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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:29:46 AM EDT
Are you better off staying or leaving if you live in an urban area and shtf?
Do you think that bugging out is a fantasy? Do you think it is a reality in the case of SHTF?  Bugging Out To Nowhere: A SHTF Fantasy |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:31:04 AM EDT
[#1]
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:33:04 AM EDT
[#2]
I’ll watch up at the barn.
 If you’re urban I think you’re screwed. I’ll be praying for ya. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:34:05 AM EDT
[#3]
I'm in the country and staying put.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:44:07 AM EDT
[#4]
Cliff notes?
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:45:45 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cliff notes? If you strap on a pack and grab a rifle to head out into the wilderness, you’re dead. Edit: I didn’t watch the video. 
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:46:29 AM EDT
[#6]
If you have a pre-staged place to go, sure. If you think you're gonna go live out in the woods Rambo style? Lol.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:47:35 AM EDT
[#7]
Bug out describes it.
I may as well stay put. That would be better than being killed by a combination of sunburn, bug bites, poison ivy, snakes, gators. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:47:58 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm in the country and staying put. I have 200 acres, two creeks, a pond and a functional old school well. I’m staying put. If SHTF occurs, sister wives may bathe and apply for citizenship. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:48:45 AM EDT
[#9]
The further you live away from the threats the better.
Distance from large cities will buy you time to shift to a higher readiness condition if the SHTF and make your life better in a hundred ways if it doesn't. I only worked in a city until I was certain I had enough savings to leave. It's a risky strategy that gets more risky day-by-day with the democrats in power. Now I live two hours from an interstate freeway, in a city with a crime rate less than half the US average, and the nearest city of +50K is Green Bay about two hours away. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:50:23 AM EDT
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Couldn’t make it through that one.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:50:35 AM EDT
[#11]
Ragnar Benson basically said bugging out equals refugee
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:51:42 AM EDT
[#12]
I would be entirely too bored to “bug out”.
You guys really want to miss out on S hitting the fan? I hope the bugout brigade understands their humalog has a limited shelf life. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:51:55 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have 200 acres, two creeks, a pond and a functional old school well. I’m staying put. If SHTF occurs, sister wives may bathe and apply for citizenship. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm in the country and staying put. I have 200 acres, two creeks, a pond and a functional old school well. I’m staying put. If SHTF occurs, sister wives may bathe and apply for citizenship. Wait, What? All that bitching and moaning from you over the last two years about how you don't have two nickels to rub together, and you have been sitting on 200 acres? 
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:52:59 AM EDT
[#14]
You could do it after a die off but early on makes you a target. Literally.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:53:05 AM EDT
[#15]
At least at home I have a defendable position. I'm so out of shape I know I'm not making it a mile on foot before I keel over. Staying home is my literal only option.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 8:53:38 AM EDT
[#16]
It's only a fantasy if you haven't already prepped a bug out location.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:00:36 AM EDT
[#17]
Stay off my lawn.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:03:24 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bug out describes it. I may as well stay put. That would be better than being killed by a combination of sunburn, bug bites, poison ivy, snakes, gators. Fire ants. You forgot fire ants. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:07:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:10:18 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll watch up at the barn. If you’re urban I think you’re screwed. I’ll be praying for ya. Urban: GTFO White Suburbia - middle, upper middle, upper: Stay |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:14:03 AM EDT
[#21]
Anyone who has ever “Bugged out” during a hurricane knows this 30-50 mile idea is bullshit. Entire REGIONS of the country are on the move-roadways are gridlocked….you are not going anywhere. A spilled box of roofing nails on I-95 through SC shuts down the entire east coast.
Tactical Timmy out in the deserts of Nevada/Utah-where this video appears to be filmed (during decent weather -the early fall-) is screwed when it gets cold wearing what he has on. Who is he talking to with his tier 1comms anyway? Rated BS. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:15:28 AM EDT
[#22]
Pull up anchor, turn on water maker, turn AIS off, hoist sails and sit off of one of Bahamas deserted islands.
I could literally do this in less than 30 minutes. I'll ride out the winter in warmth. Things I wish I had before I bug out: FLIR camera Electric dinghy motor My SSB radio working Another 50# rice 20-30 cans of food More bug spray and sunscreen |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:18:15 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who has ever “Bugged out” during a hurricane knows this 30-50 mile idea is bullshit. Entire REGIONS of the country are on the move-roadways are gridlocked….you are not going anywhere. A spilled box of roofing nails on I-95 through SC shuts down the entire east coast. Tactical Timmy out in the deserts of Nevada/Utah-where this video appears to be filmed (during decent weather -the early fall-) is screwed when it gets cold wearing what he has on. Who is he talking to with his tier 1comms anyway? Rated BS. The desert will snatch the life right out of you |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:20:34 AM EDT
[#24]
My bag is to get me home.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:21:51 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tactical Timmy out in the deserts of Nevada/Utah-where this video appears to be filmed (during decent weather -the early fall-) is screwed when it gets cold wearing what he has on. Who is he talking to with his tier 1comms anyway? Rated BS. Did you watch the video? The entire purpose of the video is "Tactical Timmy" as you say dispelling the idea that you can "bug out to nowhere" and go live on the land. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:22:36 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The desert will snatch the life right out of you Water is life and big game (you need big game to survive) is “almost” non existent. Wild horses, Antelope, deer, pigs, and cattle will be your food supply. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:23:23 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you watch the video? The entire purpose of the video is "Tactical Timmy" as you say dispelling the idea that you can "bug out to nowhere" and go live on the land. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tactical Timmy out in the deserts of Nevada/Utah-where this video appears to be filmed (during decent weather -the early fall-) is screwed when it gets cold wearing what he has on. Who is he talking to with his tier 1comms anyway? Rated BS. Did you watch the video? The entire purpose of the video is "Tactical Timmy" as you say dispelling the idea that you can "bug out to nowhere" and go live on the land. I made it to the scene with his cars parked…. Horses are done eating. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:26:39 AM EDT
[#28]
IMO, becoming a refugee is absolutely the last thing you want to do in an emergency.
Quoted: Did you watch the video? |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:30:46 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who has ever “Bugged out” during a hurricane knows this 30-50 mile idea is bullshit. Entire REGIONS of the country are on the move-roadways are gridlocked….you are not going anywhere. A spilled box of roofing nails on I-95 through SC shuts down the entire east coast. Tactical Timmy out in the deserts of Nevada/Utah-where this video appears to be filmed (during decent weather -the early fall-) is screwed when it gets cold wearing what he has on. Who is he talking to with his tier 1comms anyway? Rated BS. Tactical Timmy agrees with you. Which was the purpose of the video. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:30:47 AM EDT
[#30]
One of the considerations when we were shopping for a house was never having to "bug out."
We don't get hurricanes, floods or earthquakes. Far enough away from large urban areas so as to no have to worry about roving gangs of zombies. Not close to any major rail lines. We never have problems with wildfires. For those who don't know, the Great Lakes create their own weather systems, so it would never get that dry. Sure an airplane could fall out of the sky or a rogue tornado could pop up, but the most likely outcome would be mild, not "finger of God" damage. If there was ever a situation where we'd have to leave, it would be due to a scale of human calamity never seen in history. And in that case, all bets are off, anyways. Not worth planning, or even expending thought. I plan to die in this house. Whether by natural, or unnatural, causes. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:33:50 AM EDT
[#31]
If you live in an urban or suburban area you need to have a place to bug out to ahead of time so find a place now and make a plan. People thinking they're just going to escape to the country with no place to go are going to find armed and angry country folk waiting.
I mention suburban people because even if you live in a very safe place now when your unprepared neighbors start getting hungry they'll come for you. Also suburban areas are first in line for criminals, gangs, commies and even govt. forces. Once houses start catching fire you're pretty much screwed. Of course there is different levels of SHTF and you may make it in a suburban setting if your neighbors are prepared as well. If you're urban you're not going to survive unless you join up with the ruling gang and then they may just off you and take your shit anyway so it's best to GTFO. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:33:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:35:51 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pull up anchor, turn on water maker, turn AIS off, hoist sails and sit off of one of Bahamas deserted islands. I could literally do this in less than 30 minutes. I'll ride out the winter in warmth. Things I wish I had before I bug out: FLIR camera Electric dinghy motor My SSB radio working Another 50# rice 20-30 cans of food More bug spray and sunscreen This is actually doable. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:41:46 AM EDT
[#34]
I'm in the suburbs. "Safe" area, but 20 miles as the crow flys from Oakland. There are literally two highways out of the east bay, the Sacramento delta and that's it. Going cross country wouldn't work. About 2.5 million people all told.
Bugging out would get you dead or in a camp. I imagine the stench will be bad after a week. I'm out of here in May. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:44:41 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Are you better off staying or leaving if you live in an urban area and shtf? Do you think that bugging out is a fantasy? Do you think it is a reality in the case of SHTF?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w7bVLml7yAReal-world preppers have been planning to bug-in long before it was cool. Fleeing on the roads to nowhere in particular has been a Mad Max mental-fantasy for several decades now, … and it’s a still plan that won’t end well. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:49:42 AM EDT
[#36]
Bug out? To where? I'm on land, secure building, defendable, and everything I need is here.
If suburban or cities dwellers think they are coming here to hide in the mountains, they thought wrong. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:52:33 AM EDT
[#37]
Any location, even remote, rural ones, would be perilous in a true TEOTWAWKI situation. You'd be mistaken if you think a rural farm would be safe, as people, from single persons to roaming hoards, will be like locusts searching for food and supplies. Probably the best situation would be a rural town where there are enough people for mutual defense, but not too many to exhaust the food from de-industrialized farming.
The hollers in rural KY, WV, TN, etc. would probably do alright, once the meth/fentanyl ran out. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 9:59:55 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bug out? To where? I'm on land, secure building, defendable, and everything I need is here. If suburban or cities dwellers think they are coming here to hide in the mountains, they thought wrong. Your house in the country is isolated with few, sparse or no neighbors and is full of supplies. You eventually have to sleep. When there’s no longer food in the suburbs and the cities, they’re coming in large numbers to your farming or rural community to hunt your live stock or deer and other wildlife on your property. Then, they’ll take your shit. If you’re lucky, they’ll let you live. People don’t think desperation and survival be like it is, but it do. No one is safe in a SHTF situation. No one. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:02:51 AM EDT
[#39]
Dick Proenneke didn’t need all the things we think we need.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:04:01 AM EDT
[#40]
Truth
I’m in the country and bugging in  The SHTF bug out fantasy=REFUGEE YOU need to BUG IN! |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:04:30 AM EDT
[#41]
"Bugout fantasy" the fantasy everybody debunks and nobody has.
This stupid shit is like "trickle down economics" where everybody complains about something that doesn't exist. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:06:26 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your house in the country is isolated with few, sparse or no neighbors and is full of supplies. You eventually have to sleep. When there’s no longer food in the suburbs and the cities, they’re coming in large numbers to your community to hunt your live stock and deer and other wildlife on your property. Then, they’ll take your shit. If you’re lucky, they’ll let you live. People don’t think desperation and survival be like it is, but it do. They are definitely coming. Friends and family are coming first. That’s the plan. That has always been the plan. I doubt anyone with a farm or property is really thinking they are going at it alone. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:06:39 AM EDT
[#43]
im not leaving my house, you want it come get it
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:06:46 AM EDT
[#44]
How resentful will the locals be when their resources are stripped within hours?
Not talking deer and squirrels. Gas stations, grocery and drug stores picked clean with no chance of resupply will piss off the neighbors, trust me. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:07:01 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you strap on a pack and grab a rifle to head out into the wilderness, you’re dead. Edit: I didn’t watch the video. i agree nothing screams 'SHOOT ME' like looking SEAL Team Six as you move through unfamiliar terrain advice : hunker down with adequate provisions in a familiar area -- whether urban, suburban, rural -- and wait out the immediate crisis then judiciously determine a better COA. if one exists. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:08:16 AM EDT
[#46]
Something I forgot to mention in my initial post is roadways. Even if you have the best bug out location you have to be able to get there. The Interstates and even some of the secondary main roads will be clogged with people thinking they're going to escape. Go look at the photos and even videos of the vehicles piled up and not moving on the Interstates when people are fleeing hurricanes.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:08:21 AM EDT
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The core question is, “What makes you think the people who live in the area you are fleeing to will accept you?” The chances are you will only be a liability to them, not an asset.
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:10:11 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dick Proenneke didn’t need all the things we think we need. Most people today including the tier 1 operators and so-called expert survivalists couldn't do what he did. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:10:53 AM EDT
[#49]
Me? I live in a solidly middle / middle upper class community. For the most part, we lean red. Organize. Know who your neighbors are. Pay close attention to elections and who has which signs in their yard. Knowing who is on your team is paramount.
Power in numbers. As time goes on, the social hierarchy and who wants power will get increasingly complicated and deadly. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 10:12:14 AM EDT
[#50]
The only thing to flee is fire, radiation or chemical agents.
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