraine has, in particular, been unable to use combat aircraft to shoot down Russian drones and cruise missiles at scale, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky recently observed that Kyiv will likely use the F-16s Ukraine will receive this summer in those roles.[6] It has long been known that both drones and cruise missiles can be shot down by combat aircraft, but the Ukraine war has not yet seen a concerted effort made by a large and modern air force to intercept drone and cruise missile strikes at scale, and it is very possible that the Iranians underestimated the effectiveness of that effort.

Iran will learn additional lessons from the failed April 13 attack that it can leverage to launch more successful attacks in the future. The lessons that Iran will draw from this attack will allow it to build more successful strike packages in the future. The attack probably helped Iran identify the relative strengths and the weaknesses of the Israeli air defense system. Iran will likely also share the lessons it learned in this attack with Russia. Russia will then use these lessons to improve its ability to defeat US- and NATO-provided air defense systems in Ukraine. Iran may be able to share lessons with Russia about the relative strengths and weaknesses of US-built aircraft and air-to-air missiles in intercepting these missiles and drones.

Iran’s ability to penetrate Israeli air defenses with even a small number of large ballistic missiles presents serious security concerns for Israel. The only Iranian missiles that got through hit an Israeli military base, limiting the damage, but a future strike in which several ballistic missiles penetrate Israeli air defenses and hit Tel Aviv or Haifa could cause significant civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure, including ports and energy. Russian strikes on Ukraine have demonstrated that even a small number of precise strikes against key nodes in energy or other infrastructure can cause disproportionate effects. Israel and its partners should not emerge from this successful defense with any sense of complacency.

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A subterranean nuke would cause a pretty neat earthquake....

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Trust me, I know one when I see one.

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*BREAKING* - Roughly 50% of the ballistic missiles fired by Iran failed to launch or crash before reaching their target, three US officials say -\uD83D\uDE02 pic.twitter.com/CP8glW4VFl

Nakba  (@VictorNakba) April 14, 2024

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Jordanian Report picked up in Israel — King Abdullah’s daughter Salma involved in downing five Iranian UAVs pic.twitter.com/NdcCeEcrsP

— Matthew Levitt (@Levitt_Matt) April 14, 2024

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_3060_jpeg-3188033.JPG

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Shouldn't there be big buddy-booms by now?  Or is Israel waiting another day?

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??BREAKING

Iran's Supreme National Security Council has approved a tenfold increase in the magnitude of strikes against Israel if Netanyahu decides to escalate the situation further

Ig, which will be more than 1,000 ballistic missiles pic.twitter.com/XvRrT8ckPQ

Iran Observer  (@IranObserver0) April 14, 2024

Iran's Supreme National Security Council has approved a tenfold increase in the magnitude of strikes against Israel if Netanyahu decides to escalate the situation further

Ig, which will be more than 1,000 ballistic missiles

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Shouldn't there be big buddy-booms by now?  Or is Israel waiting another day?

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Waiting another day.

Israel is in a tough position here:  They can't allow this attack by Iran to go unpunished, but they can't really do anything without US help.

So Biden gets his way, for now.

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Israel should attack DC

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But muh economy and muh fuel prices.

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Israel doesn't need the U.S. for offensive help.  They are quite capable of handling that aspect.  I suspect they are analyzing both defensive and offensive capabilities and strike packages for themselves, and from the possible Iranian counteroffensive

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Given his posts so far his superior knowledge will remain unobtainable.

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Shouldn't there be big buddy-booms by now?  Or is Israel waiting another day?

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Eventually, Israel will attack and destroy Iran’s nuclear program.

This has always been true.

Iran’s silly drones are not a threat, but a nuke will become a threat, eventually.

“Eventually” might be soon.

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AFIK, Biden didn't say he would cut off all support, he said the U.S. would not participate in a retaliatory strike.

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GD isn't a safe space, maybe try Facebook?

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AFIK, Biden didn't say he would cut off all support, he said the U.S. would not participate in a retaliatory strike.

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If they strike them meaningfully enough to start a war, we're practically guaranteed to get involved in some capacity, even if it's a purely defensive role, but at that point I wouldn't really be surprised if Iran considers our assets in the region valid targets as well.

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it was probably this one and got dragged ashore.

Remains of an Iranian Emad medium range ballistic missile floating in the Dead Sea. pic.twitter.com/9beIBuPpEi

OSINTtechnical  (@Osinttechnical) April 14, 2024

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIruJSWEAEJcy6?format=jpg&name=large

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Eventually, Israel will attack and destroy Iran’s nuclear program.

This has always been true.

Iran’s silly drones are not a threat, but a nuke will become a threat, eventually.

“Eventually” might be soon.

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Iran really wants to get nuked I guess.

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I'm not sure they can get at the deep stuff conventionally.

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While it is hard to guess at parallel development, Rod's from God are at least in practicality a couple years away.  Nothing today can economically launch them - Starship will be able to.  Then you will need a space station for storage - again, probably will require Starship.  Then you will need a practical terminal guidance system that can withstand reentry heats.  That is probably a bigger problem than we think - Rod's are a kinetic weapon - and our standard re-entry systems rely on slowing down the vessel, not allowing it to speed up.  At least the cost of the Tungsten is not really a problem, under $100k per 24k lb rod.  Where we get it from, bigger problem.  While we could mine it domestically, we simply don't.

The project was openly researched before - but dismissed due to the orbital costs.  Starship in theory will cost 2m to launch and 100-150 ton payload, and could hold 8-12 rods at this point.  So perhaps we will get it down to to under $200k incremental costs per rod.   Apparently cruise missles cost $3m, but the service does want to get that down to $300k.  So potentially, rods could be more cost effective.  Anyway, I am sure the Army is interested in Starship - and I can be fairly certain some pencil heads are working on that re-entry system.  That all said, it would take a constellation of space stations to get fast response globally.  But when you look at what we spend on various other major weapons programs - it is economically doable.  Take a B-21 at $700m per copy.