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Posted: 4/1/2017 10:10:15 PM EST

In all area's and I'll lump the two together even tho PDW wasnt a term used yet.

Lethality, ease of use, dependability, accuracy...ect Which would you have wanted to go to war with?

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:15:13 PM EST

[#1]

While ugly, the grease gun is your best bet.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:17:22 PM EST

[#2]

Thompson.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:17:26 PM EST

[#3]

m1 carbine

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:17:38 PM EST

[#4]

Actually, I prefer the Thompson.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:17:42 PM EST

[#5]

Suomi KP/-31.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:18:51 PM EST

[#6]

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:25:13 PM EST

[#7]

Australian Owen or British STEN Mk V.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:25:29 PM EST

[#8]

MP40 would be a nice choice.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:28:08 PM EST

[#9]

Schmeisser MP40 (hot 9mm rounds traveling about 1,300-1,400 fps/550 rpm).

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:28:22 PM EST

[#10]

The Russians made a dependable one didnt they?

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:29:58 PM EST

[#11]

M1 Carbine. By a lot.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:33:11 PM EST

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Correct.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:34:02 PM EST

[#13]

PPSH?

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:42:53 PM EST

[#14]

M1 Carbine, PPSH41, MP40.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:43:27 PM EST

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Yeah, wow a ROF of 1,000 rpm?? Thats insane for a SMG of the era, plus a 71 round drum mag, 1,700 fps and 700 lbs energy out of the tube with a 85 grn pill ???

My first choice was the M1 carbine but maybe not so fast.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:46:59 PM EST

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Posted: 4/1/2017 10:54:19 PM EST

[#17]

Ppsh and it's not even close. Huge capacity, excellent round. 5 million were made and the weapon continued in service for decades after WW2.

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:58:10 PM EST

[#18]

Have you ever shot an mp40?

The rate of fire is slow enough to make it insanely accurate and controllable.

That would be my 1st choice.

2nd, m1 carbine. Light and and handy with good accuracy.

Grease gun third.

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:02:44 PM EST

[#19]

Grease gun and model 55 machine gun were both fun to shoot, with the 55 being REALLY fast compared to the grease gun.

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:04:09 PM EST

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Yeah, wow a ROF of 1,000 rpm?? Thats insane for a SMG of the era, plus a 71 round drum mag, 1,700 fps and 700 lbs energy out of the tube with a 85 grn pill ???

My first choice was the M1 carbine but maybe not so fast.

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PPSH?

Yeah, wow a ROF of 1,000 rpm?? Thats insane for a SMG of the era, plus a 71 round drum mag, 1,700 fps and 700 lbs energy out of the tube with a 85 grn pill ???

My first choice was the M1 carbine but maybe not so fast.

Fire Hedgehog

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:05:42 PM EST

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I've fired a MP40, M3, Thompson (though not a .Mil Config), Sten, and PPSH.

Out of those:

MP40 by a mile for general use. Cyclic Rate is nice and slow, shoots well, feels good and sturdy. Easy to Shoot.

Room Broom? PPSH. Holy Crap. 71 round drum, something like 1000 RPM...

I hated the M3 the worst, followed by the Sten and Thompson.

I was really disappointed in the Thompson (just because of the hollywood hype and aura surrounding it, I had expected it to be a holy grail kinda thing). It was a 1928 model I think, Cutts Compensator and the Wood VFG.

In fact the MP40 is in my top 3 SMGs I've fired... with the MP5 and the Colt SMG (not a fair comparison). If I can ever find a Swedish K it maybe knocked out...

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Speaking of? Swedish K (Carl Gustav M45) WWII SMG or no?

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:07:30 PM EST

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I've fired a MP40, M3, Thompson (though not a .Mil Config), Sten, and PPSH.

Out of those:

MP40 by a mile for general use. Cyclic Rate is nice and slow, shoots well, feels good and sturdy. East to Shoot.

Room Broom? PPSH. Holy Crap. 71 round drum, something like 1000 RPM...

I hated the M3 the worst, followed by the Sten and Thompson.

I was really disappointed in the Thompson (just because of the hollywood hype and aura surrounding it, I had expected it to be a holy grail kinda thing).

In fact the MP40 is in my top 3 SMGs I've fired... with the MP5 and the Colt SMG (not a fair comparison). If I can ever find a Swedish K it maybe knocked out...

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We have a Reising at work. Fun but I also see why Marines threw them in the nearest river.

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:07:38 PM EST

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Posted: 4/1/2017 11:09:57 PM EST

[#24]

PPS-43

extremely light, top folding stock, 35 round stick mags, 1,750 fps

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:15:41 PM EST

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Yeah, wow a ROF of 1,000 rpm?? Thats insane for a SMG of the era, plus a 71 round drum mag, 1,700 fps and 700 lbs energy out of the tube with a 85 grn pill ???

My first choice was the M1 carbine but maybe not so fast.

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PPSH?

Yeah, wow a ROF of 1,000 rpm?? Thats insane for a SMG of the era, plus a 71 round drum mag, 1,700 fps and 700 lbs energy out of the tube with a 85 grn pill ???

My first choice was the M1 carbine but maybe not so fast.

If I recall the drums were not reliable and tended to be loaded to 63 or so rounds. As time went on they were phased out by 35 round stick mags, typically a drum was carried in the weapon with the rest being 35 rounders.

Though an early war example, with the better sights and select fire, would have been an excellent choice. Good penetration and I believe range with the 7.62x25 over the other calibers.

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:15:59 PM EST

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Another one I'd like to shoot, along with the Type 100. I guess a Suomi, though I'd imagine it would be a lot like the PPSH.

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:26:38 PM EST

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Although not widely known, the Italian Fnab 43 would be my choice. Folding stock and mag well for transport. Or an Owen.

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:30:50 PM EST

[#28]

mp40
and thompson

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:35:56 PM EST

[#29]

M2 Carbine.

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:56:57 PM EST

[#30]

Suomi KP/-31

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:15:24 AM EST

[#31]

Do STG44s count?

They never do, in these discussions. Oh well.

For most cases, M2 carbine. It technically made it in by the end of the war, and it's sort of a subgun. Quasi intermediate cartridge and long sight radius gave it range the true sub guns didn't have while still being quick to handle up close. I still think a P90 in .30 carbine would be the tits.

If you were really kicking down doors and sweeping streets, probably a ppsh or one of it's close relatives. When it comes to perforating fascists, use the tired and true.

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:23:27 AM EST

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it was designed to strafe troop columns , all fired at once.

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:34:51 AM EST

[#33]

MP40 or PPSH.

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:37:13 AM EST

[#34]

After shooting many of them, MP-40 by a mile.

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:38:26 AM EST

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it was designed to strafe troop columns , all fired at once.

"Comrade Private Sergei, you have a pallet of Tokarev ammunition and 30 minutes to reload all these drums."

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:40:46 AM EST

[#36]

The Owen

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:41:21 AM EST

[#37]

I do or have owned almost all of those listed. NONE of them are on my list!
What I did carry in combat was a CAR 15 and a Browning Hi-Power. I carried a Swedish K when flying along with the HP.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 12:43:43 AM EST

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Posted: 4/2/2017 12:44:36 AM EST

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I've fired a MP40, M3, Thompson (though not a .Mil Config), Sten, and PPSH.

Out of those:

MP40 by a mile for general use. Cyclic Rate is nice and slow, shoots well, feels good and sturdy. Easy to Shoot.

Room Broom? PPSH. Holy Crap. 71 round drum, something like 1000 RPM...

I hated the M3 the worst, followed by the Sten and Thompson.

I was really disappointed in the Thompson (just because of the hollywood hype and aura surrounding it, I had expected it to be a holy grail kinda thing). It was a 1928 model I think, Cutts Compensator and the Wood VFG.

In fact the MP40 is in my top 3 SMGs I've fired... with the MP5 and the Colt SMG (not a fair comparison). If I can ever find a Swedish K it maybe knocked out...

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Speaking of? Swedish K (Carl Gustav M45) WWII SMG or no?

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The MP40 used the constant recoil principle, which makes it a joy to shoot.

The Thompson was a first generation subgun, and it had a lot of ergonomic flaws (plus it was in .45, which means even more limited range than a normal subgun).
The STEN was cheap and fast to produce, which mattered a lot at the time - and it also had flaws (very lacking in safety). After the war, it was refined into the excellent Sterling SMG.

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:46:33 AM EST

[#40]

mp40.

Posted: 4/2/2017 12:53:58 AM EST

[#41]

It's a SW M76 copy but whatever. The Swedish K or the grease gun.

Posted: 4/2/2017 1:21:39 AM EST

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Ppsh

71 round drum

Excellent penetration.

Reliable

High cyclic rate

Posted: 4/2/2017 1:30:57 AM EST

[#43]

PDW? M1 Carbine
SMG? M3 Submachine gun

Posted: 4/2/2017 1:32:00 AM EST

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Posted: 4/2/2017 1:41:57 AM EST

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PPS-43

extremely light, top folding stock, 35 round stick mags, 1,750 fps

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Agree. When considering cost of production, materials, its ballistics and end user effectiveness it's pretty hard to beat a PPS-43.

The mp40 is a close 2nd, especially considering how early on it was being used.

The thompson did have some pretty nifty features that make it great for its users aside from its weight. Duel feed mags, controls that are ergonomic especially given the time it was designed. Bolt hold open on stick mags. Just slap in a fresh mag and let it rip. On top of being built like a tank. It's cost of manufacturing, weight, really keep the Thompson from being the best though.

Posted: 4/2/2017 1:54:59 AM EST

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PPSH 41. 71rd drum of the flat shooting 7.62x25.

What's telling about this gun is that equipped with modern optics, it would still be fantastic for urban block-to-block, house to house combat.

This example was seized in Syria, being used by IS.

The M2 select fire M1 carbine with 30rd mags would have been my second choice, but this was not introduced until the least days of WW2 and saw limited use.

Posted: 4/2/2017 2:38:46 AM EST

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PPS-43

extremely light, top folding stock, 35 round stick mags, 1,750 fps

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If you want this one in 9mm and with a 71rd drum, it is called the Suomi KP m/44.

6.5lbs, 650rpm cyclic, optional 36rd stick, 50rd coffin, or 71rd drum magazines, and a folding stock with pistol grip. This is my choice.