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4/17/2018 4:26:30 PM EDT
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Because MA not only ignores the US suprene court, they also ignore their own courts, just like the AG ignores the MA laws and then creates her own law.

The entire state is a corrupt cesspool.
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Sounds exactly like NY and King Cuomo.
4/17/2018 4:41:35 PM EDT
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Why would a stun gun be protected under the 2nd amendment?
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For the same reason AR15s are banned, silly.
4/17/2018 4:43:51 PM EDT
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In before Nolo
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Congratulations Nolo!
4/17/2018 4:48:31 PM EDT
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Stun guns are 2A, because Ben Franklin invented one (except it used a kite.)

Actually, some useless bones will be tossed at the peasants under the guise of "self defense", as long as the devices are essentially harmless to tyrants and their armed agents.
4/17/2018 4:49:35 PM EDT
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It will be interesting to see how they get around Caetano v Mass. USSC was 8-0 that Mass was wrong in their stun gun ban. basically, they said that a stun gun is protected because it's used by the military to control prisoners, making it a weapon useful to the militia. They also ruled technology advancements were covered, no amendment is limited to the technology of the late 1700s. The concurring opinion was written by Alito and is a good read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caetano_v._Massachusetts
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It would seem that if that is the case, it would open the door for the very same argument with all other arms?

I am certain the MA gov have already drafted paperwork for a permit.

You can't even posses OC Spray in MA without a class B Restricted FID (Firearms Indentification) card

More fees and another class of weapons permit.
4/17/2018 4:52:55 PM EDT
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LOL until recently you need the license to carry just to buy and possess pepperspray.

They changed so you no longer need a license to possess but it still is treated like ammunition so it can only be sold at retailers whom have a ammunition selling license.
4/17/2018 4:54:06 PM EDT
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It is a stunning win!!!!
4/17/2018 4:56:54 PM EDT
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LOL until recently you need the license to carry just to buy and possess pepperspray.

They changed so you no longer need a license to possess but it still is treated like ammunition so it can only be sold at retailers whom have a ammunition selling license.
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Sorry to hear Dogecoins, I feel for you. Move if you can!
4/17/2018 5:51:49 PM EDT
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Sure you can. Can someone remind me again when opening day for prostitute season is?
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The way I'm reading this it says the state has more time to write and pass a law to "better" regulate their ownership. So not really a win?  It is one of the commie states so I'm sure they'll come up with something. Nobody needs a stun gun. Nobody can hunt with a stun gun.
Sure you can. Can someone remind me again when opening day for prostitute season is?
4/17/2018 6:11:29 PM EDT
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I assume this is Nolo's case?

He is getting butt fucked hard with his stun gun case here in NY though. They aren't gonna let him win here. No chance in hell.

Good for MA though...even if they are still going to regulate stun guns into a defacto ban status.
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Truth.  New York WILL NEVER go along with a ruling to allow stun guns.  They would keep the ban and spend whatever tax dollars it took to fight case after case after case.  Plenty of people would simply never exercise their rights because it would cost too many $$$$ to fight and still lose.
4/17/2018 7:58:18 PM EDT
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It would seem that if that is the case, it would open the door for the very same argument with all other arms?

I am certain the MA gov have already drafted paperwork for a permit.

You can't even posses OC Spray in MA without a class B Restricted FID (Firearms Indentification) card

More fees and another class of weapons permit.
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The license for pepper spray is gone. We won that a few years ago. Only need to be 18, no license required.
4/17/2018 8:58:02 PM EDT
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I assume this is Nolo's case?

He is getting butt fucked hard with his stun gun case here in NY though. They aren't gonna let him win here. No chance in hell.

Good for MA though...even if they are still going to regulate stun guns into a defacto ban status.
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Not my case. I only have NY and HI active at the moment stun gun wise. And yes I will take NY.
4/17/2018 9:02:13 PM EDT
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The license for pepper spray is gone. We won that a few years ago. Only need to be 18, no license required.
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It would seem that if that is the case, it would open the door for the very same argument with all other arms?

I am certain the MA gov have already drafted paperwork for a permit.

You can't even posses OC Spray in MA without a class B Restricted FID (Firearms Indentification) card

More fees and another class of weapons permit.
The license for pepper spray is gone. We won that a few years ago. Only need to be 18, no license required.
Yet NY still has shitty pepper spray laws..... if only we had the means to fight them on such a stupid law and then make them pay after we win. ...

Oh wait.  We do!

4/17/2018 9:03:39 PM EDT
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Congratulations Nolo!
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Not my case brother.  Only have HI and NY active.  @wolfwood

We are spinning up for a really niiiiiice bumpstock case. And perhaps a lawsuit against the FBI. But forget I said that for now.
4/17/2018 9:03:43 PM EDT
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Why would a stun gun be protected under the 2nd amendment?
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I think the mass case was some woman who was abused by a man

I went after ny ona stun gun case but the local DA dropped it. Just as well no way could I have afforded to take that to the Supreme Court
4/17/2018 9:05:16 PM EDT
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The way I'm reading this it says the state has more time to write and pass a law to "better" regulate their ownership. So not really a win?  It is one of the commie states so I'm sure they'll come up with something. Nobody needs a stun gun. Nobody can hunt with a stun gun.
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Correct.... the State now gets to create a May Issue permit for stun guns and never issue them out except to the elite.
4/17/2018 9:06:31 PM EDT
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Do state supreme court cases establish legal precedent anywhere but that state?
4/17/2018 9:08:35 PM EDT
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Do state supreme court cases establish legal precedent anywhere but that state?
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Not really, but if NJ, MA and CT all went the same way NY would probably give that some weight
4/17/2018 9:17:10 PM EDT
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Not my case brother.  Only have HI and NY active.  @wolfwood

We are spinning up for a really niiiiiice bumpstock case. And perhaps a lawsuit against the FBI. But forget I said that for now.
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4/17/2018 9:23:29 PM EDT
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I think the mass case was some woman who was abused by a man

I went after ny ona stun gun case but the local DA dropped it. Just as well no way could I have afforded to take that to the Supreme Court
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Why would a stun gun be protected under the 2nd amendment?
I think the mass case was some woman who was abused by a man

I went after ny ona stun gun case but the local DA dropped it. Just as well no way could I have afforded to take that to the Supreme Court
Hey, I’ve never met you, and this is crazy, but you’ve got my number, so call me maybe?
4/17/2018 9:24:10 PM EDT
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@wolfwood just filed the MA case in his young v Hawaii case as supplemental authority.
4/17/2018 9:24:44 PM EDT
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Agreed.  Circuit Courts have demonstrated that they are too smart to have to follow SCOTUS rulings they don't like.

Remember, no AWB case has actually been ruled on by SCOTUS, so having this as established caselaw is immensely important for the day that they do...and that day is coming.
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Yet banning most modern semi auto rifles is somehow OK?

How do state AWBs pass muster with Caetano vs. Mass on the books? I have no idea.
Agreed.  Circuit Courts have demonstrated that they are too smart to have to follow SCOTUS rulings they don't like.

Remember, no AWB case has actually been ruled on by SCOTUS, so having this as established caselaw is immensely important for the day that they do...and that day is coming.
Pardon my arrogance, but a SCOTUS ruling on AWB is irrelevant.
4/17/2018 9:26:34 PM EDT
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I repeat...

How do state AWBs pass muster with Caetano vs. Mass on the books? I have no idea.
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