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Posted: 4/26/2014 6:37:48 PM EDT
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Betcha the feds move on him after Congress recesses.
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Posted: 4/26/2014 6:44:45 PM EDT
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great. you might want to try not standing up for dipshits. between cliven and george z you have pretty much mastered the art of picking losers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you guys still hitching your wagon to this guy? Some of us have a pair and and are willing to stand up...others...not so much. great. you might want to try not standing up for dipshits. between cliven and george z you have pretty much mastered the art of picking losers. There it is, right there!  This is all about George Zimmerman. I knew it. 
We can't have a story about the Shoshonie Chief who had his cattle rustled by the BLM, because he is an native, an aboriginal, an indigenous north American. It won't fit the narrative. www.bayoubuzz.com: In 2002, the federal government seized Raymond Yowell’s 132 cattle and later sold them at auction before the U.S. Bureau of Labor Management sent him a bill for $180,000 in back grazing fees and penalties. Twelve years later, Yowell, seen here in 2011, told FoxNews.com he's still looking for the 'equality and justice' he heard about as a schoolboy. (AP) |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 6:52:10 PM EDT
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Everytime I skipped through cnn they were talking about Republicans owning Bundy, he's a racist and so are Republicans....blah blah blah.... Meanwhile, Bundy, who is no public speaker, basically said that inner city folk have exchanged one form of bondage for another where the .gov is the master.... Unfortunately his language skills are stuck in the 60's and they are branding him a racist for his words... Good god, I hate these leftists in media. Quit watching the commie news network. Everytime you tune in their number of viewers doubles. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 6:53:22 PM EDT
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Of course I did. He's not a racist. He's a goddamned moron, and ought to be seen as kryptonite, to advancing a conservative agenda. We (collectively - I want nothing to do with it) are celebrating the plight of an uneducated man, with a propensity for stepping on his own dick, absent a legal third leg to stand on. Even in full context, this drooling mouth breather actually suggested that perhaps being human chattel, was somehow equivalent to being a "slave" to the welfare state, in terms of desirable outcomes. Why in the blue fuck are you guys hitching your wagons to this idiot? Look, when you've had the courts tell you you're full of shit and need to stop what you're doing, it should come as no surprise that they will send armed men to enforce those decisions, if you're being particularly obstinate about it. As hard core a libertarian as I am, I've had no problem recognizing that this blithering idiot was completely out of his gourd - LONG before he ran his unprovoked mouth about racial issues that had fuck-all to do with his current situation. Drop this idiot like a hot potato. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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did you seriously listen to the interview..and the edited version? the media is directing the narrative on this..and some folks who claim to be for freedom are buying into their narrative. He's a goddamned moron, and ought to be seen as kryptonite, to advancing a conservative agenda. We (collectively - I want nothing to do with it) are celebrating the plight of an uneducated man, with a propensity for stepping on his own dick, absent a legal third leg to stand on. Even in full context, this drooling mouth breather actually suggested that perhaps being human chattel, was somehow equivalent to being a "slave" to the welfare state, in terms of desirable outcomes. Why in the blue fuck are you guys hitching your wagons to this idiot? Look, when you've had the courts tell you you're full of shit and need to stop what you're doing, it should come as no surprise that they will send armed men to enforce those decisions, if you're being particularly obstinate about it. As hard core a libertarian as I am, I've had no problem recognizing that this blithering idiot was completely out of his gourd - LONG before he ran his unprovoked mouth about racial issues that had fuck-all to do with his current situation. Drop this idiot like a hot potato. It reminds me of obama supporters that defend and rationalize everything he does no matter how ludicrous. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 7:33:13 PM EDT
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Of course I did. He's not a racist. He's a goddamned moron, and ought to be seen as kryptonite, to advancing a conservative agenda. We (collectively - I want nothing to do with it) are celebrating the plight of an uneducated man, with a propensity for stepping on his own dick, absent a legal third leg to stand on. Even in full context, this drooling mouth breather actually suggested that perhaps being human chattel, was somehow equivalent to being a "slave" to the welfare state, in terms of desirable outcomes. Why in the blue fuck are you guys hitching your wagons to this idiot? Look, when you've had the courts tell you you're full of shit and need to stop what you're doing, it should come as no surprise that they will send armed men to enforce those decisions, if you're being particularly obstinate about it. As hard core a libertarian as I am, I've had no problem recognizing that this blithering idiot was completely out of his gourd - LONG before he ran his unprovoked mouth about racial issues that had fuck-all to do with his current situation. Drop this idiot like a hot potato. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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did you seriously listen to the interview..and the edited version? the media is directing the narrative on this..and some folks who claim to be for freedom are buying into their narrative. He's a goddamned moron, and ought to be seen as kryptonite, to advancing a conservative agenda. We (collectively - I want nothing to do with it) are celebrating the plight of an uneducated man, with a propensity for stepping on his own dick, absent a legal third leg to stand on. Even in full context, this drooling mouth breather actually suggested that perhaps being human chattel, was somehow equivalent to being a "slave" to the welfare state, in terms of desirable outcomes. Why in the blue fuck are you guys hitching your wagons to this idiot? Look, when you've had the courts tell you you're full of shit and need to stop what you're doing, it should come as no surprise that they will send armed men to enforce those decisions, if you're being particularly obstinate about it. As hard core a libertarian as I am, I've had no problem recognizing that this blithering idiot was completely out of his gourd - LONG before he ran his unprovoked mouth about racial issues that had fuck-all to do with his current situation. Drop this idiot like a hot potato. So..you don't like the guy...he's a moron, that makes what he did and said invalid huh?.....I think folks who prop themselves up with alcohol are not much better. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 7:47:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course I did. He's not a racist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: did you seriously listen to the interview..and the edited version? the media is directing the narrative on this..and some folks who claim to be for freedom are buying into their narrative. He's a goddamned moron, and ought to be seen as kryptonite, to advancing a conservative agenda. We (collectively - I want nothing to do with it) are celebrating the plight of an uneducated man, with a propensity for stepping on his own dick, absent a legal third leg to stand on. Even in full context, this drooling mouth breather actually suggested that perhaps being human chattel, was somehow equivalent to being a "slave" to the welfare state, in terms of desirable outcomes. Why in the blue fuck are you guys hitching your wagons to this idiot? Look, when you've had the courts tell you you're full of shit and need to stop what you're doing, it should come as no surprise that they will send armed men to enforce those decisions, if you're being particularly obstinate about it. As hard core a libertarian as I am, I've had no problem recognizing that this blithering idiot was completely out of his gourd - LONG before he ran his unprovoked mouth about racial issues that had fuck-all to do with his current situation. Drop this idiot like a hot potato. Also, the courts could have put a lien on his property instead of utilizing a paramilitary agency and threats of violence to enforce things. I'm sure that since you claim to be a hardcore libertarian, since his grazing hurts no one, he should be free to continue right? Isn't that what that's all about? Same reason hardcore libertarians think drugs should be legal? Have you researched why it would have ruined him to accept the BLM buy out of his rights, and to sign the BLM contract after they changed the laws and lose his states water rights, 90% of his allotment for herd size? Since you believe he is in the wrong, does that make it right that the BLM came in and ran his cattle to death as well as executing many, and then separating calf/ cow pairs which will lead to calf deaths and severe pain for the mother cows? Do you support that things like this have been going on for over 20 years? |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 7:58:24 PM EDT
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Indeed. I never really gave a shit about Cliven Bundy either way. I've said that many times. I still don't. What I care about is the issue of an extremely oppressive federal government that regulates virtually every waking hour of every day of our lives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I suspect the most important thing in the world for some people is the thrill they get in calling other people racists. If the charge might be true, so much the better. The dust-up out at the ranch had exactly zero to do with race. Indeed. I never really gave a shit about Cliven Bundy either way. I've said that many times. I still don't. What I care about is the issue of an extremely oppressive federal government that regulates virtually every waking hour of every day of our lives. I find it interesting how it's a fad for people to say things like "I hate your fucking guts with everything in my soul, but I will support your right to free speech" and then will deny any legitimacy for Bundy because he's said something supposedly racist. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 8:00:06 PM EDT
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Of course I did. He's not a racist. He's a goddamned moron, and ought to be seen as kryptonite, to advancing a conservative agenda. We (collectively - I want nothing to do with it) are celebrating the plight of an uneducated man, with a propensity for stepping on his own dick, absent a legal third leg to stand on. Even in full context, this drooling mouth breather actually suggested that perhaps being human chattel, was somehow equivalent to being a "slave" to the welfare state, in terms of desirable outcomes. Why in the blue fuck are you guys hitching your wagons to this idiot? Look, when you've had the courts tell you you're full of shit and need to stop what you're doing, it should come as no surprise that they will send armed men to enforce those decisions, if you're being particularly obstinate about it. As hard core a libertarian as I am, I've had no problem recognizing that this blithering idiot was completely out of his gourd - LONG before he ran his unprovoked mouth about racial issues that had fuck-all to do with his current situation. Drop this idiot like a hot potato. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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did you seriously listen to the interview..and the edited version? the media is directing the narrative on this..and some folks who claim to be for freedom are buying into their narrative. He's a goddamned moron, and ought to be seen as kryptonite, to advancing a conservative agenda. We (collectively - I want nothing to do with it) are celebrating the plight of an uneducated man, with a propensity for stepping on his own dick, absent a legal third leg to stand on. Even in full context, this drooling mouth breather actually suggested that perhaps being human chattel, was somehow equivalent to being a "slave" to the welfare state, in terms of desirable outcomes. Why in the blue fuck are you guys hitching your wagons to this idiot? Look, when you've had the courts tell you you're full of shit and need to stop what you're doing, it should come as no surprise that they will send armed men to enforce those decisions, if you're being particularly obstinate about it. As hard core a libertarian as I am, I've had no problem recognizing that this blithering idiot was completely out of his gourd - LONG before he ran his unprovoked mouth about racial issues that had fuck-all to do with his current situation. Drop this idiot like a hot potato. You are missing the point entirely and falling for what the left intended. To take the issue from the way this man was treated by the government, to the man himself. HE does not matter one bit, it is the situation, many forget that. When the Government brings an "army" to collect a fee we have problems, Bundy himself is insignificant. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 8:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are missing the point entirely and falling for what the left intended. To take the issue from the way this man was treated by the government, to the man himself. HE does not matter one bit, it is the situation, many forget that. When the Government brings an "army" to collect a fee we have problems, Bundy himself is insignificant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: did you seriously listen to the interview..and the edited version? the media is directing the narrative on this..and some folks who claim to be for freedom are buying into their narrative. He's a goddamned moron, and ought to be seen as kryptonite, to advancing a conservative agenda. We (collectively - I want nothing to do with it) are celebrating the plight of an uneducated man, with a propensity for stepping on his own dick, absent a legal third leg to stand on. Even in full context, this drooling mouth breather actually suggested that perhaps being human chattel, was somehow equivalent to being a "slave" to the welfare state, in terms of desirable outcomes. Why in the blue fuck are you guys hitching your wagons to this idiot? Look, when you've had the courts tell you you're full of shit and need to stop what you're doing, it should come as no surprise that they will send armed men to enforce those decisions, if you're being particularly obstinate about it. As hard core a libertarian as I am, I've had no problem recognizing that this blithering idiot was completely out of his gourd - LONG before he ran his unprovoked mouth about racial issues that had fuck-all to do with his current situation. Drop this idiot like a hot potato. You are missing the point entirely and falling for what the left intended. To take the issue from the way this man was treated by the government, to the man himself. HE does not matter one bit, it is the situation, many forget that. When the Government brings an "army" to collect a fee we have problems, Bundy himself is insignificant. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 8:15:20 PM EDT
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The NY Times reporter baited him big time, I heard the question he was asked yesterday, this was before he had said anything about race, my first thought was: What the hell kind of question was that? It was the racial equivalent of: When did you quit beating your wife? A REALLY BIZARRE QUESTION! It was quite obvious they were setting him up at that point, but he didn't realize it and stop talking to this yahoo.
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Posted: 4/26/2014 9:49:42 PM EDT
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read and share. My advice is to take screen shots of anything related to the Bundy’s on face book and save to your hard drive. Then make back-ups as we all should regularly. I, Vickie Mullen have been in Mesquite NV April 21- April 25 2014 to gain firsthand knowledge for myself and to report to C. J. Hadley of RANGE magazine. To cover the unfolding story of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) mistreatment of cattle, property and the family at Bundy Ranch located outside of Bunkerville, NV USA. Using my own money and time, I went because I was appalled that when I saw my governments impose a 1-st amendment rights zone. I wanted to talk to and meet my fellow citizens that were corralled in a pen to protest the BLM or be assaulted, arrested or worse. Agriculture producers are some of the finest, honest, hard working people I have ever met. This is brief overview of the groups on site 24/7 and other interested parties; The Bundy family: They all were very busy trying to save cows and calves that were severely mistreated by the BLM. Many family members and others were trying to find calves as they had many more cows with tight bags than calves. Carol and Cliven Bundy welcomed me warmly into their home on Tuesday after clearing several security checkpoints. They seemed very glad to meet me and hear I would be working to provide RANGE with information. We were able to take a moment to discuss the past cases of BLM overreach. Some of the work I have done over the past 25 years to try to educate others on the water and land grab of the Federal government in all the Western states and the role Senator Harry Reid has played. After Tuesday they became so busy with press conferences my contact was limited. The Press: Each day Cliven Bundy gave a press conference or informal discussion at 1:00 pm by the protest site off that highway by their ranch for anyone to attend, others privately. Pod caster to major print and TV media outlets were there. Each time it was different on who attended. Many other interviews were done one on one. The coverage I have seen and heard seems reduced to sound bites and to things said that would grab attention and ratings. With others I have years of research which we try to share. During one press session I was able to discuss that the Bundy ranch and grazing area was need to be used as mitigation for Solar projects in the Mojave. The corruption by Harry Reid and government agencies to get water to Las Vegas and Los Angeles was discussed in front of some media as well. On Friday totally frustrated I did hijack the news conference. That will be in a separate paragraph. Conditions of those gathered 24/7 in tents form a compound that is called base came. Here resides men and women who have traveled long distances, taken time off work, left their families behind and are willing to die to protect citizens from being fired on and killed by the government. They come from all areas of the US and walks of life they cannot and should not be lumped together as having one ideology. They are in a camp situation they are not getting outside news for the most part. No TV, no computer, or morning paper delivered. The majority do not leave and are on a 5 days rotation. The United States of America and its people should not assume that everyone who is there or visiting has the same beliefs. Harry Reid called supporters all domestic terrorists. If anyone breaks the law in the United States of America, they have a right to due process. Arrest them and allow them a jury of their peers. The Oath Keepers: When visiting the various camps set-up the Oath Keepers were closest to the road and greeted many of the people visiting. They were friendly, professional, and happy to see everyone turn out to show support for the Bundy family and protect 1st amendment rights. Information about this group can is at oathkeepers.com Three Percenters It seemed that the 3% ers with lII emblems on their jackets had a more prominent role in the safety and security of the "base camp” and of the Bundy family. They seemed to agree that they were there to protecting the Bundy’s from being killed by the United States government and were willing to die for that cause. Named apparently for the 3% of the population who originally stood against an overbearing British monarch a sign said Bunker Hill now Bunkerville. For more information Threepercenter.org The Militias, Comprised of many different segments. I was told by a few that they were there is to assure the protection of the Constitution of the United States, which upholds the individual rights of all United States citizens. Some also represented their states militia. More on Wikipedia. org Some at the base camp said they traveled to protect Cliven Bundy and his family from any harm by the BLM agents when asked they called themselves Independents. Support Staff Wonderful food served by the mess hall. People are bringing food from everywhere. It is being delivered from town as well. They invite anyone and everyone to come have a meal. You do not have to go through any checkpoint. On Thursday I joined everyone, including some women from town, who dropped off food. It was a delicious meal served by a very respectful young man from North Carolina. He was there to support Cliven Bundy and die for his rights and telling me quite loudly to a mixed race group that Cliven did not have a racist bone in his body. No one corrected him. Republic for the United States of America There spokesperson Robert Barnet special advisor to the RUSA. The following is a quote from a handout I received. "Since November 2010 the Republic for the United States of America has been the only lawful de jure government in America, however in a provisional capacity until the majority of Americans find out the truth. The Republic for the United States of America has the lawful right to operate as a parallel provisional government in America while the U. S. municipal corporation collapses. Imminent collapse is the result of their immorality and failed economic and financial policies , the UNITED STATES municipal corporation has clearly sown the seeds of its own destruction and will fall.” For more information republicfortheunitedstates.org <wbr></wbr>. Press Conference I hijacked Friday at 1:00. There were questions I wanted answers for and I begged a reporter to ask them. Cliven was leaving the press conference, which was being covered by all major media on Friday at 1:00. Cliven was leaving the stage and I was in front trying to ask him a question directly so his answers would be what the media heard. His security and family left. I turned and told the media about the rest of the stories they should cover or at least get to the public. The question that took center stage was I pointed to Special Advisor Robert Barnet for the Republic for the United States of America to explain to us all about one aspect of it I had found researching on their website and did not understand. I saw that an inauguration had been held a president, vice president, congress, and judicial positions all were listed. Congress meets by conference call. It also stated that warrants had been sent to all states, the UN and treaty countries that they are the legitimate government and that the government in Washington DC is the de facto government. It is important to go to the web site read not only the first few pages but dig a bit deeper. You may find you support and wish to follow this path or you may be already. I personally support whatever you choose. My issue was I wanted the Bundy’s and others to realize that actions with serious consequences have already been undertaken. I did state that the new government was elected without my vote so if they are the legitimate government they violated my rights already. The explained those people were put in as "place holders" Yes I admit the other questions I asked of the media and the one above were done in an extremely loud voice and I would not be stopped. I pointedly asked Robert Barnet if Cliven Bundy knew that actions by the new legitamate government had occured. He replied that "he did not believe he had spoken to him on that." I did try to talk to Carol, Cliven, and Ryan Bundy to see if they knew that the parallel government had taken actions. None appeared to know what I was talking about. For those that are interested let me know and I have a link that can better explain the ramifications of having a two parallel governments. I did several one on one interviews about BLM, Harry Reid involvement, Water Rights, etc. For those that know me personally there is much more to the story. Links are provided to do your own research. Specific questions answered by e-mail or PM. I will try to edit and clean up spelling and grammar later. I pray to God that he is watching and will direct us all to do the right thing. I have been guided in prayer throughout the last week. Please pray for us all. Vickie Mullen April 26, 2014. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 10:20:31 PM EDT
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Great people focus on ideas, average people focus on events, low people focus on people.
- Eleanor Roosevelt The point here is that what's important is the federal government using a small battalion of armed thugs to enforce their will on a private citizen. Worrying about that citizens personal beliefs or demeanor draws from the point. Precisely what the MSM is trying to do. Draw attention away from what the govt did, and how armed citizens reacted. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 10:25:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great people focus on ideas, average people focus on events, low people focus on people. - Eleanor Roosevelt The point here is that what's important is the federal government using a small battalion of armed thugs to enforce their will on a private citizen. Worrying about that citizens personal beliefs or demeanor draws from the point. Precisely what the MSM is trying to do. Draw attention away from what the govt did, and how armed citizens reacted. If they get smoked for the RUSA reps acting as antagonizes, when in reality they don't stand for that at all, then they get killed for no reason. The idea is that if the RUSA and their beliefs solidify evidence needed to lump EVERYONE out there as domestic terrorists, then no one will care what happens. If the Feds smoke everyone, and people know that there are guys out there who are simply protesting over reaching government violence... then that's a whole other idea. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 10:33:01 PM EDT
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Here's the thing, a lot of the dudes out there might get smoked by the feds. If they get smoked for the RUSA reps acting as antagonizes, when in reality they don't stand for that at all, then they get killed for no reason. The idea is that if the RUSA and their beliefs solidify evidence needed to lump EVERYONE out there as domestic terrorists, then no one will care what happens. If the Feds smoke everyone, and people know that there are guys out there who are simply protesting over reaching government violence... then that's a whole other idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great people focus on ideas, average people focus on events, low people focus on people. - Eleanor Roosevelt The point here is that what's important is the federal government using a small battalion of armed thugs to enforce their will on a private citizen. Worrying about that citizens personal beliefs or demeanor draws from the point. Precisely what the MSM is trying to do. Draw attention away from what the govt did, and how armed citizens reacted. If they get smoked for the RUSA reps acting as antagonizes, when in reality they don't stand for that at all, then they get killed for no reason. The idea is that if the RUSA and their beliefs solidify evidence needed to lump EVERYONE out there as domestic terrorists, then no one will care what happens. If the Feds smoke everyone, and people know that there are guys out there who are simply protesting over reaching government violence... then that's a whole other idea. The most righteous way to start a revolution is to be reactive to a massacre. It's my personal belief that the "shot heard round the world" that "no one knows who fired" was likely fired by American militiamen who were ready to start a war. By conveniently not knowing who fired first they retain their righteousness. Just my opinion. Same deal today. Eventually, one of these events will go nuclear and the feds won't be able to hide the results. I don't think it will be long before some SF wannabe park ranger or IRS swat agent or what have you murders non-violent protesters and shit gets really real. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 10:36:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The most righteous way to start a revolution is to be reactive to a massacre. It's my personal belief that the "shot heard round the world" that "no one knows who fired" was likely fired by American militiamen who were ready to start a war. By conveniently not knowing who fired first they retain their righteousness. Just my opinion. Same deal today. Eventually, one of these events will go nuclear and the feds won't be able to hide the results. I don't think it will be long before some SF wannabe park ranger or IRS swat agent or what have you murders non-violent protesters and shit gets really real. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: snip The most righteous way to start a revolution is to be reactive to a massacre. It's my personal belief that the "shot heard round the world" that "no one knows who fired" was likely fired by American militiamen who were ready to start a war. By conveniently not knowing who fired first they retain their righteousness. Just my opinion. Same deal today. Eventually, one of these events will go nuclear and the feds won't be able to hide the results. I don't think it will be long before some SF wannabe park ranger or IRS swat agent or what have you murders non-violent protesters and shit gets really real. If shots are fired during this, there are many avenues where people will condemn the people at the ranch as loonies, or "Militia" and especially if this RUSA tries to steal the spotlight, legitimate enemies of the state. There are very few ways this can go down where any deaths would be a benefit to the country waking people up to problems we have. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 10:43:18 PM EDT
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I agree, that's why this is so interesting. If shots are fired during this, there are many avenues where people will condemn the people at the ranch as loonies, or "Militia" and especially if this RUSA tries to steal the spotlight, legitimate enemies of the state. There are very few ways this can go down where any deaths would be a benefit to the country waking people up to problems we have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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snip The most righteous way to start a revolution is to be reactive to a massacre. It's my personal belief that the "shot heard round the world" that "no one knows who fired" was likely fired by American militiamen who were ready to start a war. By conveniently not knowing who fired first they retain their righteousness. Just my opinion. Same deal today. Eventually, one of these events will go nuclear and the feds won't be able to hide the results. I don't think it will be long before some SF wannabe park ranger or IRS swat agent or what have you murders non-violent protesters and shit gets really real. If shots are fired during this, there are many avenues where people will condemn the people at the ranch as loonies, or "Militia" and especially if this RUSA tries to steal the spotlight, legitimate enemies of the state. There are very few ways this can go down where any deaths would be a benefit to the country waking people up to problems we have. Definitely. No doubt that if shit had gone down at the ranch the armed citizens would have been protrayed as instigators, traitors, ... domestic terrorists, etc etc. |
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Posted: 4/26/2014 10:46:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope all the posters here who use phrases like mocha messiah will learn from this. All you do is give ammunition to the other side, all the while diminishing your own arguments. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 8:20:09 AM EDT
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Quit watching the commie news network. Everytime you tune in their number of viewers doubles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everytime I skipped through cnn they were talking about Republicans owning Bundy, he's a racist and so are Republicans....blah blah blah.... Meanwhile, Bundy, who is no public speaker, basically said that inner city folk have exchanged one form of bondage for another where the .gov is the master.... Unfortunately his language skills are stuck in the 60's and they are branding him a racist for his words... Good god, I hate these leftists in media. Quit watching the commie news network. Everytime you tune in their number of viewers doubles. I never watch cnn but I've been watching it b/c its the only channel that is covering the flight 370 story in detail which has kept me interested. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 8:26:33 AM EDT
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The MSM is enemy - NEVER forget it. have any credible links to support that 
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Posted: 4/27/2014 8:36:56 AM EDT
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The MSM is enemy - NEVER forget it. Truth! Divide and conquer, when the narrative is not theirs, they attack the individual... |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 8:38:10 AM EDT
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Definitely. No doubt that if shit had gone down at the ranch the armed citizens would have been protrayed as instigators, traitors, ... domestic terrorists, etc etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/27/2014 8:51:54 AM EDT
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I hope all the posters here who use phrases like mocha messiah will learn from this. All you do is give ammunition to the other side, all the while diminishing your own arguments. I piss on the other side and their opinions. There is neither giving nor taking away of their ammunition. They will find something in your words to use against you and if they can't find anything then they'll make something up. Best to speak your mind and let your own words be your judge. It is not the other side I was worried about. This. Phrases like "obungo," "mocha messiah," and "the wookie" make it easy for people to outright dismiss your opinions as racist when instead they might have had to think of them, or at least consider your words as a legitimate difference of opinion. It's true that the hardcore leftists will try to warp your words to make you look bad, but that doesn't mean that you should use language that makes you look bad even to people who agree with you. Treat everyone who disagrees with you as a polarized enemy, and surprise! That's what you get! During the Bush administration, I had a hard time admitting that the policies enacted were detrimental to civil rights because it meant I would have to agree with the histrionic, bile-spewing lefties who harped on those points. They were correct in this narrow area, but I didn't want to line up with them or encourage them further. There's an identical dynamic at play with the terms we use to talk about Obama and his plans. If you want to see where polarization of culture has come from, look no further than the infantilization of modern man. Biting your tongue, remaining calm in the face of provocation, and reasonable disagreement is unsatisfying, but it's what actually changes minds. It's what adults do. Getting angry is satisfying, but childish names and invective will produce all the rapproachment and rational debate you see on a grade-school playground. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 8:55:22 AM EDT
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This. Phrases like "obungo," "mocha messiah," and "the wookie" make it easy for people to outright dismiss your opinions as racist when instead they might have had to think of them, or at least consider your words as a legitimate difference of opinion. It's true that the hardcore leftists will try to warp your words to make you look bad, but that doesn't mean that you should use language that makes you look bad even to people who agree with you. Treat everyone who disagrees with you as a polarized enemy, and surprise! That's what you get! During the Bush administration, I had a hard time admitting that the policies enacted were detrimental to civil rights because it meant I would have to agree with the histrionic, bile-spewing lefties who harped on those points. They were correct in this narrow area, but I didn't want to line up with them or encourage them further. There's an identical dynamic at play with the terms we use to talk about Obama and his plans. If you want to see where polarization of culture has come from, look no further than the infantilization of modern man. Biting your tongue, remaining calm in the face of provocation, and reasonable disagreement is unsatisfying, but it's what actually changes minds. It's what adults do. Getting angry is satisfying, but childish names and invective will produce all the rapproachment and rational debate you see on a grade-school playground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/27/2014 8:59:52 AM EDT
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OK, so some old fart has a beef with the BLM over grazing fees, fair enough. By his rhetoric, he sounds like a sovereign citizen type. So be it.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:13:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:16:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:18:01 AM EDT
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Are you guys still hitching your wagon to this guy? Some of us have a pair and and are willing to stand up...others...not so much. great. you might want to try not standing up for dipshits. between cliven and george z you have pretty much mastered the art of picking losers. better than standing for the MSM whose knob you're slobbering on oh, okay, i wasn't aware of that. should i work the shaft too? seems to me he's a moron on both the "gotcha" edit and the raw tape. if it makes it you feel special to dismiss anyone who doesn't get their news exclusively from FEMAcampalertsforpatriots.com, well, that's super. the man is still an idiot. just like peace be upon his name george z. so, you have won, all around. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:18:13 AM EDT
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OK, so some old fart has a beef with the BLM over grazing fees, fair enough. By his rhetoric, he sounds like a sovereign citizen type. So be it. If that's his beef, what the fuck is he doing shooting his mouth off over race and welfare? Is he so stupid that he'd willingly muddy the waters like that? Stick a fork in him, he's done. Dude spent thirty seconds talking about race, weeks talking about other stuff. They'll show thirty seconds of other stuff, and loop his race rant incessantly for the next month. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:19:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:23:26 AM EDT
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I piss on the other side and their opinions. There is neither giving nor taking away of their ammunition. They will find something in your words to use against you and if they can't find anything then they'll make something up. Best to speak your mind and let your own words be your judge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:25:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:26:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:21:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:26:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:28:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Freeze, Polarize, Isolate. And they spend exponentially more time proving Bundy a racist than they did discussing the overreaction by the alphabet agencies. I'll grant that the federal government owns waaaaay too much land (we should work to change that), but we are a nation of laws.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:33:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:47:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 10:48:52 AM EDT
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I don't really see it as an overreaction. If you ignore court orders and give a federal judge the proverbial finger, armed men are a-comin'. He's trespassing on federal land, and won't move. They've already tried asking nicely. For years. I'll grant that the federal government owns waaaaay too much land (we should work to change that), but we are a nation of laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:08:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:08:34 AM EDT
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https://www.facebook.com/charliefreakindelta
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:09:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:15:46 AM EDT
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Since Obama was elected, I became a racist. I have that right in America. The proof that I am racist is based upon the fact that if I disagree with Obama/libs/blacks I am racist.
The racist Obama/libs/blacks want blacks to continue to be enslaved to the welfare system which has destroyed the black family and resulted in terrible social ills for the black community (and the whiteys that blacks assault with knockouts and other crimes). I on the other hand want blacks to achieve all that is possible in America. That will never happen with the current welfare system. For a start, we need to end all welfare for bastard kids starting at some point this year. No WIC. No SNAP. No EBT. No housing allowance. No Obama phone. No medical care. Nothing. Many more efforts are needed and the improvement will take years to decades. But it will get better. So I accept that by wanting the black community to get better, which is opposite what the lib/black/Obama racists want, I am a whitey racist and I accept that label gladly along with Cliven Bundy. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:16:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:24:14 AM EDT
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Are you guys still hitching your wagon to this guy? They are Seriously. When I heard the details of everything, I'm like, "I don't like the gov, but you can't just use their land as you please and not pay the fees. I hate taxes too, but you gotta pay them." Whether he is a racist or not is irrelevant to his dealings with the gov. If I had supported him before, I would continue to do so. But I can't support this guy at all. You guys call some poor person who lives in section 8 housing FSA. This guy is using resources for free, something his neighbor ranchers don't get to do. How is that NOT part of the FSA? |
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously. When I heard the details of everything, I'm like, "I don't like the gov, but you can't just use their land as you please and not pay the fees. I hate taxes too, but you gotta pay them." Whether he is a racist or not is irrelevant to his dealings with the gov. If I had supported him before, I would continue to do so. But I can't support this guy at all. You guys call some poor person who lives in section 8 housing FSA. This guy is using resources for free, something his neighbor ranchers don't get to do. How is that NOT part of the FSA? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are you guys still hitching your wagon to this guy? They are Seriously. When I heard the details of everything, I'm like, "I don't like the gov, but you can't just use their land as you please and not pay the fees. I hate taxes too, but you gotta pay them." Whether he is a racist or not is irrelevant to his dealings with the gov. If I had supported him before, I would continue to do so. But I can't support this guy at all. You guys call some poor person who lives in section 8 housing FSA. This guy is using resources for free, something his neighbor ranchers don't get to do. How is that NOT part of the FSA?  Dude, have you read ANYTHING about this? Or are you basing your opinion of guess work? All his "Neighbor rancher" Have been chased out by the BLM.... Why do you think a lot of them SUPPORT him? |
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