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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:31:57 PM EST
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Quoted: Compared to what western civilization did to Dresden, Coventry Cathedral, Betlin and Monte Casino, not really. Look kids, I hate radical ropers as much as much as the next guy, but this idea of "western civilization" y'all are creating in your heads has to take the losses of WW2 into account. More damage was done to art and culture during this period than at any time in history. Europe rebuilt itself. As it will again. if y'all ever visit london, go see the the bomb damage on the Victoria and Albert museum. They kept one of the walls intact. There are countless plaques commemorating the losses diring the blitz, that give you some perspective how close the world came to oblivion. As a history buff, it pains me to see Notradame destroyed. But its the same kind of destruction and loss that was brought about in the war. All i'm saying is that human stupidity and ignorance applies to all sides. We would do well to learn from our mistakes. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:31:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  probably never been out of his trailer park. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:32:02 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:32:13 PM EST
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What an absolute shame. An absolute treasure of a building. Was just there last year, in the Summer.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:32:29 PM EST
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Columbus didn't set sail until two centuries after this Cathedral was built.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:33:58 PM EST
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Was in Paris last fall. We didn't get to see everything. It was my second time, but she is on the edge of tears.
During the French revolution the church was stripped of property and power. Napoleon's troops were less than kind to churches in countries they invaded, using them as stables. My first thought was to wonder if one of the rioters struck a match. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:34:06 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:34:16 PM EST
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13ers gonna 13. Look kids, I hate radical ropers as much as much as the next guy, but this idea of "western civilization" y'all are creating in your heads has to take the losses of WW2 into account. More damage was done to art and culture during this period than at any time in history. Europe rebuilt itself. As it will again. if y'all ever visit london, go see the the bomb damage on the Victoria and Albert museum. They kept one of the walls intact. There are countless plaques commemorating the losses diring the blitz, that give you some perspective how close the world came to oblivion. As a history buff, it pains me to see Notradame destroyed. But its the same kind of destruction and loss that was brought about in the war. All i'm saying is that human stupidity and ignorance applies to all sides. We would do well to learn from our mistakes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Compared to what western civilization did to Dresden, Coventry Cathedral, Betlin and Monte Casino, not really. Look kids, I hate radical ropers as much as much as the next guy, but this idea of "western civilization" y'all are creating in your heads has to take the losses of WW2 into account. More damage was done to art and culture during this period than at any time in history. Europe rebuilt itself. As it will again. if y'all ever visit london, go see the the bomb damage on the Victoria and Albert museum. They kept one of the walls intact. There are countless plaques commemorating the losses diring the blitz, that give you some perspective how close the world came to oblivion. As a history buff, it pains me to see Notradame destroyed. But its the same kind of destruction and loss that was brought about in the war. All i'm saying is that human stupidity and ignorance applies to all sides. We would do well to learn from our mistakes. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:34:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10? LOL It took 200 years the first time... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:34:43 PM EST
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It will get replaced with a mosque
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:35:06 PM EST
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New pope?  Edit: see this is a lot more than a smile fire... truly tragic and a monumental loss for human history |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:35:07 PM EST
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Seems pretty obvious. Holy week. Catholic churches being attacked all over France. The one month anniversary of the New Zealand Massacre on the 3/15 of last month. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:35:15 PM EST
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Moral relativism. You are a vector for the disease that will end the enlightenment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Compared to what western civilization did to Dresden, Coventry Cathedral, Betlin and Monte Casino, not really. Look kids, I hate radical ropers as much as much as the next guy, but this idea of "western civilization" y'all are creating in your heads has to take the losses of WW2 into account. More damage was done to art and culture during this period than at any time in history. Europe rebuilt itself. As it will again. if y'all ever visit london, go see the the bomb damage on the Victoria and Albert museum. They kept one of the walls intact. There are countless plaques commemorating the losses diring the blitz, that give you some perspective how close the world came to oblivion. As a history buff, it pains me to see Notradame destroyed. But its the same kind of destruction and loss that was brought about in the war. All i'm saying is that human stupidity and ignorance applies to all sides. We would do well to learn from our mistakes. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:35:31 PM EST
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funny, that started out as church, an eastern orthodox church. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Breaking: France, we will rebuild. They have already submitted a model of the new cathedral. Pope gives it his blessing! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/139135/IMG_1506_JPG-913514.JPG   Attached File |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:35:38 PM EST
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They didn't have cordless power tools the first time... or corded ones, either... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:35:51 PM EST
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Holy reliquaries and devotional objects were a highly profitable venture a milllenia ago. Churches who bought them knew they were dubious relics, but also realized that they would earn a steady stream of money from Christians on pilgrimage who came to worship the relics. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:36:03 PM EST
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Pretty sad if it was arson. Perhaps this will wake up the cheese eating surrender monkeys to the dangers of those who would set such a fire.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:36:14 PM EST
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Don’t the French celebrate Easter on Monday? Wouldn’t today be the start of Holy Week for them? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:36:43 PM EST
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Same thing happened to a famous church in Milwaukee recently. Construction on roof and the contractor fucked up. It happens during renovations and work sometimes.
https://fox6now.com/2018/05/16/massive-fire-causes-17m-damage-to-trinity-lutheran-church-in-downtown-milwaukee/amp/ |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:37:06 PM EST
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As long as the stone frame remains intact, there is always hope of rebuilding it.
This is a church building in Utah that burned completely to the stone/brick walls. Although this is a much smaller building, they were able to stabilize it and rebuild. Here it is on stilts as they poured a new stronger foundation. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:37:21 PM EST
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Only thing I can think of is airport fire fighting foam. Too late now obviously. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:37:24 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:37:50 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:37:51 PM EST
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It will get replaced with a mosque 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:37:53 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:37:53 PM EST
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Hopefully when the fire first broke out some staff had a plan to rescue some of the more profound objects inside. Seems that the English have plans like this in place when various castles and churches have burned in the last decade. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:38:02 PM EST
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They didn't have cordless power tools the first time... or corded ones, either... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: 10? LOL It took 200 years the first time... How long would that take, now? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:38:18 PM EST
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Am I the only one that's extremely pissed off here? And I'm not even French. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:38:18 PM EST
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some people have no understanding of history or culture. probably never been out of his trailer park. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: probably never been out of his trailer park. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:38:37 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:38:48 PM EST
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Just caught it on the news, what a shame. A historical landmark up in smoke.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:39:18 PM EST
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This is awful.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:39:27 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:39:53 PM EST
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Guys.... yesterday was Palm Sunday. This week is a Holy week. I SERIOUSLY doubt they have construction going on right now. Let's be real here.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:39:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They didn't have cordless power tools the first time... or corded ones, either... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:40:03 PM EST
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I am shocked a building of such importance and size didn’t have a sprinkler/fire suppression system installed.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:40:15 PM EST
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Incalculable loss. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:40:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Empire State Building took 13 months, from breaking ground to occupying offices. How long would that take, now? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:40:24 PM EST
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in on ...uh... 16... looks like 16. wonder wtf happened
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:40:40 PM EST
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You're a hilarious fucking asshole. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nope. The kid at the Mall of America, yep. A building and artwork, while valuable and pretty, nope. Some people are so dense. You can be a complete atheist and still see the historical significance of that church to western civilization. Losing history is a terrible thing. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:40:58 PM EST
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Are the American people willingly destroying our own culture through our importation of third-world migrants? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I haven't read this entire thread. If someone did it on purpose, yeah that's pretty shitty. If it was an accident then it was an accident. The French people are willingly destroying their own culture through their importation of third-world migrants. The loss of a building is the least of their problems. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:40:59 PM EST
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:41:06 PM EST
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I hope it was an accident and not intentional. Either way the world had lost an irreplaceable piece of history. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:41:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The top photo is not of Notre Dame. Paris was not bombed in WW2. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:41:17 PM EST
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Give it a break. All of this speculative nonsense accomplishes nothing. The GD is so like CNN and MSNBC when they speculate about Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems pretty obvious. Holy week. Catholic churches being attacked all over France. The one month anniversary of the New Zealand Massacre on the 3/15 of last month. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:41:27 PM EST
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I don’t know why the hell they would celebrate on a Monday but we are now in Holy Week Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don’t the French celebrate Easter on Monday? Wouldn’t today be the start of Holy Week for them? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:41:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't imagine much evidence being left after a fire of that magnitude. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:42:01 PM EST
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In terms of architecture, this is a horrible day.
My faith aside, this fucking sucks!
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:43:07 PM EST
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What the world is losing...... http://i.imgur.com/vnUuKko.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LvKQUIa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/w7HIY7B.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0nQV0Tq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6WE8Y4r.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BAy5wyI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GYs31LQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jA1eBl7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oxxgFs2.jpg
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:43:19 PM EST
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Heavy security inside the cathedral.
Unsecured scaffolding with probably no security outside. After hours when no ones working. Like another poster said, there's not a lot of welding or shit like that. |
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