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Posted: 5/18/2015 11:24:11 AM EDT
What say the hive and why? If you could have only one, which would it be?
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"Best" by what metric?? Most Produced? Easiest to operate? Ease/Cost of production?? For me it would be either the Sterling or the Lanchester
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In order of preference
Thompson MP40 PPsH Suomi Grease gun Sten |
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I would have a Sten.
I would put a fresh coat of paint over the rust blotches every few months or so. Hopefully I could get a tetanus booster first. |
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PPsH - easy to produce (stampings), very reliable, good at squirting bullets.
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U.S. M3 "Grease Gun" View Quote It is a love hate. Some don't like it; but some do. I have an uncle who joined the Marines in WW II who was a Para Marine and fought on Iwo Jima, Chosin Reservoir for Korea, and partied with the NVA for Tet. He served his entire Marine Corps career in a combat assault role. He swears by the M-3. |
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ppsh41 View Quote ETA: I like the PPSH41 the best. Interestingly enough Kalashnikov called the PPS43 the best machine gun of the war (Kalasnikov by Ezell pg. 58). Manufacturing comparisons were pretty telling between the two. PPSH41 vs. PPS43 7.3 hours to produce reduced to 2.7 hours No wood Raw steel needed 13.7 compared to 30.6 pounds which saved 1000 tons of steel each month. Production increased from 135,000 to 350,000 guns per month. The ammo savings alone must of been pretty significant. |
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I voted MP40.
IMHO, it represented the best "balance" between build quality and ease of manufacture. The STEN was a close second though... and had better sights. Thompson: Way too complex and expensive to build, (the Beretta M38 had the same problem) very heavy. M3: Too far on the "cheap and easy" side of the scale... PPSh: ROF too high, lousy controls, also a little "too" cheap/crude |
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You forgot to add PPSh 41 to the list.
The MP-40 is a close 2nd. |
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Quoted: ppsh41 View Quote |
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Overall I feel the MP40 provided the best balance between quality, ease of use, and accuracy.
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Quoted: That's a bad quality in a subgun, not a good one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: incredibly high rate of fire, That's a bad quality in a subgun, not a good one. |
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I'd sooner clear a house with a M1903 to quote cyborg543 I hate grease guns
all those really crude guns like the sten and greasegun look like something that the Chinese red army would give to troops before they marched them into the enemy MGs there's a difference between simple and crude |
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I voted MP40. IMHO, it represented the best "balance" between build quality and ease of manufacture. The STEN was a close second though... and had better sights. Thompson: Way too complex and expensive to build, (the Beretta M38 had the same problem) very heavy. M3: Too far on the "cheap and easy" side of the scale... PPSh: ROF too high, lousy controls, also a little "too" cheap/crude View Quote Same here. And I'm not a big fan of that .30cal Tok/Mauser cartridge, either, although as a bottle neck cartridge, I bet it does feed very reliably. |
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Best sub-machine gun is easily the MP40. The Thompson was heavy, picky, hard to control, and no where as good as the grease gun in my opinion for the American offering.
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What say the hive and why? If you could have only one, which would it be? Poll inbound. View Quote If I could have one, it'd be an M-1928A1 Thompson. They're beautiful, iconic, and fun to shoot. If I had to be issued one to fight in a war, I'd want the MP-40. It's much lighter and handier, and it's reliable and functional. If I had to choose one to issue out to an army in WWII, I'd choose the M-3 Greasegun. It's inexpensive, it's effective, and it doesn't have any major issues with it. Logistics would be much easier. This is a silly poll. |
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Lancaster is a nice one if not too costly to make.
Thompson would be my choice hands down for an SMG during WW2. |
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Same here. And I'm not a big fan of that .30cal Tok/Mauser cartridge, either, although as a bottle neck cartridge, I bet it does feed very reliably. View Quote 7.62x25 appears to be good for SMGs. A drum mag with over 70 rounds that can fire at a rate of 900 rpm makes up for small bullet diameter. The flat trajectory would be an edge at longish SMG engagement ranges. |
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The thing about SMGs is that pistol caliber carbines using simple blowback poperation are easy to do.
There were a nuumber of good ones. |
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