Good point. Saudi Arabia spends a good deal of cash on fostering Islam in that area. They have Bosnia in their pocket.

Who gives a flying fuck what some Russian cunt has to say?

Just sayin'.

Serbia is aligned with Russia.

Some here would support Serbia simply because they will be fighting Muslims.

If this is the case, should we have supported the Chechens as well?

A pox on both their houses, Serbia and Russia. And if the Muslims are acting up because they think they have NATO by the balls, fuck them too.

Do they have a public school system and of so, how is it? The Saudis have had the best luck radicalizing the locals in nations that lack free public education, like Pakistan and Afghanistan. They build free public schools and spent almost the entire school day radicalizing the children and teaching them to hate America and Israel. The kids learn the basics, such as math and reading (usually in Arabic and not their native tongue.) When they graduate, they are fully indoctrinated in radical Islam and hatred of America and Israel.

When the parents are asked why they send their kids to schools that teach radical Islam and hate, invariably the answer is it was that or nothing. Radical Islam, Arabic and basic math or no education at all.

These kids are the next generation of 9/11 terrorists. They need to be identified and reprogrammed. Those that don't reprogram need to be put down, as savage as that sounds. These kids cannot be let loose. They have been programmed since childhood to be terrorists.

The Saudis are back at it in Pakistan and Afghanistan. There's a documentary on Youtube about it.

But look at all the Muslim goodwill the US benefited from for helping Muslims in Kosovo and Somalia.

You didn't think that through.

Crown Prince Mohammad Salman is a reformer and is removing radical Islam from his schools.

Why do you think the press keeps pushing the dead reporter Saudi connection?

They want to get rid of the reformer and Install radicalism again to keep the plan in motion.

THE SERBS!!!

Fuck Albania and all the other Muslims in Christian lands !

Long live the chetniks!

In before a certain member comes in here and tells us how great the Ottoman turks invasion of eastern Europe was such a great thing , and how the mean old nasty orthodox Christians are just picking on those poor nice Muslims turk halfbreeds!

Ummm...the Chechens are muslims. Your logic, I can no follow.

We need to let the Serbs take care of old business and push those turk half  breeds back to Central Asia! This is old business, what's left of the Ottoman occupation of Eastern Europe.

And while we're at it , can.we please re take Constantinople?

Something similar happens in American schools as well, just substitute government for Islam.

I grew up in Detroit, were there is a large population of Serbs.  They were some of the nicest people I have ever had the privilege of knowing.

You mean like letting the German Secret Police (BND) handpick the leadership of the Kosovo Liberation Army in the 1990s to destabilize Serbia?

Amen ^^^^^

DONME

I definitely don't disagree.

The Serbs allied with Russia because we bombed them for removing kebab (and to divert attention from Oval Office felatio).

The Serbians were solid allies in both world wars, and fought Nazis and commies at the same time (unfortunately the commies got the better of them).

I think we are still there, had a co worker get deployed there a few years back in a ang.

Mother Teresa was an ethnic Albanian, born in an Albanian inhabited area that is now a made-up country, which is still 1/4 to 1/3 Albanian.

The Albanians are indigenous to that land and inhabited it before the Serbs existed as a people.  The Serbs migrated over in small groups from beyond Poland/Russia after the 7th century AD and built their empire in the 1300s.  They assimilated some of the indigenous population over the centuries, but not all.  Historian Noel Malcolm wrote a book on Kosova and it can be summarized very briefly in this article: Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian

The Albanians always maintained a majority of the population and under multiple points in their history Kosova was either independent or not part of Serbia.  Trying to change this would be like asking Ireland to submit to the English again.  Not gonna happen.

Bill Clinton did the right thing for the wrong reason.  I'm glad he intervened, but I know it wasn't for altruistic reasons.  I'll take it.

The Kosovars fought for their independence from an authoritarian communist police state that was committing genocide against their people.  The average ARFcommer's wet dream.

I don't see any good guys over there, just a bunch of commie leftovers, criminals and Russian interference to stir up trouble. None of these wackos have any problem with killing innocent people.

@eesmith

I'm Albanian.  You could tell by my username and my avatar, which is a photo of Albanian Mountaineers from northern Albania and Montenegro in armed rebellion against the Ottoman Empire circa 1911.
I'm also Catholic.  Our people have a Christian history, being one of the regions St. Paul originally preached the Gospel, to our bishops taking part in ecumenical councils like the Council of Nicaea, to there being 4 Popes of our heritage, to the latest Albanian to be canonized as a saint: Mother Teresa.

I am aware that a majority of Albanians are Muslim, today, when you factor in Albanians from all 6 countries they are indigenous to.  If you look at the country of Albania (which only contains 1/2 of Albanians), roughly half of the population (or more) is Christian (Catholic and Orthodox), while the rest is Muslim and atheist/agnostic.  In Kosova and Macedonia you will have mostly Muslims, although there are Catholics there too.  And in Montenegro you will have many more Catholics.  We exist, and it's a tradition we've upheld for 2 millenniums, in spite of forced conversion to Islam.

I know it's not really applicable here, but in a thread about the balkans might as well throw in a Za Slobodu Hrvatske.

Because we have a Commander-in-Chief that gave a lawful order and if you wear the uniform you follow orders. That is how it works. Can't get the shit talk out of your mind then don't enlist, vote for Hillary next time around. Not going to get better with her for sure.

Don't be in a hurry. They are all hate filled crap eaters. Let them all kill each other. Sooner or later they will exterminate themselves. They've been at it for a thousand years and aren't going to stop any time soon.

Albania is Christian land that was among the first to practice Christianity.  This is in the Bible in Romans 15:19:
My preference would be that the Serbs went back to the area beyond Poland/Russia from whence they came, and the Turks never advanced beyond Constantinople.

PS - Albanian's national hero, Gjergj Kastrioti, united the Albanians in a Holy War against the Ottoman Turks in the 1400s, and defeated them for 25 years, even after they conquered Constantinople.

I will end by saying Fuck the Serbs, Fuck the Russians, and Fuck the Turks.

That area has basically been whichever group comes to power brutalizing the other groups for past abuses for all of known history.  The Serbs are still butthurt that their imperial ambitions got shut down by the Ottomans in the Battle of Maritsa in 1371 and again in 1389 in the Battle of Kosovo.

The Serbs are Slavs, they're culturally aligned with the Russians.  Some may have fought the Russians, but had predominance under the Tito regime, and used their control of the military and military production to start ethnic cleansing in the '90's and to force the various countries to stay part of a Serbian-controlled country.  There was a real risk of WW3 breaking out with Russian, Turkish, and Greek involvement if we didn't intervene as a mostly third-party to enforce peace between all of the groups (granted, we provided a lot of assistance to certain groups, most notably the Croatians, once we got involved).

The Russian embassy in Britain has the most entertaining official tweets. The unofficial accounts are over the top enjoyable sometimes

Your chronology leaves out a bunch of factors that played into what happened. Sure, the Serbs are pan-Slavic as all hell, and Russia-aligned, but... Our meddling in that region goes back a long, long way. One of the factors that played into the events of the late 1980s and early 90s was directly due to US State Department interference in internal Yugoslav affairs. Alia Izitbegovic was the Bosniak Muslim who started agitating for a return to those old-time religious values, and when Tito's people wanted to crush his ass, we said "No, no... Is religious man, is good... Leave him alone, or else... Consequences...".

So, Izitbegovic got to keep making trouble, and agitating, which got a bunch of Serbs looking at him and going "Hmmm...". Which encouraged the ethnic separatists in Serbia and other regions to start acting up, 'cos it was popular and looked like it might need doing, anyway.

See, the deal with the Serb reaction to Izitbegovic has a lot to do with history: The Bosniak Muslims are basically Serbs, too--Only, they were the turncoat quisling Serbs who converted over to Islam, and then spent their time running the administration of the area under the Turkish Empire. Which, ohbytheway, included a whole lot of "selling South" of Serb kiddies and women, who'd be enslaved for minor little things like daddy not being able to pay his taxes to the townie traitors who were running things. Lots of Serbs wound up on the blocks down in Istanbul, sold for harem duty or cannon fodder as Janissaries. So, when Izitbegovic says "Bring back that old-time religion...", what that said to the average Serb, who has a hell of a long memory, was that the Bosniak Muslims want to bring back the good old days when they were running things, and the average Serb was a serf to be sold.

See, in the tit-for-tat climate of the Balkans, failure to know, remember, and act on your history is inimical to continued survival--Because, your neighbors damn sure will.

And, of course, our glorious State Department was oblivious to this. So, they told Tito's guys (Tito was pretty much out of it, by this period...) that we would not tolerate any harm coming to our (and, Saudi Arabia's...) guy, Izitbegovic. In essence, the State Department pulled out one of the little rocks at the bottom of the slide area that was holding back the avalanche, and here we are.

The US didn't explicitly plan for the things that happened, but our failure to comprehend the region damn sure didn't help matters any.

Kiss my ass.

Agree.  Perfidy and self interest dragged our national honor through the cesspit.

You guys relieved us. The Albanians weren't angels either, and Serbs were also being oppressed by the state.

My experience in Kosovo was that, while both sides didn't mess with us, the Albanians dropped trash everywhere but the dumpsters, and always wanted something from you; like sodas, MREs and Cigarettes. The Serbs never asked for anything, and if there was an exchange, they always gave you food or liquor, which we had to take, and they always gave you two shots of Ouzo. We had an OP where early in the morning, even in snow, some old Serb lady in her 70s or 80s would shuffle out and ask if you wanted tea or coffee, then go back in and come out with a pot of honey lemon tea or Turkish coffee. Oh, and the Serb town was very clean.

That said, we should not support Russia's proxies.

And, of course, the unasked question was "Why did the Yugoslav government do this, in the first place...?".

The answer was that they'd been dealing with thirty years of BS from the Albanians, who'd been let in by Tito because... Well, to put a stick in the eye of the Albanian government under Hoxha. During the immediate post-WWII period, Kosovo had only a tiny fraction of Albanians, mostly on the borders. Thanks to Tito, all that changed, and a lot of Serbs got pushed out economically and "migrated" to the urban areas of Serbia in order to work in the factories. The Albanian refugees fell in on their old agricultural roles. And, ohbytheway, their land.

What happened in Kosovo was the result of deliberate government policies. Left to their own devices, odds are that the Serbs of Kosovo would have never left, and the Albanians would have stayed in Albania.

Whole thing is a mess. The Albanians had a bunch of La Raza-like BS going on, agitators and activists, many of whom were completely OK with doing seriously criminal shit to their neighbors. Who, of course, responded in a very like manner, and the government had to resort to more and more extreme measures to try to keep a lid on things.

And, of course, with the Yugoslav government, we're not talking about nice people. Look into all the massacres of Chetniks, and anyone else who opposed them. The hills of Croatia are filled with mass graves, including some pretty deep mines and caves that got filled in. The overall numbers are pretty depressing, especially when you add in everybody the Germans killed. Post-WWII Yugoslavia was basically a giant open-air PTSD ward. Still is, to tell the truth.

The funniest part of Russian propaganda is this whole "defending Christianity" schtick they push when they get involved in places like the Balkans.

Russian interests in the Balkans are 100% about what is best for Russia, not defending Christian Serbs from Muslims.

Sounds like a recruiting commercial for the 21st Waffen SS Mountain Division Skanderbeg (Albanian).

PS you forgot the Jews.

Very true.  In addition to the Albanian  21st SS Skanderbeg, the Croats had the 13th Waffen SS Mountain Division and the 23rd SS Kama divisions both of which included Bosnians.  These divisions were used in anti-partisan operations and used to round up Jews and Orthodox Serbs and to operate death camps.

So any new updates as far as the incident from yesterday?

Zastava is still making AKs.

Hopefully no news is good news.

Mmmmm.... Zastava....

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I was wondering when this would show up.  

Underground as in subterranean or as in covert, or both?

Anyone have a sense of Putin's domestic situation?  Anything going on that would lead to this?

@mattja She’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs official Russian government account

While the Ottoman Empire did not keep meticulous census data, it's reasonable to assume an accordion affect of ethnicities in the region throughout the centuries.  However, to say that post-WWII only had a tiny fraction of Albanians is simply not true.  The evidence comprises the historic, political, photographic, and linguistic.  Taking the latter alone, Kosovar Albanians have a distinct dialect, not only in accent, but also in unique words.  That is not something that develops over one or two generations.

Russia, Belarus, Serbia to hold joint military drills on June 14-27:https://t.co/RSeHwAJs6B pic.twitter.com/YfOQO2sv26

— TASS (@tassagency_en) June 6, 2019

Shortly after we occupied Pristina my unit went from covert close observation to more overt OP's on a high rise block.

One evening the stood down team were invited to dinner in the building by an elderly Serb couple in their late 70's.

Part way through dinner the door was kicked in by a group of scum bag Albanian UCK fucks planning to torture and murder the elderly couple. Not part of the plan was six pipe hitting Observers armed to the teeth. after much begging from our UCK heroes they were handed over to the Para Reg.