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Posted: 11/24/2015 5:59:42 PM EST
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/jeff-bezoss-blue-origin-reaches-milestone-with-reusable-rocket/
Amazon boss and space pioneer Jeff Bezos scored a historic technical achievement Monday when his secretive Blue Origin space travel company successfully sent a rocket 62 miles up into space and then, in a carefully controlled descent, landed it upright just four and a half feet from the center of its launch pad. "Here in mission control in West Texas, there wasn’t a dry eye in the house,” Bezos said in a media conference call Tuesday. "It was one of the greatest moments of my life.” Blue Origin released the news of its feat, complete with dramatic video of the lift-off and landing at its remote test launch site in Van Horn, Texas, a day after it happened. The New Shepard rocket – named after Alan Shepard, the first American in space – delivered an empty crew capsule into space. The capsule, using parachutes, also landed safely 11 minutes after lift-off. But it was the controlled return of the launch rocket that was a first. Until now, space rockets have been expendable — used once, then allowed to fall into the ocean. "Not any more,” Bezos wrote in a blog post. "Now safely tucked away at our launch site in West Texas is the rarest of beasts, a used rocket.” In the teleconference, Bezos described the ability to land a rocket so it can be used again, thus sharply reducing the enormous cost of putting vehicles into space, as "the Holy Grail of rocketry.”  |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:04:20 PM EST
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He didn't build that. Some one else made that happen.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:07:07 PM EST
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Get back to me when they land a booster after putting their payload in orbit. Space does not mean orbit.
Pretty cool either way, but I see this as a stunt to claim the "first" title. 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:08:41 PM EST
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He didn't build that. Some one else made that happen. Obama? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:09:54 PM EST
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:10:52 PM EST
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Very nice, looks like it comes in pretty fast then really gets a boost at the last second.
too bad they are so secretive. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:15:10 PM EST
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? muslims? why are you worried about that peace loving crowd. it's the BLM crowd that is really going to be offended about this accomplishment. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:16:09 PM EST
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Get back to me when they land a booster after putting their payload in orbit. Space does not mean orbit. Pretty cool either way, but I see this as a stunt to claim the "first" title. Then keep an eye on spaceX. Because their vehicle is exactly designed to deliver actual cargo payloads. http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/24/9793220/blue-origin-vs-spacex-rocket-landing-jeff-bezos-elon-musk |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:17:29 PM EST
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muslims? why are you worried about that peace loving crowd. it's the BLM crowd that is really going to be offended about this accomplishment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? muslims? why are you worried about that peace loving crowd. it's the BLM crowd that is really going to be offended about this accomplishment. I assumed NASA outsourced this to Amazon to improve US/Muslim relations. No? Muslims don't give a flying fuck about rockets unless they can launch them at infidels. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:17:50 PM EST
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? This is capitalism at work. Not some mandated government outreach. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:18:34 PM EST
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This is capitalism at work. Not some mandated government outreach. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? This is capitalism at work. Not some mandated government outreach. Oh well then it should be banned. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:18:44 PM EST
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Welcome to a new age of more cost effective launches!
You can now have 5,000 channels of useless shit for $19 a month! |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:21:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? This. NASA is completely focused on that. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:21:47 PM EST
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So, what's the turn around time to relaunch?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:22:17 PM EST
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Welcome to a new age of more cost effective launches! You can now have 5,000 channels of useless shit for $19 a month! It'll make large scale construction in earth orbit alot cheaper. How much money was spent on the ISS just in launch costs? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:23:16 PM EST
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So, what's the turn around time to relaunch? For the spacex Falcon 9, I think they're shooting for a 24 hour turnaround time. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:27:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the spacex Falcon 9, I think they're shooting for a 24 hour turnaround time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, what's the turn around time to relaunch? For the spacex Falcon 9, I think they're shooting for a 24 hour turnaround time. That would be nice. I remember being a little kid in the mid-70s and they said Space Shuttle flights would be flying as often as commercial airlines. They missed that mark by a liiiiiiiiitle bit. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:28:02 PM EST
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Meh, try it in 6 to 9 foot seas.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:34:27 PM EST
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It'll make large scale construction in earth orbit alot cheaper. How much money was spent on the ISS just in launch costs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Welcome to a new age of more cost effective launches! You can now have 5,000 channels of useless shit for $19 a month! It'll make large scale construction in earth orbit alot cheaper. How much money was spent on the ISS just in launch costs? Many dollars... IIRC we can't even launch big stuff like that anymore until the new heavy launch rocked comes on line. The shuttle, while expensive, was a beast. I wonder how well the first space assembled vehicles will fare? I mean, it's a huge undertaking making sure things are right here on Earth. I just wonder if that level of precision can be achieved in orbit without some kind of "space hangar".... |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:39:21 PM EST
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Many dollars... IIRC we can't even launch big stuff like that anymore until the new heavy launch rocked comes on line. The shuttle, while expensive, was a beast. I wonder how well the first space assembled vehicles will fare? I mean, it's a huge undertaking making sure things are right here on Earth. I just wonder if that level of precision can be achieved in orbit without some kind of "space hangar".... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Welcome to a new age of more cost effective launches! You can now have 5,000 channels of useless shit for $19 a month! It'll make large scale construction in earth orbit alot cheaper. How much money was spent on the ISS just in launch costs? Many dollars... IIRC we can't even launch big stuff like that anymore until the new heavy launch rocked comes on line. The shuttle, while expensive, was a beast. I wonder how well the first space assembled vehicles will fare? I mean, it's a huge undertaking making sure things are right here on Earth. I just wonder if that level of precision can be achieved in orbit without some kind of "space hangar".... Start with things like massive space telescopes. Think James Webb times 10.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:48:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get back to me when they land a booster after putting their payload in orbit. Space does not mean orbit. Pretty cool either way, but I see this as a stunt to claim the "first" title. The orbital stuff can be fairly separate so far. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:49:58 PM EST
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Many dollars... IIRC we can't even launch big stuff like that anymore until the new heavy launch rocked comes on line. The shuttle, while expensive, was a beast. I wonder how well the first space assembled vehicles will fare? I mean, it's a huge undertaking making sure things are right here on Earth. I just wonder if that level of precision can be achieved in orbit without some kind of "space hangar".... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Welcome to a new age of more cost effective launches! You can now have 5,000 channels of useless shit for $19 a month! It'll make large scale construction in earth orbit alot cheaper. How much money was spent on the ISS just in launch costs? Many dollars... IIRC we can't even launch big stuff like that anymore until the new heavy launch rocked comes on line. The shuttle, while expensive, was a beast. I wonder how well the first space assembled vehicles will fare? I mean, it's a huge undertaking making sure things are right here on Earth. I just wonder if that level of precision can be achieved in orbit without some kind of "space hangar".... Actually, the Delta IV Heavy can launch several tons more than the Shuttle could and the Falcon Heavy, launching next year, will more than double it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:50:37 PM EST
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Awesome.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:52:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: muslims? why are you worried about that peace loving crowd. it's the BLM crowd that is really going to be offended about this accomplishment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? muslims? why are you worried about that peace loving crowd. it's the BLM crowd that is really going to be offended about this accomplishment. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:52:16 PM EST
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Actually, the Delta IV Heavy can launch several tons more than the Shuttle could and the Falcon Heavy, launching next year, will more than double it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Welcome to a new age of more cost effective launches! You can now have 5,000 channels of useless shit for $19 a month! It'll make large scale construction in earth orbit alot cheaper. How much money was spent on the ISS just in launch costs? Many dollars... IIRC we can't even launch big stuff like that anymore until the new heavy launch rocked comes on line. The shuttle, while expensive, was a beast. I wonder how well the first space assembled vehicles will fare? I mean, it's a huge undertaking making sure things are right here on Earth. I just wonder if that level of precision can be achieved in orbit without some kind of "space hangar".... Actually, the Delta IV Heavy can launch several tons more than the Shuttle could and the Falcon Heavy, launching next year, will more than double it. Call me when we can lauch a nuclear reactor into space along with one of those fancy unknown science microwave impulse drives. So we can get to Mars and back in like 7 days and our outer solar system in like a month. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:53:38 PM EST
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Get back to me when they land a booster after putting their payload in orbit. Space does not mean orbit. Pretty cool either way, but I see this as a stunt to claim the "first" title. Musk is on ARFCOM? whodathunk! ar-jedi |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:54:12 PM EST
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Is it right that the trade-off in carrying additional fuel and automation for the landing maneuver is offset by returning to the desired location in good condition?
I get that the mass remaining on the way back down is greatly reduced from what there was at launch. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:10:26 PM EST
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that was a mighty fine suicide burn.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:11:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it right that the trade-off in carrying additional fuel and automation for the landing maneuver is offset by returning to the desired location in good condition? I get that the mass remaining on the way back down is greatly reduced from what there was at launch.  |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:13:03 PM EST
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LOL.
Suborbital barnstorming. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:18:00 PM EST
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This is capitalism at work. Not some mandated government outreach. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? This is capitalism at work. Not some mandated government outreach. Actually they have a contract from the government to launch ISS resupply missions. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:26:29 PM EST
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? Well we could use it as a gesture of good will and launch them to Mars to colonize and create a caliphate free from the infidel and the rocket comes back to launch the next batch. Repeat until finished? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:37:42 PM EST
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building the rocket over and over costs a shit ton
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Is it right that the trade-off in carrying additional fuel and automation for the landing maneuver is offset by returning to the desired location in good condition? I get that the mass remaining on the way back down is greatly reduced from what there was at launch.
Exactly the kind of details that I am both ignorant and curious about. So in dollars per pound of payload, this approach is promising in late-2015 where it wouldn't have been in say mid-1970s when the shuttle solid boosters were designed to be mostly reusable. Is that because of the computer "smarts" available, advances in fuel energy density, a limited scope for this project, private vs taxpayer funding, or some combination thereof? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:41:33 PM EST
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You guys are asking the important questions.
1) What kind of shirt was the chief engineer wearing? 2) How many women and minorities were on the design team? These are important questions. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:47:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys are asking the important questions. 1) What kind of shirt was the chief engineer wearing? 2) How many women and minorities were on the design team? These are important questions. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:56:34 PM EST
[#35]
I wonder if they'll name one Andy Griffth or salvage1?
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:08:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:10:55 PM EST
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Exactly the kind of details that I am both ignorant and curious about. So in dollars per pound of payload, this approach is promising in late-2015 where it wouldn't have been in say mid-1970s when the shuttle solid boosters were designed to be mostly reusable. Is that because of the computer "smarts" available, advances in fuel energy density, a limited scope for this project, private vs taxpayer funding, or some combination thereof? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it right that the trade-off in carrying additional fuel and automation for the landing maneuver is offset by returning to the desired location in good condition? I get that the mass remaining on the way back down is greatly reduced from what there was at launch.
Exactly the kind of details that I am both ignorant and curious about. So in dollars per pound of payload, this approach is promising in late-2015 where it wouldn't have been in say mid-1970s when the shuttle solid boosters were designed to be mostly reusable. Is that because of the computer "smarts" available, advances in fuel energy density, a limited scope for this project, private vs taxpayer funding, or some combination thereof? The Shuttle SRB's weren't re-usable so much as reloadable. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:15:20 PM EST
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The vertical landing is cool but nothing in the ball park of what SpaceX is attempting to do.
The real story, most people are missing. That CAPSULE is awesome. Note the windows the size of a door, steering fins for the re-entry control and a controlled landing on dirt not on water. All for paying passengers. It is not an orbital capsule yet but that could be next. I see this launch and return as more intriguing than Virgin Galactic's because it gives the ride as traditional astronaut has experienced instead of just a supper fast plane ride. SpaceX is still my favorite of the private launch companies because Elon Musk is Iron Man and really did design the launchers that go to orbit and are the only cargo return available for the ISS program. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:18:10 PM EST
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Meh, try it in 6 to 9 foot seas. At three times the return speed, 4 times the weight and 9 times the number of motors (only the center is used for return) What SpaceX is doing is at least 1 order of magnitude harder than this landing. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:00:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have either of you considered the impact to gays Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? muslims? why are you worried about that peace loving crowd. it's the BLM crowd that is really going to be offended about this accomplishment.  |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 9:24:47 PM EST
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Except, SpaceX still hasnt landed theirs from space. BO seems to be doing it right. Get to space: check Get back into atmo: check Land rocket: check The orbital stuff can be fairly separate so far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get back to me when they land a booster after putting their payload in orbit. Space does not mean orbit. Pretty cool either way, but I see this as a stunt to claim the "first" title. The orbital stuff can be fairly separate so far. it's not that simple. https://what-if.xkcd.com/58/ ar-jedi |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:38:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Call me when we can lauch a nuclear reactor into space along with one of those fancy unknown science microwave impulse drives. So we can get to Mars and back in like 7 days and our outer solar system in like a month. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Welcome to a new age of more cost effective launches! You can now have 5,000 channels of useless shit for $19 a month! It'll make large scale construction in earth orbit alot cheaper. How much money was spent on the ISS just in launch costs? Many dollars... IIRC we can't even launch big stuff like that anymore until the new heavy launch rocked comes on line. The shuttle, while expensive, was a beast. I wonder how well the first space assembled vehicles will fare? I mean, it's a huge undertaking making sure things are right here on Earth. I just wonder if that level of precision can be achieved in orbit without some kind of "space hangar".... Actually, the Delta IV Heavy can launch several tons more than the Shuttle could and the Falcon Heavy, launching next year, will more than double it. Call me when we can lauch a nuclear reactor into space along with one of those fancy unknown science microwave impulse drives. So we can get to Mars and back in like 7 days and our outer solar system in like a month. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:44:26 PM EST
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? muslims? why are you worried about that peace loving crowd. it's the BLM crowd that is really going to be offended about this accomplishment. Have either of you considered the impact to gays Only a concern if it crashes in San Fransisco. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:34:59 AM EST
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Rocket is designed as ambiguously gay duo as possible. http://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/c7244ad0-ef69-11e4-a0f3-30858221b56a-300x192.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? muslims? why are you worried about that peace loving crowd. it's the BLM crowd that is really going to be offended about this accomplishment. http://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/c7244ad0-ef69-11e4-a0f3-30858221b56a-300x192.jpg Been done before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZYoa_pod0 Fitting, since Bezos is apparently a bit of a dick himself. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:46:38 AM EST
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For the spacex Falcon 9, I think they're shooting for a 24 hour turnaround time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, what's the turn around time to relaunch? For the spacex Falcon 9, I think they're shooting for a 24 hour turnaround time. Unlikely. That sounds like the false shuttle launch rates used by NASA decades ago. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:47:57 AM EST
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Except, SpaceX still hasnt landed theirs from space. BO seems to be doing it right. Get to space: check Get back into atmo: check Land rocket: check The orbital stuff can be fairly separate so far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get back to me when they land a booster after putting their payload in orbit. Space does not mean orbit. Pretty cool either way, but I see this as a stunt to claim the "first" title. The orbital stuff can be fairly separate so far. Has Blue Origin placed anything into orbit like SpaceX has? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:49:09 AM EST
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Actually they have a contract from the government to launch ISS resupply missions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry but how does this improve our relations with Muslims? This is capitalism at work. Not some mandated government outreach. Actually they have a contract from the government to launch ISS resupply missions. SpaceX does as does another company but I have not heard that Blue Origin has such a contract. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:22:30 AM EST
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Suborbital flight above the effective atmosphere and the booster recovered intact, all good.
About 250 miles lower and 15000 mph slower than SpaceX Dragon. Is there a market for very high speed travel from perhaps NY/Tokyo or Beijing/London? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:39:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get back to me when they land a booster after putting their payload in orbit. Space does not mean orbit. Pretty cool either way, but I see this as a stunt to claim the "first" title. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 4:08:10 AM EST
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Waste of fuel?
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