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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:47:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:47:55 PM EDT
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Watching it burn is gut wrenching. I don't believe anybody has been injured, and for that I am thankful, but to see an irreplaceable monument filled with historical treasures, a work of art both inside and out be destroyed is tragic. Even though they are just man made things that were destined to crumble at some point. It is sad that it's fate befell today. Main structure is reported to have been saved and is safe. There has been work ongoing on the roof of the building in the approximate location where the fire is reported to have started. Incident is being treated as an accidental fire at this point but a full investigation will no doubt be carried out to establish the cause if possible. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:48:08 PM EDT
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News just said the bell towers are safe and much of the artwork is being evacuated.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:48:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:49:06 PM EDT
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I don't think they can admit it it's terrorism, even if it was. That would be globally destabilizing. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:49:12 PM EDT
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I don't think this was a ROPer event or even a construction accident; I think the Catholic Church set the fire so they could get the insurance money. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:49:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:50:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:50:59 PM EDT
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Excellent news. I hope it can be rebuilt at some point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was built over generations of craftsman, who honed their trade for one specific purpose through father to son. It was constructed with old growth trees that don't exist anymore. With mortar recipes that have been lost over time. It held a thousand years of history, and had artifacts from the time of Jesus Christ. This cannot, ever be rebuilt. It is a human achievement of the highest order, and our world will never have it back. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:51:50 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter. It was built over generations of craftsman, who honed their trade for one specific purpose through father to son. It was constructed with old growth trees that don't exist anymore. With mortar recipes that have been lost over time. It held a thousand years of history, and had artifacts from the time of Jesus Christ. This cannot, ever be rebuilt. It is a human achievement of the highest order, and our world will never have it back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was built over generations of craftsman, who honed their trade for one specific purpose through father to son. It was constructed with old growth trees that don't exist anymore. With mortar recipes that have been lost over time. It held a thousand years of history, and had artifacts from the time of Jesus Christ. This cannot, ever be rebuilt. It is a human achievement of the highest order, and our world will never have it back. Could have been much worse... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:52:47 PM EDT
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I don't think this was a ROPer event or even a construction accident; I think the Catholic Church set the fire so they could get the insurance money. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: excellent still a shame though. Always feels different when the original work isn't there Not trolling, honest question. It has to be somewhat like the "farmer with the same ax" story. Clearly, from the photo posted earlier in the thread, the spire had been rebuilt at some point. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:53:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:53:59 PM EDT
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excellent still a shame though. Always feels different when the original work isn’t there Quote HistoryQuoted:
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850 years of splendor and history. That is the worst if it. It wasn't avoided. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:54:29 PM EDT
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So, you might be asking: Why /not/ use planes or helicopters to fight the fire at Notre Dame? Let's talk about it! (1/n)... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1117865058145427462.html |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:54:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:55:27 PM EDT
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I wonder how much was "original" after 850 years. Not trolling, honest question. It has to be somewhat like the "farmer with the same ax" story. Clearly, from the photo posted earlier in the thread, the spire had been rebuilt at some point. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:56:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, actually. There's a boom on building new Catholic churches, or replacing shitty boomer '60s piles of crap, with ones that look old world European. Some of the stuff for them comes from stuff boomers ripped out, but there's still skills to build good looking older style stuff. My wife does stained glass and I do tile and stone. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:56:13 PM EDT
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I don't think they can admit it it's terrorism, even if it was. That would be globally destabilizing. The media and politicians are all too eager to cover up what doesn’t fit their preferred narrative. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:56:33 PM EDT
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"That's real retarded" |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:56:55 PM EDT
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Hell, I'm already about hated here - so I'll say it: The French fought beside us in our own revolution. They fought beside us in two world wars. They gifted us the Statue of Liberty. Today, I morn alongside my French brothers for what is lost. Today is not the day for jokes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sad if it was arson. Perhaps this will wake up the cheese eating surrender monkeys to the dangers of those who would set such a fire. The French fought beside us in our own revolution. They fought beside us in two world wars. They gifted us the Statue of Liberty. Today, I morn alongside my French brothers for what is lost. Today is not the day for jokes. The damned chilling thing about it is, I remember 9/11 being a beautiful blue bird day here. Today is damn near identical. So sad. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:57:32 PM EDT
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france24.com is ignoring the recent history of attacks on Catholic churches in France. Stating fairly flatly that "All of this speculation is completely baseless."
Uh huh. I mean it will probably end up having been accidental. But maybe not. All avenues of investigation should be pursued. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:57:41 PM EDT
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Good! I hope the muzzies did it and a holy war starts... The French (for all the weirdness sometimes) are our allies and we should back them up. Fuck it, just send that one SAS dude from Kenya to sort the fuckers out. In the end, it’s going to be a construction accident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A guy I worked with a few years back is in Paris right now, and posted some pictures. He says the French people are VERY ANGRY. Talk of it being arson, etc. I'm not sure we have any solid news of that yet, but he has gotten as close as he can to the cathedral, and that's what he's hearing from the French people there. Fuck it, just send that one SAS dude from Kenya to sort the fuckers out. In the end, it’s going to be a construction accident. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:58:13 PM EDT
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10? LOL It took 200 years the first time... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It took them 2 years just to put up the scaffolding. This thing is going to take 10 more years to rebuild. LOL It took 200 years the first time... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:58:33 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/319551/flw_quote_jpg-913657.JPG I hope it can be rebuilt in a way that respects its history  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:58:39 PM EDT
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This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? That incident was three years ago - now go look up when those arrested were sentenced. Look at all of the images and video from Paris of people laughing and joking while posing with the fire in background - and at who is doing the celebrating. There is plenty of reason to think that there is an elevated chance of arson being involved. Reflexive PC bullshit is a capitulation, and plenty of us are not going to put up with it anymore. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:58:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:59:03 PM EDT
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This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:59:03 PM EDT
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I wonder how much was "original" after 850 years. Not trolling, honest question. It has to be somewhat like the "farmer with the same ax" story. Clearly, from the photo posted earlier in the thread, the spire had been rebuilt at some point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: excellent still a shame though. Always feels different when the original work isn't there Not trolling, honest question. It has to be somewhat like the "farmer with the same ax" story. Clearly, from the photo posted earlier in the thread, the spire had been rebuilt at some point. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:59:03 PM EDT
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A guy I worked with a few years back is in Paris right now, and posted some pictures. He says the French people are VERY ANGRY. Talk of it being arson, etc. I'm not sure we have any solid news of that yet, but he has gotten as close as he can to the cathedral, and that's what he's hearing from the French people there. If islamists were to torch one of the greatest churches of Christianity, yes, that'd be more than sufficient reason to go to war. Conversely, if christians were to attack Mecca, the islamists would be fully justified in starting an open war as well. I prefer peace. But some insults and some acts of aggression are justification for going to war. Premeditated arson of a major religious monument and world landmark for reasons of religious beliefs would qualify. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:59:07 PM EDT
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Interior images: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OUFP9W4AAGBXe?format=jpg&name=900x900https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OUFP4WkAEVBIc?format=jpg&name=small |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:59:57 PM EDT
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It is difficult for many to accept something tragic as senseless and random, there's often a degree of comfort that an act (even something really horrific) was the planned work of someone, it's more tangible, and easier to steer emotion toward revenge. If it was lightning, many would be left with "why" and have no acceptable answer. If it was some asshole executing agenda, that's easily understood, rationalized, and the reactions all come from an existing catalog. It's that much more senseless if some tool was soldering pipe and just burned down one of the most important buildings in the history of buildings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This was 3 years ago. Is it preferable to most on this site that this is a ROP job vs a simple construction accident that caused this? If it was lightning, many would be left with "why" and have no acceptable answer. If it was some asshole executing agenda, that's easily understood, rationalized, and the reactions all come from an existing catalog. It's that much more senseless if some tool was soldering pipe and just burned down one of the most important buildings in the history of buildings. I was thinking about my own feelings on this tragedy. This helps. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:00:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:00:50 PM EDT
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The Church doesn’t own the cathedral dumbass. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:00:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:01:28 PM EDT
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There is plenty of reason to think that there is an elevated chance of arson being involved. Reflexive PC bullshit is a capitulation, and plenty of us are not going to put up with it anymore. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:01:59 PM EDT
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Sorry but the craftsmanship just isn't there. the skillsets have changed from hammer an chisel to CNC. And the glass made today cannot replicate 13th century stuff. Same with the lead used to fabricate those windows, tons of it. My wife does stained glass and I do tile and stone. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:02:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:03:30 PM EDT
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Not in clown world. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/233511/1555358641549_png-913660.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/319551/flw_quote_jpg-913657.JPG I hope it can be rebuilt in a way that respects its history https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/233511/1555358641549_png-913660.JPG |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted Probably Back on Page 4 and quite a few pages since then:
You guys are idiots for suggesting that a mosque will be built there  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted Probably Back on Page 4 and quite a few pages since then:
You guys are idiots for suggesting that a mosque will be built there Quoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, I'm already about hated here - so I'll say it: The French fought beside us in our own revolution. They fought beside us in two world wars. They gifted us the Statue of Liberty. Today, I morn alongside my French brothers for what is lost. Today is not the day for jokes. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:04:55 PM EDT
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Very true. I doubt there is anyone that knows how to build any of that today. I fear they will rebuild it with steel and modern materials. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry but the craftsmanship just isn't there. the skillsets have changed from hammer an chisel to CNC. And the glass made today cannot replicate 13th century stuff. Same with the lead used to fabricate those windows, tons of it. My wife does stained glass and I do tile and stone. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:05:21 PM EDT
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The war started 18 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is how wars start. I pray that it was an accidental cause. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:05:34 PM EDT
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Not in clown world. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/233511/1555358641549_png-913660.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/319551/flw_quote_jpg-913657.JPG I hope it can be rebuilt in a way that respects its history https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/233511/1555358641549_png-913660.JPG |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:05:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's preferable that the MSM and various virtue-signalling obsessed dingbats pull their heads out of their asses. That incident was three years ago - now go look up when those arrested were sentenced. Look at all of the images and video from Paris of people laughing and joking while posing with the fire in background - and at who is doing the celebrating. There is plenty of reason to think that there is an elevated chance of arson being involved. Reflexive PC bullshit is a capitulation, and plenty of us are not going to put up with it anymore. The GWOT is still very much on. Our Western/Christan values aren't allowing us to win. Meanwhile, ISIS supporters walk next to or respond to tragedies, that befall us, with jubilation. It's a shame and I wish we were more prepared for violence of action on, say, September 12, 2001. Modern terrorists smile for the camera with impunity. It's a crying shame we always assume the worst is caused by the muslim. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:05:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPOS macron.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:05:51 PM EDT
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If the main stone structures are standing, it can be rebuilt. A shocking number of historic buildings in Europe have been restored after damage, given the European propensity for fighting amongst themselves.
Much has been lost and cannot be recreated in its true form, such as ancient glasswork. But, the stonework is the main concern, even if the adornment is new. It will take decades to complete, though. It will be an engineering marvel to pull it off. Reinforcing the structure enough to even work will be difficult, and then rebuilding a supporting framework. The interior may have to be carved out and a steel skeleton put in... then covered in new stone/plaster. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:05:54 PM EDT
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Seriously? Notre Dame is owned by the French government? I guess that explains why Macron just tweeted that France will rebuild it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Church doesn’t own the cathedral dumbass. Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is among seventy churches in Paris built before that year that are owned by the French State. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purpose in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, security, heating and cleaning, and assuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French State |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:06:11 PM EDT
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A short time later... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Originally Posted Probably Back on Page 4 and quite a few pages since then:
You guys are idiots for suggesting that a mosque will be built there |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:06:16 PM EDT
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