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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:55:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it's just an F15 with a 30rd magazine? Wizard Eyes like a fly, a big brain so it can follow everything it sees, and lots of tentacles to reach out to give 'em a tickle. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:56:26 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really think that we need a Lot of Cheap Air to Air fighters to defend CONUS rather than a few Expensive Air to Air planes that can't cover a lot of territory.  |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:56:38 AM EDT
[#3]
Ah yes... The F35 Joint Strike Illusion.
According to an F35 test pilot the amount of common components across all three variants is a whopping... 35 percent. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:00:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it has more to do with they can't make the F-35 fast enough to replace the F-15Cs before they fall out of the sky due to age/wear We have already built 535 F-35s. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:03:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposedly there has been thought put into turning the T7A into a lesser cost homeland defense role. Which in the one hand seems ridiculous, on the other why are we burning up F22 airframes to escort a Tu-95 off the coast of Alaska every couple of weeks? Because that was one of the jobs it was designed and built for. I suppose the inevitable result of all this is retirement of the F22 fleet when their airframe hours run out as a result of standard usage. Practically speaking we can't warehouse every single F22 in anticipation of a war with China or Russia that may or may not come and expect to be able to scramble those mothballed planes quickly. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:03:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It kind of looks like a counter to Chinese Might want to take another look at the Chinese air force. Because right now they have dozens of 5th gen fighters as well as plenty of 4.5 gen planes. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:07:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have already built 535 F-35s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think it has more to do with they can't make the F-35 fast enough to replace the F-15Cs before they fall out of the sky due to age/wear We have already built 535 F-35s. F35 is a replacement for various aircraft. But particularly the F16. There have been 4,604 F16s or so built as of June 2018. It's going to be a loooooooooong time until there are enough F35s to replace everything it was intended to replace or even supplement. Even with Japanese and Italian factories cranking these things out. 535 is an impressive production run of stealth jets. But much moar is needed to replace current frontline fighters. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:08:21 PM EDT
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Good, a pacific war needs range and numbers. And there will be almost no cas. Any that is done will be from a ship.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:09:49 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For some reason I see that as F-1 SEX jets  Kinda like the new trucks Ford is selling, the 3150s 
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Might want to take another look at the Chinese air force. Because right now they have dozens of 5th gen fighters as well as plenty of 4.5 gen planes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It kind of looks like a counter to Chinese Might want to take another look at the Chinese air force. Because right now they have dozens of 5th gen fighters as well as plenty of 4.5 gen planes. Ooh I'm fucking petrified. They still can't make mono crystalline turbine blades for their engines. A technology the west mastered in the mid 70s. And the Chinese are still buying current Russian state of the art fighters and engines. Which regardless of anything else is an admission on their part that they can't create a 1-1 copy of old western gear. Let alone current western gear... And improving on said stolen tech? Ha! As far as I'm concerned those prototypes are 5th gen in appearance only. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. If I were a qualified pilot I would fly a current production Eagle against them. An F35 would squash them like a bug. The Chinese do not have the institutional knowledge to compete. They are working on acquiring that knowledge as fast as they can but that takes time. Not just dump trucks full of money. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:11:44 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it has that 747 soon to be and 737 MAX manufacturing plants empty...... No. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, a pacific war needs range and numbers. And there will be almost no cas. Any that is done will be from a ship. There's an old saying with many variants. "The military is always preparing to fight the last war." Apparently we have gotten very good at using multimillion dollar aircraft to drop bombs on Iron Age goat herders. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:19:15 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I friend of mine (former USAF pilot) and I were discussing it this morning. Basically, we're not getting F-35s fast enough to replace airframes going out of service or at limited capacity due to age. https://warontherocks.com/2019/06/f-15ex-the-strategic-blind-spot-in-the-air-forces-fighter-debate/?fbclid=IwAR2anIhkcRppzZY6U6TK05EL4g8MQOeCp_vmzoK_-9Qv4A6EIMjIPooPMhA Mentioned the F-15 "Silent Eagle". Now THAT is an interesting sounding bird. https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/boeing-f15se-silent-eagle/ The SE variant as shown was a nonstarter, partly due to bullshit marketing at the reveal. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:26:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the Cs had structural issues? Not a fault just worn out type issues. Flying the wings off them is a euphemism, is it not the actual wings? I didn't mean high/low as much as I meant 5th gen/4th gen. 4th being the missile trucks with all the hard points and 5th gen with the stealth and sensors/links to coordinate. Do I have all of that wrong? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only similarity is the outward look. The underlying structure looks similar, but the cross section dimensions are different, and some parts are completely changed. None of the equipment is the same. I'm disappointed the stops were not pulled out to exploit the potential. ETA: Wings are not falling off of F-15C's. F-15C's are air superiority airplanes, not the "low" mission. That is the F-16's role. With AESA radar, an F-15C is formidable against a modern threat. I haven't seen a Hi Torque screw on a print in years. The secret to success is 1/4 inch diameter titanium alloy screws so the heads can't be twisted off. PH13-8Mo 3/16th's screws are also stout enough. Triply important on daily access doors. I didn't mean high/low as much as I meant 5th gen/4th gen. 4th being the missile trucks with all the hard points and 5th gen with the stealth and sensors/links to coordinate. Do I have all of that wrong? A couple of airplanes escaped the plant with an issue at the upper longeron in the cockpit. A pilot was killed. The rest were located. Otherwise, they're just plain old, getting worn out, and hitting the fatigue life wall. The EX has big shoes to fill. If it's heavy, that will not be a positive trait. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:27:45 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I for one expect Boeing 2020 to fuck this up and have planes randomly fall out of the air. Bet someone a gold membership. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:29:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The SE variant as shown was a nonstarter, partly due to bullshit marketing at the reveal. Marketing bulls$#t is a core competency of Globo-Boeing. At times they're almost NeoSov bad... |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:30:53 PM EDT
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Are we really supposed to be impressed with this hecking chonker?
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:31:21 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The SE variant as shown was a nonstarter, partly due to bullshit marketing at the reveal. Marketing bulls$#t is a core competency of Globo-Boeing. At times they're almost NeoSov bad... |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:31:38 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The SE variant as shown was a nonstarter, partly due to bullshit marketing at the reveal. Marketing bulls$#t is a core competency of Globo-Boeing. At times they're almost NeoSov bad... |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:33:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boeing is building these. There is a deep and insistent culture of corporate incompetence derived from the Jack Welch "bean counter' way of doing business that is drowning the entire company in a Stygian darkness. If these first two are delivered and AF quality control says. "We aren't accepting these. They are full of construction flaws." Well, that won't be good for anyone but it's not outside the realm of possibility. Theres also the fact that it should be classified as the F model. And the fact that there has been so many generations of improvement and changes in the airframe that Boeing could have reconfigured the internals to create a variant with bigger engines without... too much more effort. A... Super Eagle to go along with the Super Hornet. But a more conservative approach was taken for various reasons. Honestly, a few squadrons of these birds with competent pilots and a full quiver of AMRAAM's and sidewinders will be more than enough to stomp the fuck out of 80% of this planets Air Forces. And yet I have a bad feeling about this project. Like its a signpost pointing to something. But I have no idea what. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 5th gen electrodoodads and tech in a chassis that flys significantly higher/faster/further than our current production stealthy thigamajigs... How is this a bad thing? Boeing is building these. There is a deep and insistent culture of corporate incompetence derived from the Jack Welch "bean counter' way of doing business that is drowning the entire company in a Stygian darkness. If these first two are delivered and AF quality control says. "We aren't accepting these. They are full of construction flaws." Well, that won't be good for anyone but it's not outside the realm of possibility. Theres also the fact that it should be classified as the F model. And the fact that there has been so many generations of improvement and changes in the airframe that Boeing could have reconfigured the internals to create a variant with bigger engines without... too much more effort. A... Super Eagle to go along with the Super Hornet. But a more conservative approach was taken for various reasons. Honestly, a few squadrons of these birds with competent pilots and a full quiver of AMRAAM's and sidewinders will be more than enough to stomp the fuck out of 80% of this planets Air Forces. And yet I have a bad feeling about this project. Like its a signpost pointing to something. But I have no idea what. The squawks go out, before the name goes on. You have no clue about the process. The Air Force doesn't sit on its hands while a capital project is underway hoping it all works out. There is one vendor I'd worry about. Best case is they get fired finally, and the work comes back. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:33:48 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I click a thread from 1980?  Other than floating Boeing's boat, why would anybody pay that kind of money for a fighter developed in the 1970s? Someone please enlighten those not understanding the role. I still love that bird......oh, the F16 too  |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:34:19 PM EDT
[#22]
Excellent!
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:39:10 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ooh I'm fucking petrified. They still can't make mono crystalline turbine blades for their engines. A technology the west mastered in the mid 70s. And the Chinese are still buying current Russian state of the art fighters and engines. Which regardless of anything else is an admission on their part that they can't create a 1-1 copy of old western gear. Let alone current western gear... And improving on said stolen tech? Ha! As far as I'm concerned those prototypes are 5th gen in appearance only. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. If I were a qualified pilot I would fly a current production Eagle against them. An F35 would squash them like a bug. The Chinese do not have the institutional knowledge to compete. They are working on acquiring that knowledge as fast as they can but that takes time. Not just dump trucks full of money. China has been making mono crystalline turbo blades for a couple years now, and all their most recent fighter designs have domestic engines. They also haven't bought Russian planes for front line use since the Su-30MK2 deal back in 2003. Now project that forward to the 2030's and beyond when the F-15EX actually enters service. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:39:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One will carry enough missiles to shoot down the entire air force of most nations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: would a 15EX not thump the Air Forces of the rest of the world? a tried and true plane with upgrades? One will carry enough missiles to shoot down the entire air force of most nations. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:40:13 PM EDT
[#25]
New air frames is a good thing
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:41:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Read the title as F-1 SEX jets.
I guess my mind is on other things right now. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:41:21 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We have already built 535 F-35s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think it has more to do with they can't make the F-35 fast enough to replace the F-15Cs before they fall out of the sky due to age/wear We have already built 535 F-35s. A) How many of them are training birds due to not being able to be combat coded B) How many of those left, have been sent to other countries and not us. So that's what, ~150 or so in combat squadrons in the US? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:41:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it has more to do with they can't make the F-35 fast enough to replace the F-15Cs before they fall out of the sky due to age/wear |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:42:00 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: China has been making mono crystalline turbo blades for a couple years now, and all their most recent fighter designs have domestic engines. They also haven't bought Russian planes for front line use since the Su-30MK2 deal back in 2003. Now project that forward to the 2030's and beyond when the F-15EX actually enters service. For front line use... https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-purchase-russias-su-35-fighter-shows-it-isnt-ready-great-power-status-149476 They are still buying them. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:43:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was a crew Chief on F-15A,B,C,D and the MSIP C and D models. That they are making them again is great news. Now, dump the JFS and put in an APU and a damn battery. And stop with those damn hi-torq screws...just use a #2 Phillip's like normal aircraft! Me too! Best job ever! |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:43:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Marketing bulls$#t is a core competency of Globo-Boeing. At times they're almost NeoSov bad... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The SE variant as shown was a nonstarter, partly due to bullshit marketing at the reveal. Marketing bulls$#t is a core competency of Globo-Boeing. At times they're almost NeoSov bad... That is the product of inbred business schools. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:43:33 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure from what perspective you're getting this, but the situation with the AF's fleet has everything to do with the combination of: - Airframe hours and use due to essentially constant "combat" use since 1991, and - An acquisition system that takes decades too long to develop replacement aircraft, and - A DoD and Congress that don't want to pay for the service to have equipment to execute the mission the National Defense Policy tasks it with. I was both a MX officer and fighter pilot in the AF, as well as doing some staff work associated with the POM, and one thing I can't say I ever saw was "chronically underfunding airframe maintenance." In fact, quite the opposite -- the maintenance enterprise has heroically nursed along aircraft that have been used well past their design airframe life and kept them combat effective while the DoD and up have clowned around and not purchased replacements. At no other time in the history of aviation has a fighting force had to utilize combat aircraft for a duration longer than the USAF has done for the last 20 years without generational fleet replacement. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:45:13 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this F15 have a lot of buyers/potential buyers? I know the 35 is gaining international speed and will probably have orders all over the place to fill where as Boeing might be able to focus more on this aircraft. Also maybe the Turks since they cant have the 35 will get this now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think it has more to do with they can't make the F-35 fast enough to replace the F-15Cs before they fall out of the sky due to age/wear I linked a page with current customers on page 1. https://www.boeing.com/defense/f-15/index.page |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:45:41 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The squawks go out, before the name goes on. You have no clue about the process. The Air Force doesn't sit on its hands while a capital project is underway hoping it all works out. There is one vendor I'd worry about. Best case is they get fired finally, and the work comes back. Well, I imagine it's an involved and complicated process that involves lots of esoteric knowledge that is not shared with civilians for a variety of obvious reasons. But now I'm wondering what happens to this project if Boeing winds up shambling towards Chapter 11 bankruptcy? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:48:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wizard Eyes like a fly, a big brain so it can follow everything it sees, and lots of tentacles to reach out to give 'em a tickle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So it's just an F15 with a 30rd magazine? Wizard Eyes like a fly, a big brain so it can follow everything it sees, and lots of tentacles to reach out to give 'em a tickle. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:49:57 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I imagine it's an involved and complicated process that involves lots of esoteric knowledge that is not shared with civilians for a variety of obvious reasons. But now I'm wondering what happens to this project if Boeing winds up shambling towards Chapter 11 bankruptcy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The squawks go out, before the name goes on. You have no clue about the process. The Air Force doesn't sit on its hands while a capital project is underway hoping it all  works out.There is one vendor I'd worry about. Best case is they get fired finally, and the work comes back. Well, I imagine it's an involved and complicated process that involves lots of esoteric knowledge that is not shared with civilians for a variety of obvious reasons. But now I'm wondering what happens to this project if Boeing winds up shambling towards Chapter 11 bankruptcy? It will continue in some format. If it's my company, I'm going to hire warpusher and make him move back, but he won't get to luxuriate in the Taj offices.  @warpusher |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:51:31 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I linked a page with current customers on page 1. https://www.boeing.com/defense/f-15/index.page |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:53:33 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Arsenal Ship? Restart the 747 production line!  Attached File Attached FileNow with tentacles.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:55:38 PM EDT
[#39]
I know they wanted the B1 to perform the Arsenal concept. 16 Aim120s on an F15 with a 35 as a targeting platform will probably do it just fine. Now the 737 aircraft carrier is where its at!
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:58:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Put Obadiah Stane in charge of Boeing if you want to really get some weapon systems going!
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:59:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I imagine it's an involved and complicated process that involves lots of esoteric knowledge that is not shared with civilians for a variety of obvious reasons. But now I'm wondering what happens to this project if Boeing winds up shambling towards Chapter 11 bankruptcy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The squawks go out, before the name goes on. You have no clue about the process. The Air Force doesn't sit on its hands while a capital project is underway hoping it all works out. There is one vendor I'd worry about. Best case is they get fired finally, and the work comes back. Well, I imagine it's an involved and complicated process that involves lots of esoteric knowledge that is not shared with civilians for a variety of obvious reasons. But now I'm wondering what happens to this project if Boeing winds up shambling towards Chapter 11 bankruptcy? Esoteric? No. It involves a bunch of DOD mechanics and engineers crawling all over the aircraft and the processes that build them, from start to finish. And there is a good bit of “helping the Contractor be as good as they can be”. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:04:55 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put Obadiah Stane in charge of Boeing if you want to really get some weapon systems going! NO! Fucker would just sell F15's to the Iranians to replace their F14s.  Giant make work project. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:23:36 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NO! Fucker would just sell F15's to the Iranians to replace their F14s. Don't stand in the way of capitalism. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 1:58:32 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too! Best job ever! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was a crew Chief on F-15A,B,C,D and the MSIP C and D models. That they are making them again is great news. Now, dump the JFS and put in an APU and a damn battery. And stop with those damn hi-torq screws...just use a #2 Phillip's like normal aircraft! Me too! Best job ever! F15C,D, and E plus F-22s for me. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:01:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For front line use... https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-purchase-russias-su-35-fighter-shows-it-isnt-ready-great-power-status-149476 They are still buying them. Nope. That was a one time deal and they aren't intended for front line service. China only wanted to buy a handful of Su-35's to tear them down and see how they worked but Russia refused to sell unless they bought at least 24 of them (actually, they initially said 48 but China talked them down to 24). |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:02:42 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple of airplanes escaped the plant with an issue at the upper longeron in the cockpit. A pilot was killed. The rest were located. Otherwise, they're just plain old, getting worn out, and hitting the fatigue life wall. The EX has big shoes to fill. If it's heavy, that will not be a positive trait. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only similarity is the outward look. The underlying structure looks similar, but the cross section dimensions are different, and some parts are completely changed. None of the equipment is the same. I'm disappointed the stops were not pulled out to exploit the potential. ETA: Wings are not falling off of F-15C's. F-15C's are air superiority airplanes, not the "low" mission. That is the F-16's role. With AESA radar, an F-15C is formidable against a modern threat. I haven't seen a Hi Torque screw on a print in years. The secret to success is 1/4 inch diameter titanium alloy screws so the heads can't be twisted off. PH13-8Mo 3/16th's screws are also stout enough. Triply important on daily access doors. I didn't mean high/low as much as I meant 5th gen/4th gen. 4th being the missile trucks with all the hard points and 5th gen with the stealth and sensors/links to coordinate. Do I have all of that wrong? A couple of airplanes escaped the plant with an issue at the upper longeron in the cockpit. A pilot was killed. The rest were located. Otherwise, they're just plain old, getting worn out, and hitting the fatigue life wall. The EX has big shoes to fill. If it's heavy, that will not be a positive trait. The pilot of the one that broke apart due to the longeron issue survived. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:05:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It will continue in some format. If it's my company, I'm going to hire warpusher and make him move back, but he won't get to luxuriate in the Taj offices. @warpusher Sounds good! Just let me run the prologue room or give me the funds to reopen all the old MacD line on the Northside |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 2:37:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The pilot of the one that broke apart due to the longeron issue survived. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only similarity is the outward look. The underlying structure looks similar, but the cross section dimensions are different, and some parts are completely changed. None of the equipment is the same. I'm disappointed the stops were not pulled out to exploit the potential. ETA: Wings are not falling off of F-15C's. F-15C's are air superiority airplanes, not the "low" mission. That is the F-16's role. With AESA radar, an F-15C is formidable against a modern threat. I haven't seen a Hi Torque screw on a print in years. The secret to success is 1/4 inch diameter titanium alloy screws so the heads can't be twisted off. PH13-8Mo 3/16th's screws are also stout enough. Triply important on daily access doors. I didn't mean high/low as much as I meant 5th gen/4th gen. 4th being the missile trucks with all the hard points and 5th gen with the stealth and sensors/links to coordinate. Do I have all of that wrong? A couple of airplanes escaped the plant with an issue at the upper longeron in the cockpit. A pilot was killed. The rest were located. Otherwise, they're just plain old, getting worn out, and hitting the fatigue life wall. The EX has big shoes to fill. If it's heavy, that will not be a positive trait. The pilot of the one that broke apart due to the longeron issue survived. My recollection is faulty. At the time I posted a long story about how that detail could have occurred. Speculation based on experience, without first hand information. Quoted: Quoted: It will continue in some format. If it's my company, I'm going to hire warpusher and make him move back, but he won't get to luxuriate in the Taj offices. @warpusher Sounds good! Just let me run the prologue room or give me the funds to reopen all the old MacD line on the Northside The Day of the Great Purge |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:15:44 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  How depressing. I'm going to really miss that shark toothy grin in our airspace when they are gone. This article is dated August 2019. It says they just got done putting new wings on the last 173 Thunderbolt II’s. The article goes on to say that will keep them flying into the 2030’s. So that could be as little as 10 years or as much as 19 years.. But I suspect it will be like the B-52 ... that life expectancy keeps getting pushed back. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/08/13/a-10-re-winging-completed-will-keep-warthog-in-the-air-until-late-2030s/ |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 3:16:49 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My layman's understanding is that "weapon effects" only matter if there's an effective delivery vehicle to get them on target. The weapon doesn't care what vehicle delivers it to the target, so long as it achieves the required impact conditions that lead to the desired weapon effects. In the age of GPS/INS guided weapons, and low collateral damage weapons like GBU-39 and others, the range of delivery vehicles that can get the weapon to the required impact conditions is quite wide. In the past, getting a weapon to the proper 3D point in space (ergo, the target), at the correct angle and impact velocity to create the desired weapon effect was a much more complicated nut to crack. That's certainly not saying that fact is the inclusive beginning-and-end of required CAS weapon effects, but that fact certainly reduces the requirement for some theoretical single-mission-specialized vehicle in order to effectively perform CAS. |
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