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Posted: 7/10/2017 9:54:39 PM EST
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I knew and used to fly with the IP active duty. The Instructor FE was my first student in the school house basic FE qual. I still remember listening to the CVR and hearing his voice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry TYCOM, I understand what your going through. We lost DECOY 81 with 6 bro's back in 92 when I was in the 167th AG. The days and weeks will be tough, Remember them for their service and sacrifice. Keep their loved ones and fellow Marines in thoughts and prayers. Semper Fi Marines  
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Posted: 7/10/2017 9:54:52 PM EST
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Posted: 7/10/2017 9:56:14 PM EST
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I am wondering if the vertical stabilizer broke away in flight? That is the only thing I cannot see in the wreckage. all other control surfaces look to be there. The right horizontal pieces are all there the left is there, and you can make out the main wings. Looking at the video the only thing that I can picture in my mind causing the craft to go in inverted and nose down other than a full on hydraulic failure is losing the that vertical stab as all other surfaces are there. FL220! mother ****** that is a horrible long ride. Terrifying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching the video of the crash site. That is a horrible sight. It went in hard. The plane looks to be inverted on the ground and looks to have gone in at a steep nose down attitude.
Prayers for the families and friends of the fallen.  Godspeed Marines. Prayers for all the family, friends and fellow service members this sad incident touches. FL220! mother ****** that is a horrible long ride. Terrifying. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 9:57:22 PM EST
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Local news reporting 16 dead and ammo cookoff that is making firefighting hard. No confirmation on that yet, just local report. Ammo cooking off ??? Fucking reporters. 
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:00:35 PM EST
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Jesus H Christ. Ammo cooking off ??? Fucking reporters. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:01:16 PM EST
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Anybody else think it almost sounds like a midair with something? I know about the wing box issues but the wings look pretty intact to my untrained eyes |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:06:00 PM EST
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Anybody else think it almost sounds like a midair with something? I know about the wing box issues but the wings look pretty intact to my untrained eyes |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:08:31 PM EST
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Damn...
prayers for the fallen and their families. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:14:41 PM EST
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goddamit. RIP
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:16:50 PM EST
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Rest easy... Getting tired of waiting to hear if people I might know are dead.
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:19:40 PM EST
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boom and looked up and saw the plane corkscrewing down to the ground |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:19:58 PM EST
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Looks like vert tail is possibly crumpled up underneath tail section, The right Horizontal Stabilizer is completely missing.
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:21:56 PM EST
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Rest easy... Getting tired of waiting to hear if people I might know are dead. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:24:24 PM EST
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boom and looked up and saw the plane corkscrewing down to the ground |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:25:13 PM EST
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Perhaps...see the link in my post above |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:26:00 PM EST
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That was one of mine. Can't say anything more. TYCOM
Many prayers your way. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:28:30 PM EST
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Looks like vert tail is possibly crumpled up underneath tail section, The right Horizontal Stabilizer is completely missing. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:29:52 PM EST
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I'm just outside of Memphis. Local news Facebook page has someone posted on it saying they work the tower at Millington saying they had no C130s take off from there today. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:33:03 PM EST
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 R.I.P. Marines
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:37:02 PM EST
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If the plane was indeed full of ammo and other munitions they could indeed be cooking off, or even be the cause of an in flight explosion. See the fuselage , you know, the place where a C-130 would carry all that ammo ? It's virtually intact. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:44:39 PM EST
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The air is an extremely dangerous, jealous and exacting mistress. Once under the spell most lovers are faithful to the end, which is not always old age. Even those masters and princes of aerial fighting, the survivors of fifty mortal duels in the high air who have come scatheless through the War and all its perils, have returned again and again to their love and perished too often in some ordinary commonplace flight.
— Sir Winston Churchill RIP
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:48:26 PM EST
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Structural failure, that's just horrible. Prayers for those brave guys and their families.
It's probably been about 30 years since I've flown in one but I always enjoyed those old birds.
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:49:03 PM EST
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:50:28 PM EST
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RIP
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:50:37 PM EST
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I always hated when we lost crews. And it never failed that within a few days someone would say they saw them around the squadron again.
Yeah, you read that right. Ghosts. The stories I could tell you. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:53:15 PM EST
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Godspeed
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:53:36 PM EST
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I just heard they increased the fatality number. That's horrible.
Damn.... |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:57:49 PM EST
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Fuck
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Posted: 7/10/2017 10:57:52 PM EST
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How much ammo does a tanker carry ? See the fuselage , you know, the place where a C-130 would carry all that ammo ? It's virtually intact. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:06:37 PM EST
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Ammo in ammo cans doesn't explode in a Hollywood fashion. I'm guessing a volunteer fire department given the area so they may be ignorant to how ammo behaves in a fire. I would think MHP has enough vets in it to not say the plane was full of ammo unless they had definite knowledg but you never know. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:11:03 PM EST
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What about Maxwell? I know we used to get buzzed by C-130s fishing the Coosa river down there. ETA: just saw the update. RIP Marines
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:15:14 PM EST
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Its a T.. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:16:24 PM EST
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RIP
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:17:41 PM EST
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:27:10 PM EST
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rip
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:28:33 PM EST
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:34:00 PM EST
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RIP Marines.
Condolences to the families and to Marines. Thank you for your sacrifice. Thank you for your service. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:34:45 PM EST
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Structural failure at FL220. That's a long damn way to ride down in a dying bird. Godspeed Marines. Prayers for all the family, friends and fellow service members this sad incident touches. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:36:48 PM EST
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Don't they have parachutes? |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:37:25 PM EST
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Don't they have parachutes? |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:43:58 PM EST
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Don't they have parachutes? |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:50:08 PM EST
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Why would they? Even if they did, there is no way they were going to get to a door in an AC that is tumbling through the air uncontrollably. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:53:27 PM EST
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Ammo in ammo cans doesn't explode in a Hollywood fashion. I'm guessing a volunteer fire department given the area so they may be ignorant to how ammo behaves in a fire. I would think MHP has enough vets in it to not say the plane was full of ammo unless they had definite knowledg but you never know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much ammo does a tanker carry ? See the fuselage , you know, the place where a C-130 would carry all that ammo ? It's virtually intact. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:54:35 PM EST
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Why? For this very scenario. Besides, you don't know if they were tumbling through the air uncontrollably? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would they? Even if they did, there is no way they were going to get to a door in an AC that is tumbling through the air uncontrollably. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:57:58 PM EST
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No. I'd be willing to bet you're wrong. All USAF C-130s carry them, but they are hardly easily accessible. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:59:10 PM EST
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Why? For this very scenario. Besides, you don't know if they were tumbling through the air uncontrollably? |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:59:36 PM EST
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Why? For this very scenario. Besides, you don't know if they were tumbling through the air uncontrollably? Sure it could happen but the odds are pretty darn slim. |
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Posted: 7/10/2017 11:59:53 PM EST
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Don't they have parachutes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Structural failure at FL220. That's a long damn way to ride down in a dying bird. Godspeed Marines. Prayers for all the family, friends and fellow service members this sad incident touches. God awful way to spend one's last moments. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 12:01:19 AM EST
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Wearing a chute all the time in-flight would be like wearing a cup to bed every night so you won't get hit in the junk by falling space debris. Sure it could happen but the odds are pretty darn slim. Exactly, we took them off of KC-135s after carrying them around for 60 years with no actual use. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 12:03:31 AM EST
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I'd have to see the load plan, but J models can carry 7 463L pallets. A pallet of small arms muns can weigh 6000 lbs. if they were hauling large HE, they can get up around 9200, but if this was large shit, IE 105 or 155 shells, there'd be nothing left of the plane to hit the ground. Could have been grenades, 40mm and the like. Or Mk262 Raufoss .50 ammo. Really depends on where that bird was going to or coming from. Fuck it could have been incompatible HAZMAT that somehow got mixed and self ignited. Untill the cargo manifest is released, we wont know. The usual suspects wouldn't be ammo. Most of that stuff is 'ORM-D' - Other Regulated Materials, class D. Ordnance would have had their class clearly labeled. The 'bad' stuff is usually fueled vehicles (fuel+electrical spark), liquid oxygen, compressed gasses, oxydizers, volatiles (spray paint) or acids... I can't recall the manual we used, but all 'hazardous materials' would include clear guidelines on what was acceptable to be carried on a common pallet, or even on multiple pallets on one A/C. Is it still possible something slipped through? Sure, but not without the loadmaster doing an inspection. m |
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