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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:41:13 PM EDT

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

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WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:41:43 PM EDT

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This isn’t my line in the sand.

It’s my line etched in stone.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:42:21 PM EDT

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Not legal to add them; the Hughes Amendment is very clear, and there is plenty of case law precedent on the subject (see Nolo's Harris V Lynch/Holder case for the most recent example)

All they can do is make them contraband, ie "we're taking them because we said so"

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The AG can declare an Amnesty. He may or may not be able to declare a limited Amnesty.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:43:11 PM EDT

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Voting for the lesser of two evils has brought us to this, all while supplying a prima facie endorsement of this charade of a system.

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It is the only option, so what is your point? You going to over throw the government and force change? If not then you are just screaming at the sky.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:43:14 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:44:00 PM EDT

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WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

You just don’t understand, it’s anyone’s fault except the Kings.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:44:54 PM EDT

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All you "don't comply" guys are totally full of shit. You'll comply, for the exact same reason you don't own other illegal weapons.

Yes someone will sue, and lose... because the .gov's justification for banning bump stocks is identical to their regulating/outlawing full-auto.

"Just compensation " may be a problem for their plan though. But easily fixed.

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Wrong.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:45:26 PM EDT

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Well if we have to have it, I would rather it be by an EO that has been shown in the last two years to be pretty easy to overturn with this president, might as well use the same tactics as the left has been using against shit they don't like.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:45:36 PM EDT

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And vote for a gun control President jackwagon like Trump?

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As opposed to an anti-gun control Jackwagon President like Hitlery would have been?

Seriously?

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:45:57 PM EDT

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You just don't understand, it's anyone's fault except the Kings.

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

You just don't understand, it's anyone's fault except the Kings.

Some people still want to believe that. I thought that issue was settled earlier this year when Trump called a press conference to brag about the memo he wrote to Jeff Sessions ordering him to ban bump stocks. Trump used Executive Action to push for gun control just like Obama and Clinton did.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:46:44 PM EDT

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I'd argue binary triggers are first; the definition in the reg fits them more accurately than it does bump stocks. I can see a court dismissing a bump stock prosecution for simply not applying to the written rule (even if the words "bump stock" are used a lot), but a binary trigger very clearly fires two shots "per pull" which is what the DOJ has re-written congress' law to be.

Hopefully we get a sane or even insane-but-Trump-paranoid judge to see that law-re-writing for the abuse of authority it is, and dismiss this shit with prejudice & a firm reprimand to the man in the White House himself to not try to pull this shit again.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:47:32 PM EDT

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It is the only option, so what is your point? You going to over throw the government and force change? If not then you are just screaming at the sky.

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Voting for the lesser of two evils has brought us to this, all while supplying a prima facie endorsement of this charade of a system.

It is the only option, so what is your point? You going to over throw the government and force change? If not then you are just screaming at the sky.

He is right. Voting the lesser of two evils(who the tube tells us to vote for) has been nothing but a disaster for the American people and their freedoms. Why people continue to vote for one of two people the tube tells them to vote for us beyond all coherent logic.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:48:12 PM EDT

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WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

I'll call bullshit on that. The NRA sold us out on this, but that's kind of their mission IMO. They can't gain power and money for their retirement funds if we don't have someone pushing for gun control and some losses. The NRA gave all the people who wanted to ban them cover w/ their statement and it happened quick in FL.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:48:42 PM EDT

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As opposed to an anti-gun control Jackwagon President like Hitlery would have been?

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And vote for a gun control President jackwagon like Trump?

As opposed to an anti-gun control Jackwagon President like Hitlery would have been?

Seriously?

Exactly. I cannot understand how people on this site get so bitter over someone who is semi-pro gun to the point that they will not participate and let someone 100% anti-gun win. The answer to a Republican pushing a bump stock ban is not electing Democrats who are chomping at the bit to ban everything else.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:48:45 PM EDT

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LOL because 0.001% of gun owners can no longer possess a plastic gimmick? In the grand scheme of an election, this won't even register as something bad.

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Trump is finished. Fuck him.

LOL because 0.001% of gun owners can no longer possess a plastic gimmick? In the grand scheme of an election, this won't even register as something bad.

Truth. Lots of gun owners didn’t give a fuck about his previous anti gun behavior when they voted for him in the primaries, don’t know why y’all think a bump stock ban is going to change that now.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:48:52 PM EDT

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Some people still want to believe that. I thought that issue was settled earlier this year when Trump called a press conference to brag about the memo he wrote to Jeff Sessions ordering him to ban bump stocks. Trump used Executive Action to push for gun control just like Obama and Clinton did.

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

You just don't understand, it's anyone's fault except the Kings.

Some people still want to believe that. I thought that issue was settled earlier this year when Trump called a press conference to brag about the memo he wrote to Jeff Sessions ordering him to ban bump stocks. Trump used Executive Action to push for gun control just like Obama and Clinton did.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:49:01 PM EDT

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You will not take our firearms
Bump stocks are now firearms
Mr and Mrs America, Turn in your bumpstocks now
Your other firearms, well you will turn them in at a later date.

Not a slippery slope.
It’s a cliff.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:49:23 PM EDT

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WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

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False. When i contacted them their opinion was that they believed they should be regulated more.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:49:31 PM EDT

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

Let's be realistic and not totally whitewash the NRA in this.

Initially they came out with tepid and lightly worded support for a ban. Then a couple days later after the membership rightly flipped their shit did they send Dana Loesch onto TV and in the press to say they in no way supported banning them.

They're not completely innocent in this but they're definitely not the evil puppet masters that made Trump do it like some folks want people to believe.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:50:21 PM EDT

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I don’t think I was into firearms like I am now with the 10/22 stock thing. As long as it didn’t assist in resetting anything with the trigger it should be fine.

We shouldn’t even be having this conversation as we should all be owning three position safety selector firearms. When Trump does this, he is driving a

wooden stake into his own heart with me. I voted Cruz, but fully got on the train. I hope I’m not going to be asking for a fucking refund. “Hillary would

have been worse”? Yup, but at least my enemy has the balls to tell me he/she plans on fucking me instead of patting me on the back while it gets shoved

up my ass. I’d rather have a known enemy at this point than some wish washy piece of shit. If the “Grand Experiment” is indeed over, we need to move

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The 10/22 accelerator stock was basically a bump fire stock that the receiver and barrel sat in.

A spring was used inside the stock to reset the trigger, it was a bump stock just with a spring.

ATF decided the spring was the MG, and asked the manufacturer for a list of people who bought tgem, they had a certain amount of time to turn them in.

Point is, ATF gets touchy about all this shit
Pistol braces too.

If you any of you remember the shooting in San Francisco at 101 California street in the 90's the murderer used a hell fire trigger and black rhino ammo, they made a big deal about it.

Even the gun shops in the Bay Area stopped selling black rhino ammo and hell fire trigger adapters.

People were mostly dismissive about it.

Nobody seemed to care, until......

The AWB in 2000 in CA.

We lost just about every semi auto out there.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:50:35 PM EDT

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If anybody is considering giving them up, send me one

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:50:52 PM EDT

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Let's be realistic and not totally whitewash the NRA in this.

Initially they came out with tepid and lightly worded support for a ban. Then a couple days later after the membership rightly flipped their shit did they send Dana Loesch onto TV and in the press to say they in no way supported banning them.

They're not completely innocent in this but they're definitely not the evil puppet masters that made Trump do it like some folks want people to believe.

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

Let's be realistic and not totally whitewash the NRA in this.

Initially they came out with tepid and lightly worded support for a ban. Then a couple days later after the membership rightly flipped their shit did they send Dana Loesch onto TV and in the press to say they in no way supported banning them.

They're not completely innocent in this but they're definitely not the evil puppet masters that made Trump do it like some folks want people to believe.

This is the way I see it.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:51:31 PM EDT

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"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."

Boom.....It was a done deal on 11/5/17 when the NRA released that statement after Vegas. The NRA water-carriers here can whine to the contrary all they will but anyone honest knows it to be true.

When the "premier" pro-2A .org stuck that bug into Trump's ear that bump-stocks should be subject to additional regulations I really don't know what you expected to happen. In fact I surprised it took a year.

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CORRECT

The wheels were set into motion once the NRA released this statement, and the mental gymnastics and semantics used to spin this as anything but is laughable.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:52:16 PM EDT

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You're right, because the gun the bumpstock attaches to would probably already be banned with Hillary in office, and they'd have the supreme court majority to pull it off. Derp.

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President Trump got my vote for that reason alone... so far, it's paid off. We'll see how the rest goes, but I'm pretty sure no one will care much about bumpstocks if (for example) national permitless carry became law, state-level AWBs were all struck down, etc.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:52:34 PM EDT

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He is right. Voting the lesser of two evils(who the tube tells us to vote for) has been nothing but a disaster for the American people and their freedoms. Why people continue to vote for one of two people the tube tells them to vote for us beyond all coherent logic.

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Voting for the lesser of two evils has brought us to this, all while supplying a prima facie endorsement of this charade of a system.

It is the only option, so what is your point? You going to over throw the government and force change? If not then you are just screaming at the sky.

He is right. Voting the lesser of two evils(who the tube tells us to vote for) has been nothing but a disaster for the American people and their freedoms. Why people continue to vote for one of two people the tube tells them to vote for us beyond all coherent logic.

Name another option. There is none. We don't have dozens of people competing in the primaries for the elected official jobs. At best we get a couple so-so candidates and then one is chosen to represent our side. That one choice is the best and only hope that we have. There are no other options, other than not participating and letting the Democrats win.

People should be voting in the primary to pick better candidates...but only 25% of voters bother to show up. That is why we have terrible candidate choices.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:52:39 PM EDT

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

Let's be realistic and not totally whitewash the NRA in this.

Initially they came out with tepid and lightly worded support for a ban. Then a couple days later after the membership rightly flipped their shit did they send Dana Loesch onto TV and in the press to say they in no way supported banning them.

They're not completely innocent in this but they're definitely not the evil puppet masters that made Trump do it like some folks want people to believe.

This is the way I see it.

Yep. They stepped on their dicks but at least came to their senses.

Let’s hope Trump does the same.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:53:19 PM EDT

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"When you get angry enough, grab your rifle and run outside. If you're the only one there, it's not time yet. "

The two party system is really working out well for gun owners ain't it?

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:53:19 PM EDT

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I plan on trolling the ATF daily, with now I have a machine gun meme's, when that law goes into effect. Of course I will have properly disposed of my bumpstocks beforehand.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:53:34 PM EDT

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The AG can declare an Amnesty. He may or may not be able to declare a limited Amnesty.

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And have you written AG Whitaker any letters, yet? I have. Might as well try...

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:53:37 PM EDT

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Why you hate the 5th Amendment, bro?

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:54:32 PM EDT

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You can and should separate the two. No politician does everything right. That's reality. We have a two party system. Another reality. If Trump is the incumbent in 2020, then it will be Trump vs the Liberal dream candidate. Who will do much, much worse than banning a plastic accessory that 95% of Arfcom thought was useless bullshit until a year ago.

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You can’t separate the two.
A vote for him is support of his actions.
You may wish he hadn’t done something but you damn sure plan on supporting him doing it.

You can and should separate the two. No politician does everything right. That's reality. We have a two party system. Another reality. If Trump is the incumbent in 2020, then it will be Trump vs the Liberal dream candidate. Who will do much, much worse than banning a plastic accessory that 95% of Arfcom thought was useless bullshit until a year ago.

No you can’t. A vote for a person is the most direct form of support. Why do you have to lie to yourself to defend your own actions?
You mean like Obama? What did he actually accomplish? See your problem is that republicans only support the second amendment when they don’t actually have the power to pass laws, once they gain that power they fuck us.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:54:44 PM EDT

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An EO to confiscate a firearm accessory? Yea... thats not how that works.. at all..

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:54:56 PM EDT

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Has it been clarified if any provisions were made for registering Bump Stocks with an ATF Form 1? Rolling out the eForms just prior is convenient.

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They've been glass-clear on this for months, now; there will be no grandfathering, amnesty, or registration. They are contraband. PERIOD. The grace period is simply to keep literal millions of felonies from overwhelming the system at once, as will be the likely sluggish enforcement of this edict until it's had time to fester on the books can be cemented with a sufficiently unsympathetic test case in the courts.

I know you guys desperately want to believe there is something reasonable or acceptable about this situation, but there is not. The feds have declared these things to be firearms, they have declared that they must be turned in or the possessors will risk their lives.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:55:24 PM EDT

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Let's be realistic and not totally whitewash the NRA in this.

Initially they came out with tepid and lightly worded support for a ban. Then a couple days later after the membership rightly flipped their shit did they send Dana Loesch onto TV and in the press to say they in no way supported banning them.

They're not completely innocent in this but they're definitely not the evil puppet masters that made Trump do it like some folks want people to believe.

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

Let's be realistic and not totally whitewash the NRA in this.

Initially they came out with tepid and lightly worded support for a ban. Then a couple days later after the membership rightly flipped their shit did they send Dana Loesch onto TV and in the press to say they in no way supported banning them.

They're not completely innocent in this but they're definitely not the evil puppet masters that made Trump do it like some folks want people to believe.

I don't see them as evil puppet masters. I see them as completely corrupt swamp creatures. IMO they make no attempt to protect and expand our rights. They are out to protect and expand their power and bank accounts. They do this w/ small losses.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:55:42 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/29/2018 1:56:08 PM EDT

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At this point we should have voted Obama for a third term. He was more pro gun than trump and our gun rights were safer with him in control. Sad to say that.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:58:20 PM EDT

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You're right, because the gun the bumpstock attaches to would probably already be banned with Hillary in office, and they'd have the supreme court majority to pull it off. Derp.

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Ah, the old "It Could Be Worse" program!

You've studied the art of Demotivational Management well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdU9v5nLKQ

It's true. Put us in the exact same situation but two years into a Hillary term, with 2 new Lib justices and a Democrat house. And try to honestly say we'd be better off.

Well for one thing I wouldn’t be risking a felony and several years in prison for a piece of plastic.
Tell me, a decade or so from now (when I hopefully get out) what will be left of trumps accomplishments to make it worth it?

You're right, because the gun the bumpstock attaches to would probably already be banned with Hillary in office, and they'd have the supreme court majority to pull it off. Derp.

Wrong, 8 years of Obama proved that.
As for the courts let me know when they stop fucking us.

Posted: 11/29/2018 1:59:38 PM EDT

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I'll call bullshit on that. The NRA sold us out on this, but that's kind of their mission IMO. They can't gain power and money for their retirement funds if we don't have someone pushing for gun control and some losses. The NRA gave all the people who wanted to ban them cover w/ their statement and it happened quick in FL.

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

I'll call bullshit on that. The NRA sold us out on this, but that's kind of their mission IMO. They can't gain power and money for their retirement funds if we don't have someone pushing for gun control and some losses. The NRA gave all the people who wanted to ban them cover w/ their statement and it happened quick in FL.

You can call bullshit but you are still WRONG. You must be one of the people that believe the anti-gunners will just give up and go away at some point. They will never give up, even if they pushed a complete ban gun ownership then they would be coming for knives just like they did in England.

I documented the events and timeline well in this thread. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Paul-Ryan-and-GOP-were-on-track-to-ban-bump-stocks-until-the-NRA-comment-Headlines-show-this-/5-2080801/

It shows increasing support from Republicans for a legislative ban for several days, the NRA made their statement, and the legislative ban disappeared from the headlines.

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:00:21 PM EDT

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

They did a piss poor job of saying that.
When do they plan on challenging the state laws?

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:00:22 PM EDT

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No you can’t. A vote for a person is the most direct form of support. Why do you have to lie to yourself to defend your own actions?
You mean like Obama? What did he actually accomplish? See your problem is that republicans only support the second amendment when they don’t actually have the power to pass laws, once they gain that power they fuck us.

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I'm not lying to myself to defend my actions. lol. What do I have to defend? In a two party system, I vote Republican because I abhor everything the Democrats stand for. Period. I'm not ever going to apologize for that. Even if I disagree with a lot of things Republicans do, the alternative is worse. And pretending otherwise is meaningless dribble because this is the system we have right now and nobody is seeking to change that.

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:00:56 PM EDT

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No serial numbers = How?

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:00:58 PM EDT

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False. When i contacted them their opinion was that they believed they should be regulated more.

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WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

False. When i contacted them their opinion was that they believed they should be regulated more.

Regulate more would still mean you get to keep them. Trump is pushing for an out right ban. The NRA made multiple statements that they did not support a ban.

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:01:02 PM EDT

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They've been glass-clear on this for months, now; there will be no grandfathering, amnesty, or registration. They are contraband. PERIOD. The grace period is simply to keep literal millions of felonies from overwhelming the system at once, as will be the likely sluggish enforcement of this edict until it's had time to fester on the books can be cemented with a sufficiently unsympathetic test case in the courts.

I know you guys desperately want to believe there is something reasonable or acceptable about this situation, but there is not. The feds have declared these things to be firearms, they have declared that they must be turned in or the possessors will risk their lives.

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Seems like you've got your head on straight about this. I'm not sure why anyone has trouble understanding this, either.

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:01:14 PM EDT

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Name another option. There is none. We don't have dozens of people competing in the primaries for the elected official jobs. At best we get a couple so-so candidates and then one is chosen to represent our side. That one choice is the best and only hope that we have. There are no other options, other than not participating and letting the Democrats win.

People should be voting in the primary to pick better candidates...but only 25% of voters bother to show up. That is why we have terrible candidate choices.

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The Demo-Republicrats have already won. Voting doesn't matter. If voting mattered, you would see the erosion of freedom reversed. You have not seen one inch of it reversed. You will not see one inch of it reversed. EVER.

Voting is a way to keep you from rising up and attacking the scumbags that rule over you. That's the game. Incrementalism by your fellow man until you have nothing left.

Believing otherwise is a fools errand.

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:01:19 PM EDT

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No you can’t. A vote for a person is the most direct form of support. Why do you have to lie to yourself to defend your own actions?
You mean like Obama? What did he actually accomplish? See your problem is that republicans only support the second amendment when they don’t actually have the power to pass laws, once they gain that power they fuck us.

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You can’t separate the two.
A vote for him is support of his actions.
You may wish he hadn’t done something but you damn sure plan on supporting him doing it.

You can and should separate the two. No politician does everything right. That's reality. We have a two party system. Another reality. If Trump is the incumbent in 2020, then it will be Trump vs the Liberal dream candidate. Who will do much, much worse than banning a plastic accessory that 95% of Arfcom thought was useless bullshit until a year ago.

No you can’t. A vote for a person is the most direct form of support. Why do you have to lie to yourself to defend your own actions?
You mean like Obama? What did he actually accomplish? See your problem is that republicans only support the second amendment when they don’t actually have the power to pass laws, once they gain that power they fuck us.

To be fair, some of us didn't vote for Trump but rather against Clinton.

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:02:11 PM EDT

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Wrong, 8 years of Obama proved that.
As for the courts let me know when they stop fucking us.

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Supreme Court brought us Heller and McDonald, which were HUGE wins in our favor. Now imagine a supreme court dominated by Democrats and try to tell me i'm wrong again.

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:02:33 PM EDT

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Let's be realistic and not totally whitewash the NRA in this.

Initially they came out with tepid and lightly worded support for a ban. Then a couple days later after the membership rightly flipped their shit did they send Dana Loesch onto TV and in the press to say they in no way supported banning them.

They're not completely innocent in this but they're definitely not the evil puppet masters that made Trump do it like some folks want people to believe.

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Never mind.

Posted: 11/29/2018 2:02:36 PM EDT

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They did a piss poor job of saying that.
When do they plan on challenging the state laws?

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The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.

WRONG. The NRA opposed a ban from the start. The Republican legislators were pushing a ban which is why the NRA made the statement they did, to stop a complete ban. Trump then made it his personal mission to ban them.

They did a piss poor job of saying that.
When do they plan on challenging the state laws?

I don't have any links handy but they have been involved in challenging Florida's.