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Posted: 8/14/2019 11:39:00 PM EST
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For ARFCOM's mathematicians. How would you calculate likelihood in some of the stuff we see? How many people know someone who has committed suicide? How many people know someone who has die violently? How many people know someone who died at a point in a major criminal investigation? How many people involved in a major criminal or corruption investigation died at a point beneficial to a suspect? How many people know multiple people who committed suicide, died in accidents, or by "crime", while being involved in major criminal investigations at a time that was most opportune to one single person who had been involved in multiple scandals? The odds have to be infinitesimal that Clinton isn't guilty of something provable. None of the deaths were natural. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 11:39:45 PM EST
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https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Autopsy-finds-broken-bones-in-Epstein-s-neck-14305473.php
Key part is the broken bones he has are more common in strangulation cases, not hanging. Not always, but more likely. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 11:47:22 PM EST
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https://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/Autopsy-finds-broken-bones-in-Epstein-s-neck-14305473.php Key part is the broken bones he has are more common in strangulation cases, not hanging. Not always, but more likely. I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm still leaning towards someone else strangled him. 
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:02:59 AM EST
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I wish they showed us a picture of what his cell looked like.
I don't imagine most prison cells would have a place in them where one could tie the end of a sheet to hang yourself. 
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:56:29 AM EST
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This in one of the main accusers. Reading this article, she said this was picture in London when she was 17 and that she had sex with Prince Andrew. Notice the careful wording of the statement at the end: "Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue." The age of consent in England is 16, so technically what they're saying is true. And if something happened on the island, the age of consent in the Virgin Islands was 16 at the time https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/08/1862/1048/Andrew-Accuser.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 https://www.foxnews.com/us/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-new-scrutiny-suicide |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 1:05:27 AM EST
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The last hanging (a drop) that I followed closely did not crush the cartilage in the neck and was later determined to be staged.
This is a great determination, he was killed. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 1:12:05 AM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 3:28:45 AM EST
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The best part about this is the right thinks Hillary killed him, the left thinks trump killed him. It’s a comedy. Who didn’t want this guy dead? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 6:45:16 AM EST
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Edited: Its a part of the desaliniaztion plant. https://americandigitalnews.com/index.php/2017/12/02/jeffery-epstein-little-st-james-island-spotlight/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What in the hell would require this much refrigeration piping into such a small building? A lot of electrical conduit going into to it too. Is this more evidence of underground facilities? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167167/2019-08-13_11_49_35-Epstein_s_Pedophile_Island__Little_St__James_USVI_Drone_July_2019_11__1_2__-_You_png-1052957.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167167/2019-08-13_11_50_34-Google_Earth_Pro_jpg-1052958.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167167/2019-08-13_11_49_50-Epstein_s_Pedophile_Island__Little_St__James_USVI_Drone_July_2019_11__1_2__-_You_jpg-1052959.JPG Looks like a big PVC water line. Lots of filters and would require significant power. Could be a small desalinization facility to supply potable water to the island. Its a part of the desaliniaztion plant. https://americandigitalnews.com/index.php/2017/12/02/jeffery-epstein-little-st-james-island-spotlight/ That's not a tank nearby either. That's some weird compass / monument thing. I really don't think that's the desalination plant. It's probably in one of the maintenance buildings northeast of it, where the power plant is. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 7:06:08 AM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 7:06:52 AM EST
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This might even deserve its own thread:
An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein sustained multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death.
Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:11:14 AM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:30:05 AM EST
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The last hanging (a drop) that I followed closely did not crush the cartilage in the neck and was later determined to be staged. This is a great determination, he was killed. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:33:04 AM EST
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My understanding is that you need a good bit of drop to break the neck. Back when we did hangings, that's why the gallows were so tall. If they fucked up, they strangled slowly. I don't see how you get enough room or the right angle to "strangle" yourself to the point where a bone breaks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The last hanging (a drop) that I followed closely did not crush the cartilage in the neck and was later determined to be staged. This is a great determination, he was killed. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:49:10 AM EST
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Isn't the red shoe thing something all the guys in that pedo ring do? I swore there was a thread that showed all the satanic shit they (celebs, Clintons, Epstein, Podesta, etc..) and the guys were all wearing red shoes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Isn't the red shoe thing something all the guys in that pedo ring do? I swore there was a thread that showed all the satanic shit they (celebs, Clintons, Epstein, Podesta, etc..) and the guys were all wearing red shoes. 
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:58:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but playing devils advocate here....if it takes a 6 foot drop to snap a neck, could a neck be broken by someone's hands? I presume that they didn't build gallows in there. Very common. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:04:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am shocked by the unfortunate death in a plane crash, after he shot himself twice, of Epstein's pilot, next week. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:05:44 AM EST
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It was a charity event. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't the red shoe thing something all the guys in that pedo ring do? I swore there was a thread that showed all the satanic shit they (celebs, Clintons, Epstein, Podesta, etc..) and the guys were all wearing red shoes. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:08:50 AM EST
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What event was that? And what is the significance of the red shoes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't the red shoe thing something all the guys in that pedo ring do? I swore there was a thread that showed all the satanic shit they (celebs, Clintons, Epstein, Podesta, etc..) and the guys were all wearing red shoes. It's in there. Not in a position to go dig it up at the moment. ETA: May have been a party of some sort. Either way, the red shoe thing was by request of the organizer, not knowing wink/nod thing. ETA 2: Get both. Two minutes of Google shows it was Tony Podesta's Birthday where he requested guests wear red shoes and donate to the charitable organization Soles4Souls. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:23:48 AM EST
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2048525_MOVED-Saudi-Arabian-Purge-Happening-Justice-Knows-Every-Man-s-Number-Edition-.html It's in there. Not in a position to go dig it up at the moment. ETA: May have been a party of some sort. Either way, the red shoe thing was by request of the organizer, not knowing wink/nod thing. ETA 2: Get both. Two minutes of Google shows it was Tony Podesta's Birthday where he requested guests wear red shoes and donate to the charitable organization Soles4Souls. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't the red shoe thing something all the guys in that pedo ring do? I swore there was a thread that showed all the satanic shit they (celebs, Clintons, Epstein, Podesta, etc..) and the guys were all wearing red shoes. It's in there. Not in a position to go dig it up at the moment. ETA: May have been a party of some sort. Either way, the red shoe thing was by request of the organizer, not knowing wink/nod thing. ETA 2: Get both. Two minutes of Google shows it was Tony Podesta's Birthday where he requested guests wear red shoes and donate to the charitable organization Soles4Souls. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:29:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was that the event with Lady Gaga that had the people laying in troths full of fake blood? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:30:08 AM EST
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Could the hyoid have been broken in the earlier incident? I would think yes but have no idea how that might appear at a later autopsy.
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:35:46 AM EST
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Could the hyoid have been broken in the earlier incident? I would think yes but have no idea how that might appear at a later autopsy. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:43:38 AM EST
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Link to SCOTUS cases around date in flight log. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_term_opinions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States Flight is recorded as being Feb 10, 2011 (not 2010). The log can be a little misleading as it says "2010" at the top of the date column. Edit: Here are the wikis for 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_term_opinions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States ...and for 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_term_opinions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:44:09 AM EST
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Hyoid bones are often broken in strangulation homicides. Very common. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yeah but playing devils advocate here....if it takes a 6 foot drop to snap a neck, could a neck be broken by someone's hands? I presume that they didn't build gallows in there. Very common. I'm a pretty big guy and I don't know I could break someone's neck without a baseball bat or similar tool. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:07:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @MeInMediocrity Flight is recorded as being Feb 10, 2011 (not 2010). The log can be a little misleading as it says "2010" at the top of the date column. Edit: Here are the wikis for 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_term_opinions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States ...and for 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_term_opinions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States Quote HistoryQuoted: @MeInMediocrity Flight is recorded as being Feb 10, 2011 (not 2010). The log can be a little misleading as it says "2010" at the top of the date column. Edit: Here are the wikis for 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_term_opinions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States ...and for 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_term_opinions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States (Outlined in orange)  Attached FileThe second event (June 28, 2012) is the one most will be interested in: National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. 519 (2012), was a landmark[2][3][4] United States Supreme Court decision in which the Court upheld Congress' power to enact most provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly called Obamacare,[5][6] and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act (HCERA), including a requirement for most Americans to have health insurance by 2014.[7]  The Acts represented a major set of changes to the American health care system that had been the subject of highly contentious debate, largely divided on political party lines.
The Supreme Court, in an opinion written by Chief Justice John Roberts, upheld by a vote of 5 to 4 the individual mandate to buy health insurance as a constitutional exercise of Congress's taxing power. A majority of the justices, including Chief Justice Roberts, agreed that the individual mandate was not a proper use of Congress's Commerce Clause or Necessary and Proper Clause powers, though they did not join in a single opinion. A majority of the justices also agreed that another challenged provision of the Act, a significant expansion of Medicaid, was not a valid exercise of Congress's spending power as it would coerce states to either accept the expansion or risk losing existing Medicaid funding. (more at link...) Re: John Roberts possibly being the "other John Roberts" who is a Fox news reporter:
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:39:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but playing devils advocate here....if it takes a 6 foot drop to snap a neck, could a neck be broken by someone's hands? I presume that they didn't build gallows in there. What we have heard is that there are hyoid bone fractures. IIRC there are 3 hyoid bones. Fractures of those bones are very common in strangulation homicides. Haven't seen any report that his neck was "snapped" or that there was a dislocation/fracture of the spine. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 1:26:00 PM EST
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 Recordings Give Rare Glimpse Of Jeffrey Epstein In His Own Words | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 1:44:32 PM EST
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Isn't the red shoe thing something all the guys in that pedo ring do? I swore there was a thread that showed all the satanic shit they (celebs, Clintons, Epstein, Podesta, etc..) and the guys were all wearing red shoes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Isn't the red shoe thing something all the guys in that pedo ring do? I swore there was a thread that showed all the satanic shit they (celebs, Clintons, Epstein, Podesta, etc..) and the guys were all wearing red shoes. That would be the Saudi Arabian Purge thread that has been nuked 
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Posted: 8/15/2019 1:56:52 PM EST
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yes, but it was the men wearing red shoes at a Rothschild type party That would be the Saudi Arabian Purge thread that has been nuked |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 2:00:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I missed it, and I know it says other fractures, but without knowing which other bones your question is unanswerable at this time. What we have heard is that there are hyoid bone fractures. IIRC there are 3 hyoid bones. Fractures of those bones are very common in strangulation homicides. Haven't seen any report that his neck was "snapped" or that there was a dislocation/fracture of the spine. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 3:31:19 PM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 3:54:27 PM EST
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Ghislaine Maxwell, will we ever see her alive again?
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Posted: 8/15/2019 4:04:19 PM EST
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Ghislaine Maxwell, will we ever see her alive again? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:10:14 PM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:13:33 PM EST
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Where’s the runway for a 727 on that island? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:23:35 PM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:34:14 PM EST
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For Now.....
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:40:44 PM EST
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Proof of Life. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:45:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryMaxwell, 57, alleged madam to the multi-millionaire Epstein, was scarfing down a burger, fries and shake al fresco at an In-N-Out on Monday while reading, “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives.” |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:47:00 PM EST
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I’m curious if the autopsy found any taser burns.
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:52:34 PM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:58:47 PM EST
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Interesting choice of reading material. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Maxwell, 57, alleged madam to the multi-millionaire Epstein, was scarfing down a burger, fries and shake al fresco at an In-N-Out on Monday while reading, “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives.” |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 7:25:50 PM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 7:34:50 PM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 8:10:31 PM EST
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Posted: 8/15/2019 8:16:30 PM EST
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Last meal? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 8:20:06 PM EST
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Jeffrey Epstein's blood vessels in his eyes popped when his air supply was cut off by the bed sheet that was wrapped around his neck ... this according to law enforcement sources briefed on the case. We're told he suffered petechial hemorrhaging, caused when someone hangs himself or is strangled or smothered, but authorities are confident this was a hanging.
We're told the bed sheets were tied to the top of a bunk bed and Epstein either hurled himself off the top bunk or had his feet to the ground and leaned forward to cut off his air supply. Authorities believe the former is true, because throwing himself off the top bunk and falling violently to the ground could explain why his hyoid bone was fractured. Jeffrey Epstein reportedly had multiple fractures in his neck bones, something that is more common in death by strangulation than by hanging. The breaks include a bone near the Adam's apple, according to the Washington Post. TMZ reported early on Epstein committed suicide by hanging himself ... this according to multiple sources. It appears the fractures are the reason the cause of death has been deferred pending further investigation. https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-hanging-injuries-broken-neck-strangulation/ |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 8:52:29 PM EST
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Jeffrey Epstein's blood vessels in his eyes popped when his air supply was cut off by the bed sheet that was wrapped around his neck ... this according to law enforcement sources briefed on the case. We're told he suffered petechial hemorrhaging, caused when someone hangs himself or is strangled or smothered, but authorities are confident this was a hanging. We're told the bed sheets were tied to the top of a bunk bed and Epstein either hurled himself off the top bunk or had his feet to the ground and leaned forward to cut off his air supply. Authorities believe the former is true, because throwing himself off the top bunk and falling violently to the ground could explain why his hyoid bone was fractured. Jeffrey Epstein reportedly had multiple fractures in his neck bones, something that is more common in death by strangulation than by hanging. The breaks include a bone near the Adam's apple, according to the Washington Post. TMZ reported early on Epstein committed suicide by hanging himself ... this according to multiple sources. It appears the fractures are the reason the cause of death has been deferred pending further investigation. https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-hanging-injuries-broken-neck-strangulation/ |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 8:59:59 PM EST
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Grad student who painted portrait of Bill Clinton wearing a DRESS and heels had no idea it ended up hanging in Jeffrey Epstein's mansion after she sold it at an art show and reveals she also painted President Bush
 The artist behind the bizarre portrait of Bill Clinton in a dress hanging in Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan mansion has revealed she had no idea the artwork had wound up in the pedophile billionaire's home. Artist Petrina Ryan-Kleid exhibited the original painting, which is called 'Parsing Bill', for her degree show when she graduated with an MFA in 2012 from the New York Academy of Art. She told DailyMail.com: 'In 2012, as a grad student at the New York Academy of Art, I painted pictures of Presidents Clinton and Bush as part of my Master's thesis. 'When the school put on a fundraiser at the Tribeca Ball that year, they sold my painting to one of the attendees. 'I had no idea who the buyer was at the time. As with most of my paintings, I had completely lost track of this piece when it was sold seven years ago. 'So it was a complete surprise to me to learn yesterday that it wound up in Epstein's home.' Continued |
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