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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:24:13 AM EST
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At least around here it's higher for the vans/cars than 4x4s. Still see plenty of 4x4s in the ditches but more cars. Maybe because I'm more rural so the 4x4s actually know how to drive but shit i dont know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Happens to every kind of vehicle While it can happen to any kind of vehicle, after the first good winter weather event, 87% of the vehicles in the ditches are 4x4's. Later in the season the types of vehicles in the ditches seem to more closely reflect what's on the road. It's a driver confidence thing. At least around here it's higher for the vans/cars than 4x4s. Still see plenty of 4x4s in the ditches but more cars. Maybe because I'm more rural so the 4x4s actually know how to drive but shit i dont know. My experience is based on observing what happens in the burbs/major metro areas, and little personal experience. 
1st Snow - Car driver, "I better be careful" vs 4x4 driver, "Dude, I'm drivin' a 4x4." 87th Snow - 4x4 driver, "Better be careful" vs. Car driver, "Pfft, I've been driving in shit worse than this all winter long." |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:30:44 AM EST
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Apples to oranges, Sir. There's quite a difference between driving on ice and windswept tundra north of the arctic-circle and driving on a one lane forest service road in the mountains in the lower 48. In the latter case, if you break through the crust you'll be wishing you'd filled the bed with road sodies...'cause you have them all drank by the time you get your truck out of there.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:33:04 AM EST
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I was driving on an iced covered road going abot 15 mph and was nearly run over by a pickup as he flew by. Caught up to him a few miles later...he was upside down in the center median with the cab completely under the snow.
 
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:42:17 AM EST
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Nothing increases traction in bad conditions like stacks, $20 from mom, truck nuts and salt life and monster stickers. When those assets are deployed by an operator with a flat billed hat and large WHITE Oakley sunglasses, the vehicle would be unstoppable !! |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:44:46 AM EST
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:46:24 AM EST
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What exactly is it about a Dodge Ram that attracts the biggest d-bags?
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Posted: 1/9/2017 12:06:12 PM EST
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I always tell people that think awd and 4x4 is the end all answer to winter driving. I tell them that yeah, they will get traction easier but they stop just the same as a fwd. Thats where most accidents happen.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 12:08:44 PM EST
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Satisfying! I drive my 4x4 like a fucking grandma in bad weather and will happily hang with the slower traffic. Yessir better safe than sorry or sliding into oncoming traffic |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 12:15:42 PM EST
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35x12.50's on my F-150 and they are fucking hilarious in the snow. I cant fucking stop for shit.
Like snowboards on the truck lol But when the snow is deep, its easy :) Going forward is never the issue, it's stopping |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 12:32:11 PM EST
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your avatar is simply beautiful @bennjammin @bcsoeod
That's OPs handywork. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:08:57 PM EST
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What exactly is it about a Dodge Ram that attracts the biggest d-bags? |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:12:06 PM EST
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The only advantage for higher ground clearance is that if there is 3 to 4 feet of snow, a smaller vehicle is going to be snowplowing its way through the snow.
You'll find out exactly how bad that is the next time you take a look at your front bumper. My Toyota has mesh inserts in the front skid plate, and driving it through deep snow has completely mashed them in. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:13:34 PM EST
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Derp. Also, you need less douchey friends. A douche and his dodge. Looks like a 2wd 1500 too |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:23:27 PM EST
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That picture is strangely satisfying.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:23:45 PM EST
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Yes, 4WD can help you go in the snow. It doesn't do shit on ice and it doesn't help you maintain control or brake. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:24:18 PM EST
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Who's "you" supposed to be? 4wd helps me maintain control and brake in snow and ice. Others as well. Not to mention good tire selection coupled with 4wd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, 4WD can help you go in the snow. It doesn't do shit on ice and it doesn't help you maintain control or brake. newsflash to Subaru I'm guessing
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:25:16 PM EST
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I've never had an issue in snow and ice driving my Wrangler.
Then again, I don't drive like an idiot. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:27:58 PM EST
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When I was younger I used to go around in my mildly lifted Wrangler with studs on all fours and help stuck motorists out, whether it be a simple tug or a bit of shoveling. Helped some nice older folks and families but eventually I stopped due to worrying about liability if something happened.
One year I stopped for a huge brodozer F250 that was stuck in a snowy ditch just spinning his tires. I noticed that only the rears were spinning. The guy got out and I could immediately tell he was an ass, just had a bad attitude about me even being there. Imagine how polite he was when I told him that 4x4 doesn't work if you don't lock your hubs. I locked them for him and told him to try again. He pulled right out of the ditch, didn't stop to say thanks, just sped off. Last year in Oregon we were visiting family during a big snow and ice storm. One day while going to the store we got passed on a solid sheet of ice by a brodozer Dodge doing almost 60, who passed 3 or 4 cars in a row. Imagine my surprise when he is there in the store parking lot. I confronted him and told him he was going to get someone killed. He just said OK and walked off into the store. When we came out he was gone. Guess what, he waited for me to exit the store parking lot, and pulled out in front of me, and proceeded to drive at like 10mph all the way back to where we first saw him, presumably trying to get me to pass him. Huge line or cars behind us. Then when we went down a long hill, he stopped on the hill and tried to get me to slide into him. I was able to turn off of the road and pretend we were going somewhere else, as we right at wife's family's home and I didn't want this double to see where we were going. We ended up filing a report with the sheriff but nothing came of it. All because asshole wanted to drive insane speeds on ice and snow where everyone else was going slow, and someone called him on it. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:31:53 PM EST
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There is always some dickless wonder that thinks they can defy the laws of physics and run twice as fast as everyone else.
Guess who I see in the ditch 5 miles down the road more than once... |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:33:26 PM EST
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High center of gravity...
All terrain tires... Sudden traction while drifting... Do you even physics bro? |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:54:10 PM EST
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Satisfying! I drive my 4x4 like a fucking grandma in bad weather and will happily hang with the slower traffic. Ditto. I'm sure people roll their eyes at my Raptor chugging along at safe & sane speeds on ice and bad road conditions.* 4WD isn't giving magical steering and stopping ability. I keep about 100lb tube sand and a bunch of heavy recovery gear in the bed (hi lift jack, transport chain, shackles, kinetic rope, etc), most of it just in front of the rear axles. That's also not a perfect prevention but should help keep the rear end planted better. *unplowed roads covered with 6-12" of snow, no traffic, and safe runout room excepted. Those are like a private rally track. People were getting stuck in my neighborhood throughout the last week. 4Hi, lock the rear differential, disable as many electronic nannies as possible, and use momentum to drift my way home as needed. A passenger asked if went to a special driving school to learn how to drive like that. I answered honestly: no. My daily driver growing up in southeast Idaho snow was a 1970 GM muscle car coupe.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:59:02 PM EST
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I also love the hicks that think their pickup trucks are fast Mine's reasonably quick for what it is, but electronic limiting to 100mph pretty much kicks it out of the running for "fast." |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:01:26 PM EST
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Never had to engage 4x4 low. Tested it but do my driving in 4x4 hi range.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:02:26 PM EST
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Mine's reasonably quick for what it is, but electronic limiting to 100mph pretty much kicks it out of the running for "fast." A tuner can take care of that little drawback |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:05:11 PM EST
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newsflash to Subaru I'm guessing Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, 4WD can help you go in the snow. It doesn't do shit on ice and it doesn't help you maintain control or brake. newsflash to Subaru I'm guessing 
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:06:04 PM EST
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:07:41 PM EST
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Sooo, too fast for conditions it might appear...
damn idiots like him giving us lifted truck owners a bad rap 
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:12:36 PM EST
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A tuner can take care of that little drawback True, but I took the "sucker bet" of a 100k mile extended service plan after having electronic gremlins in my GMC just after the warranty ended. My Ford then spent about 1/4 of Q1 2016 in the shop tracking down a bizarre series of failures in the electronics. The amount paid for rental vehicles over that time would have exceeded the price of the service contract (which includes rental). I'll happily have my fun below 100mph, as fuel economy and crash survivability both go way down as speed increases. FWIW, I am a former velocity junkie but sold my GSXR750 well over 15 years ago. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:17:28 PM EST
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I also love the hicks that think their pickup trucks are fast Meh. Had my dozer pegged at 120mph with peddle to go earlier this summer. That was before bumping up to my current injectors. Plan on twin turboing it in the next few years. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:19:20 PM EST
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He should have bought a  Fixed. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:20:12 PM EST
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What exactly is it about a Dodge Ram that attracts the biggest d-bags? It is so true. I'm not joking, once I bought my dodge I noticed changes in my driving behavior. I became that asshole when i used to not give a fuck. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:22:09 PM EST
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True, but I took the "sucker bet" of a 100k mile extended service plan after having electronic gremlins in my GMC just after the warranty ended. My Ford then spent about 1/4 of Q1 2016 in the shop tracking down a bizarre series of failures in the electronics. The amount paid for rental vehicles over that time would have exceeded the price of the service contract (which includes rental). I'll happily have my fun below 100mph, as fuel economy and crash survivability both go way down as speed increases. FWIW, I am a former velocity junkie but sold my GSXR750 well over 15 years ago. Your decision seems solid. I wasn't too worried about my warranty so I got cheap HP. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 5:48:57 PM EST
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Meh. Had my dozer pegged at 120mph with peddle to go earlier this summer. That was before bumping up to my current injectors. Plan on twin turboing it in the next few years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also love the hicks that think their pickup trucks are fast Meh. Had my dozer pegged at 120mph with peddle to go earlier this summer. That was before bumping up to my current injectors. Plan on twin turboing it in the next few years. 
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Posted: 1/9/2017 6:33:52 PM EST
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I cannot think of a worse vehicle for icy roads
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Posted: 1/9/2017 6:35:32 PM EST
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hahah.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 6:50:14 PM EST
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I cannot think of a worse vehicle for icy roads A challenger emerges. I had a Honda S2000 daily driver one winter. Even with Hankook Ice Bears, it was a pretty squirrelly ride. Loads of fun, but AP1s are a twitchy car even in the best conditions. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 7:02:04 PM EST
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Mine's reasonably quick for what it is, but electronic limiting to 100mph pretty much kicks it out of the running for "fast." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also love the hicks that think their pickup trucks are fast Mine's reasonably quick for what it is, but electronic limiting to 100mph pretty much kicks it out of the running for "fast." He is probably one of the guys who is pissed his "sports car" gets left behind in a quarter by a diesel that's runs 12s with a couple thousand in work.......then drives home pulling a camper. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 7:43:18 PM EST
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Lol trucks.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:21:53 PM EST
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Lol trucks. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:27:09 PM EST
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While it can happen to any kind of vehicle, after the first good winter weather event, 87% of the vehicles in the ditches are 4x4's. Later in the season the types of vehicles in the ditches seem to more closely reflect what's on the road. It's a driver confidence thing. The trouble in my opinion, is that people don't understand that 4WD only helps when accelerating and, only if you know what you're doing(which many don't), in corners. Braking is no better. So people go faster, then crash harder. That said, the best vehicles I ever had in the snow were a 1993 (I think ) Chevy S10 Blazer, and a 1995 Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4. The Blazer was an absolute cat in the snow. I never got stuck in the snow. The weight distribution was perfect and it has a good 4WD system. The Ram was great too thanks to the long wheelbase, low horsepower and good tires. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:28:16 PM EST
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They are cheap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What exactly is it about a Dodge Ram that attracts the biggest d-bags? |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:05:14 PM EST
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:49:09 PM EST
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High center of gravity... All terrain tires... Sudden traction while drifting... Do you even physics bro? + Hp to weight ratio.. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:18:36 PM EST
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BTW - why do we never see 4X4 trucks in rallies drifting at 55 on hairpin mountain curves in the trees? |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:50:54 PM EST
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I've been in 3-4 feet with an audi rs4 on blizzaks on unplowed roads. We wont talk about the inner fender wells ripped out, all the under belly plastic ripped off, or from when I had to plow through a 5' high bank in reverse the exhaust getting pushed a little bit so when I down shifted the drive shaft clanked off of it every time. Ah to be young again early 20's! Oh yea and not being able to open the doors right because the snow was so high lol I seriously did maybe 60 miles that way on back roads. Another time was an Audi TT-RS the same situation, same tires. Trying to get to a airport to leave the country and they were closing around SE PA so we quick hauled ass to LaGuardia. My girlfriends escalade left the emblem print in the snow when she parked. Both of those cars were even lowered. LoL ok. maybe the problem here is imperial vs metric measurements... ar-jedi |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:12:10 PM EST
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Yea I don't think I would have posted the wrecked pic If you can't figure out the important stuff like not wrecking, you're probably not going to understand what not to post. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:15:35 PM EST
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LoL ok. maybe the problem here is imperial vs metric measurements... ar-jedi I think you are on to something |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:23:06 PM EST
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LoL ok. maybe the problem here is imperial vs metric measurements... ar-jedi um okay ETA lol just read that thread |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:25:01 PM EST
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At least around here it's higher for the vans/cars than 4x4s. Still see plenty of 4x4s in the ditches but more cars. Maybe because I'm more rural so the 4x4s actually know how to drive but shit i dont know. It's cars and semi trucks around here. I haven't winched a 4x4 out yet this winter. Done plenty of cars and a few rolled semi trucks though. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 8:12:30 PM EST
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This one owned the shit out of this snowy road today.
Full load of rough sawn lumber.... White Ash I believe. About 75% of it had to be carried to within reach of the log loader. 
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