Well living on an island is better than being on the mainland when it comes to dealing with the zombies.

The biggest problem we are totally dependent upon shipping for everything.
So I have enough supplies to get us through at least 2 months, hopefully the herd will be thinned out by then.

Best option is a larger blue water sailboat, stocked with freeze dried supplies.

He has never tried to hide the fact he has 200 acres, he has mentioned it before.  I seem to recall that, after the divorce and his work place issue, the land is all he has left and is trying his damndest to hold it and pass to his kids.

Edit:  I see he has already responded and I was thinking of the right poster.

If he waits long enough to sail there will be no fuel for those speedboats.

I live in a SHTF inspired home. On acreage, few neighbors off in the distance ( likeminded people ) in a county thats low on crime and even lower on population.
Having come here from a city that was falling apart, in a state that is dem run.
Decisions are important. The idea of just grabbing gear and heading out is not only going to get you contact with the bad ones on your way out, but it will put you directly into the sights of those who were smart enough to get faraway from the nonsense.
We do not take kindly to people on our land, and we have a strong sense of community with our neighbors.
This is not even mentioning that up here the weather will kill you faster than a bad person, and very few have I met in my years are worthy of walking into the woods, and surviving for long periods of time. No matter how many Gucci ARs you own, or how much you spent on KUIU and jet boil stoves.
Mother Nature is a mean lady.

That channel has gotten really popular lately

You somehow managed to disagree with him while saying the exact same thing he said in the video you clearly didn't watch.
Good job.

I haven’t tried to hide it. Back in 2014 the wife and I had a budget, savings we had carefully nurtured and when we had our ‘goal’ budget we started looking for suitable land. Found a few places that we almost purchased, even walked out on one place at the closing because the sellers had overestimated the acreage.

This place fell into our realtors laps, an older gentleman  owned it and when he passed away his adult children decided to sell it ASAP. There was a large commercial chicken hatchery on the property that had been shut down in 1989 (a 330’x98’ metal barn) and the family gotten a quote to tear it down and remove it from the land. They offered to deduct this cost from the asking price if we left it in place, which didn’t bother us at all. We got a 5 bedroom, 2-1/2 bath farmhouse built half in 1953, half in 1993, two garage outbuildings, the chicken pole barn, and a couple of older wooden barns way out back on the property, and just under 200 acres (actually 196.6 ). It’s all woods and mountains, like I said, with two creeks and a pond. The wife and I paid $159,000. We’d had enough left over for us to go back to school (I had the GI bill and a Pell Grant). We had six kids from 17 to 1 year old at the time and my wife was very interested in self sufficiency and prepping.

The downside was rural/farm life. We’re ten miles from our small town, 40 minutes from Ashland, an hour from Huntington. I firmly believe that country life was one of the things that fed her unhappiness and depression after our daughter was born, and it definitely played a part in her infidelity. She’s a city girl now and her new husband can’t fix a leak sink or replace a fuse or breaker. My oldest son had to change a tire for him.

My daughter, 17, lives with me full time and raises chickens and pigs, although we only have a dozen of each right now, the chickens for the eggs, mostly. We are trying our hardest to keep the farm going and as others have read in previous threads in here, I lost my RN license last year after a long expensive legal battle. I finally have a decent tech job and I’m slowly getting back bills pays and getting back on my feet. My youngest daughter turned ten yesterday, her biggest request for a birthday present was a breakfast of biscuits and squirrel gravy. My 17-year old harvested four greys and made an awesome breakfast for her. My oldest son (26) and his wife brought our first grandchild into the world on Thursday, a little boy, and I couldn’t be prouder.

But back to prepping. We’d bug in. We still have decent prep but my dry goods have taken a beating, slowing replenishing when I can. Biggest fear/hurdle is getting the kids from their moms in a SHTF scenario. Huntington is 45 miles east of me. My other son (19) lives with them most of the time and has his mom’s 2017 wrangler JKU, he knows to get his sisters and head here if things get squirrelly (no pun intended).

In the same vein, Mel Tappan, who dismissed bugging out as "playing Batman in the boondocks"

Im rural and our threat every day is the meth heads in the run down trailer down the road. It’ll be the same if we’re ever in some kind of national or regional crisis.

This. All my urban relatives tell me they’re coming to my place if it gets bad.  I’ll protect you if you can get here is the standard response. I doubt they could get here.

Too many variables for me to discredit what he’s saying.

Are we talking about gun fights on the streets, or are we saying no power? Without power half (if not more) of the country isn’t going to survive the winter even before you add other challenges. Can you imagine having to fight for water or firewood when it’s -10 outside? I have a great stock of canned foods but how do I keep them from freezing and popping?

People in cities (like myself) are screwed right at the start.

My plan is lower Exumas, but could run further south.  Hope you know the secret handshake.  

I live on Long Island. It takes forever to get past NYC on a good day. During a disaster? Forget it.

I'm not going anywhere unless it's by boat.

It is tough enough to live in the wilderness under the best of circumstances.  Food, shelter, fire, attending to basic needs is a lot of work.  To do that while having to worry about whatever else could happen to you in a SHTF scenario?  No thanks.  If you don't have a country place all set and ready to go, or if you don't have a tribe with a pre-arranged meeting place and infrastructure, you are almost always better off staying put.

Truth.  Otherwise, you are best staying put.  The idea is to prepare ahead of time so you don't have to leave.  Chances of success long term are much worse if you "bug out".

Right this second I have 2x 9mm pistols, Remmy 870, and my supressed 300 blk on the boat.  If I have time to get to my storage I have access to.... everything.

But I will be less worries in the islands remotely than ANYWHERE urban.  

Sure pirates are a problem but much less so than land I would wager.  Fewer people can get to my house than your house.  Also, the average islander is a better person than the average American.

You guys can hunt off the last of the deer.  I will have unlimited crab, lobster...and hopefully some fish.

My luxury is that I can literally go RIGHT THIS SECOND.  I'd bet the bulk of bug out larpers here would be dead after the first tank of gas.  

I guess it depends on location. If you're in the midwest and next to farmland...things would be alot easier than say in the middle of a Big City.  I would think Bugging "In" would be more valuable than Bugging "Out" per se.  Sure one can make it through a week or so out in the woods but once the supplies wear off (Mainly food), things are going to get shaky.  It would make more sense to lock your house down and protect it with a suplus of whatever has been stored in it (i.e. Doomsday Prepping) and being able to Bug In with a Get Home Bag seems more reasonable.

Again I understand everyones situation is different.  If I'm in a big city, I am going to get out as fast and as sneaky as I can. If I'm in the country, I have more time to assess the situation.

Steal a plane or helicopter.
Anybody can learn to fly, just watch a few youtube videos

But you're still in MI.  TS doesn't have to HTF, it's already all around you. The Yoopers will get you one way or the other.

With a wife and 2 kids 5/3 bugging out is a nightmare.

As a single guy it's a dream

This ,   read the book and remember that part .    Unless you are wealthy and have your retreat equipped as well as your home in terms of tools ,  food , supplies , etc. and can afford the security to keep it untouched .   Last minute load out and moving may not go as planned and you may lose your cargo .   Then you get to your BOL and find out your hired security has helped themselves to much of your stash .

I vote for Thunderball as the password and Warwick Wells as the meeting point.

This describes less than 1 percent of Americans.  

All you guys staying put are gonna be sorry when this boog kicks off as we all get forcibly moved to FEMA camps.

While rural, I'm not in the middle of nowhere and I'm sure I'd have to golf clap a few tactical Ted's off my property before it's all said and Done

The only thing I want if the shit really does hit the fan is to die well.

The majority of people in cities won't make it very far.

How do you think those people are going to GET there when the highways are packed with dead cars?  You think they're going to WALK hundreds of miles?

Working cars, motorcycles, bicycles, ATV’s, foot, horse.  People will go where food and supplies are.  Not everyone lives in the city.  Even suburbia or those in the ex-urbs will venture outward.  

You really haven’t thought this out, have you?

Who would be dumb enough to stay in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina?


Now extrapolate that to any city


Yes, get the fuck out, ideally before, but if you can't, then as soon after as you can



before everyone else builds a wall around the city no one in or out and cops set up on bridges roadways and shoot anyone who tries to leave because they aren't taking a chance on criminals and looters.


Think about it. Why the FUCK would you stay unless you had to because you're a 1st responder or law enforcement? You wanna stay while the population turns feral?

only bright side is you can take pics of the shit you see

Well, one of us hasn't.

You DO need a bug out plan, but that should be several steps down the "how bad has shit gotten" flow chart, and it's going to be subject to change depending on the emergency.

Everyone in Acapulco wishes they had a pre-staged bag with essitals in it.

anybody really wanna stay as part of this kind of gagglefuck




there's a lot of people that simply do not have the resources to leave the cities in a SHTF scenario.


and there's the hand to mouth types who have been conditioned to always assume that someone is coming to save them.


planner/prepper types are a tiny minority, and those types already don't live in cities anymore.

When Covid broke through into the public consciousness, what many of you in the land of moms basements didn't see is that a lot of your neighbors bugged out and apparently their idea of "middle of nowhere" or a good BOL was my neighborhood. Large campgrounds were full and for a short time there were many campsites that were just RV's pulled over on the side of the highway.

If you are going to bug in, get serious about preparing your home field advantage.

If you are going to bug out, don't wait till morning.

We used to see more hints here of a type of person out there that you should never forget exists. They've mostly gone quiet and that should speak to you. Their plan is to find rabbits in their burrows and kill and steal. All are dangerous, most are used to violence of either a criminal or military nature and some are very competent if not experienced killers. They have a plan for you and you should have a plan for them. If you don't, you won't even see them coming.

We're in God's hands.

Bugging out is a terrible idea.  If your bugout bag weighs 80 lbs and you are also carrying rifle plates, a full load out of extra mags, rifle and pistol, you are doubly fucked.    So you have a woobie?  Lol, not only does it take up too much space, the amount of warmth it will provide is negligible.  Any serious backpacker will tell you what a shitty idea bugging out is (unless you are moving to a location that is safer and well prepped).

Watch that series “Alone”.   That is essentially what bugging out and living off the land would be.  Beat in mind they were dropped off and didn’t have to hike in to those locations.  Those contestants have good survival skills and usually last only 60 days.   The ones who last longer and win are starving by the end of it, and their gear has started to degrade.

I watched one - a guy from Alaska who is built like a brick shithouse, made a solid shelter, killed a musk ox, and he was still starting to starve by the end of the contest.  He simply couldn’t get the nutrients and energy he needed.  They had all resorted to eating things like the stomach contents of animals in an effort to get the nutrients they needed.  The ones who were injured or got parasites were even more fucked.  

Bugging out is a fantasy that gear queers like to play out  thinking all the military surplus and gun shit they bought will save them in some apocalypse as they hike over mountains to safety.  You will just die a slow death if someone or something doesn’t kill you first.

Great books. Just was taking about him today and how he was way ahead of the times

I don't live in an urban area.....

Good luck in your suburbs, don't bother trying to come out in the country. We'll have the local roads blocked off so anyone raiding for food will have to come on foot thru open fields.

Add in a ton of Coyote hunters with thermals waiting for them.

Lol.  

The locals are aware of your bug out location and will get to it before you do.  Free gear and supplies.

I know the shopping locations in my area.

Bugging out is mental masturbation.

I'm bugging in.  

There are very few things that could get me and my family to leave home.

Far burbs are nice...because if I DO have to leave, it is far easier for me to get to the country side than folks in the city.   I'm kinda already there.  But going to the county side is stupid if I have no place to go.  It is more like getting away from the gridlock to find a hotel (or go to family) away from the situation at hand.

Yeah, he's not worth arguing with on this subject.  He's building up excuses more than anything else.

Yup.

Me, my sister, my brother and my parents all live on the family farm.  Our homes are strategically located that the other three can provide fire support for the fourth.

We have heavy machinery and have knowledge and a plan for creating fortifications and cutting the roads leading to our property.  

We will have two dozen or more people on hand for chores and defense.

I’m staying put.
Imagine an entire nation bugging out people tripping over each other thinking they will survive off the land.   There are a few places that’s possible maybe.
  It will be hard enough to try to defend my land I’m familiar with.  Running around with limited supplies is suicidal unless you have a very good reason and plan.

This is a good point; I have two bugout locations, my preferred one being my place on the coast, stocked, easy fishing within a short walk, with a water distillation setup, on the other side of a bridge, which makes an excellent choke point/roadblock location for the island. But if I'm not already there, or at least ahead of any surge in that direction, I'm not getting there even with documentation showing ownership IMO.

So if one has a viable BOL, you gotta get there well before whatever is about to happen, happens.

I’d monitor the nets and sail nonstop and as far from land as possible to the most remote area you could find.  

I had several months of food, gear/supplies/equipment and guns and ammo ready to roll on to my boat. Ham radios, sat phones, Starlink, guns, ammo, thermal, night vision, fishing gear, solar, storm sails, ground tackle, etc..  Electric cooking so no need for propane.  Fully self contained.  The only thing missing was the Barrett M82 but the truth is I’d rather be where my adult kids and nearby network of friends are on the 200 acre family farm in a SHTF scenario so it was a last resort and the whole leaving early advantage would have been lost.  

I wasn't planning on it, but honestly, this makes no sense.
Are you manning road blocks 24 hours a day for weeks on end?
For folks that are meeting family in the county (pre-determined plan), or have land there, are you blocking them out by setting up a road-block on a public road?  Better be careful with who you try that with as it seems like a really good way to get yourself unnecessarily deaded really early in this conflict.  

Are you ready to shoot on sight to to defend that road block?



Rule #1 in SHTF, avoid confrontation.

Watched the entire vid. He mentioned water filtration once. Cool guns tho.