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Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:03:57 PM EDT
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Coming out for the man love and potentially grooming defense ? The Carolinas  are woke, and very verbal. LoL  Pissed the month is coming to an end?

Keep going with your stupid gun pics crap every time you lose a argument. You are making the other N_T's look bad.

Be careful, staff has already affirmed that your "gun pics" crap doesn't float. I have screenshots of you and others dogging myself and others about "gun pics" when you lose a disagreement in other threads.  It is called thread derailment to attempt to force unsubstantiated views.   Tread lightly Carolina.
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@O_Guiness

Boss you seem awful spooled up. So instead of continuing to be the drunk hillbilly in the bar spewing spittle on the other patrons, why don't you answer a few questions.

1. How do you believe Trump, if he actually wins the primary, can overcome the voter fraud?

2. If elected, what immediate changes would you like to see?

3. How does he get these charges through a hostel congress?

4. After Trumps 2nd term, even if it is as successful as you hope, how is that maintained?

5. Who follows?
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:19:15 PM EDT
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Trump didn't puss out regarding Hillary.

the democrats and doj/FBI helped Russia destabilize the presidency/USA with that fake russian dossier bullshit. Trump couldn't really do anything.
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Trump allowed them.
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:22:05 PM EDT
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@O_Guiness

I believe You can send a picture in an IM - IF the picture is 'hosted' and has a URL.  Basically you are sending a link to a hosted picture - If I understand it right.

I don't believe you can just 'click & drop' a picture into a ARFCOM IM like you can in Gmail or other e-mail.

I had already edited the post - to be honest I should not have posted it - but I will certainly apologize in full here in the forum for any error or mistake on my part.  If I'm wrong - I'll own it.

Unlike a certain "Politician", when I am wrong I fully acknowledge my mistakes & take full responsibility for them - Lord knows I've made more than a few in my years on this planet.

If you don't mind a compliment - That AR looks like much too nice a set up for any "Self Described FUDD".   Remember FUDD is a mind set - ("I like the 2nd amendment but ain't no body needs a 30 round magazine machine gun like a AR-15 to hunt deer with". or "Nobody needs to carry a pistol that can hold 17 rounds out in public - that should only be done by the POLICE) and not just a person's age or even what type of guns they own.  I'm old as dirt and own plenty of "hunting shotguns & hunting rifles" in addition to a boatload of ARs, "tactical shotguns", Pistols of every flavor & caliber and enough ammo to stack on top to pressure test the next "Titanic submersible" & crush it to itty biddy carbon fiber confetti.

If all I owned was a rusty 30-30 with a 1/4 box of old shells - I'd still want our 2nd Amendment Liberties to be respected and unencumbered by restrictions by the .GOV or others.

I'll await you pictures and I hope you don't mind if I put some Pepper Jack & Picante sauce on any 'crow' I may have to eat.  

Best Regards,

Bigger_Hammer  




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Go to any random thread and hit the reply button.  Select a photo and upload. Copy the link and paste it into an IM. Bam, magic, you can send pics via IM.
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:34:38 PM EDT
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Meanwhile Biden is sexually abusing children, daily
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:36:41 PM EDT
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Eh at this point I don't know if he even knows what a human child is. Or how to spell child.
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:38:44 PM EDT
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Coming out for the man love and potentially grooming defense ? The Carolinas  are woke, and very verbal. LoL  Pissed the month is coming to an end?

Keep going with your stupid gun pics crap every time you lose a argument. You are making the other N_T's look bad.

Be careful, staff has already affirmed that your "gun pics" crap doesn't float. I have screenshots of you and others dogging myself and others about "gun pics" when you lose a disagreement in other threads.  It is called thread derailment to attempt to force unsubstantiated views.   Tread lightly Carolina.
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Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:48:21 PM EDT
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No kidding.

But watch out! He’s got screenshots!

Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:50:28 PM EDT
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You guys are allowing yourself to be manipulated
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:55:29 PM EDT
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You guys are allowing yourself to be manipulated
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Yeah I posted a few pages back that this wasn’t even one of the charges.

The transcript is in the indictment, presumably as evidence that he was knowingly maintaining classified information.  But it wasn’t one of the 37 counts.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 12:14:21 AM EDT
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Wow.  CNN's story fell apart faster than that Russian civil war.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 12:29:48 AM EDT
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You guys are allowing yourself to be manipulated
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Why does it matter if it's part of the charges or not?  You think the people here are only capable of drawing a conclusion based on the actions of the DoJ and not based on the words of Trump himself?

So since Biden hasn't been charged with being a corrupt pedo - we shouldn't judge him for being one based on his own words/actions?

The facts are the facts and the facts show Trump values classified information in much the same way I value the feedback you just provided.

Like the potato - he's completely unfit for office.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 12:31:38 AM EDT
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Jan. 6 Convict Tells the Truth About Trump: He’s a Cult Boss

Actual truth has erupted on Truth Social.



It came on Monday, after Donald Trump posted a compound falsehood.

“AMERICAN JUSTICE: 69-year-old Grandma with Cancer given more prison time for walking inside US Capitol than Hunter Biden for sharing classified documents with foreign regimes and multi-million dollar bribery schemes.”

Trump endorsed the lies with a one word comment.

“HORRIBLE.”

But then that same grandma with cancer, who is actually 70, came right at him.

“Please @realDonaldTrump don’t be using me for anything, I’m not a victim of Jan 6, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty! #StopTheSpin,” Pamela Hemphill of Idaho wrote on the platform.

She added that Trump should not compare her to the current president’s son.

“He didn’t try to attack the Capitol!” she tweeted.

Pamela Hemphill in a crowd of Jan. 6 rioters



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Hemphill says that until three months ago she was under the spell of what she calls “the Trump cult.” She attended the Jan. 6 rally as a self-appointed “citizen journalist” and videographer after her brother gave her a plane ticket to Washington. He was trying to lift her spirits as she fought breast cancer.

“My brother calls, says, ‘Hey, you, since you’re going to start chemotherapy, why don’t you go see Trump and video-record that?’” she told The Daily Beast. “I said I couldn’t afford it. But he said, ‘I’ll give it to you for a Christmas present.’”

Three days after Christmas, Hemphill announced on Facebook that she was going to Washington.

“It’s not going to be a FUN Trump rally that is planned for January 6th, it’s a WAR!”

She added, “The fight for America is REAL, show up. I don’t need to hear your excuses!” We have no second chances. If Millions, and I mean Millions show up, we may have a chance. FIND A WAY!”

That New Year’s Eve, a friend posted on Facebook what Hemphill says was just a joke photo of her holding a plastic rifle.

“Happy New Year! On my way to Washington on January 6,” the caption read.

Pamela Hemphill holding a plastic gun



FBI

Hemphill later said that she had not realized how lost she had become.

“You don’t see it as a cult when you’re in it,” she told The Daily Beast. “You don’t recognize it.”

She says she still had 40 stitches from her breast surgery when she was caught up in the rush into the Capitol building. She credits one of the cops with saving her from serious injury. A combination of excitement and pain medication caused her to then urge the crowd to go on in, she says

“This is your house. Your house!” she can be heard saying on her own video.

Facebook posts about Pamela Hemphill's presence at the Capitol on Jan. 6



FBI

That next morning, she flew back to Boise. She was home eight months later when FBI agents arrived at her door and arrested her. They were nothing like the jackbooted feds of far-right fictions.

“The FBI were really good to me,” she recalled. “They just have procedures. It’s just what they do.”

The agents agreed to let her just sit down and collect herself.

“I said, ‘I gotta vape for a minute here. I’m nervous. I’ve never been in jail in my life,’” she recalled.

After Hemphill pleaded guilty to invading the Capitol, she was sentenced to 60 days in prison. In mid-July of last year, she paid two months rent in advance and surrendered at the federal prison in Dublin, California. She says that a large number of her fellow inmates were “cartel women.” They had not forgotten Trump’s diatribes against Mexican immigrants and they knew what being a Jan. 6 prisoner meant.

“They hate Trump,” she said. “I was lucky to get out.”

Hemphill says the 60 days felt like an eternity, and during the long hours she started to understand why the “cartel women” felt the way they did about Trump. She said she had deepening doubts that the election had really been stolen.

“I was starting to see things,” she recalled. “I was back and forth, not knowing what to believe.”

But Trumpism kept its hold on her until after she was back home and family members began speaking hard truth to her just as she had to alcoholics and drug abusers before she retired as a substance abuse counselor.

“Telling me, ‘Pam, you’re in a cult. You really need to get out of that… We really care about you, but this is a cult. You’re trapped in a cult,’” she recalled.

She began to see the Trump who had been there all along.

“I started seeing the narcissistic behavior,” she recalled. “And I said, ‘Wait, wait, this is gaslighting. This is not true.’” She began to listen to what her gut had been telling her.

“I never liked how he talked to people anyway,” she recalled. “He’s rude. He’s very mean to people.”

She discerned the truth about “fake news.”

“Tell everybody it’s fake news and they don’t listen to that news,” she said.

She became angry when Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and others spoke of her as a victim.

“What’s happened is they're using me like a victim,” Hemphill said. “I’m not a victim. I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, period. I mean, I was trespassing. I had a choice—I could have left.”

And she was disturbed by the ongoing Trump mania.

“All those flags with his picture on it and T-shirts,” she said. “It’s like, ‘Wait, you guys, this is getting a little weird.’”

In the meantime, other Jan. 6 participants and their supporters were bombarding Hemphill with texts and tweets.

“Just telling me all their victimness, gaslighting,” she recalled. “And I started saying, ‘Wait, wait, wait. You guys, the officers were nice to me. I don’t see what you’re talking about.’ I started hearing all their lies, their stories. I said, ‘Wait, it doesn’t look like [the police] started anything.’”

Jordan Klepper Grills Jan. 6 Trump Supporter Who Confesses: ‘I Just Got Out of a Cult’

In April, Hemphill finally broke the spell. She told herself what her family had been telling her.

“I said, ‘This is it. Pam, this is a cult. Just face it. Back away a hundred percent,’” she recalled.

Those still deep in the cult were furious.

“I started debunking them and they got mad at me and they started getting more mad at me and started a smear campaign on me,” Hemphill recalled. “That I was a fed agent. That I was antifa. Just silly children, high school stuff.”

She was exiled from the Jan. 6 Twitter spaces. She started one of her own that filled with people who wielded the best weapon against a cult.

“Facts,” she said.

She came to understand how she and others became members of the Trump cult.

“It’s called love-bombing,” she said. “He’s a rescuer trying to save the world, you know.”

On Monday, Hemphill responded to Trump with fact on Truth Social. And it was not because she favors any of the other presidential candidates.

“Too bad we don’t have a Black woman running,” she said.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 12:39:04 AM EDT
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Why does it matter if it's part of the charges or not?  You think the people here are only capable of drawing a conclusion based on the actions of the DoJ and not based on the words of Trump himself?

So since Biden hasn't been charged with being a corrupt pedo - we shouldn't judge him for being one based on his own words/actions?

The facts are the facts and the facts show Trump values classified information in much the same way I value the feedback you just provided.

Like the potato - he's completely unfit for office.
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What facts exactly?  Can you present those facts?  

https://www.semafor.com/article/06/27/2023/it-was-bravado-trump-says-he-wasnt-holding-up-classified-documents-in-2021-meeting
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 1:10:37 AM EDT
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Yeah I posted a few pages back that this wasn't even one of the charges.

The transcript is in the indictment, presumably as evidence that he was knowingly maintaining classified information.  But it wasn't one of the 37 counts.
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What am I missing?

If the document isn't among the charges, presumably it's not classified. So what is the transcript/audio evidence of, exactly?
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 1:39:26 AM EDT
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What am I missing?

If the document isn't among the charges, presumably it's not classified. So what is the transcript evidence of, exactly?
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The first 30-something pages of the indictment are the “introduction”, pretty much laying out all the evidence of Trump doing bad shit with classified information.  Improper retention, disclosure, and his obstruction. It’s pretty much a narrative, painting a picture of what happened, and when.  After that, are the 37 counts. 31 specific classified documents, and six charges for lying/obstruction stuff. Though in this indictment, Trump has only been charged with alleged crimes committed at Mar-a-Lago, as he is being tried in the southern district in Florida. There is speculation there may be another separate indictment for shit he did in New Jersey.  I believe the interview in question took place in New Jersey.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 2:03:22 AM EDT
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Jesus Christ why the fuck would he allow himself to be recorded and say such damning things? He played right into the cocksuckers hands with this bullshit.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 2:32:15 AM EDT
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@O_Guiness

Boss you seem awful spooled up. So instead of continuing to be the drunk hillbilly in the bar spewing spittle on the other patrons, why don't you answer a few questions.

1. How do you believe Trump, if he actually wins the primary, can overcome the voter fraud?

2. If elected, what immediate changes would you like to see?

3. How does he get these charges through a hostel congress?

4. After Trumps 2nd term, even if it is as successful as you hope, how is that maintained?

5. Who follows?
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Very good, thanks for not attacking my stature as a gun owner. I will address your questions with answers that are my own. The "drunk hillbilly" comment is out of line though.

1. Very much an unknown. I wholly believe that election fraud has been influencing our elections for much longer than just the last cycle. ? Can anyone but Trump even verbally in the open media confront the fraud? DeSantis? Vivek? Who?

2. Changes I'm not sure about. I have been formulating a thought  that I have seen work in the private sector to get the "worms" out of the pie. You can't fire them but you can take away all their duties and responsibilities. Delegate those to someone sympathetic to your goal.

3. A hostile congress is a tough nut to crack. First we need to try and not make it a hostile congress. Trump loves this country, I think you would have a hard time convincing a average voter otherwise. He came into the white house with a terrible congress that tried to "trip" him with every step.

4. Very good question. I don't know the answer to. With our current political climate it is going to be the same sniping and back biting as always however I believe Trump is the only person on the natonal stage that has any chance of changing the current status.

5. Yet to be seen. I have no clue who may be in the pipe. Nor do you.  I know I would prefer a non-politician or non-lawyer.

Thank You for the thoughtful questions.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 2:34:17 AM EDT
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Go to any random thread and hit the reply button.  Select a photo and upload. Copy the link and paste it into an IM. Bam, magic, you can send pics via IM.
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Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 2:47:20 AM EDT
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Why does it matter if it's part of the charges or not?  You think the people here are only capable of drawing a conclusion based on the actions of the DoJ and not based on the words of Trump himself?

So since Biden hasn't been charged with being a corrupt pedo - we shouldn't judge him for being one based on his own words/actions?

The facts are the facts and the facts show Trump values classified information in much the same way I value the feedback you just provided.

Like the potato - he's completely unfit for office.
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WTF  Ok N-Ts are these your thoughts as well?

He mad!!
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 2:47:29 AM EDT
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What am I missing?

If the document isn't among the charges, presumably it's not classified. So what is the transcript/audio evidence of, exactly?
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To smear him in public opinion. Look at how effective it's been in this very thread.

The DOJ's #1 priority is to keep Trump from winning an election, just like always. If they can manage to send him to prison forever in the process, it's a bonus.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 2:55:56 AM EDT
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To smear him in public opinion. Look at how effective it's been in this very thread.

The DOJ's #1 priority is to keep Trump from winning an election, just like always. If they can manage to send him to prison forever in the process, it's a bonus.
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You ain't wrong, the smoothbrains are shouting down everyone else.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 6:08:30 AM EDT
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SEND THIS VIDEO TO TRUMP - Barnes Analysis of Federal Indictment - IT'S BULLPLOP! Viva & Trump Clip


Trump Espionage Act Indictment UPDATE - The Mob Wants Political Blood! Viva & Barnes
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 6:44:35 AM EDT
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either way people too easily give way to their bias and emotion

High likelihood that ALL people (Trump, staffers, writer, publishing specialist) in the room have security clearance

Even if the "writer and publishing specialist" are not formerly holdover of his staff,  "writers and publishing specialists" are actually hired by federal government and get granted security clearance; being there supposedly doing "memoir on Mark Meadows" suggests they have clearance
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You don’t have a clue about what you are talking about but you talk about bias and emotion.

First it was ‘I don’t believe they have an audio tape’ and now we have it but ‘it’s made by AI’ or ‘he didn’t actually have any documents’ or ‘he declassified all the documents’ or ‘they all had security clearances’.

The mental gymnastics to give this guy a pass are mind blowing.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 6:46:44 AM EDT
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You guys are allowing yourself to be manipulated
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Jon Solomon came out a week ago saying that they do not even have that document. Surprisingly it's been known and ignored by a lot of the people posting about it here.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 6:48:04 AM EDT
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/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/B926BC70-2451-4EC1-A889-3A3C070B9F9D-404.gif

https://i.imgur.com/H8KAFFQ.jpg

You can't do it (post a picture of a firearm you own) because you Do NOT own any firearm - so what exactly are you doing here on a GUN BOARD again?

Bigger_Hammer
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Not posting a pic of a gun you own is preferable to that thrashed out Hipoint you own.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 6:52:27 AM EDT
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Jan. 6 Convict Tells the Truth About Trump: He’s a Cult Boss

Actual truth has erupted on Truth Social.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/mMuJcpbBC5oJtd0c_fpNxg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM1OQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thedailybeast.com/44bb2501470d42270f4437022649e24d

It came on Monday, after Donald Trump posted a compound falsehood.

“AMERICAN JUSTICE: 69-year-old Grandma with Cancer given more prison time for walking inside US Capitol than Hunter Biden for sharing classified documents with foreign regimes and multi-million dollar bribery schemes.”

Trump endorsed the lies with a one word comment.

“HORRIBLE.”

But then that same grandma with cancer, who is actually 70, came right at him.

“Please @realDonaldTrump don’t be using me for anything, I’m not a victim of Jan 6, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty! #StopTheSpin,” Pamela Hemphill of Idaho wrote on the platform.

She added that Trump should not compare her to the current president’s son.

“He didn’t try to attack the Capitol!” she tweeted.

Pamela Hemphill in a crowd of Jan. 6 rioters

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/DwiZaIoJFnYwVaq4CnEp6w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thedailybeast.com/6d0e691d65f207d23fc384cbffbba0f4

FBI

Hemphill says that until three months ago she was under the spell of what she calls “the Trump cult.” She attended the Jan. 6 rally as a self-appointed “citizen journalist” and videographer after her brother gave her a plane ticket to Washington. He was trying to lift her spirits as she fought breast cancer.

“My brother calls, says, ‘Hey, you, since you’re going to start chemotherapy, why don’t you go see Trump and video-record that?’” she told The Daily Beast. “I said I couldn’t afford it. But he said, ‘I’ll give it to you for a Christmas present.’”

Three days after Christmas, Hemphill announced on Facebook that she was going to Washington.

“It’s not going to be a FUN Trump rally that is planned for January 6th, it’s a WAR!”

She added, “The fight for America is REAL, show up. I don’t need to hear your excuses!” We have no second chances. If Millions, and I mean Millions show up, we may have a chance. FIND A WAY!”

That New Year’s Eve, a friend posted on Facebook what Hemphill says was just a joke photo of her holding a plastic rifle.

“Happy New Year! On my way to Washington on January 6,” the caption read.

Pamela Hemphill holding a plastic gun

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/S1I3E1dCs7Bdni3KsvFOrg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thedailybeast.com/c51947ad01f50d0f4f3c0a469cc2b185

FBI

Hemphill later said that she had not realized how lost she had become.

“You don’t see it as a cult when you’re in it,” she told The Daily Beast. “You don’t recognize it.”

She says she still had 40 stitches from her breast surgery when she was caught up in the rush into the Capitol building. She credits one of the cops with saving her from serious injury. A combination of excitement and pain medication caused her to then urge the crowd to go on in, she says

“This is your house. Your house!” she can be heard saying on her own video.

Facebook posts about Pamela Hemphill's presence at the Capitol on Jan. 6

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Xx9.55JzBAyEkhQtmHEnjQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thedailybeast.com/7b34368b069543798b54e4f7fe7f1216

FBI

That next morning, she flew back to Boise. She was home eight months later when FBI agents arrived at her door and arrested her. They were nothing like the jackbooted feds of far-right fictions.

“The FBI were really good to me,” she recalled. “They just have procedures. It’s just what they do.”

The agents agreed to let her just sit down and collect herself.

“I said, ‘I gotta vape for a minute here. I’m nervous. I’ve never been in jail in my life,’” she recalled.

After Hemphill pleaded guilty to invading the Capitol, she was sentenced to 60 days in prison. In mid-July of last year, she paid two months rent in advance and surrendered at the federal prison in Dublin, California. She says that a large number of her fellow inmates were “cartel women.” They had not forgotten Trump’s diatribes against Mexican immigrants and they knew what being a Jan. 6 prisoner meant.

“They hate Trump,” she said. “I was lucky to get out.”

Hemphill says the 60 days felt like an eternity, and during the long hours she started to understand why the “cartel women” felt the way they did about Trump. She said she had deepening doubts that the election had really been stolen.

“I was starting to see things,” she recalled. “I was back and forth, not knowing what to believe.”

But Trumpism kept its hold on her until after she was back home and family members began speaking hard truth to her just as she had to alcoholics and drug abusers before she retired as a substance abuse counselor.

“Telling me, ‘Pam, you’re in a cult. You really need to get out of that… We really care about you, but this is a cult. You’re trapped in a cult,’” she recalled.

She began to see the Trump who had been there all along.

“I started seeing the narcissistic behavior,” she recalled. “And I said, ‘Wait, wait, this is gaslighting. This is not true.’” She began to listen to what her gut had been telling her.

“I never liked how he talked to people anyway,” she recalled. “He’s rude. He’s very mean to people.”

She discerned the truth about “fake news.”

“Tell everybody it’s fake news and they don’t listen to that news,” she said.

She became angry when Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and others spoke of her as a victim.

“What’s happened is they're using me like a victim,” Hemphill said. “I’m not a victim. I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, period. I mean, I was trespassing. I had a choice—I could have left.”

And she was disturbed by the ongoing Trump mania.

“All those flags with his picture on it and T-shirts,” she said. “It’s like, ‘Wait, you guys, this is getting a little weird.’”

In the meantime, other Jan. 6 participants and their supporters were bombarding Hemphill with texts and tweets.

“Just telling me all their victimness, gaslighting,” she recalled. “And I started saying, ‘Wait, wait, wait. You guys, the officers were nice to me. I don’t see what you’re talking about.’ I started hearing all their lies, their stories. I said, ‘Wait, it doesn’t look like [the police] started anything.’”

Jordan Klepper Grills Jan. 6 Trump Supporter Who Confesses: ‘I Just Got Out of a Cult’

In April, Hemphill finally broke the spell. She told herself what her family had been telling her.

“I said, ‘This is it. Pam, this is a cult. Just face it. Back away a hundred percent,’” she recalled.

Those still deep in the cult were furious.

“I started debunking them and they got mad at me and they started getting more mad at me and started a smear campaign on me,” Hemphill recalled. “That I was a fed agent. That I was antifa. Just silly children, high school stuff.”

She was exiled from the Jan. 6 Twitter spaces. She started one of her own that filled with people who wielded the best weapon against a cult.

“Facts,” she said.

She came to understand how she and others became members of the Trump cult.

“It’s called love-bombing,” she said. “He’s a rescuer trying to save the world, you know.”

On Monday, Hemphill responded to Trump with fact on Truth Social. And it was not because she favors any of the other presidential candidates.

“Too bad we don’t have a Black woman running,” she said.
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Jon Solomon came out a week ago saying that they do not even have that document. Surprisingly it's been known and ignored by a lot of the people posting about it here.
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Jon Solomon came out a week ago saying that they do not even have that document. Surprisingly it's been known and ignored by a lot of the people posting about it here.


Interesting.

This case against Trump becomes more bullshit by the day.

So how did they even obtain knowledge of the details of this conversation in the first place?
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Jan. 6 Convict Tells the Truth About Trump: He’s a Cult Boss

Actual truth has erupted on Truth Social.

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It came on Monday, after Donald Trump posted a compound falsehood.

“AMERICAN JUSTICE: 69-year-old Grandma with Cancer given more prison time for walking inside US Capitol than Hunter Biden for sharing classified documents with foreign regimes and multi-million dollar bribery schemes.”

Trump endorsed the lies with a one word comment.

“HORRIBLE.”

But then that same grandma with cancer, who is actually 70, came right at him.

“Please @realDonaldTrump don’t be using me for anything, I’m not a victim of Jan 6, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty! #StopTheSpin,” Pamela Hemphill of Idaho wrote on the platform.

She added that Trump should not compare her to the current president’s son.

“He didn’t try to attack the Capitol!” she tweeted.

Pamela Hemphill in a crowd of Jan. 6 rioters

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Hemphill says that until three months ago she was under the spell of what she calls “the Trump cult.” She attended the Jan. 6 rally as a self-appointed “citizen journalist” and videographer after her brother gave her a plane ticket to Washington. He was trying to lift her spirits as she fought breast cancer.

“My brother calls, says, ‘Hey, you, since you’re going to start chemotherapy, why don’t you go see Trump and video-record that?’” she told The Daily Beast. “I said I couldn’t afford it. But he said, ‘I’ll give it to you for a Christmas present.’”

Three days after Christmas, Hemphill announced on Facebook that she was going to Washington.

“It’s not going to be a FUN Trump rally that is planned for January 6th, it’s a WAR!”

She added, “The fight for America is REAL, show up. I don’t need to hear your excuses!” We have no second chances. If Millions, and I mean Millions show up, we may have a chance. FIND A WAY!”

That New Year’s Eve, a friend posted on Facebook what Hemphill says was just a joke photo of her holding a plastic rifle.

“Happy New Year! On my way to Washington on January 6,” the caption read.

Pamela Hemphill holding a plastic gun

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Hemphill later said that she had not realized how lost she had become.

“You don’t see it as a cult when you’re in it,” she told The Daily Beast. “You don’t recognize it.”

She says she still had 40 stitches from her breast surgery when she was caught up in the rush into the Capitol building. She credits one of the cops with saving her from serious injury. A combination of excitement and pain medication caused her to then urge the crowd to go on in, she says

“This is your house. Your house!” she can be heard saying on her own video.

Facebook posts about Pamela Hemphill's presence at the Capitol on Jan. 6

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That next morning, she flew back to Boise. She was home eight months later when FBI agents arrived at her door and arrested her. They were nothing like the jackbooted feds of far-right fictions.

“The FBI were really good to me,” she recalled. “They just have procedures. It’s just what they do.”

The agents agreed to let her just sit down and collect herself.

“I said, ‘I gotta vape for a minute here. I’m nervous. I’ve never been in jail in my life,’” she recalled.

After Hemphill pleaded guilty to invading the Capitol, she was sentenced to 60 days in prison. In mid-July of last year, she paid two months rent in advance and surrendered at the federal prison in Dublin, California. She says that a large number of her fellow inmates were “cartel women.” They had not forgotten Trump’s diatribes against Mexican immigrants and they knew what being a Jan. 6 prisoner meant.

“They hate Trump,” she said. “I was lucky to get out.”

Hemphill says the 60 days felt like an eternity, and during the long hours she started to understand why the “cartel women” felt the way they did about Trump. She said she had deepening doubts that the election had really been stolen.

“I was starting to see things,” she recalled. “I was back and forth, not knowing what to believe.”

But Trumpism kept its hold on her until after she was back home and family members began speaking hard truth to her just as she had to alcoholics and drug abusers before she retired as a substance abuse counselor.

“Telling me, ‘Pam, you’re in a cult. You really need to get out of that… We really care about you, but this is a cult. You’re trapped in a cult,’” she recalled.

She began to see the Trump who had been there all along.

“I started seeing the narcissistic behavior,” she recalled. “And I said, ‘Wait, wait, this is gaslighting. This is not true.’” She began to listen to what her gut had been telling her.

“I never liked how he talked to people anyway,” she recalled. “He’s rude. He’s very mean to people.”

She discerned the truth about “fake news.”

“Tell everybody it’s fake news and they don’t listen to that news,” she said.

She became angry when Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and others spoke of her as a victim.

“What’s happened is they're using me like a victim,” Hemphill said. “I’m not a victim. I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, period. I mean, I was trespassing. I had a choice—I could have left.”

And she was disturbed by the ongoing Trump mania.

“All those flags with his picture on it and T-shirts,” she said. “It’s like, ‘Wait, you guys, this is getting a little weird.’”

In the meantime, other Jan. 6 participants and their supporters were bombarding Hemphill with texts and tweets.

“Just telling me all their victimness, gaslighting,” she recalled. “And I started saying, ‘Wait, wait, wait. You guys, the officers were nice to me. I don’t see what you’re talking about.’ I started hearing all their lies, their stories. I said, ‘Wait, it doesn’t look like [the police] started anything.’”

Jordan Klepper Grills Jan. 6 Trump Supporter Who Confesses: ‘I Just Got Out of a Cult’

In April, Hemphill finally broke the spell. She told herself what her family had been telling her.

“I said, ‘This is it. Pam, this is a cult. Just face it. Back away a hundred percent,’” she recalled.

Those still deep in the cult were furious.

“I started debunking them and they got mad at me and they started getting more mad at me and started a smear campaign on me,” Hemphill recalled. “That I was a fed agent. That I was antifa. Just silly children, high school stuff.”

She was exiled from the Jan. 6 Twitter spaces. She started one of her own that filled with people who wielded the best weapon against a cult.

“Facts,” she said.

She came to understand how she and others became members of the Trump cult.

“It’s called love-bombing,” she said. “He’s a rescuer trying to save the world, you know.”

On Monday, Hemphill responded to Trump with fact on Truth Social. And it was not because she favors any of the other presidential candidates.

“Too bad we don’t have a Black woman running,” she said.

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I like how they post what these "converts" say after their coercion and struggle session by the commie Feds, as if it is some kind of meaningful revelation.
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All along, I have assumed that this was a bullshit charge, and politically driven.  The hypocrisy of charging him when Hillary was not charged was outrageous and depressing to me.
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All along, I have assumed that this was a bullshit charge, and politically driven.  The hypocrisy of charging him when Hillary was not charged was outrageous and depressing to me.


There was an investigation done by the FBI and headed up by the Trump appointed Director and AG and concluded that there was not sufficient evidence to bring charges, just because Hillary is better at not getting caught red handed doesn't change what Trump did.

 Plus, the fact that Trump HAD the authority to de-classify anything he wanted before he left office made the entire thing seem silly and ridiculous to me.  


Wether or not he did or didn't declassify anything doesn't matter and is irrelevant under the espionage act, the law says it has to be related to national defense and not public, this covers non-classfied non-public defense information as well as classified information, hell the classification system didn't even exist when the law was written.



It would be unprovable that he didn't declassify (since there doesn't seem to be any specific process required), so why even bother going after him?


That's absolutely not true, there are specific processes required. If those processes were followed there are very detailed and traceable records of it.



But, IF that recording is real, then I do think Trump has fucked himself here.  I mean, if a prosecutor hears this recording, and has confirmation it is real (presumably by interviewing the other people/witnesses who were present), is there really a choice?  I think they pretty much have to prosecute, since Trump is on tape admitting to willfully violating the law.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hillary should have been prosecuted, and potentially gone to jail, and I am still angry and disappointed that didn't happen.   


The DOJ doesn't get to decide if she gets prosecuted, a federal grand jury does and there is jurisprudence around probable cause required to get a judge to empanel a grande jury.



But, I can also see how her high-powered and expensive legal defense could have created a lot of doubt and ambiguity if it went to court.  But the audio recording of Trump pretty much removes all doubt and ambiguity in this case.  He is openly admitting that he did not de-classify the documents, and he is deliberately showing them to uncleared people.  That seems pretty open and shut.



If you read the indictment they have waaaaaaay more than just this tape, they have multiple tapes, and they have corroborating testimony for the tapes, they pierced attorney client privileges and got trump's lawyers notes and emails where they documented his attempts to get the lawyers to commit crimes on his behalf, this shit is BEYOND open and shut.
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While he is saying that, he is shuffling through newspaper clippings.  Simply illustrating a point.  That's why they are all laughing.  
The entire narrative is fake.
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“Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this,” <——— Crime


While he is saying that, he is shuffling through newspaper clippings.  Simply illustrating a point.  That's why they are all laughing.  
The entire narrative is fake.

So what about the sworn testimony taken from the other people in the room who corroborated what it was, what he said, and what he showed them?
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There was an investigation done by the FBI and headed up by the Trump appointed Director and AG and concluded that there was not sufficient evidence to bring charges, just because Hillary is better at not getting caught red handed doesn't change what Trump did.
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That's a lie and totally disingenuous.

There was ample evidence of her crimes including destruction of evidence and destruction of government records.

There wasn't a real investigation, there was a cover up. Because Clinton's crimes lead to a cobal of criminals and treasonous activity.
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I work in Information Protection, but am not familiar with the intricacies of retaining classified by former presidents or vice presidents. Both appear that they may have mishandled classified. On the surface it looks like Trump's storage was slightly better than Biden's garage and offices. Was there any DISCLOSURE of classified? Trump may have waved some documents around in front of people, but did he let them read it, copy it, etc. Hilary definitely disclosed classified by sending over unsecured fax, email, etc.
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They're not even charging him with disclosure they're charging him with willful retention, disclosure doesn't even matter.
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They're not even charging him with disclosure they're charging him with willful retention, disclosure doesn't even matter.
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Of which the Presidential records act gives him full authority to do.

They are trying to loophole everything and circumvent past precedent to go after Trump for political purposes.
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Trump is a billionaire (right?). He could set up any lawyer for life just working for him. And yet, he can't manage to hang onto any.

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Looking at the indictment it's clear from his own lawyers notes that Trump was intentionally trying to hang them out to dry for obstruction.
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Interesting how audio suggests whatever the documents are, they were given ("presented") to him after he left office.
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DOD and the Joint Chiefs don't "present" contingency operations plans to anyone once they're not authorized.
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Looking at the indictment it's clear from his own lawyers notes that Trump was intentionally trying to hang them out to dry for obstruction.
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It is interesting that the Feds are also so willingly to violate his attorney client privilege.
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Giving Trump equal and fair treatment should be the utmost importance. If it was then Trump would be allowed to retain documents he considered personal and private as presidents before him have been allowed to do.
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At no point would contingency operations plans, nuclear capabilities assessments (which is the only classified documents the president CAN'T declassify), human intelligence reports and source lists ever be considered personal and private.
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Audio fails to establish when and by whom the classified documents were presented to Trump.

Audio fails to exclude whether the other person(s) in the room weren't already in possession after being given same documents by someone other than Trump.

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Did you even read the indictment? All of that is spelled out.
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At no point would contingency operations plans, nuclear capabilities assessments (which is the only classified documents the president CAN'T declassify), human intelligence reports and source lists ever be considered personal and private.
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For Trump.

For the rest a ok. Can even sell them to the enemy and launder tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments to your family.
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Sounds like he was referencing newspaper and and other printed media, not printouts from classified systems. He was probably alluding to what the media printed as being “highly confidential” as in leaked. This is complete BS and nothing but propaganda by CNN.
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They got testimony from the people in the room who confirmed it was all exactly what they say it is.
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It is interesting that the Feds are also so willingly to violate his attorney client privilege.
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Looking at the indictment it's clear from his own lawyers notes that Trump was intentionally trying to hang them out to dry for obstruction.


It is interesting that the Feds are also so willingly to violate his attorney client privilege.


When his lawyers are part of the criminal conspiracy there is no attorney client privilege.

Mental gymnastics.
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When his lawyers are part of the criminal conspiracy there is no attorney client privilege.

Mental gymnastics.
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Looking at the indictment it's clear from his own lawyers notes that Trump was intentionally trying to hang them out to dry for obstruction.


It is interesting that the Feds are also so willingly to violate his attorney client privilege.


When his lawyers are part of the criminal conspiracy there is no attorney client privilege.

Mental gymnastics.


Yes they are using lots of mental gymnastics.

Typical for leftists and tyrants.
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That's a lie and totally disingenuous.

There was ample evidence of her crimes including destruction of evidence and destruction of government records.

There wasn't a real investigation, there was a cover up. Because Clinton's crimes lead to a cobal of criminals and treasonous activity.
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Yep. Huge whopper to start a long post. When your first statement is that bad there isn’t going to be anything worth reading
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They didn't violate it, they got a crime/fraud exception ruling.  Privilege doesn't apply if there is sufficient evidence privilege is furthering crime or fraud, they had a court case and everything.
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Of which the Presidential records act gives him full authority to do.

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No it absolutely doesn't.
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That's a lie and totally disingenuous.

There was ample evidence of her crimes including destruction of evidence and destruction of government records.

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Apparently Trump, two AGs, a special council, and a federal judge don't agree with your assessment.
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Jan. 6 Convict Tells the Truth About Trump: He’s a Cult Boss

Actual truth has erupted on Truth Social.

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It came on Monday, after Donald Trump posted a compound falsehood.

“AMERICAN JUSTICE: 69-year-old Grandma with Cancer given more prison time for walking inside US Capitol than Hunter Biden for sharing classified documents with foreign regimes and multi-million dollar bribery schemes.”

Trump endorsed the lies with a one word comment.

“HORRIBLE.”

But then that same grandma with cancer, who is actually 70, came right at him.

“Please @realDonaldTrump don’t be using me for anything, I’m not a victim of Jan 6, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty! #StopTheSpin,” Pamela Hemphill of Idaho wrote on the platform.

She added that Trump should not compare her to the current president’s son.

“He didn’t try to attack the Capitol!” she tweeted.

Pamela Hemphill in a crowd of Jan. 6 rioters

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Hemphill says that until three months ago she was under the spell of what she calls “the Trump cult.” She attended the Jan. 6 rally as a self-appointed “citizen journalist” and videographer after her brother gave her a plane ticket to Washington. He was trying to lift her spirits as she fought breast cancer.

“My brother calls, says, ‘Hey, you, since you’re going to start chemotherapy, why don’t you go see Trump and video-record that?’” she told The Daily Beast. “I said I couldn’t afford it. But he said, ‘I’ll give it to you for a Christmas present.’”

Three days after Christmas, Hemphill announced on Facebook that she was going to Washington.

“It’s not going to be a FUN Trump rally that is planned for January 6th, it’s a WAR!”

She added, “The fight for America is REAL, show up. I don’t need to hear your excuses!” We have no second chances. If Millions, and I mean Millions show up, we may have a chance. FIND A WAY!”

That New Year’s Eve, a friend posted on Facebook what Hemphill says was just a joke photo of her holding a plastic rifle.

“Happy New Year! On my way to Washington on January 6,” the caption read.

Pamela Hemphill holding a plastic gun

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Hemphill later said that she had not realized how lost she had become.

“You don’t see it as a cult when you’re in it,” she told The Daily Beast. “You don’t recognize it.”

She says she still had 40 stitches from her breast surgery when she was caught up in the rush into the Capitol building. She credits one of the cops with saving her from serious injury. A combination of excitement and pain medication caused her to then urge the crowd to go on in, she says

“This is your house. Your house!” she can be heard saying on her own video.

Facebook posts about Pamela Hemphill's presence at the Capitol on Jan. 6

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Xx9.55JzBAyEkhQtmHEnjQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thedailybeast.com/7b34368b069543798b54e4f7fe7f1216

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That next morning, she flew back to Boise. She was home eight months later when FBI agents arrived at her door and arrested her. They were nothing like the jackbooted feds of far-right fictions.

“The FBI were really good to me,” she recalled. “They just have procedures. It’s just what they do.”

The agents agreed to let her just sit down and collect herself.

“I said, ‘I gotta vape for a minute here. I’m nervous. I’ve never been in jail in my life,’” she recalled.

After Hemphill pleaded guilty to invading the Capitol, she was sentenced to 60 days in prison. In mid-July of last year, she paid two months rent in advance and surrendered at the federal prison in Dublin, California. She says that a large number of her fellow inmates were “cartel women.” They had not forgotten Trump’s diatribes against Mexican immigrants and they knew what being a Jan. 6 prisoner meant.

“They hate Trump,” she said. “I was lucky to get out.”

Hemphill says the 60 days felt like an eternity, and during the long hours she started to understand why the “cartel women” felt the way they did about Trump. She said she had deepening doubts that the election had really been stolen.

“I was starting to see things,” she recalled. “I was back and forth, not knowing what to believe.”

But Trumpism kept its hold on her until after she was back home and family members began speaking hard truth to her just as she had to alcoholics and drug abusers before she retired as a substance abuse counselor.

“Telling me, ‘Pam, you’re in a cult. You really need to get out of that… We really care about you, but this is a cult. You’re trapped in a cult,’” she recalled.

She began to see the Trump who had been there all along.

“I started seeing the narcissistic behavior,” she recalled. “And I said, ‘Wait, wait, this is gaslighting. This is not true.’” She began to listen to what her gut had been telling her.

“I never liked how he talked to people anyway,” she recalled. “He’s rude. He’s very mean to people.”

She discerned the truth about “fake news.”

“Tell everybody it’s fake news and they don’t listen to that news,” she said.

She became angry when Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and others spoke of her as a victim.

“What’s happened is they're using me like a victim,” Hemphill said. “I’m not a victim. I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, period. I mean, I was trespassing. I had a choice—I could have left.”

And she was disturbed by the ongoing Trump mania.

“All those flags with his picture on it and T-shirts,” she said. “It’s like, ‘Wait, you guys, this is getting a little weird.’”

In the meantime, other Jan. 6 participants and their supporters were bombarding Hemphill with texts and tweets.

“Just telling me all their victimness, gaslighting,” she recalled. “And I started saying, ‘Wait, wait, wait. You guys, the officers were nice to me. I don’t see what you’re talking about.’ I started hearing all their lies, their stories. I said, ‘Wait, it doesn’t look like [the police] started anything.’”

Jordan Klepper Grills Jan. 6 Trump Supporter Who Confesses: ‘I Just Got Out of a Cult’

In April, Hemphill finally broke the spell. She told herself what her family had been telling her.

“I said, ‘This is it. Pam, this is a cult. Just face it. Back away a hundred percent,’” she recalled.

Those still deep in the cult were furious.

“I started debunking them and they got mad at me and they started getting more mad at me and started a smear campaign on me,” Hemphill recalled. “That I was a fed agent. That I was antifa. Just silly children, high school stuff.”

She was exiled from the Jan. 6 Twitter spaces. She started one of her own that filled with people who wielded the best weapon against a cult.

“Facts,” she said.

She came to understand how she and others became members of the Trump cult.

“It’s called love-bombing,” she said. “He’s a rescuer trying to save the world, you know.”

On Monday, Hemphill responded to Trump with fact on Truth Social. And it was not because she favors any of the other presidential candidates.

“Too bad we don’t have a Black woman running,” she said.
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“A combination of excitement and pain medication caused her to then urge the crowd to go on in, she says”

“Too bad we don’t have a Black woman running,” she said.”

Yea. Sounds like a lot of the N_Ts I’ve interacted with.
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He is a very stupid person with a very large ego.

Dangerous combination.
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Jan. 6 Convict Tells the Truth About Trump: He’s a Cult Boss

Actual truth has erupted on Truth Social.

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It came on Monday, after Donald Trump posted a compound falsehood.

“AMERICAN JUSTICE: 69-year-old Grandma with Cancer given more prison time for walking inside US Capitol than Hunter Biden for sharing classified documents with foreign regimes and multi-million dollar bribery schemes.”

Trump endorsed the lies with a one word comment.

“HORRIBLE.”

But then that same grandma with cancer, who is actually 70, came right at him.

“Please @realDonaldTrump don’t be using me for anything, I’m not a victim of Jan 6, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty! #StopTheSpin,” Pamela Hemphill of Idaho wrote on the platform.

She added that Trump should not compare her to the current president’s son.

“He didn’t try to attack the Capitol!” she tweeted.

Pamela Hemphill in a crowd of Jan. 6 rioters

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Hemphill says that until three months ago she was under the spell of what she calls “the Trump cult.” She attended the Jan. 6 rally as a self-appointed “citizen journalist” and videographer after her brother gave her a plane ticket to Washington. He was trying to lift her spirits as she fought breast cancer.

“My brother calls, says, ‘Hey, you, since you’re going to start chemotherapy, why don’t you go see Trump and video-record that?’” she told The Daily Beast. “I said I couldn’t afford it. But he said, ‘I’ll give it to you for a Christmas present.’”

Three days after Christmas, Hemphill announced on Facebook that she was going to Washington.

“It’s not going to be a FUN Trump rally that is planned for January 6th, it’s a WAR!”

She added, “The fight for America is REAL, show up. I don’t need to hear your excuses!” We have no second chances. If Millions, and I mean Millions show up, we may have a chance. FIND A WAY!”

That New Year’s Eve, a friend posted on Facebook what Hemphill says was just a joke photo of her holding a plastic rifle.

“Happy New Year! On my way to Washington on January 6,” the caption read.

Pamela Hemphill holding a plastic gun

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Hemphill later said that she had not realized how lost she had become.

“You don’t see it as a cult when you’re in it,” she told The Daily Beast. “You don’t recognize it.”

She says she still had 40 stitches from her breast surgery when she was caught up in the rush into the Capitol building. She credits one of the cops with saving her from serious injury. A combination of excitement and pain medication caused her to then urge the crowd to go on in, she says

“This is your house. Your house!” she can be heard saying on her own video.

Facebook posts about Pamela Hemphill's presence at the Capitol on Jan. 6

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That next morning, she flew back to Boise. She was home eight months later when FBI agents arrived at her door and arrested her. They were nothing like the jackbooted feds of far-right fictions.

“The FBI were really good to me,” she recalled. “They just have procedures. It’s just what they do.”

The agents agreed to let her just sit down and collect herself.

“I said, ‘I gotta vape for a minute here. I’m nervous. I’ve never been in jail in my life,’” she recalled.

After Hemphill pleaded guilty to invading the Capitol, she was sentenced to 60 days in prison. In mid-July of last year, she paid two months rent in advance and surrendered at the federal prison in Dublin, California. She says that a large number of her fellow inmates were “cartel women.” They had not forgotten Trump’s diatribes against Mexican immigrants and they knew what being a Jan. 6 prisoner meant.

“They hate Trump,” she said. “I was lucky to get out.”

Hemphill says the 60 days felt like an eternity, and during the long hours she started to understand why the “cartel women” felt the way they did about Trump. She said she had deepening doubts that the election had really been stolen.

“I was starting to see things,” she recalled. “I was back and forth, not knowing what to believe.”

But Trumpism kept its hold on her until after she was back home and family members began speaking hard truth to her just as she had to alcoholics and drug abusers before she retired as a substance abuse counselor.

“Telling me, ‘Pam, you’re in a cult. You really need to get out of that… We really care about you, but this is a cult. You’re trapped in a cult,’” she recalled.

She began to see the Trump who had been there all along.

“I started seeing the narcissistic behavior,” she recalled. “And I said, ‘Wait, wait, this is gaslighting. This is not true.’” She began to listen to what her gut had been telling her.

“I never liked how he talked to people anyway,” she recalled. “He’s rude. He’s very mean to people.”

She discerned the truth about “fake news.”

“Tell everybody it’s fake news and they don’t listen to that news,” she said.

She became angry when Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and others spoke of her as a victim.

“What’s happened is they're using me like a victim,” Hemphill said. “I’m not a victim. I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, period. I mean, I was trespassing. I had a choice—I could have left.”

And she was disturbed by the ongoing Trump mania.

“All those flags with his picture on it and T-shirts,” she said. “It’s like, ‘Wait, you guys, this is getting a little weird.’”

In the meantime, other Jan. 6 participants and their supporters were bombarding Hemphill with texts and tweets.

“Just telling me all their victimness, gaslighting,” she recalled. “And I started saying, ‘Wait, wait, wait. You guys, the officers were nice to me. I don’t see what you’re talking about.’ I started hearing all their lies, their stories. I said, ‘Wait, it doesn’t look like [the police] started anything.’”

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In April, Hemphill finally broke the spell. She told herself what her family had been telling her.

“I said, ‘This is it. Pam, this is a cult. Just face it. Back away a hundred percent,’” she recalled.

Those still deep in the cult were furious.

“I started debunking them and they got mad at me and they started getting more mad at me and started a smear campaign on me,” Hemphill recalled. “That I was a fed agent. That I was antifa. Just silly children, high school stuff.”

She was exiled from the Jan. 6 Twitter spaces. She started one of her own that filled with people who wielded the best weapon against a cult.

“Facts,” she said.

She came to understand how she and others became members of the Trump cult.

“It’s called love-bombing,” she said. “He’s a rescuer trying to save the world, you know.”

On Monday, Hemphill responded to Trump with fact on Truth Social. And it was not because she favors any of the other presidential candidates.

“Too bad we don’t have a Black woman running,” she said.
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That's a lie and totally disingenuous.

There was ample evidence of her crimes including destruction of evidence and destruction of government records.

There wasn't a real investigation, there was a cover up. Because Clinton's crimes lead to a cobal of criminals and treasonous activity.
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There was an investigation done by the FBI and headed up by the Trump appointed Director and AG and concluded that there was not sufficient evidence to bring charges, just because Hillary is better at not getting caught red handed doesn't change what Trump did.


That's a lie and totally disingenuous.

There was ample evidence of her crimes including destruction of evidence and destruction of government records.

There wasn't a real investigation, there was a cover up. Because Clinton's crimes lead to a cobal of criminals and treasonous activity.
And in the end, DONALD TRUMP PUSSIED OUT AND DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
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