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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:49:24 AM EDT
Years of e-mails and complaints, and the school administrators falsely claim that "there is no creditable evidence that bullying was involved in her death".
http://www.wcpo.com/longform/emilie-olsen-uncovered-evidence-shows-bullying-was-factor-in-13-year-old-suicide |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:50:55 AM EDT
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:54:21 AM EDT
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. We are talking about 13 year old. 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:54:48 AM EDT
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. It comes down to this. Cyberbullying is an enormous hunk of shit. I won't post Tyler the Creators' Twitter update meme regarding it, but it is very spot-on. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:55:51 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:57:59 AM EDT
[#5]
The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:59:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are talking about 13 year old. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. We are talking about 13 year old. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:59:46 AM EDT
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First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. I was bullied at that age, I wonder why Im still around? 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:59:47 AM EDT
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If suicide were a predictable response to bullying there'd be a lot more teen and adolescent suicides.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:00:44 PM EDT
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Really sad, but there have ALWAYS been bullies. Back in the day you were getting physically pushed around.
Never had anyone kill themselves over it. Now, mere words on a computer push kids over the edge. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:01:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Schools loudly and aggressively take the authority here, but then refuse to take any responsibilities. They should not be allowed to have it both ways. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:02:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really sad, but there have ALWAYS been bullies. Back in the day you were getting physically pushed around. Never had anyone kill themselves over it. Now, mere words on a computer push kids over the edge. Back in the day, you punched the bully in the face and that was the end of it. Today, the bully is protected from retaliation by the school, yet never punished. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. I am of two minds on the issue, but having worked as a School Resource Officer for a number of years, I am leaning towards agreeing with you on this. -K |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:03:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Also agree with this. -K |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:05:00 PM EDT
[#14]
bullying is not the causative agent in teen suicides.
end of story. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:06:44 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:08:55 PM EDT
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bullying is not the causative agent in teen suicides. end of story. concur Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:09:02 PM EDT
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Also agree with this. -K Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Also agree with this. -K This is really the answer. We had our fights and it was over. Now, they follow every Twitter/FB comment like it was gospel and get so twisted up over it the kids just give up. Such a waste of young life. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:09:05 PM EDT
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At 13 she should've known better. Shame on her parents for not teaching her to stand up for herself. The parents expected the school to protect their child. After the first non-response by the school when the child was in the sixth grade the parents should have realized they were on their own and taken a different approach to the problem. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:09:57 PM EDT
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The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. And punishes those who intervene to help out... |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:12:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Schools loudly and aggressively take the authority here, but then refuse to take any responsibilities. They should not be allowed to have it both ways. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Schools loudly and aggressively take the authority here, but then refuse to take any responsibilities. They should not be allowed to have it both ways. YUP. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:16:09 PM EDT
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The person who pulled the trigger killed her no one else.
School is not there to raise your kids. If you have to fault someone beside the victim look to the parents of all involved. Her Parents knew there was a problem and limited response allowed conditions to persist, all parents, bullies and victims are at fault. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:16:39 PM EDT
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. yes and no. people can be driven to extreme acts. If you feel you are cornered with no way out, you are faced with fight or flight. sometimes if the "flight" instinct is the one that kicks in, but there is no flight possible, you make bad decisions. Suicide is the worst choice possible. But if none of the authority figures provide relief, what were this girl's options? (I would have chosen fight, but that's me) The school's with their bullshit policies are to blame for a lot of this. suicides were lower back when you were allowed to stand up for yourself. Bullies have learned how to game the system so they are effective without raising it to the level where the schools will act. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:16:50 PM EDT
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First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Wrong. Coddling kids and zero tolerance does more damage. Bullies have been around since Goliath took one in the face. It's a no different now. Suicide has been around forever, too. This isn't some new phenomenon. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:16:55 PM EDT
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How about blocking social media sites on your kid's computers/phones
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:17:12 PM EDT
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Whole lotta wtf in that report. I see this as a failure on the part of the girl's parents. If something like that happened to my kid I'm not gonna stop at letter writing. I'm gonna go to the school and raise some fucking Cain. That's before I end up at the kids house doing the same with them and their family. And if he was so fucking worried that the bullying could lead to something worse then why didn't he secure his fucking weapon? My kids are happy and healthy and I still keep my guns secured. I'm also betting this girl chose to align herself with the "alternate" lifestyle and that's where the bullying originated from. An Instagram site saying she's gay, she, herself, saying she thinks people look at her like she's a freak, no pictures of her with a boyfriend. Betting she was an emotional head case and a whole lotta kids zeroed in on it. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:17:24 PM EDT
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If suicide were a predictable response to bullying there'd be a lot more teen and adolescent suicides. the numbers are increasing, not decreasing. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:17:53 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:18:04 PM EDT
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Really sad, but there have ALWAYS been bullies. Back in the day you were getting physically pushed around. Never had anyone kill themselves over it. Now, mere words on a computer push kids over the edge. back in the day you were expected to stand up for yourself. Today YOU get punished for doing so. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:18:14 PM EDT
[#29]
Sad that she took her own life. I'll leave it at that.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:19:37 PM EDT
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Wrong. Coddling kids and zero tolerance does more damage. Bullies have been around since Goliath took one in the face. It's a no different now. Suicide has been around forever, too. This isn't some new phenomenon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Wrong. Coddling kids and zero tolerance does more damage. Bullies have been around since Goliath took one in the face. It's a no different now. Suicide has been around forever, too. This isn't some new phenomenon. this is what drives the suicides. Back in the day, bullies were taken care of. Now you get in trouble for standing up for yourself. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:20:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Thank God for everyone that ever bullied me and everyone that taught me that not everyone gets a trophy <<< not kidding.
It's because of you I'm as driven and as successful as I am. Many fucks be upon those who complain about "bullying" and blame it for the actions/choices of others. You're the reason our society -- and millennials in particular -- are so fucked. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:20:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yes and no. people can be driven to extreme acts. If you feel you are cornered with no way out, you are faced with fight or flight. sometimes if the "flight" instinct is the one that kicks in, but there is no flight possible, you make bad decisions. Suicide is the worst choice possible. But if none of the authority figures provide relief, what were this girl's options? (I would have chosen fight, but that's me) The school's with their bullshit policies are to blame for a lot of this. suicides were lower back when you were allowed to stand up for yourself. Bullies have learned how to game the system so they are effective without raising it to the level where the schools will act. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. yes and no. people can be driven to extreme acts. If you feel you are cornered with no way out, you are faced with fight or flight. sometimes if the "flight" instinct is the one that kicks in, but there is no flight possible, you make bad decisions. Suicide is the worst choice possible. But if none of the authority figures provide relief, what were this girl's options? (I would have chosen fight, but that's me) The school's with their bullshit policies are to blame for a lot of this. suicides were lower back when you were allowed to stand up for yourself. Bullies have learned how to game the system so they are effective without raising it to the level where the schools will act. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:21:49 PM EDT
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I have told both my daughters to report bullying and if it doesn't stop put the bully down with a sucker punch. The sucker punch was one of the best thing in learned in school.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. I agree, I am so tired of the cupcake mentality! Edit: Just read the article. For those that want to say that it is a lot different time than when we were kids. I understand that it is a huge problem but just take your child off of Facebook, social media and the internet for that matter. They don't need it to live! I see it as parents who either don't want to be parents (i.e. don't time the time to be a parent) or just don't care! If my child was being bullied or harmed in some way, I would do everything that I personally do to protect them. If you are concerned about your child's safety, then remove them from whatever is causing the concern. IMO, their child's suicide is on them, not on the school system. We have become such a nanny-state! |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:24:22 PM EDT
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How does that change anything. She took actions that deliberately ended her own life. It was a poor choice, she obviously needed help from someone else. But in the end, it's on her. It's unfortunate her parents/guardians weren't aware of the issue and then stepped in to get her help. It's still on her. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. We are talking about 13 year old. Yes and no. Bullies that never let up and pursue their victims in real life and on-line can really screw with someone's head particularly someone in their teens. Best medicine is an beating for the bully. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:29:34 PM EDT
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. This. Don't expect the schools to solve your problems. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:29:45 PM EDT
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When I was 13 I was bullied, then I kicked him in the face.
Then he stopped being an asshole, and we were friends. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:30:24 PM EDT
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First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. First post fails! Bullying is very real and the harm that it does is incalculable. Maybe if she was 25 you'd have a point, but at 13 everyone is going through enormous amounts of internal bullshit. Millennial |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:31:06 PM EDT
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This. Schools loudly and aggressively take the authority here, but then refuse to take any responsibilities. They should not be allowed to have it both ways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Schools loudly and aggressively take the authority here, but then refuse to take any responsibilities. They should not be allowed to have it both ways. Yeah. When I was bullied in Middle School the school refused to do anything. They even made excuses for the kid. But they wouldn't take any action to stop it or protect me. When I finally decided to fight back when physically attacked, and won, I got three days in-school. All the school wants to do is protect themselves from lawsuits while trying to take the place of parents. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:31:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is really the answer. We had our fights and it was over. Now, they follow every Twitter/FB comment like it was gospel and get so twisted up over it the kids just give up. Such a waste of young life. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Also agree with this. -K This is really the answer. We had our fights and it was over. Now, they follow every Twitter/FB comment like it was gospel and get so twisted up over it the kids just give up. Such a waste of young life. Generally, yes. But now, with all the bullshit zero tolerance policies, the if the victim chooses not to be a punching bag and maybe even pushes or hits back, they get in trouble just like the aggressor. In many cases, the school even wants arrests. I was bullied in school myself. It sucked. What sucked even more is that I was a 'good' kid, who always tried to do the 'right' thing and go to the teacher, guidance counselor, or principal. Because that's what they told us to do and I didn't want to get in trouble. Naturally, that just resulted in me getting bullied worse and no consequences for the bully. I reached the point where I didn't care anymore and actually stuck up for myself and fought with the kid in the hallway. Of course, I was punished just as much as the other kid. But I never got picked on again, ever. Lesson learned. But I never had an opportunity to apply my newfound wisdom because all my troubles were over at that point. I also gained a healthy contempt for the school administration from then on. -K |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:32:28 PM EDT
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yes and no. people can be driven to extreme acts. If you feel you are cornered with no way out, you are faced with fight or flight. sometimes if the "flight" instinct is the one that kicks in, but there is no flight possible, you make bad decisions. Suicide is the worst choice possible. But if none of the authority figures provide relief, what were this girl's options? (I would have chosen fight, but that's me) The school's with their bullshit policies are to blame for a lot of this. suicides were lower back when you were allowed to stand up for yourself. Bullies have learned how to game the system so they are effective without raising it to the level where the schools will act. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. yes and no. people can be driven to extreme acts. If you feel you are cornered with no way out, you are faced with fight or flight. sometimes if the "flight" instinct is the one that kicks in, but there is no flight possible, you make bad decisions. Suicide is the worst choice possible. But if none of the authority figures provide relief, what were this girl's options? (I would have chosen fight, but that's me) The school's with their bullshit policies are to blame for a lot of this. suicides were lower back when you were allowed to stand up for yourself. Bullies have learned how to game the system so they are effective without raising it to the level where the schools will act. So society was better when women and liberals didnt have so much power? You dont say. 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:32:54 PM EDT
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It comes down to this. Cyberbullying is an enormous hunk of shit. I won't post Tyler the Creators' Twitter update meme regarding it, but it is very spot-on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. It comes down to this. Cyberbullying is an enormous hunk of shit. I won't post Tyler the Creators' Twitter update meme regarding it, but it is very spot-on. That guy is a douche but... link to said image? Found it. Basically says "just walk away from the computer". Rather simplistic solution, and doesn't help when people are laughing about it in real life. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:33:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes and no. Bullies that never let up and pursue their victims in real life and on-line can really screw with someone's head particularly someone in their teens. Best medicine is an beating for the bully. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. We are talking about 13 year old. Yes and no. Bullies that never let up and pursue their victims in real life and on-line can really screw with someone's head particularly someone in their teens. Best medicine is an beating for the bully. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:34:04 PM EDT
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. ........... |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:34:56 PM EDT
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Really sad, but there have ALWAYS been bullies. Back in the day you were getting physically pushed around. Never had anyone kill themselves over it. Now, mere words on a computer push kids over the edge. This.. the pussification of our culture is what is killing kids. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:38:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullying is wrong. Kids shouldn't do it. My only point is that suicide is an individuals action they took. In the end, they hold the blame for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. We are talking about 13 year old. Yes and no. Bullies that never let up and pursue their victims in real life and on-line can really screw with someone's head particularly someone in their teens. Best medicine is an beating for the bully. And in this case, the parents. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:39:30 PM EDT
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The result of a society that prevents and discourages kids from resolving conflict on their own. Very much this. I was bullied a lot in school. However I was able to end a majority of it by handing out a black eye or two. Some times I was the one to receive a black eye. But damn it,. Once you show them you will stand up for your self they will usually back down and stop. Now the assholes in society and schools will punish the bullied for standing up for them selves. 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:39:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the numbers are increasing, not decreasing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If suicide were a predictable response to bullying there'd be a lot more teen and adolescent suicides. the numbers are increasing, not decreasing. That could mean that there's more bullying, but that could also mean kids are becoming less and less capable of protecting/defending/standing up for themselves. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:45:22 PM EDT
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When I was in Junior High there was a fat kid tat was incessantly picked on. Not a day went by without this kid being tormented by the other kids. Kidswould ask him what size bra he wore, if he could see his dick etc, right in front of teachers who did nothing about it. He eventually had enough and decided to he was going to stop the teasing on his own. Ended up getting his ass kicked, and once the suspensions from that were over, it was even worse for him. I totally understand how some kids snap and go to school with a gun after witnessing that.
It's not like movies where the bully finally gets his ass handed to him and the kid getting picked on walks out of the school a triumphant hero. Sometimes it's the school's responsibility to stop the bullshit some kids have to put up with. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:52:59 PM EDT
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Bullying doesn't kill anyone. People choose to end their own life and that's on them. Bullsh*t. Children are jackals... And some kids have a hard time dealing with it. Don't absolve the kids tormentors of their contribution to the situation. And just by-the-way... the traditional methods of dealing with a bully will now get you expelled or arrested. |
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