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Posted: 7/14/2017 1:22:46 PM EDT
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There was a C-130 from LRAFB that had a raft deploy and it got hung up on the left stab. I've seen the pics and knew the FE onboard when it happened. Here's an article for another "T" model that had it happen.
Raft Deploy Inflight |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 1:43:53 PM EDT
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Maj. Caine Michael Goyette, 41, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452
Capt. Sean E. Elliott, 30,with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 
Gunnery Sgt. Mark A. Hopkins, 34, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 
Gunnery Sgt. Brendan C. Johnson, 45, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 
Staff Sgt. Robert H. Cox, 28, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion 
Staff Sgt. William Kundrat, 33, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion 
Sgt. Chad Jenson, 25, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion 
Sgt. Julian M. Kevianne, 31, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 
Sgt. Talon Leach, 27, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion 
Sgt. Owen Lennon, 26, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 
Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class Ryan Lohrey, 30, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion 
Sgt. Joseph Murray, 26, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion 
Sgt. Dietrich Schmieman, 26, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion 
Sgt. Joshua M. Snowden, 31, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 
Cpl. Daniel Baldassare, 20, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 
Cpl. Collin J. Schaaff, 22, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 
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Posted: 7/14/2017 2:05:04 PM EDT
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Corpsman has a Purple Heart.
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Posted: 7/14/2017 3:46:12 PM EDT
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Kind of an odd question, but does anyone here know what time they took off from NKT? |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 4:35:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2017 6:15:40 PM EDT
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No such mechanism exists. The rafts bucket releases are connect via cable direct to two handles in the forward 245 of the cockpit and two above the aft toilet and one under a bird patch in each wing. And to disable any emergency equipment purposely outside of published norms would be grounds for being grounded and subject to disciplinary action. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I was a C130 pilot right now I would be having a conversation with my flight engineer about pulling the power supply or what ever powers the wing life rafts...if it was or has a breaker you can bet it would be disabled until I am doing my ditch checklist. And to disable any emergency equipment purposely outside of published norms would be grounds for being grounded and subject to disciplinary action. |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 6:33:30 PM EDT
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What's the score with that raft system?
1. Lives saved vs. lives lost. 2. Necessary deployment vs. accidental deployment. Overall, has It been an asset or a liability? |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 6:47:17 PM EDT
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I never understood the purpose of the wing liferafts on our C-141's. In reality, surviving a ditching was pretty slim.
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Posted: 7/14/2017 6:48:27 PM EDT
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What's the score with that raft system? 1. Lives saved vs. lives lost. 2. Necessary deployment vs. accidental deployment. Overall, has It been an asset or a liability? |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 6:53:52 PM EDT
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I never understood the purpose of the wing liferafts on our C-141's. In reality, surviving a ditching was pretty slim. |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 7:04:58 PM EDT
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Maj. Caine Michael Goyette, 41, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsfdzVWsAA6dwM.jpg Capt. Sean E. Elliott, 30,with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsfxklXgAARuJv.jpg Gunnery Sgt. Mark A. Hopkins, 34, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsgCfcXgAEyrOG.jpg Gunnery Sgt. Brendan C. Johnson, 45, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsgP22XkAAvavs.jpg Staff Sgt. Robert H. Cox, 28, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsgXd1XkAAzC5f.jpg Staff Sgt. William Kundrat, 33, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsgjBAW0AANjUx.jpg Sgt. Chad Jenson, 25, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsgsc9XsAAXEus.jpg Sgt. Julian M. Kevianne, 31, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsg2CSXcAAuCjY.jpg Sgt. Talon Leach, 27, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsg95NXUAEVPug.jpg Sgt. Owen Lennon, 26, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEshGR3XYAExXls.jpg Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class Ryan Lohrey, 30, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEshSH7WAAAOccx.jpg Sgt. Joseph Murray, 26, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEshdINXYAENYBG.jpg Sgt. Dietrich Schmieman, 26, with 2nd Marine Raider Battalion https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEshqTVWsAAp48c.jpg Sgt. Joshua M. Snowden, 31, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsiB8hXoAQ0CBj.jpg Cpl. Daniel Baldassare, 20, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsiQmTWAAEdva4.jpg Cpl. Collin J. Schaaff, 22, with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 452 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEsiVx1WAAAytVu.jpg |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 9:20:09 PM EDT
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 Tragedy on US 41 - The C 130 Plane Crash |
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Posted: 7/14/2017 11:29:27 PM EDT
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I'm very familiar with that accident. There is nothing common between these two however.
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Posted: 7/15/2017 10:34:14 AM EDT
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Both FACTS and Flight Safety (widely considered to be experts about this) teaches that 80% of ditching's are survivable. They're there for a reason... |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 10:52:13 AM EDT
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Rest in Peace Gentlemen.
Thank you for your Service to our great country. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 10:58:57 AM EDT
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If you say so. NATOPS had instructions on how to land between the waves..rofl. Easy shit..nightime, massive failures to where you have to ditch..yeah, ditch like this __________________. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 11:42:23 AM EDT
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We were all pretty content that with a turbo prop high wing aircraft that if we had to ditch in the water, that we'd all kiss our asses good bye. The guys in Kenya that shot their own aircraft down many survived the ditching because it was shallow water. NATOPS had instructions on how to land between the waves..rofl. Easy shit..nightime, massive failures to where you have to ditch..yeah, ditch like this __________________. to delay digging the nose into the swells" sounds fine and dandy sitting at a desk writing a manual...try it in the middle of the night somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic when shit is going wrong all around you. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 2:59:41 PM EDT
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That was pretty much the belief when I was flying. Ditching procedures in the book were almost laughable. "At touchdown, hold the nose off as long as possible to delay digging the nose into the swells" sounds fine and dandy sitting at a desk writing a manual...try it in the middle of the night somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic when shit is going wrong all around you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We were all pretty content that with a turbo prop high wing aircraft that if we had to ditch in the water, that we'd all kiss our asses good bye. The guys in Kenya that shot their own aircraft down many survived the ditching because it was shallow water. NATOPS had instructions on how to land between the waves..rofl. Easy shit..nightime, massive failures to where you have to ditch..yeah, ditch like this __________________. to delay digging the nose into the swells" sounds fine and dandy sitting at a desk writing a manual...try it in the middle of the night somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic when shit is going wrong all around you. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 3:20:28 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly, your type gets nervous landing anywhere without a golf course. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 3:23:04 PM EDT
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What did you do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I remember correctly, your type gets nervous landing anywhere without a golf course. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 3:24:22 PM EDT
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What did you do? |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 4:01:15 PM EDT
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What did you do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I remember correctly, your type gets nervous landing anywhere without a golf course. Here is my take: The whining about ditching procedures set me off. If you make it down to the waves, you are still aviating and you still have a chance. The chances may not be great, but you still have a chance. The training and procedures exist to maximize that chance. Making fun of those procedures is unprofessional and does not bring dignity or credit to the service. When I rode in the back, I had the utmost respect for and confidence in those up front driving the bird. I know what it is like to lose good friends flying. Please excuse my inter-service gig and let us keep this thread on track. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 7:30:03 PM EDT
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Corpsman has a Purple Heart. Very accomplished young man. Wonder if he was aiming for SEAL qual? I have no words to describe how looking at the photos of these brave men makes me feel.
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Posted: 7/15/2017 7:38:11 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly, your type gets nervous landing anywhere without a golf course. Apology made above. |
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Posted: 7/15/2017 7:39:31 PM EDT
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ETA: Disregard. Apology made above.
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Posted: 7/16/2017 11:16:05 AM EDT
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Yeah, and jump wings and a scuba badge too. Very accomplished young man. Wonder if he was aiming for SEAL qual? I have no words to describe how looking at the photos of these brave men makes me feel. |
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Posted: 7/16/2017 2:29:52 PM EDT
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No. He's a SARC which is a very prestigious job. If he wanted to be a SEAL I'm sure he would have been. His picture will forever be on the wall at the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Center as we do with all our fallen special operation medics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, and jump wings and a scuba badge too. Very accomplished young man. Wonder if he was aiming for SEAL qual? I have no words to describe how looking at the photos of these brave men makes me feel. |
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Posted: 7/16/2017 2:34:37 PM EDT
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Corpsman has a Purple Heart. |
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Posted: 7/16/2017 3:42:42 PM EDT
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I guess IDK what a SARC is, so hopefully a Navy guy can explain. Now as for What SARC stands for here you go Special Amphibious Reconnaissance Corpsman SARCs are trained and specialized in the same aspects of their Recon Marine and special operator counterparts: amphibious entry, deep recon and direct action. They are also capable of conducting detailed underwater ship-bottom searches. During operational status, the teams will then be dispersed evenly throughout the Marine recon platoons; usually one amphibious recon corpsman per platoon. SARCs have regularly acted as a point man, sharp shooter, radio operator, or even the team leader in the Marine recon teams/platoons. More recently, SARCs are being deployed with Marine Special Operations Command (MARSOC), Naval Special Warfare and Army Special Forces units due to their highly advanced skills in combat trauma care and diving medicine. Very Small Elite Medical team less than 200 Men 
Linky Holy shit are they well trained 
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Posted: 7/16/2017 3:58:44 PM EDT
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Now as for What SARC stands for here you go Special Amphibious Reconnaissance Corpsman SARCs are trained and specialized in the same aspects of their Recon Marine and special operator counterparts: amphibious entry, deep recon and direct action. They are also capable of conducting detailed underwater ship-bottom searches. During operational status, the teams will then be dispersed evenly throughout the Marine recon platoons; usually one amphibious recon corpsman per platoon. SARCs have regularly acted as a point man, sharp shooter, radio operator, or even the team leader in the Marine recon teams/platoons. More recently, SARCs are being deployed with Marine Special Operations Command (MARSOC), Naval Special Warfare and Army Special Forces units due to their highly advanced skills in combat trauma care and diving medicine. Very Small Elite Medical team less than 200 Men
Linky Holy shit are they well trained https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/US_Navy_SARC_Insignia.jpg/450px-US_Navy_SARC_Insignia.jpg |
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Posted: 7/16/2017 4:39:20 PM EDT
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IIRC, gold wings were earned after X amount of jump or a combat jump..the Corpsman helmet is gold, does that signify a combat dive or # of dives?
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Posted: 7/16/2017 4:55:13 PM EDT
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IIRC, gold wings were earned after X amount of jump or a combat jump..the Corpsman helmet is gold, does that signify a combat dive or # of dives? 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 1:51:39 AM EDT
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i All the time..the aircraft can do anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it common practice to use a 'tanker' for cargo duties and is it common practice for a tanker to carry passengers? Serious questions as I don't know and I'm curious. All the time..the aircraft can do anything. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1561888027165948&id=200588529962578 |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 8:18:07 AM EDT
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If anyone wants to see what a Herc looks like during an inflight refueling mission, here's a CBS11 reporter's 2011 video about doing a fam flight onboard a KC-130T, with VMGR-234 in Ft Worth: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1561888027165948&id=200588529962578 |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 11:40:20 PM EDT
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Has anyone heard/seen any new information?
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Posted: 7/24/2017 12:36:30 AM EDT
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The most important part was accomplished and everyone was found.
Can't/wouldn't/shouldn't say much else. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 12:58:52 AM EDT
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Has anyone heard/seen any new information? I think it will be quite some time before the Marines and Lockheed are willing to release anything. The 'cause' may truly never be known and if it is, it will have to be scrubbed 1000 times over for various reasons. |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 1:08:04 AM EDT
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God bless those brave men. RIP.
I did a double take on those photos. One of those men looks so much like my son Matt that he could be Matt's brother. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 1:34:31 PM EDT
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Lohrey's body is scheduled to arrive Thursday at Indianapolis International Airport around 5:45 p.m. with plans for people to line the procession starting at 7 p.m. A military funeral procession will then start at the Knightstown exit and travel through Lohrey's hometown of Middletown before arriving at a New Castle funeral home. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 1:50:38 PM EDT
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I've been keeping tabs with some old friends that were in and part of the community still and locally for Julian. I think it will be quite some time before the Marines and Lockheed are willing to release anything. The 'cause' may truly never be known and if it is, it will have to be scrubbed 1000 times over for various reasons. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 1:58:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/27/2017 8:38:12 PM EDT
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Looks like the Marines are grounding all the "T" models for a bit while the investigation continues.
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Posted: 7/27/2017 9:27:58 PM EDT
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Looks like the Marines are grounding all the "T" models for a bit while the investigation continues. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 9:29:50 PM EDT
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Looks like the Marines are grounding all the "T" models for a bit while the investigation continues. Interestingly, no other operators of H models have grounded theirs. It's not out of the ordinary to order a safety stand-down after a fatal accident, I've seen it done dozens of times. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 9:31:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/27/2017 9:37:52 PM EDT
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Interestingly, no other operators of H models have grounded theirs. It's not out of the ordinary to order a safety stand-down after a fatal accident, I've seen it done dozens of times. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:57:17 AM EDT
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Continued thoughts and prayers for the families and friends and community.
As unfortunate as this event is/was, I hope it is a one-off and the Ts fly again soon. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:50:29 AM EDT
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Any recent tidbits of info about the cause(s)? Seems like something more might have been discovered.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:58:05 AM EDT
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As far ditching goes, it's survivalable under a wide number of circumstances. As my father noted, he's got a couple of thousand ditchings and only once was the airplane not immediately useable.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:59:39 AM EDT
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Any recent tidbits of info about the cause(s)? Seems like something more might have been discovered. Information discovered by the investigation board is privileged, don't expect to hear anything official for at least a few months. |
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