And those "Flankers" will subsequently be destroyed upon delivery.

That would be hilarious if they got blown up before they were unloaded

If they were flown in using tankers it would be a great opportunity for the F-35I to get some air to air action

You left out the part where we send billions in cash to the bad guys on untracked planes in the dark of night so they can use our money for 'reasons'.

Machiavelli is smiling from his grave.

Not the case at all. The US government never told Israel not to use the weapons, they told them to stop using the weapons recklessly and  in furtherance of may be appear to be war crimes.

There’s a reason why the Israeli government got called to tribunal and received their first warning from the ICJ.

Explosions south of Baghdad, probably at the Iranian-backed PMF base.

\uD83D\uDD34 Grande esplosione a sud di #Baghdad, forse contro la base delle PMF appoggiata dall'Iran.#Iraq #Iran @Emergenza24 #news #breaking pic.twitter.com/i2dWUBXCEZ

DaniDan  (@DanieleDann1) April 20, 2024

Can't blame the Israelis.  I couldn't understand those instructions, either.  

That is 100% no lie. I’m the occasional drinking buddy with the Director of crisis management for a rather well-known mega resort casino.

He is a ex-British Army then worked as part of Princess Diana‘s security detachment (pretty cool when people challenge him and he shows them the pictures and you see them shrink back away or blush in embarrassment).

He told me in the original Iraq war, he was transitioned to a joint US/Brit unit for a bit, and during that time, one of his assignments was to guard / escort literal brick packs of fresh hundred dollar bills coming in on pallets on C-130s.  

Sounds like we are trying to tell them to fight wars like we do, if so they better be prepared to lose everyone of them

You cannot understand your backer and the ICJ telling you to stop missiling hospitals, stop shooting at reporters, and your civilian casualty rate is excessively high?

Let’s look at it a different way …
The American military spent 20 years in Afghanistan and during that time killed 70,000 civilians. Which is tragic. Nothing to feel good about at all.

The IDF has killed 35,000+ civilians in only six months. Not a year, not 10 years, not even 20; 6 months.

The worst part is this is combination with Ophir Falk’s, Foreign Policy Advisor to Netanyahu, public statement on CNN January 24 of this year where he said, “Israel will completely dismantled Gaza “, and then quickly shot that “shit” look on his face, demurred and tried to pivot because he realized he accidentally said the quiet part out loud.

It also does not help that he is a known member of the ultra-right branch group inside  the Israeli government that advances and supports Zionist theory and ideology.

AFG?
Official combat war operations in Afghanistan  ended in 2014. We eliminated ISIS (ISIS-K is not ISIS), we eliminated Al-Q, we eliminated all of the top leadership involved with 9/11 in the Taliban. Mission accomplished; move on.

Our mistake was then trying to stay to supply them with and transition to ‘Democracy’. That was not part of the mission nor the original plan. We tried to train their own citizenry and men who wouldn’t even fight for their own country nor from free of subrogation from the remaining bits of the Taliban. So we left.

Like I said two pages ago – American needs to stay out of the Middle East. It is a shit curse region that’s been in war with itself for 5000 years.

Civilian casualties excessively high, you say?

By what standard?

The hospitals and other targets are (were) mixed use facilities. Military HQ and weapons cashes are legitimate military targets, even when commingled with hospitals and other civilian infrastructure.

It is not Israel’s moral problem, it is Hamas’ moral problem. Hamas put their own people in harm’s way.

It is a terrible situation that Hamas brought upon itself. Hamas should be dismantled as Netanyahu suggests. There is no path to peace when with Hamas when Hamas doesn’t actually want peace. The only way to achieve peace in such a case is to destroy the side that does not seek peace.

Ahhh, and there you have it! A dead giveaway that our arfcom member who's trying to appear unbiased is actually of middle eastern descent. They just can't help but use the word "Zionist" that their mullah buddies teach them. They just can't help themselves with that zion jargon crap, and it always gives them away. lol

Try using the word "jew" next time like a normal hater and nobody will know who you are.... if you can control yourself.

You sure do like using Hamas' version of events as well as lying by omission.

Is that more of a rhetorical? When a military force tells a civilian population to move to a certain region for safety to avoid combat ops, then immediately begins to bombard and strike the region they just told them to go to for safety - that’s called setting them up in a kill box trap.  How many times has the IDF done this already now? My last count is about three.


That seems to be a flimsy narrative from the IDF and Israeli government.  

Let’s just say I’m not buying all of what the IDF claims.

I remember when they first struck the main hospital. They then went in and showed off their “evidence”.
All they displayed was a new, pristine ballistics vest sitting on a shelf (the hospital has been struck and there dust everywhere and on everything how is this stuff so new and pristine?), a single grenade, a few mags, and said they found an AK-47 and mags behind a MRI machine. And that’s a “command facility?

No to mention, who puts anything metal inside of an MRI room let alone behind the machine’s magnetron?! Sorry, that all reads too much like planted evidence to me.

It is not as the IDF and Israeli government don’t have a history of doing this. In 2010 they declared an humanitarian aid flotilla bound for Gaza was carrying weapons and arms for Hamas. They flew a bunch of IDF commandos out into international waters to invade and pirate the ships - killing several aid workers who resisted the attempt to have their ships taken by force.  When the investigation was done, guess what? There were no arms, no weapons - just relief aid.
The Israeli government lied.

Remember in 2014 when the Associated Press and Al-Jazeera both released news reports from Gaza exposing IDF crimes in the region and the Israeli government’s tacit support of Israeli developers stealing miles of Gaza territory to build illegal kibbutzs and settlements. Even sending in the IDF to take out the Gazans water supply and water cisterns so they had no water and had to leave.

What happened next? The IDF shortly thereafter launched an air strike and blew up the shared resource building that housed the news offices of the AP and Al-J, then claimed “oh, it was a Hamas intelligence center” yet provided zero evidence of such.

How don’t you know that Bibi, who was voted out of office, got back into office by soliciting and currying favor with a SELF-ADMITTED ZIONIST SECT/COALITION of the Israeli government.


To call me a “Middle Easterner” for stating established fact is incredibly ignorant on your part, intellectually dishonest, breathtakingly assumptive, and actually, offensive.

What part of my statement was a “lie by omission” or the “Hamas version”?
Ophir Falk stated what I wrote. The civilian death toll numbers have been largely confirmed by international NGOs.
My position on this matter has been incredibly transparent - so to reiterate in case you missed it …

Israel has to do that.

Those Flankers were payne t to iran for all the Shaheed drones they made for Russia to launch into Ukriane.

Then they need to wait until they are on the ground, turned over, and signed for, so that Iran doesn't try to claim they were lost in shipment and demand that Russia replace them at no additional cost.

Goodbye, click.

Has Isreal responded militarily to Iran's direct attack on Isreal yet?

FFS, at least read the thread title.

Data as confirmed by:

A) The United Nations


B) The IRC

C) Johns Hopkins University


D)Secondary aligning conclusions after independent review (aka scientific empirical  peer review) by the London School of Medicine.

Would you like to reform your answer or apologize for the personal slight?

Deuces.

Hamas/Iran wanted a fight and a fight they got. It is sad when "innocent lives" are destroyed but when everyone seems to chant death/extermination to a particular group, that group/you do what needs to be done. Look at how many Islamists in other countries don't get along with the rules of the country they went to and politicians kiss their butts and state everyone else needs to be more understanding and then they let them do what they want to do. That is nothing other than weak/pathetic leadership. We have to live our lives around them, as they don't want assimilation unless it is on their terms.

I have Armenian relatives who live in their section of Jerusalem.

They are fine over there and happy. They inter-married with Jews and Arabs and all converted to Christianity and whatever.


Krikorian clan has been their since the beginning and can trace themselves and their clan to at least 900 AD.

Attached File


There secret?

They make good coffee and that's it. This is the back of the cafe in the armenian quarter.


I'm proud they are family.

No fighting and clannish shit has happened to them since the middle ages.

IDF need not provide such evidence as you claim. The countries seeking to bring charges of war crimes need to provide the evidence that Israel is not acting within the boundaries of law-of-armed-conflict.

Furthermore, in terms of the so-called Just-War-Theory theory of proportionality, Hamas started this conflict with an attack on non-military targets, specifically attacking civilians, in their homes, at an outdoor concert, and along roadways. Hamas set the rules when they attacked first. It is beyond pathetic that anyone would complain Israel lacks restraint and has too high a civilian body count. Hamas and their fellow travelers have stated publicly their goal is to eliminate Israel; therefore Israel is justified to respond in kind until Hamas and the voters that put them in power either admit defeat and surrender or the threat they represent is eliminated.

lesson = don’t fire the first shot then complain about the repercussions

did you even read what you posted?  your first source explicitly states: "Disclaimer: The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures".

Who fired the first shot?

Israel has killed 35,000 people of which 12,000 were Hamas and 23,000 were civilians. That’s a CCR of 2/1 which is entirely reasonable in urban combat. It could be argued that it’s low when fighting a force who refuses to wear uniforms, locates command and control facilities among civilians and uses human shields.

The data in the reports has been confirmed after multiple independent bodies independently evaluated the using founded and validate means, satellite imagery, and another validated boots on the ground sources.

How can you deny this unless you’re of the position that these orgs are just rubber stamping and working in cahoots with Hamas - which is objectively hilarious considering the United Nations under UNR 181 is the body who created the Nation of Israel, and Johns Hopkins biggest funder to the tune of something like $2B has been Michael Bloomberg, who is Jewish.

This is GD, where Call of Duty is the closest most posters have been to combat.

That’s dope! I’ve got 4 buddies who are Israeli transplants, and two married outside the tribe so to speak. .

The problem is generally not the people, nor whatever Sky Daddy they want to pray to - skin color - customs or language, it’s the governmental policies and the ideologies from both sides of the conflict that always seem to lead to this morass.

Edge cases exist everywhere. Just like there were plenty of interracial relationships in America the 1800s and 1900s.

However, the exception cases are rarely the the majority or the rule.  But make no mistake I’m not saying they all hate each other.

To the contrary, Bibi has been squashing pretty large Israeli protest against him and against the continued invasion.

And if I recall correctly there’s even an Arab who sits on Israel’s version of their Supreme Court.  

They can all get along if they all wanted to in honest good faith they just don’t want to try.

5,000 years … and counting

The civilian casualty numbers reported by hamass terrorists have never been verified. They also count dead terrorists as civilians.
Israel has reported at least 14,000 confirmed terrorists killed.
Israel for the first time in history of any war has been warning the civilians ahead of time to get out of the combat zones. Dy dropping leaflets and even calling people's numbers.
Then we have so called "civilian" hamass supporters. Many so called civilians participated. Uh, and many UN employees and so called reporters participated in the massacre as well.
And then there is hamass intentionally stopping "civilians" from getting out of combat zones. They have stated many times they don't care if they die. In fact they want them to get killed by thousands, so they can use it as propaganda for the terrorist supporters worldwide to start riots, and attack Jews everywhere.

Hamass terrorists have always used hospitals and schools as operations bases.

And yes, the plan is dismantle Gaza. To dismantle it's system. Because it's been proven beyond any reasonable doubt the entire Gaza Strip is a terrorist camp. Kids are raised since early childhood to be terrorists.

Sorry boss, but when they are intentionally air striking independent global news centers like the AP and shooting tank rounds at reporters as revenge for doing their job to report the news which exposed some ugly truths - and IDF is claiming “oh, there’s a military facility there” - sir, they better have some damn strong evidence because that is crossing a well established line.

That kind of behavior is tyrannical. Dead stop.

there are no innocents.
stop whining like a woman.

Iran uses its proxy Hamas to attack Israel. So?

There are no non combatant Palestinians.  Therefore no civilian casualties.

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you can't be serious.

Edit

I greybarred this guy after his first wildly dishonest post or two, so the odd quote is the only place I get to see this crap (thankfully).

I'd just like to throw into the discussion the fact that the numbers put out by the Palestinians have also been scrutinized by people whose job it is to compile war statistics, and they have said across the board there is no possible way their numbers aren't a total fabrication.

"RE-SHUN!"

The Chief of Staff for the Popular Mobilization Force (PMF), Abu Fadak Al-Mohammedawi is claiming to have Discovered a Fin as well as several other Pieces of a GBU-12 Paveway II or lV Aerial Laser-Guided Bomb, used by the Israeli Air Force, at the Site of last night’s Attack and… pic.twitter.com/jm8lhTKmaT

OSINTdefender  (@sentdefender) April 20, 2024

To me this Fin doesn’t look like what the PMF is claiming it to be, with it instead, based on what appears to be Cyrillic Writing and the Hinges on the Side, appears to be some kind of Fin from a Soviet Air-to-Air or Surface-to-Air Missile like the K-13 which is used by the Iraqi… pic.twitter.com/U6v10lXnVw

OSINTdefender  (@sentdefender) April 20, 2024

Bring back the F-14 just to dogfight the Su-25s

They are old soviet shit

I've driven though Memphis.