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Posted: 9/18/2020 10:51:34 AM EDT
[#1]
Y’all do realize this whole thing is set up a legal attack on US social media and their manipulative practices. Tiktok was an easy target. If taking them on works then you have precedent when you go after FB and Twatter.
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Posted: 9/18/2020 10:55:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China virus has killed 66x more Americans than 9/11 but we still gotta stick up for that CCP app that censors vids about Tibet and Tiananmen Square. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Whole lot of Chicom loving in here. Yeah, the usual suspects love them some Chinese spyware and are concerned about Trump and the election. China virus has killed 66x more Americans than 9/11 but we still gotta stick up for that CCP app that censors vids about Tibet and Tiananmen Square. We'll fight it with more censorship then? |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 10:57:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Y'all do realize this whole thing is set up a legal attack on US social media and their manipulative practices. Tiktok was an easy target. If taking them on works then you have precedent when you go after FB and Twatter.  |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:00:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The grudge is one of the reasons though. Just like his grudge against bump stocks. That would have been the NRA good idea fairy whispering in his ear. See my avatar, which still has not changed or been withdrawn by Wayne and the suits. The NRA supports additional restrictions on automatic firearms. Openly. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:02:47 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We'll fight it with more censorship then? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Whole lot of Chicom loving in here. Yeah, the usual suspects love them some Chinese spyware and are concerned about Trump and the election. China virus has killed 66x more Americans than 9/11 but we still gotta stick up for that CCP app that censors vids about Tibet and Tiananmen Square. We'll fight it with more censorship then? Start your own U.S. based Tik Tok. I don't give a fuck about censoring China. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:09:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see this going the way he think it will go. This. He needs as much of the younger vote as he can get, and it raises some questionable 1A issues that will upset the more libertarian minded who were on the fence. I have no issue telling China to go fuck itself, and TikTok is basically a thinly veiled data harvesting tool. But we have reached a concerning point in our constitution when a president can unilaterally ban a speech platform, even if it is one as corrupted as TikTok. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:13:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, really. Even if it isn’t legal precedent it is still a social one that puts SM platforms on notice. The POTUS deals with censorship pretty much everyday on Twitter. If tiktok gets slammed for it then so can Twitter. There has to be a line drawn that determines if SM like Twitter are publishers that have editorial control or if they are a open communication tool. They currently act like publishers. If you write something they don’t like they have editorial control. I want you to think of it this way. You are holding a conversation with a friend over the phone and Verizon doesn’t like what you are saying so they cut off you words or connection. Twitter and FB do this very thing. That makes them publishers and not a communication tool. Yet they tout they are a community. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:13:32 AM EDT
[#8]
It takes 5 seconds to bypass what the government plans on doing.
Biden is hated on tik tok. 70%+ of videos are pro trump and with the way the system works, you can't easily block right wing content. Or content thwt hurts your feels. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:16:13 AM EDT
[#9]
I can't say this is gonna hurt Trump that much. I would venture to guess the majority of folks using Tic Tok don't vote because they're not old enough. If they were going to vote for Trump, but decide not to simply because they can't get onto Tic Tok, we've got way more fucking problems than we could ever hope for.
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:20:27 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't say this is gonna hurt Trump that much. I would venture to guess the majority of folks using Tic Tok don't vote because they're not old enough. If they were going to vote for Trump, but decide not to simply because they can't get onto Tic Tok, we've got way more fucking problems than we could ever hope for. Or maybe someone is on the fence and has been hearing "Trump is a dictator" for 4+ years, and then he bans their favorite social media app which cements in their mind "CNN was right, Trump is a dictator" |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:21:28 AM EDT
[#11]
People on a firearms website (one that is named after an "assault rifle" no less) applauding blanket censorship based on feelings....crazy. Fuck freedom I guess. I hope that everyone is happy when we use emotion and public opinion to ban scary guns. People who talk about spying and censorship while surfing from chrome and using Gmail and facebook. Crazy world.
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:23:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People on a firearms website (one that is named after an "assault rifle" no less) applauding blanket censorship based on feelings....crazy. Fuck freedom I guess. I hope that everyone is happy when we use emotion and public opinion to ban scary guns. People who talk about spying and censorship while surfing from chrome and using Gmail and facebook. Crazy world. I expect this site and most others like it will be gone (banned or completely deplatformed) within the next decade. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:24:54 AM EDT
[#13]
Guys, this is only about the apps. The websites are not affected by this
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:26:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guys, this is only about the apps. The websites are not affected by this Is it that big of a leap from banning download of an app to banning access to a website? |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:35:24 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I expect this site and most others like it will be gone (banned or completely deplatformed) within the next decade. This is just one of the concerning precedents that this action sets. Ya. TikTok sucks and is a thinly veiled collection platform. But picking and choosing which social media platforms get cancelled based of the political winds WILL eventually end just about every gun forum on the open web. I dont want to have to figure out how to us Tor Browser just to visit ARFCOM. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:37:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it that big of a leap from banning download of an app to banning access to a website? Not at all. Its about as simple as moving from banning the app in the app store to banning the hosting addresses from being allowed to transmit through US DNS servers. Im probably simplifying the process some, but its not difficult to turn off access to a website. At least to 95% of that sites user base. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:43:44 AM EDT
[#17]
So 10 year old girls will not be able to film themselves twerking to WAP.
I am ok with this. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:45:30 AM EDT
[#18]
*double tap*
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:47:38 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that the people who's vote hinge on tiktok's status, probably don't have the intelligence to understand important issues right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is going to make a lot of people angry. It will lose votes for him; seems like a really dumb move tbh. Seems pretty dumb for someone to hinge their vote on TikTok. So many other far more important issues. You do realize that the people who's vote hinge on tiktok's status, probably don't have the intelligence to understand important issues right? I think government overreach is a pretty serious issue. Do you not? |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:49:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like the outcome, but... Is this even close to legal? Everything concerning national security is legal. .....right? |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:50:22 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gonna make Oracle mad when their check clears  Microsoft and Walmart are also teaming up to bid against Oracle. It will be interesting to see who wins this one. What would Walmart want with Tic Toc? 
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:50:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I expect this site and most others like it will be gone (banned or completely deplatformed) within the next decade. It's quite possible, and the applause of people here who are just as ill informed as the anti gun crowd will provide similar fanfare. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:51:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Microsoft and Walmart are also teaming up to bid against Oracle. It will be interesting to see who wins this one. What would Walmart want with Tic Toc? Bid was awarded to oracle but the deal hasn't met DOJ requirements. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:52:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's quite possible, and the applause of people here who are just as ill informed as the anti gun crowd will provide similar fanfare. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I expect this site and most others like it will be gone (banned or completely deplatformed) within the next decade. It's quite possible, and the applause of people here who are just as ill informed as the anti gun crowd will provide similar fanfare. Authoritarian overreach is awesome as long as you are on the side of the authority. One of the biggest lessons I’ve learned from GD over the years. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:54:20 AM EDT
[#25]
TikTok may be stupid, but if Trump wants to ban everything that is probably stupid he should start with himself.
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:57:50 AM EDT
[#26]
Fuk Tik Tok
We actually need less social media garbage , I am ok with this. Especially when it happens to ChiCom owned Social Media . |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:58:26 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Microsoft and Walmart are also teaming up to bid against Oracle. It will be interesting to see who wins this one. What would Walmart want with Tic Toc? Walmart is huge in China. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:58:36 AM EDT
[#28]
I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter their personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want.
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:59:36 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter the personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want. but muh ability to post dumb ass videos of muhself.... |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:59:46 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TikTok may be stupid, but if Trump wants to ban everything that is probably stupid he should start with himself. Interesting. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:03:01 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter the personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want. Except they don’t have access to that info “whenever they want.” If you are making a tik tok things like cameras and mics are on (obviously) If you spend more than 3 seconds setting up privacy on your phone tik tok nor any other app should be able to start using location services when it’s not being used. Tiktok doesn’t even use location services when you are actively using it. Unlike things like Facebook. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:03:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am concerned this will upset some younger voters. I am all for banning it, but wait about 50 days. lol they don't vote. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:04:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except they don’t have access to that info “whenever they want.” If you are making a tik tok things like cameras and mics are on (obviously) If you spend more than 3 seconds setting up privacy on your phone tik tok nor any other app should be able to start using location services when it’s not being used. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter the personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want. Except they don’t have access to that info “whenever they want.” If you are making a tik tok things like cameras and mics are on (obviously) If you spend more than 3 seconds setting up privacy on your phone tik tok nor any other app should be able to start using location services when it’s not being used.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:04:26 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, but i can't go along with saying this is right. IMO if people want to install chinese spyware on their phone that is their mistake to make. Educate the public, Ban it in bases, govt buildings, etc, but a blanket ban is a bad idea. The only way you’re going to be able to ban it from bases or any other govt building is a no cell phone policy on the properties. There’s no way that’s going to happen. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:04:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TikTok may be stupid, but if Trump wants to ban everything that is probably stupid he should start with himself.  |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:05:24 PM EDT
[#36]
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:06:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter the personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want. Except they don’t have access to that info “whenever they want.” If you are making a tik tok things like cameras and mics are on (obviously) If you spend more than 3 seconds setting up privacy on your phone tik tok nor any other app should be able to start using location services when it’s not being used. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. My phone notifies me if my camera, microphone, or location services are being used. Are you claiming that tiktok has managed to bypass all of the OS security for those notifications and nobody has noticed yet except you? |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:06:59 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gonna make Oracle mad when their check clears Fuck Oracle. The only thing that would make me happier than pissing off China would be to stick it to Oracle. An entire company of scumbags, liars, dysfunctional support, retarded "engineers" and account reps who make you feel like you need a shower just from talking to them. I wouldn't let Oracle lick my ass if I ran out of toilet paper the day after Thanksgiving. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:10:58 PM EDT
[#39]
The right is just as bad as the right with banning shit they don't like. But you know, in the name of security makes it ok.
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:15:30 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. My phone notifies me if my camera, microphone, or location services are being used. Are you claiming that tiktok has managed to bypass all of the OS security for those notifications and nobody has noticed yet except you? You clearly know so much about that phone, that you know NOTHING about that phone . Remember when all the android phone owners thought they disabled location services , and google was still collecting their location ??? Yeah your phone is only telling you what a developer wants you to know... but if you like believing the nonsense you just posted because of feels keep on keeping on. Google admits it tracked user location data even when the setting was turned off |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:16:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You clearly know so much about that phone, that you know NOTHING about that phone . Remember when all the android phone owners thought they disabled location services , and google was still collecting their location ??? Yeah your phone is only telling you what a developer wants you to know... but if you like believing the nonsense you just posted because of feels keep on keeping on. Google admits it tracked user location data even when the setting was turned off Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. My phone notifies me if my camera, microphone, or location services are being used. Are you claiming that tiktok has managed to bypass all of the OS security for those notifications and nobody has noticed yet except you? You clearly know so much about that phone, that you know NOTHING about that phone . Remember when all the android phone owners thought they disabled location services , and google was still collecting their location ??? Yeah your phone is only telling you what a developer wants you to know... but if you like believing the nonsense you just posted because of feels keep on keeping on. Google admits it tracked user location data even when the setting was turned off First, that’s google. Second, that’s google the OS maker, not an app installed on the phone. The company who built the OS is going to have all sorts of access that a developer who puts apps on the play/App Store aren’t going to have. It’s not about feels, it’s about working in the industry and not being completely clueless and paranoid when it comes to technology. Apple could likely track me if they really wanted to, but that doesn’t extend to every app out there. Tiktok never even made a request for location services, and even if it did it would get set to either never, or only in use. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:17:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. 
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:17:16 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. My phone notifies me if my camera, microphone, or location services are being used. Are you claiming that tiktok has managed to bypass all of the OS security for those notifications and nobody has noticed yet except you? Hmmm I wonder if spyware has the capability of accessing your data at even given time regardless if the app is running or not? Serous question because I don’t know but I would imagine it could. Arfcom and YouTube are the only social media things I use. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:18:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. My phone notifies me if my camera, microphone, or location services are being used. Are you claiming that tiktok has managed to bypass all of the OS security for those notifications and nobody has noticed yet except you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter the personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want. Except they don’t have access to that info “whenever they want.” If you are making a tik tok things like cameras and mics are on (obviously) If you spend more than 3 seconds setting up privacy on your phone tik tok nor any other app should be able to start using location services when it’s not being used. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. My phone notifies me if my camera, microphone, or location services are being used. Are you claiming that tiktok has managed to bypass all of the OS security for those notifications and nobody has noticed yet except you? I love it when someone who is clueless about surveillance and technology assumes that because they toggled a button in their settings they are safe. They don't have to bypass any settings. Read the TOS and EUA. They capture and send data on app performance. This includes video, location, and sound data. This isn't some super secret thing. Lots of products do this. The difference here is where that data goes. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:23:50 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love it when someone who is clueless about surveillance and technology assumes that because they toggled a button in their settings they are safe. They don't have to bypass any settings. Read the TOS and EUA. They capture and send data on app performance. This includes video, location, and sound data. This isn't some super secret thing. Lots of products do this. The difference here is where that data goes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter the personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want. Except they don’t have access to that info “whenever they want.” If you are making a tik tok things like cameras and mics are on (obviously) If you spend more than 3 seconds setting up privacy on your phone tik tok nor any other app should be able to start using location services when it’s not being used. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. My phone notifies me if my camera, microphone, or location services are being used. Are you claiming that tiktok has managed to bypass all of the OS security for those notifications and nobody has noticed yet except you? I love it when someone who is clueless about surveillance and technology assumes that because they toggled a button in their settings they are safe. They don't have to bypass any settings. Read the TOS and EUA. They capture and send data on app performance. This includes video, location, and sound data. This isn't some super secret thing. Lots of products do this. The difference here is where that data goes. Yup. They use the video and sound data from when you are using the app for analytics. Just like voice assistants use your recordings for analytics. When you are actively using the camera on your phone in an app you should assume at least some of that data is being harvested. They cannot however just turn your phones cameras and location services on whenever they please without even your phone knowing it. Can you cite any recent sources for apps being able to turn on those sensors without even the phone knowing? Or do you just have other nearly irrelevant talking points? |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:26:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter their personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want. If there is evidence that that level of spying is happening then it needs to be clearly presented. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:27:02 PM EDT
[#47]
Don’t agree with this. What the fuck
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:29:36 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or maybe someone is on the fence and has been hearing "Trump is a dictator" for 4+ years, and then he bans their favorite social media app which cements in their mind "CNN was right, Trump is a dictator" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't say this is gonna hurt Trump that much. I would venture to guess the majority of folks using Tic Tok don't vote because they're not old enough. If they were going to vote for Trump, but decide not to simply because they can't get onto Tic Tok, we've got way more fucking problems than we could ever hope for. Or maybe someone is on the fence and has been hearing "Trump is a dictator" for 4+ years, and then he bans their favorite social media app which cements in their mind "CNN was right, Trump is a dictator" Exactly. This could have waited until after the election. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:34:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. This could have waited until after the election. Or never. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 12:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. They use the video and sound data from when you are using the app for analytics. Just like voice assistants use your recordings for analytics. When you are actively using the camera on your phone in an app you should assume at least some of that data is being harvested. They cannot however just turn your phones cameras and location services on whenever they please without even your phone knowing it. Can you cite any recent sources for apps being able to turn on those sensors without even the phone knowing? Or do you just have other nearly irrelevant talking points? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think the concern is real. You have an app that gains access to the camera, mic, location services, and requires users to enter the personal info. All this data can be accessed by the Chinese govt. How many company executives, politicians, engineers, military personal, and scientists have kids in close proximity with that app on their phones. Think about the intel you can gain by hearing, seeing, and knowing their location whenever you want. Except they don’t have access to that info “whenever they want.” If you are making a tik tok things like cameras and mics are on (obviously) If you spend more than 3 seconds setting up privacy on your phone tik tok nor any other app should be able to start using location services when it’s not being used. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif I love it when someone is clueless without evidence just asserts they are right because they want to be. My phone notifies me if my camera, microphone, or location services are being used. Are you claiming that tiktok has managed to bypass all of the OS security for those notifications and nobody has noticed yet except you? I love it when someone who is clueless about surveillance and technology assumes that because they toggled a button in their settings they are safe. They don't have to bypass any settings. Read the TOS and EUA. They capture and send data on app performance. This includes video, location, and sound data. This isn't some super secret thing. Lots of products do this. The difference here is where that data goes. Yup. They use the video and sound data from when you are using the app for analytics. Just like voice assistants use your recordings for analytics. When you are actively using the camera on your phone in an app you should assume at least some of that data is being harvested. They cannot however just turn your phones cameras and location services on whenever they please without even your phone knowing it. Can you cite any recent sources for apps being able to turn on those sensors without even the phone knowing? Or do you just have other nearly irrelevant talking points? People have already done that and you whined but, dats googles.  Again if your too stupid to read the ELU and TOS I can’t help you. Carry on in blissful ignorance. |
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