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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:31:41 AM EDT
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This is clearly an Iranian act of war. I hope it can await a week and a half so I can be back in country and see what’s up. It takes forever to mobilize the reserves though.
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:32:07 AM EDT
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Long overdue for a few bombs.
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:36:31 AM EDT
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It looks like the MQ-4C unit cost is about $180 million. 
ETA 120 if you don't count R&D I don't know what our response will be, but I hope we do something. Unfortunately, the only thing the Iranian gov't understands is force and raw power. Any conciliatory act on our part is viewed as a lack of resolve or worse. While we've definitely poked them a few times over the years, they embarrassed our sailors by seizing a ship in international waters, supplied the insurgents in Iraq with IEDs and bomb making materials, stole a high end drone and presumably gave it to China/Russia, and now this. We need to do something. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:37:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:37:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:38:45 AM EDT
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that pic is from a drone being shot down in Yemen in 2017 Quote HistoryQuoted:
that pic is from a drone being shot down in Yemen in 2017 |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:40:20 AM EDT
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I think it’s gonna get bad. We went to war with Iraq the second time over what? African yellow uranium cake, aluminum tubes, and fucked up intelligence?
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:42:49 AM EDT
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Is this the second one they claim to have shot down? i seem to remember late last week they made the same claim. Either way, it's definitely heating up over there. And like most here, I'm not a fan of another ME war but in the case of Iran it's almost 40 years in the making. We need to just get it over with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pics or it didn't happen? i seem to remember late last week they made the same claim. Either way, it's definitely heating up over there. And like most here, I'm not a fan of another ME war but in the case of Iran it's almost 40 years in the making. We need to just get it over with. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:48:03 AM EDT
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I don't. I seem to recall a few years back when they somehow took control of one of our spy drones, in flight, and landed the damn thing at on of their strips. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I call bullshit Let them bring it into their hanger and then KABOOM. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:50:47 AM EDT
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I was about to get excited, but then I remembered that they already took one of our drones before and nothing came of it.  |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:51:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least this thing didn't have anyone onboard. Unlike Iran Air 655 |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:53:44 AM EDT
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Why risk pilots when we can probably launch multitudes of long range cruise missiles to accomplish objectives? |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:57:16 AM EDT
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Does the drone pilot get a purple heart? |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:57:54 AM EDT
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If that's the case and it's confirmed, I don't see how those involved would avoid treason charges. You may may be on to something. Obama was more loyal to Iran then to the US, Jerrit is an Iranian by birth. On a related note, I do believe the Democrats Have sold us out to hostile countries for a profit. They get the money now, they've agreed to be puppets for whoever our real rulers will be and best of all, their lifestyles don't change. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Something seems off with this whole situation with Iran. Maybe it was Kerry going over there and acting like he was still the secretary of state even after Trump took office. Maybe it was fineswine getting caught in public calling an Iranian leader but something seems to be up between the democrats and Iran. The democrats so openly working with Iran makes me think they are trying to provoke Trump into doing something. There is really no reason for the democrats to be so openly close with Iran. They could do whatever they want without making such a show. I personally think the democrats and Iran are working together and working on trying to win the democrats the 2020 election. How exactly I'm not sure but they are certainly up to something shady. Maybe they are trying to provoke Trump into taking military action and then making sure it goes bad. You may may be on to something. Obama was more loyal to Iran then to the US, Jerrit is an Iranian by birth. On a related note, I do believe the Democrats Have sold us out to hostile countries for a profit. They get the money now, they've agreed to be puppets for whoever our real rulers will be and best of all, their lifestyles don't change. I know we’re above it, but they pulled the whole Russian probe on us, so there should be an Iranian probe directed at them. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 7:58:22 AM EDT
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Let's see if Trump retaliates. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:12:07 AM EDT
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i am curious as well. will he bitch up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's see if Trump retaliates. If we retaliate, all we really have tit for tat is unmanned Iranian assets in international waters...there isn’t any that I know of. You hit a manned vessel, and it’s game on and we’re looked at as the initiators of a hot war. Same for an unmanned SAM site in country, we’re stepping up the situation again. At this point it’s hard to call this anything but lose/lose for the USA. On top of that, the whole war monger issue the dems want to push on the current administration in order to build a bigger foundation for 2020 makes it worse. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:14:15 AM EDT
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I was about to get excited, but then I remembered that they already took one of our drones before and nothing came of it. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:15:18 AM EDT
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Prediction - IF we have an armed conflict with Iran you will see the Left protest and waving the Iranian flag.
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:15:56 AM EDT
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i am curious as well. will he bitch up? |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:20:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:21:36 AM EDT
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If we get in a tangle with them I hope it's long distance delivery. Trump is probably reviewing targets at this time. They clearly want to drag us in.
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:23:26 AM EDT
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Prediction - IF we have an armed conflict with Iran you will see the Left protest and waving the Iranian flag. 
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:24:52 AM EDT
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I didn’t know these drones were so damn big....I thought about 1/2 that size. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/SIuiZiXts-_pjDMZZV9dYWucblY=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/MMJEMQ3YLRC27EKITAFCM22B6Q.jpg |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:25:50 AM EDT
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 Also shows additional photos of Iranian speedboats  AA gun I'm guessin Bofors or clone? 
Lat/Long of impact position should resolve the question of where it was shot down. I'd hope we have some sort of "electronic fence" warning to let pilots/drone operators know when they are straying into enemy airspace. Expensive asset to lose. Big too (131' wingspan - Diego Garcia or a UAE airstrip?) May want to add flares, chaff, countermeasures or something to them. Maybe we do but don't want to tip our hand. If shootdown is GPS verified over international waters, we now have full justification for payback. Next new moon July 2nd. Time to get some resources in place for one wild night. Take out all their ships & subs. All missile launchers, factories. Bomb (limpet mines) factories, Shore Antiship batteries (Sunburns, etc). Let the Izzies hit the nuke plants while we keep em busy elsewhere. If Khamenei happens to be visiting a plant, oh well... Any .mil experts please chime in on what you'd go for. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:25:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shouldn't laugh, but the image of a guy falling out of his chair at the console, running out of the room, smoke trailing, yelling, "Medic!" did briefly cross my mind. 
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:27:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were given the RQ-170 |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:28:53 AM EDT
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Shouldn't laugh, but the image of a guy falling out of his chair at the console, running out of the room, smoke trailing, yelling, "Medic!" did briefly cross my mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does the drone pilot get a purple heart? 
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:31:22 AM EDT
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Right now, a Trump re-election is top priority.
If Iran does this shit in his 2nd term, they will get there shit pushed in hard. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:38:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:   U-2 Spy Plane Takeoffs & Landings With Chase Car Views |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:40:55 AM EDT
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I call bullshit |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:41:30 AM EDT
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These are meant to be used in permissive environment. Once shit starts flying, their life expectancy is pretty low. They are 100% defenseless, and shooting one down is as easy as hitting candy out of a baby's hand with a baseball bat. Not that I'm recommending hitting candy out of a baby's hand with a baseball bat though. Because I'm not. Now I forgot how I got here. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:47:12 AM EDT
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??? ?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: At least this thing didn't have anyone onboard. Unlike Iran Air 655 
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:47:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ??? ?? |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:49:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course you would. It's what anti-reality Iranian Enablers do. Six tankers attacked, one crew still being held captive, one tanker seized from international waters, 2 out of 4 drones attacked with 2 shot down, a base with US troops in Iraq attacked, attacked a pipeline, supplied ballistic missiles to terrorist groups to act as proxies in a war against our allies, they have stepped up production of nuclear material on bases that aren't supposed to exist, all the while demanding we let them develop nuclear weapons the they never stopped developing in the first place, and still we have done nothing. For all of these acts of war crimes, piracy, and terrorism and many more, nothing is done. We have listen to a bunch of fearful nannies load up their diapers with a bunch of BS about how it's all our fault and the military/industrial complex drivel is trying to start a war. How unintelligent can people get and still suck air? So far the strategy of doing nothing has been followed to the jot and tittle and all it has accomplished is some B&W video of an already ongoing war. While Iran is escalating their war, you pretend to see nothing. Neville Chamberlain would be so proud he's not the only sucker in the world. But hey, it's all like... totally a false flag, man! It's da jooz! Or something... 
It's pretty staggering to the rational mind that people are still yelling false flag, Trump's fault, blah blah. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:52:34 AM EDT
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Does the drone pilot get a purple heart? What happened was an enlisted guy was controlling it at the time of shootdown,he yelled "I'm hit!" and went spinning across the room in his office chair. The officer he accidentally kicked in the shin gets a purple heart for his bruise. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:52:37 AM EDT
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Of course you would. It's what anti-reality Iranian Enablers do. Six tankers attacked, one crew still being held captive, one tanker seized from international waters, 2 out of 4 drones attacked with 2 shot down, a base with US troops in Iraq attacked, attacked a pipeline, supplied ballistic missiles to terrorist groups to act as proxies in a war against our allies, they have stepped up production of nuclear material on bases that aren't supposed to exist, all the while demanding we let them develop nuclear weapons the they never stopped developing in the first place, and still we have done nothing. For all of these acts of war crimes, piracy, and terrorism and many more, nothing is done. We have listen to a bunch of fearful nannies load up their diapers with a bunch of BS about how it's all our fault and the military/industrial complex drivel is trying to start a war. How unintelligent can people get and still suck air? So far the strategy of doing nothing has been followed to the jot and tittle and all it has accomplished is some B&W video of an already ongoing war. While Iran is escalating their war, you pretend to see nothing. Neville Chamberlain would be so proud he's not the only sucker in the world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I call bullshit |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:53:56 AM EDT
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No all out war needed.
Shut down the Strait to Iranian exports, make it a no go zone. they need it more than we do. Other countries who need it, help them reroute using pipelines and ports away from it. Leverage countries around them to heavily tax Iran oil coming out, and export our oil out to the countries using Iranian oil at a higher amount. Let's take a page out of OPEC book and use oil as a weapon. Hit their main source of revenue hard and watch the population start to turn on their government again as they grow desperate. Mysteriously weapons start matriculating across Iraq and Pakistan borders to give to the remnants of the Green Revolution. If it turns into full out revolution, then assist using surgical strikes like in Syria. They want to take out a $180 million drone? Then we are going to cause you $180 billion in lost oil revenue and use your own population against you. Why should the USA use this course of action? Full scale war would give Democrats something to run on and Iran knows this. Avoid all out war, contain them using weapons if needed, starve them out, make them suffer. They can try to escalate, it would result in just their forces being dominated, but we won't invade. More and more attempts to hit our forces? Then it builds a case for more and more larger warranted action. Builds Trump as being level headed, baits Democrats to be the war mongers as they always take the opposite side. Finally after 2020 is Trump secured, then bring on the shock and awe the hell out of their military assets, then most importantly, leave if the Green Revolution 2.0 doesn't emerge. Signal the larger hyenas of neighboring countries(Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) to divide up the country on it's edges, we don't care. If the Iranian people can hold their own, then more power to them. If they can't, they will be torn apart by sectarian Muslim savagery. No more Iran. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:56:11 AM EDT
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You forgot to include Iran announcing they were going to disrupt shipping, two weeks before they did it. Otherwise, excellent summary. But hey, it's all like... totally a false flag, man! It's da jooz! Or something...
It's pretty staggering to the rational mind that people are still yelling false flag, Trump's fault, blah blah. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Of course you would. It's what anti-reality Iranian Enablers do. Six tankers attacked, one crew still being held captive, one tanker seized from international waters, 2 out of 4 drones attacked with 2 shot down, a base with US troops in Iraq attacked, attacked a pipeline, supplied ballistic missiles to terrorist groups to act as proxies in a war against our allies, they have stepped up production of nuclear material on bases that aren't supposed to exist, all the while demanding we let them develop nuclear weapons the they never stopped developing in the first place, and still we have done nothing. For all of these acts of war crimes, piracy, and terrorism and many more, nothing is done. We have listen to a bunch of fearful nannies load up their diapers with a bunch of BS about how it's all our fault and the military/industrial complex drivel is trying to start a war. How unintelligent can people get and still suck air? So far the strategy of doing nothing has been followed to the jot and tittle and all it has accomplished is some B&W video of an already ongoing war. While Iran is escalating their war, you pretend to see nothing. Neville Chamberlain would be so proud he's not the only sucker in the world. But hey, it's all like... totally a false flag, man! It's da jooz! Or something...
It's pretty staggering to the rational mind that people are still yelling false flag, Trump's fault, blah blah. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:58:55 AM EDT
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+1, can't be said any better. Americans (especially those on the left) conveniently keep forgetting that the Iranian government was founded by the taking of American embassy hostages. It's likely to boil over at some point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I call bullshit |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 8:59:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Iranians have two of the five security council on their side, and so far the UK and France apparently don’t want to do shit, so who knows. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:00:09 AM EDT
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So, the Iranians are 1 hit out of 3 tries. If this drone was shot down in international airspace, we should be shooting down or sinking something of theirs outside their territory. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:01:26 AM EDT
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Where do they park their crappy little speedboats?
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:01:44 AM EDT
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First time this shit happened with tanker attacks and skirmishes, we splashed down one of their commercial airliners.
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:02:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least this thing didn't have anyone onboard. Unlike Iran Air 655 |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:03:54 AM EDT
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Time for a disproportional stand off response.
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:06:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if this shit would be happening if we and the British had just minded our own damn business back in August of 1953. As much as it is a sticking point for the ROP, all of our business interests in the region are the drivers for our involvement far more than anything else. We didn’t install or prop up regimes because of Israel. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:06:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's what happens when Iran flies a airliner over active combat airspace. It was what they were hoping we'd do and the resulting propaganda was worth it to them. IIRC there was an aircraft transponder anomaly as well. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:08:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a deeper decision than a lot of people realize. As said on page 2, we’re dealing with an unmanned asset, regardless of cost, in international waters. If we retaliate, all we really have tit for tat is unmanned Iranian assets in international waters...there isn’t any that I know of. You hit a manned vessel, and it’s game on and we’re looked at as the initiators of a hot war. Same for an unmanned SAM site in country, we’re stepping up the situation again. At this point it’s hard to call this anything but lose/lose for the USA. On top of that, the whole war monger issue the dems want to push on the current administration in order to build a bigger foundation for 2020 makes it worse. |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:10:45 AM EDT
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Meh, that's why we have drones to save lives. Expensive but the price you pay. If it was shot down over water vs. on land it should be pretty easy to prove, right? Pics anyone....
Over water, push their shit in... |
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Posted: 6/20/2019 9:10:48 AM EDT
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Those wings have got to be composite. Anything metal would sag and need U2 style training wheels.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVoVeoDFnoQuote HistoryQuoted:
Those wings have got to be composite. Anything metal would sag and need U2 style training wheels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVoVeoDFno |
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