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Posted: 10/13/2010 9:15:57 PM EST
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Bison are great, on 10000+ acres or so. You can herd them wherever THEY want to go. Behind a fence? Not too many maybe. Kinda a cross between a goat and a Rino
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Posted: 10/13/2010 9:19:51 PM EST
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Quoted: Buffalo require almost twice the fencing of regular cattle, and they are notorious for breaking through fence, leaving the owner of said bison with a huge bill for all the beefalo that the cattle rancher doesn't want.Quoted: Who else would like to see free ranging bison? Why do states like Missouri and Tennessee bring back wild bison but keep them behind the fence? They don't tolerate fences. Please keep them free ranging on YOUR property. Along with wolves. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 1:50:07 AM EST
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Ranchers and elk hunters hate them with a passion as they spread a disease that makes them aborts fetus. Brucellosis. 
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Posted: 10/14/2010 2:06:46 AM EST
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Dinosaurs!!!
We need to bring back dinosaurs!! |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 2:14:53 AM EST
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Back in the 70s you could get a free bulllalo if you had a place to raise him.
A lot of hippies tried to get them but didn''t have the required land. You can't raise a bison in a hippie crash pad. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 2:18:50 AM EST
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Back in the 70s you could get a free bulllalo if you had a place to raise him. A lot of hippies tried to get them but didn''t have the required land. You can't raise a bison in a hippie crash pad. Nonsense. 
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Posted: 10/14/2010 2:24:22 AM EST
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A lot of hippies tried to get them but didn''t have the required land. You can't raise a bison in a hippie crash pad. Unless you keep it stoned, man. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 2:25:02 AM EST
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Turn them loose in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park How do you keep them in the park? They would stay there Its all mountains with high elevation meadows No farmlands Better idea, we surround their grazing areas with Bison-hating, intolerant ARFcommers. Fuck yeah. Boys, I think we done smoked out a pinko bison sympathizer. You do know that bison hate America, right? My mother is a bison, you bastard. Was a bison. She was delicious. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 2:34:23 AM EST
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We have a Bison farm just around the corner from my house in Virginia.
Took the kids on a tour a few weeks back when we had farm days open house around town. They do a good amount of sales across the country. Their bison is pretty yummy, but expensive. More than it is worth in my opinion. 
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Posted: 10/14/2010 2:54:44 AM EST
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Group buy on buffalo steaks?
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:07:14 AM EST
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Ranchers and elk hunters hate them with a passion as they spread a disease that makes them aborts fetus. Brucellosis. A disease that they initially contracted from domestic livestock. They are currently testing a vaccine to prevent this disease. The NPS has hired Russians scientists to do this as they originally used brucellosis as part of their biological weapons array. There used to be and eastern wood bison but it was hunted to extinction by Native Americans. It was nowhere hear as plentiful as it's plains cousin. I have read that Buffalo, NY got it's name because they used to gather there to swim the Niagara River during their annual migrations. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:07:26 AM EST
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Ranchers and elk hunters hate them with a passion as they spread a disease that makes them aborts fetus. Brucellosis. +1000 You can keep your free range buffalo. Nothing but problems look at the problems they have in MT with the free range herds they have there. Brucellosis is BAAAAAAD news to anyone raising cattle and there are lots of them. Domesticated buffalo herds go through very strict quarantine and testing procedures to prevent it from spreading. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:21:03 AM EST
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I live near the herd in Tennessee / Kentucky at Land Between the Lakes.
A guy just had to pet the cute buffalo. He jumped two fences. He died. Where would you propose they are kept, if not behind a fence? |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:32:35 AM EST
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If you've ever seen what a deer will do to a car that hits it, that's scary.
Worse for a donkey, a horse, or a free range steer. Worse still for an Elk or God forbid, a moose. And then there's what happens to a car that hits a buffalo. Most of it depends on whether the buff is hurt, killed, or just pissed off. Free range elephants would be nice too. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:35:12 AM EST
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I have a friend that drew the Henry Mountains buffalo tag in Utah, and we hunted there for about a week. The herd there is free ranging and has 400+ head. Their range covers approximately 300,000 acres. The Henrys are one of most isolated places in the lower 48.
Contrary to what most people think, it was not an easy hunt. The buffalo don't just sit there and wait to be slaughtered like in the movies. Are there 300,000 isolated acres in the east where they could put a buffalo herd? There is a proposal to establish a herd on the Great Plains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Commons. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:37:40 AM EST
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GC,
Those buffalo in Tampa area were probably Matt Geiger's (retired basketball player) in the Odessa area. I believe he got rid of them. There were a couple that got out several times and got into Brooker Creek Preserve. Sheriff's office had deputies out there for several days one time and I heard that they sent him a rather large bill. They apparently don't stay fenced in well. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:39:16 AM EST
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We've got them in FL. The FSP service is talking about getting rid of them along with the wild cracker horses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paynes_Prairie |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:40:37 AM EST
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I have a friend that drew the Henry Mountains buffalo tag in Utah, and we hunted there for about a week. The herd there is free ranging and has 400+ head. Their range covers approximately 300,000 acres. The Henrys are one of most isolated places in the lower 48. Contrary to what most people think, it was not an easy hunt. The buffalo don't just sit there and wait to be slaughtered like in the movies. Are there 300,000 isolated acres in the east where they could put a buffalo herd? No. Even the SMNP that the OP suggested is only 180000 acres and it isn't no where as isolated as the Henry Mountains. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 3:47:48 AM EST
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There used to be a bison herd at the Trexler Game Preserve near Allentown, PA. I just looked at their site and it appears that it's no longer a game preserve and the bison and elk are gone.
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Posted: 10/14/2010 4:12:16 AM EST
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Tatonka.
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Posted: 10/14/2010 4:52:05 AM EST
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Same reason I thought "Damn" when my home state of Kentucky re-introduced elk to the state: imagine them colliding with a car. You KNOW it's gonna eventually happen!
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Posted: 10/14/2010 5:11:45 AM EST
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Bison (Buffalo) are now raised in all fifty states.
They are also extremely aggressive when aggitated and adopt a herd mentality, one goes to running and they all follow suit. You don't want 500 angry, frightened, bison running willy nilly down an interstate highway let me assure you. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 5:34:41 AM EST
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Down here there are several ranchers who have a few as a novelty. I have never seen more than 3 in one paddock though. The fences are usually 6'-8' and often cross-fenced (meaning the paddock has a fence, then another fence around the perimeter of the property). There are 2 or 3 bison on some property that borders I-75 going through Ocala. If you are headed North (the only acceptable direction to travel in Florida if you aren't from here) they will be on your right side somewhere near mile 345. They seem really docile to me; it must be a strength in numbers kinda thing. I have never seen any bison moving faster than a reeeeeallly slow walk, and they have their head down all day long eating grass. Obviously though, the tables are turned when you have 100,000acres and 2,000 bison.
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Posted: 10/14/2010 6:11:13 AM EST
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Ideas such as reintroducing a herd of large, destructive, and potentially dangerous animals needs to be evaluated with facts and a complete lack of emotion.
What is there to be gained by the reintroduction of wild buffalo to the east? The ability to drive past them in your minivan and say, "Ooh, look at that majestic animal" is not enough of a validation. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 6:18:42 AM EST
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we have a few herds in my semi-suburban area...can get the meat at local hardware (owned by Bison rancher)....These guys are NOT domestic cows! Special fencing needed to keep them in place...would be a bit risky having them rome the neighborhood...
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Posted: 10/14/2010 6:56:06 AM EST
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I have a friend that drew the Henry Mountains buffalo tag in Utah, and we hunted there for about a week. The herd there is free ranging and has 400+ head. Their range covers approximately 300,000 acres. The Henrys are one of most isolated places in the lower 48. Contrary to what most people think, it was not an easy hunt. The buffalo don't just sit there and wait to be slaughtered like in the movies. Are there 300,000 isolated acres in the east where they could put a buffalo herd? No. Even the SMNP that the OP suggested is only 180000 acres and it isn't no where as isolated as the Henry Mountains. 550,000 acres actually and the bison could be released in the Hazel Creek area. Boat only accessible |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 6:56:36 AM EST
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We've got them in FL. The FSP service is talking about getting rid of them along with the wild cracker horses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paynes_Prairie I did not know bison were native to Florida. Cool |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 6:59:09 AM EST
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Ideas such as reintroducing a herd of large, destructive, and potentially dangerous animals needs to be evaluated with facts and a complete lack of emotion. What is there to be gained by the reintroduction of wild buffalo to the east? The ability to drive past them in your minivan and say, "Ooh, look at that majestic animal" is not enough of a validation. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Restoration of the enviromnent. Same as for introducing destructive elk |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 7:05:23 AM EST
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Ideas such as reintroducing a herd of large, destructive, and potentially dangerous animals needs to be evaluated with facts and a complete lack of emotion. What is there to be gained by the reintroduction of wild buffalo to the east? The ability to drive past them in your minivan and say, "Ooh, look at that majestic animal" is not enough of a validation. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Restoration of the enviromnent. Same as for introducing destructive elk Most of the US is too developed to have room for free roaming bison and the associated predators needed to keep them in check. If you did add bison to the mix, you'd need an apex predator like wolves or indians, and nobody wants either of those running around in the Smoky Mountains. as an alternative, I could come down once in a while and kick some bison ass, but I don't work cheap. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 7:14:53 AM EST
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Fuck those pussy bison. I say extract the DNA from frozen remains of Wolly Mammoths (we may have to go to war with the Russians to close the mammoth gap and take their DNA) and start cloning them. Then they could just "roam free" in giant herds throughout the northern U.S. Maybe we could also clone some Neanderthals to ride them or something.
As long as it's NIMBY, it's totally cool, right?
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Posted: 10/14/2010 7:20:05 AM EST
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Ideas such as reintroducing a herd of large, destructive, and potentially dangerous animals needs to be evaluated with facts and a complete lack of emotion. What is there to be gained by the reintroduction of wild buffalo to the east? The ability to drive past them in your minivan and say, "Ooh, look at that majestic animal" is not enough of a validation. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Restoration of the enviromnent. Same as for introducing destructive elk Is the restoration you seek beneficial for all involved? Is it really beneficial for the bison, or just you? Is it fair to place them out of their environment, in an area that has proven itself to be a less than desireable location for their habitation? If it was so wonderful for them, they'd still be there. There's always a reason for species eradication. Doesn't mean it's one that you or anyone has to agree with, but there is a reason. Perhaps those animals couldn't cohabitate with the human population there. Chances are good that the people still live there. If it's a lack of food and habitat that caused their disappearance, how will you change that? Do you really think an elk is comparable to a bison in terms of potential damage? |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 7:24:18 AM EST
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Fuck those pussy bison. I say extract the DNA from frozen remains of Wolly Mammoths (we may have to go to war with the Russians to close the mammoth gap and take their DNA) and start cloning them. Then they could just "roam free" in giant herds throughout the northern U.S. Maybe we could also clone some Neanderthals to ride them or something. As long as it's NIMBY, it's totally cool, right? Wild animals are never a problem for most people until they start eating their shrubs and flowers and invading their own property. When the problem hits home for them, even on a minor scale, it's amazing how fast attitudes change. Sure, buffalo would be beautiful to see, until you can't let your kids play in your own backyard because the buffalo want to eat your shrubs. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 7:35:45 AM EST
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100s of years ago they had "woods bison" East of the Mississippi
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Posted: 10/14/2010 8:03:15 AM EST
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Fuck those pussy bison. I say extract the DNA from frozen remains of Wolly Mammoths (we may have to go to war with the Russians to close the mammoth gap and take their DNA) and start cloning them. Then they could just "roam free" in giant herds throughout the northern U.S. Maybe we could also clone some Neanderthals to ride them or something. As long as it's NIMBY, it's totally cool, right? Clone Neandertals? Take a closer look at some of the photo threads on Arfcom. They're here now man, they're here! As for mammoths, I believe that they roamed in small family units, earning an honest sub-arctic living, their simple lives controlled by the alpha male. This showed thier support for capitalism, Jeffersonian-libertarian ideals, the free market economy and possibly Protestant Christianity. However, the bison, in thier vast mindless (UAW like)herds, roaming about the as yet unfenced private farms of the midwest (trampling on the property rights of (then unborn) decent Americans), all the while piling off cliffs like mindless Obamanauts, clearly epitomize the Socialist mindset. Bison hate America. Bring on the true-blue all-American mammoth to make America great. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 1:29:53 PM EST
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Quoted: Ideas such as reintroducing a herd of large, destructive, and potentially dangerous animals needs to be evaluated with facts and a complete lack of emotion. What is there to be gained by the reintroduction of wild buffalo to the east? The ability to drive past them in your minivan and say, "Ooh, look at that majestic animal" is not enough of a validation. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Actually, that is exactly how we got the fucking wolf in this state, so the Coast Dwellers can take pictures of them in Yellowstone. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 1:34:37 PM EST
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Ted Turner has a ton of bison on his Game Preserve up in northern Georgia. That crazy SOB.
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Posted: 10/14/2010 4:22:02 PM EST
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Fuck those pussy bison. I say extract the DNA from frozen remains of Wolly Mammoths (we may have to go to war with the Russians to close the mammoth gap and take their DNA) and start cloning them. Then they could just "roam free" in giant herds throughout the northern U.S. Maybe we could also clone some Neanderthals to ride them or something. As long as it's NIMBY, it's totally cool, right? Clone Neandertals? Take a closer look at some of the photo threads on Arfcom. They're here now man, they're here! As for mammoths, I believe that they roamed in small family units, earning an honest sub-arctic living, their simple lives controlled by the alpha male. This showed thier support for capitalism, Jeffersonian-libertarian ideals, the free market economy and possibly Protestant Christianity. However, the bison, in thier vast mindless (UAW like)herds, roaming about the as yet unfenced private farms of the midwest (trampling on the property rights of (then unborn) decent Americans), all the while piling off cliffs like mindless Obamanauts, clearly epitomize the Socialist mindset. Bison hate America. Bring on the true-blue all-American mammoth to make America great. I want to subscribe to your newsletter, and possibly join your fan club. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 4:24:27 PM EST
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Turn them loose in the Great Smoky Mountains National ParkCentral Park Fixed it for ya.
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Posted: 10/14/2010 4:37:56 PM EST
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Mmmm....Bison
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Posted: 10/14/2010 4:42:53 PM EST
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Turn them loose in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park How do you keep them in the park? They would stay there Its all mountains with high elevation meadows No farmlands Better idea, we surround their grazing areas with Bison-hating, intolerant ARFcommers. Fuck yeah. Boys, I think we done smoked out a pinko bison sympathizer. You do know that bison hate America, right? My mother is a bison, you bastard. Eeeeeew! Biscegenation! |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 4:44:28 PM EST
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FYI: Missouri is West of the Mississippi 
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Posted: 10/14/2010 5:17:20 PM EST
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Ideas such as reintroducing a herd of large, destructive, and potentially dangerous animals needs to be evaluated with facts and a complete lack of emotion. What is there to be gained by the reintroduction of wild buffalo to the east? The ability to drive past them in your minivan and say, "Ooh, look at that majestic animal" is not enough of a validation. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Actually, that is exactly how we got the fucking wolf in this state, so the Coast Dwellers can take pictures of them in Yellowstone. As if it wasn't bad enough when they just reintroduced the grey, wolf damn it, I hope those fucking wolves stay in WY. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 5:32:16 PM EST
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Yellowstone 2008. Bison by the thousands.  |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 5:54:09 PM EST
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Turn them loose in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park How do you keep them in the park? They would stay there Its all mountains with high elevation meadows No farmlands Better idea, we surround their grazing areas with Bison-hating, intolerant ARFcommers. Fuck yeah. Boys, I think we done smoked out a pinko bison sympathizer. You do know that bison hate America, right? My mother is a bison, you bastard. Eeeeeew! Biscegenation! You win. Mods can close the thread. |
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