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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:37:28 PM EST
[#1]
In for butthurt.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:38:29 PM EST
[#2]
Piston sucks.
DI Rules. 
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:42:15 PM EST
[#3]
Some general must have loved his tour in Germany and wants to live like a king when he retires there.
Kharn |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:43:49 PM EST
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:45:29 PM EST
[#5]
About time they they announced the decision. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:46:05 PM EST
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While the RFI describes the M27’s salient characteristics to a “T”, what may throw a monkey wrench in this plan is if another manufacturer or two claim they can build the weapons as well with a model based on a 416 clone. I wonder if LWRC is licking its chops. They've got lots of experience with piston ARs. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:46:21 PM EST
[#7]
It's a good system, even if it's overpriced.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:53:09 PM EST
[#8]
I will allow it since they apparently can't keep their aircraft flyable.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:54:07 PM EST
[#9]
Is LSAT supposed to be ready for prime time soon enough to make this buy a waste of money?
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:55:27 PM EST
[#10]
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I wonder if LWRC is licking its chops. They've got lots of experience with piston ARs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
While the RFI describes the M27’s salient characteristics to a “T”, what may throw a monkey wrench in this plan is if another manufacturer or two claim they can build the weapons as well with a model based on a 416 clone. I wonder if LWRC is licking its chops. They've got lots of experience with piston ARs. And are inevitably courting a lawsuit by HK. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:59:08 PM EST
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I wish someone would explain to me how the M27 IAR offers increased firepower over the M4. The only difference I see is the M27 IAR utilizes a short-stroke gas piston and has a barrel 2" longer than the M4. Maybe the barrel is a full-length HBAR, I don't know. They want to issue 3 per squad? I don't get it. The operator can't very well provider suppressive fire if he's swapping out mags every 5 seconds.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:59:29 PM EST
[#12]
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Is LSAT supposed to be ready for prime time soon enough to make this buy a waste of money? No, but a 30rd automatic rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd light machine gun anyway. Apples to potatoes. The M27 is still a stupid choice anyway. Some general is getting PAID and supplied a line of loose-moraled beer wenches to his office at HK. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:59:36 PM EST
[#13]
We are finally realizing that the full-auto part of the assault rifle concept is kind of useful?
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Posted: 2/10/2017 3:01:55 PM EST
[#14]
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I wish someone would explain to me how the M27 IAR offers increased firepower over the M4. The only difference I see is the M27 IAR utilizes a short-stroke gas piston and has a barrel 2" longer than the M4. Maybe the barrel is a full-length HBAR, I don't know. They want to issue 3 per squad? I don't get it. The operator can't very well provider suppressive fire if he's swapping out mags every 5 seconds. There's a reason they held onto 249s. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 3:03:00 PM EST
[#15]
I've seen this gun before. It's always in the cheap counterstrike knock off games on steam.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 3:04:35 PM EST
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Posted: 2/10/2017 3:05:05 PM EST
[#17]
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I wonder if LWRC is licking its chops. They've got lots of experience with piston ARs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
While the RFI describes the M27’s salient characteristics to a “T”, what may throw a monkey wrench in this plan is if another manufacturer or two claim they can build the weapons as well with a model based on a 416 clone. I wonder if LWRC is licking its chops. They've got lots of experience with piston ARs. And LMT, and Colt. EVERYONE will jump into this fray. However, as M27 is an issued, fielded rifle, it could be much easier to roll that out. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 3:13:42 PM EST
[#18]
I wonder if the Trump administration will weigh in due to Made in Germany?
MAGA
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:06:25 PM EST
[#19]
Not compatible with Pmags, correct? Not that it matters, just remember reading about that at some point.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:08:03 PM EST
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Not compatible with Pmags, correct? Not that it matters, just remember reading about that at some point. Gen3s are compatible |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:11:59 PM EST
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Piston sucks. DI Rules. DI is for poor people. Also, the rifle will be much easier to clean with piston too. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:17:35 PM EST
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DI is for poor people. Also, the rifle will be much easier to clean with piston too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Piston sucks. DI Rules. DI is for poor people. Also, the rifle will be much easier to clean with piston too. Not if they use the setup with a silencer. It's a bitch to clean, regardless, with a can. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:22:38 PM EST
[#23]
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I wonder if LWRC is licking its chops. They've got lots of experience with piston ARs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
While the RFI describes the M27’s salient characteristics to a “T”, what may throw a monkey wrench in this plan is if another manufacturer or two claim they can build the weapons as well with a model based on a 416 clone. I wonder if LWRC is licking its chops. They've got lots of experience with piston ARs. Yeah, just like their IAR submission was such a done deal. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:23:05 PM EST
[#24]
I hope the Marines enjoy the proprietary magazines it uses.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:23:50 PM EST
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DI is for poor people. Also, the rifle will be much easier to clean with piston too. Somebody doesn't know why Stoner developed the AR-18... Hopefully this RFI results in the right "I" being passed up the chain and this idiocy gets nipped in the bud. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:24:13 PM EST
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No, but a 30rd automatic rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd light machine gun anyway. Apples to potatoes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is LSAT supposed to be ready for prime time soon enough to make this buy a waste of money? No, but a 30rd automatic rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd light machine gun anyway. Apples to potatoes. The M27 replaced the M249 in USMC rifle squads. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:26:44 PM EST
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I hope the Marines enjoy the proprietary magazines it uses. It uses standard USGI magazines and gen 3 pmags. Marines will have no issues with magazines. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:29:15 PM EST
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I wonder if the Trump administration will weigh in due to Made in Germany? USMC. Making Germany Great Again. 
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:31:56 PM EST
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How can the USMC afford this? R0N said himself that the USMC's point of view was the M4 offered almost just as many benefits, and at 1/3rd the cost of the IAR. Really fucking dumb, IMO. And I'm not even sure if the article is accurate. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:38:48 PM EST
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The M27 replaced the M249 in USMC rifle squads. Again, a 30rd rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd LMG. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:46:50 PM EST
[#31]
LOL, I remember so many people here saying this would never happen.
I need to go tell my broker to start buying stock in Welch's because of all the sour grapes that are going to be needed. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:47:45 PM EST
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Again, a 30rd rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd LMG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The M27 replaced the M249 in USMC rifle squads. Again, a 30rd rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd LMG. Tell it to the Marines. They did, in fact, replace the 200-rd LMG in USMC rifle squads with a 30-rd rifle. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:48:44 PM EST
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Didnt we just have this thread?
Gunner Wade set things straight |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:49:36 PM EST
[#34]
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Is LSAT supposed to be ready for prime time soon enough to make this buy a waste of money? This plus a million. 
Funny thing is the marines want the Telescoped Caseless Version.
EDIT OH and the Fucking Army wants the 30 cal version instead of the 6.5 version. Fuck the 30 cal Army in their 30 cal asses. Bastards 
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:57:01 PM EST
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This will be my first and last post in this thread before a certain troll comes along and raises my blood pressure.
There are roughly 11,000 SAWs around the Corps. Consider there was a recent accident at 29 Palms related to this. Now consider there are around 24 Infantry BNs... That's a lot more, especially with other communities of interest, than 11,000... Also consider that an RFI alone doesn't mean much more than interest and implied intent - anything further can change that. Do the math. This isn't what the blogosphere thinks it is. ETA - Okay, here is the answer for those who can't figure it out. This is an inquiry for SAW replacement service wide. Not the standard service rifle across the GCE. S/F |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:58:33 PM EST
[#36]
Isn't the M27 about the same size as an M16? Did the marines just troll their own guys into thinking they were getting a handier M4 and then drop the M27 automatic rifle on em?
Don't get me wrong I like the concept of the M27. Could be very useful with the numerous drum magazines on the market now. (Assuming they work). Just not sure it's a every rifleman type weapon. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 4:58:47 PM EST
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Eh we go in circles. We are now back to the BAR. In the next war we'll hurry some new LMG into the pipe.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:00:07 PM EST
[#38]
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I hope the Marines enjoy the proprietary magazines it uses. That issue has been fixed, Gen 3 Pmags work just fine in them. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:01:00 PM EST
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Again, a 30rd rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd LMG. I have that retard on ignore, just ignore him. No one listens to dudes with facts and actual knowledge. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:02:00 PM EST
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Isn't the M27 about the same size as an M16? Did the marines just troll their own guys into thinking they were getting a handier M4 and then drop the M27 automatic rifle on em?
Don't get me wrong I like the concept of the M27. Could be very useful with the numerous drum magazines on the market now. (Assuming they work). Just not sure it's a every rifleman type weapon. The M27 is not meant to replace the saw, it seeks to suppress opponents through a different way. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:03:30 PM EST
[#41]
The USMC says.....Go be poor somewhere else.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:03:30 PM EST
[#42]
Now the expansion of the US HK factory makes more sense.
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:03:38 PM EST
[#43]
The M27 didn't totally replace the M249 in the SAW role. One fire team in each squad retains the M249. I think the fire team with the 249 is used to lay down a base of fire while the other two fire teams (that are armed with the M27) are the maneuver element. At least this is how most Marine Corps rifle squads seem to utilize these weapons.
Also, pretty much everyone knew when the M27 was adopted that the Marine Corps would eventually push to make it the standard issue weapon. I don't have a problem with it if they want to do this. The M27 gives everyone full auto capability while being a very accurate weapon in the semi-auto mode. And despite what some forum members here believe, it likely is a much more reliable weapons system than the standard M4. Personally, I think all the services would be making an upgrade if they switched to an HK416 based weapon as standard issue. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:08:14 PM EST
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No, but a 30rd automatic rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd light machine gun anyway. Apples to potatoes. The M27 is still a stupid choice anyway. Some general is getting PAID and supplied a line of loose-moraled beer wenches to his office at HK. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is LSAT supposed to be ready for prime time soon enough to make this buy a waste of money? No, but a 30rd automatic rifle is not a replacement for a 200rd light machine gun anyway. Apples to potatoes. The M27 is still a stupid choice anyway. Some general is getting PAID and supplied a line of loose-moraled beer wenches to his office at HK. This. $3000 VS $600 per rifle. And the Corps has the smallest budget. And for less than a grand, as an individual, I can upgrade an M4A1 to do the same things the M27 does for a rifleman. FF rail, Geissele trigger, LMT BCG, the works. And it'll still be a quarter pound lighter, and balance better. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:11:53 PM EST
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The M27 is not meant to replace the saw, it seeks to suppress opponents through a different way. I get that. I'm just wondering why the decided to issue it to every rifleman. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:14:26 PM EST
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This. $3000 VS $600 per rifle. And the Corps has the smallest budget. And for less than a grand, as an individual, I can upgrade an M4A1 to do the same things the M27 does for a rifleman. FF rail, Geissele trigger, LMT BCG, the works. And it'll still be a quarter pound lighter, and balance better. Yup. The M4A1 can do those long strings of automatic fire without the gun destroying itself. and add the "Gucci" trigger parts and still come in cheaper. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:14:41 PM EST
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The M27 is not meant to replace the saw... "The M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle was adopted by the Marine Corps in 2011 and replaced the M249 light Machinegun as the 'Squad Automatic Weapon'.” page 90 http://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Portals/207/Docs/TBS/B2E2657%20Squad%20Weapons.pdf?ver=2015-05-26-161447-153 |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:16:17 PM EST
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"The M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle was adopted by the Marine Corps in 2011 and replaced the M249 light Machinegun as the 'Squad Automatic Weapon'.” page 90 http://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Portals/207/Docs/TBS/B2E2657%20Squad%20Weapons.pdf?ver=2015-05-26-161447-153 Well then. 
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:18:55 PM EST
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I will allow it since they apparently can't keep their aircraft flyable. Blue dollars or Green dollars ?
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Posted: 2/10/2017 5:21:00 PM EST
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I'm getting tired of all this IAR business.
They want a quasi-SAW replacement at the fireteam level? Ok, I can buy that. Use it as a work around to get a precision DMR? Fine, do what you need to do. Hand them out to everyone after just switching to the M4? Are you kidding me?!? This is what my tax dollars are being used for? Pick something and stay with it! |
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