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Posted: 6/28/2023 12:38:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unlike the morans here that insist Chicago pizza has to be deep dish, I'm asking those who rave about NYC to tell me how to define it, and where to go (with my admittedly unfair Manhattan qualifier, however). Often par cooked and sitting out on display, along with several other pies (10 or more). You indicate the slice(s) you want, they get reheated in the oven for a few minutes, you take them and enjoy. Street food, basically. The crust is foldable---so not a cracker, like a blackened bottom Neapolitan style pie---somewhat doughy and springy in texture, but not as doughy as a California chain pizzeria (i worked in a Round Table in HS) or as sloppy as a deep-dish or pan pizza. Sauce is usually tomato based, mildly spiced with oregano and marjoram, cheese is predominantly mozzarella with a few other cheeses for texture and flavor. The slice places I mentioned in an earlier post are good examples of the style. Then there's the coal oven, Neapolitan or adjacent style. Crust is blackened on the bottom. It.may have some spring, but usually cannot be bent into a U shape. Cheeses are usually artisanal, as are the toppings. (I had guanciale at Razza. Good, wouldn't seek that topping out again.) Cooked once, and freshness is key. Biga Pizza, the Montana (Missoula) restaurant I mentioned, makes this kind, and it's frankly better than Razza's. I imagine Lombardi's will be in this style, but I've not tried it. In both, the taste of the crust is very important and distinctive from either Chicago's pizzerias (I've tried Lou's, Uno, Due) or the California ones I mentioned. Or Nick's Place in Houston, which otherwise is on point for excellent pizza. (And E Coast attitude. Or efficiency, depending on your POV) Kind of a hint of the aroma from homemade pain au levain. But not sour. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 12:38:44 PM EST
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I saw a brilliant piece of graffiti once-
“If you don’t like NYC, don’t go” |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 12:41:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not he lest bit interested in restaurants, broadway or museums. Glad I stayed home. Much prefer flying airplanes, motorcycles, and hiking the wildwoods…… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Manhattan has the greatest density of great restaurants in the country. Broadway, museums, art galleries… I’m a NYC hater, but try to be at least realistic about it… Also had a great time in Manhattan this Spring (good thing about single digit temps is that it minimizes the freak factor in Times Square). Saw a couple of shows, went to some outstanding restaurants, visited some museums, saw my son play at Carnegie Hall. I’m not he lest bit interested in restaurants, broadway or museums. Glad I stayed home. Much prefer flying airplanes, motorcycles, and hiking the wildwoods…… They have airplanes, motorcycles and hiking in NYC. Book a plane to fly out of LGA, Rent a SuperMoto to duel cabbies through the canyons of buildings. Hike Harlem for the wildwoods. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 12:51:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unlike the morans here that insist Chicago pizza has to be deep dish, I'm asking those who rave about NYC to tell me how to define it, and where to go (with my admittedly unfair Manhattan qualifier, however). Your answer has already been given. I ate a lot of pizza in Chicago too. They have some good non-Chicago-style pizza, but overall, I thought their regular pizza was nothing special. I contend that the median pizza in Chicago is worse than the median pizza in Manhattan. You can certainly find good pizza and shit pizza in both places. I admit I haven’t been to Chicago in a while, and that I didn’t have as much information on where to go in Chicago as I did for NYC, but I did go to places that were “famous” for their pizza and wasn’t as impressed as I was by the places I ate in NYC. NY/NJ just owns pizza. You can bitch and moan all you want, but there just isn’t much of an argument to be made that any other place can really compete. I say this as no big fan of either place. I don’t really know exactly why - some say it’s the water, maybe it’s the technique - fuck, I don’t know… but they make the best pizza I ever ate there. NYC is the best food city in the US in general. It’s a ways to second place (Chicago, LA, New Orleans, Boston are all strong contenders). I think it rather sucks that all of the best food cities are painfully liberal, but that’s just the way it is. Oddly enough, I had excellent pizza in Aruba… go figure. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 12:51:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotta say OP, I lived WAY out in the hills and was perfectly content with my horses, cattle and guns Seeing NYC was something my wife had wanted to do since she was a little girl so I surprised her on her 35th birthday and booked a week-long trip. I ended up enjoying myself. The entire trip was worth it seeing how excited she was and how much fun she had. I was this guy before I visited. Same reaction after visiting. Had a blast, even with work. I loved that everyone (at least where I was) seems to have their shit together: know where you're going, what you're buying, what you're being asked. "Move with purpose," as the army drill sergeant said in that youtube video to new recruits getting off the bus. (And I've never been hustled there in the stereotypical way you get in, e.g., New Orleans. Of course, I didn't take up the very nice man wanting me to ride in his pedicab 6 blocks. Or the equally nice guy sitting at a chess table in Washington Square...) If you're lost, get out of the middle of the sidewalk, and fix yourself. Know what you're doing, and prepare beforehand. If you're running to make a flight, move left; if you're just moving along, stay right, and so on. And don't let youself get screwed. I stuck my foot in the closing Alden store door, because their sign said they were open for another half hour, I knew what I wanted, and insisted on trying them. Found the pair I liked (having the SKUs at hand from their catalog helped), bought them, and the whole thing took maybe 10 minutes. Happy me, happy store guy. If you can do that (and float on a river of money) you'll like NY. At least to visit. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 12:52:34 PM EST
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Quoted: So I can wear my Glock 19, it’s so safe, right? Only if you want to spend a year being bent over by Antwon and Donrell. They can do whatever they want but the system will hit you like a ton of bricks. And a lot of tourist attractions have metal detectors. Plus the Police respond to all airport checkins where a firearm is declared. You can fly into NY with a gun but they arrest you when you try to leave. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 1:08:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotta say OP, I lived WAY out in the hills and was perfectly content with my horses, cattle and guns Seeing NYC was something my wife had wanted to do since she was a little girl so I surprised her on her 35th birthday and booked a week-long trip. I ended up enjoying myself. The entire trip was worth it seeing how excited she was and how much fun she had. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 1:33:48 PM EST
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New York is about anti American as you can get at this point and people say to support them and ignore the issues, but when it comes to chinese optics such as primary arms and vortex...
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:10:27 PM EST
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My former company closed its local office in NYC and the property owner was willing to give them 2 months off their rent if they would sign a 2yr lease. 5mo off if they signed a 3yr lease.
With 100% remote workers, my former CEO said "NOPE". None of my co-workers there were disappointed. 2 had been mugged, all of them had had personal belongings stolen, one was in the hospital after an unprovoked attack. NYPD is about as inept and corrupt as they come - found out the rat who assaulted my co-worker is a nephew of one of the fuckwads in charge and he pled down to a midomeanor charge and no jail time or restitution or probation. No terrorist wants to bomb NYC - its already a shithole/waste of ammo. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:25:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably the only reason I would go there- to please the lady. And only then after every other option was exhausted. Don't really give a crap about the rest of it. No such thing as "great " or "amazing " food. It's either good or bad or really good or really bad. Museums? Eh. Sights? That's what 4K tv is for. Theatre? Why support a bunch of unknown pronoun people pretending to be other people. Prefer to spend my time and money where sane people and policies prevail. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gotta say OP, I lived WAY out in the hills and was perfectly content with my horses, cattle and guns Seeing NYC was something my wife had wanted to do since she was a little girl so I surprised her on her 35th birthday and booked a week-long trip. I ended up enjoying myself. The entire trip was worth it seeing how excited she was and how much fun she had. I think it's safe to say that anyone who thinks seeing an image on 4k TV, or any other format, is anything akin to actually being somewhere, is not someone who will ever understand. I wouldn't expect such a person to appreciate an exhibit in a museum either. Or a live performance. Why, when you can watch a recording, or watch a movie, right? |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:28:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably the only reason I would go there- to please the lady. And only then after every other option was exhausted. Don't really give a crap about the rest of it. No such thing as "great " or "amazing " food. It's either good or bad or really good or really bad. Museums? Eh. Sights? That's what 4K tv is for. Theatre? Why support a bunch of unknown pronoun people pretending to be other people. Prefer to spend my time and money where sane people and policies prevail. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gotta say OP, I lived WAY out in the hills and was perfectly content with my horses, cattle and guns Seeing NYC was something my wife had wanted to do since she was a little girl so I surprised her on her 35th birthday and booked a week-long trip. I ended up enjoying myself. The entire trip was worth it seeing how excited she was and how much fun she had. What an incredibly depressing way to live. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:35:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD told me there were no horse carriage rides in Central Park anymore either. Maybe it's best not to confuse what one political faction or another is advocating, with reality. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cross pizza off the list of reasons to go, I guess. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/Screenshot_20230628_125606_DuckDuckGo_jp-2866585.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/nyc-pizza-oven-crackdown-heats-up-v0-hv6-2866587.JPG  GD told me there were no horse carriage rides in Central Park anymore either. Maybe it's best not to confuse what one political faction or another is advocating, with reality. 
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:42:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What an incredibly depressing way to live. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gotta say OP, I lived WAY out in the hills and was perfectly content with my horses, cattle and guns Seeing NYC was something my wife had wanted to do since she was a little girl so I surprised her on her 35th birthday and booked a week-long trip. I ended up enjoying myself. The entire trip was worth it seeing how excited she was and how much fun she had. What an incredibly depressing way to live. I love traveling across our country and seeing the sights, eating the food, and meeting folks. The United States is by far the most cosmopolitan nation ever with such a vast variety of cultures and histories. My latest trip to Wyoming was wonderful. Driving through quaint little towns tucked away in the mountains, visiting the Wind River Indian Reservation, seeing the tourist sights, visiting the Cody museums, and eating some fantastic Wyoming beef was awesome. The US, for all of its faults, is an amazing place and honestly there is so much to see within our borders. That you can spend a lifetime doing that and never leave US Jurisdiction. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:44:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's safe to say that anyone who thinks seeing an image on 4k TV, or any other format, is anything akin to actually being somewhere, is not someone who will ever understand. I wouldn't expect such a person to appreciate an exhibit in a museum either. Or a live performance. Why, when you can watch a recording, or watch a movie, right? |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:50:32 PM EST
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:51:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What an incredibly depressing way to live. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 2:52:39 PM EST
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Fun place to go get stabbed
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:10:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fun place to go get stabbed Don’t be so easily frightened. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:14:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How dare he not like what you like. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What an incredibly depressing way to live. This seems to have negatively impacted you. Might I recommend travel to heal the wounds we've exposed in this thread? |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:24:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's safe to say that anyone who thinks seeing an image on 4k TV, or any other format, is anything akin to actually being somewhere, is not someone who will ever understand. I wouldn't expect such a person to appreciate an exhibit in a museum either. Or a live performance. Why, when you can watch a recording, or watch a movie, right? Well,at least by seeing it on his TV he's avoiding the stench |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:27:41 PM EST
[#21]
Well why do you go to the zoo?
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:32:49 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you can’t find something to enjoy in NYC, you are miserable in all aspects of life. It’s not a place I’d live, but the food and drink alone are fantastic. That is to say nothing of the history. It’s not a place I need to see more than once, but I’m glad I have gone. It was a ton of fun - and I’m not a fan of cities in general. Sir this is ARFCOM, you were expecting the throngs of the tender tummy brigade to discuss fine food, drinks, and stuff like museums? 98% of folks here think dressing like this and eating at a Subway is culture enough.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 4:50:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What an incredibly depressing way to live. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gotta say OP, I lived WAY out in the hills and was perfectly content with my horses, cattle and guns Seeing NYC was something my wife had wanted to do since she was a little girl so I surprised her on her 35th birthday and booked a week-long trip. I ended up enjoying myself. The entire trip was worth it seeing how excited she was and how much fun she had. What an incredibly depressing way to live. Holy shit… you are correct. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:11:23 PM EST
[#24]
Since authentic NYC pizza is now outlawed no reason to go. And probably means another 100,000 will flee to Florida or Arizona.
Here are some of my recent interactions with New Yorkers in the desert: 1) Saw a coyote (animal not human smuggler) and asked if they should call 911. 2) Hired Mexicans to cut down and remove every plant on their property because of "thorns." 3) Asked if there was a spray, like an insecticide, for lizards. 4) Called a harmless desert iguana (chuckwalla) a "Hula Monster" on the community message board and said its bite was venomous and you will "wish you were dead." 5) Asked me if Phoenix had any plans for a Subway. NYC? lol Get a rope! |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:27:36 PM EST
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I love how the pizza debate made it into this conversation.
Chicago "deep dish" pizza is usually delicious, but it's not pizza. It's an Eye-talian casserole. Pizza is an appetizer. "Deep dish" Eye-talian casserole is a meal. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:32:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how the pizza debate made it into this conversation. Chicago "deep dish" pizza is usually delicious, but it's not pizza. It's an Eye-talian casserole. Pizza is an appetizer. "Deep dish" Eye-talian casserole is a meal. @ Bklyn_Irish What was/is your go to pizza place in Brooklyn? |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 5:43:22 PM EST
[#27]
Libtards and gays love the broadway shows
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:01:49 PM EST
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:09:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How dare he not like what you like. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:11:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since authentic NYC pizza is now outlawed no reason to go. And probably means another 100,000 will flee to Florida or Arizona. When did they "outlaw" authentic NYC pizza? |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:20:29 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Metropolitan museum of art is one of the best museums in the world, paralleled probably only with the Lourve the the museums of London. Bronx Zoo is one of the best zoos in the world. Grand Central is a wonder to behold. St Patrick’s is one of the most beautiful buildings in the country. The restaurants are the best in the world. There’s a lot to admire once you put aside the shitbags governing the place. This. I went to college and graduate school (mid 1970s-1980s) about 16 miles north of midtown Manhattan. Although I never wanted to live there, it had a great deal of things to see, experience. Not sure how the Little Italy in the Bronx is these days but I preferred its restaurants (Arthur Avenue) to Manhattan's Little Italy any day of the week. Many great Italian places in the five boroughs and Westchester County. Many excellent restaurants of all types, as well. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:22:00 PM EST
[#32]
People think they don't like $Trump, but the truth is they just don't like New Yorkers.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:32:46 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When did they "outlaw" authentic NYC pizza? @CTYC313 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66027038 |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:38:22 PM EST
[#34]
Fun to see new things.
If you live in a flyover town with population <10k and near at bigger cities, getting out to see places like NYC, Seattle, London, etc. can be neat. I’ve been to NYC about 2-3 times. Usually by about day 3-4 it’s time to GTFO. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:42:42 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When did they "outlaw" authentic NYC pizza? @CTYC313 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66027038 I'm aware of the proposed rule change, but nothing has been outlawed. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:43:07 PM EST
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Back in the 90's I ran flatbed in and out of NYC 3/4 days a week.
Typically hauling steel into a few places. A couple I remember were Super Stud, maybe in Queens? The other was Ocean Casket Company, hauled in steel sheets. Seems they used it for heavy duty caskets for big and tall people? Going out was bailed garbage to Poland Ohio or Weirton WVA most times, sometimes upstate PA. Almost always picked up at Star on Varrick Ave in Brooklyn. So, there were times I may have been too late to be unloaded or the place I was getting loaded was either really backed up or maybe broke down and this meant I frequently had anywhere from a couple hours to up to 12 hours to either sit in the truck and try to keep the cops off my ass due to NYC even then having anti idling laws or I and usually another company driver went exploring. I got to see lots of interesting historical stuff there, visited a few bars, places to eat, made some friends with some locals, one being a Polish immigrant that made furniture in a rented storage unit. I learned which of the roach coaches had beer stashed inside for the occasional 16 hour or so "layover" when I had to wait for a load. Took a cab down to Chinatown a few times, I don't eat Chinese food but I did have some of the "Americanized" stuff at a few places, bought some cheap knockoffs, hell I was the only driver in our company that had a "Rolex" I bet. The government of NY and NYC suck, some of the people are rotten, some would kill you for looking at them wrong, but it's the most populous city in the US, what do you expect? But then there are the rest, people that are willing to bullshit in a bar, the street performers, whatever. Would I want to live there? No damn way, never, but to go there to check out the sights on someone elses dime? Yeah, I'd do that again. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 8:12:01 PM EST
[#37]
can't wait to go in August.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 8:15:09 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @ Bklyn_Irish What was/is your go to pizza place in Brooklyn? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I love how the pizza debate made it into this conversation. Chicago "deep dish" pizza is usually delicious, but it's not pizza. It's an Eye-talian casserole. Pizza is an appetizer. "Deep dish" Eye-talian casserole is a meal. @ Bklyn_Irish What was/is your go to pizza place in Brooklyn? Rocco's on 79th & 5th. was my local. Pizza Wagon was another favorite. When I didn't mind a bit of a drive, L&B Spumoni Gardens. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 8:32:02 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NY/NJ just owns pizza. You can bitch and moan all you want, but there just isn’t much of an argument to be made that any other place can really compete. I say this as no big fan of either place. I don’t really know exactly why - some say it’s the water, maybe it’s the technique - fuck, I don’t know… but they make the best pizza I ever ate there. It's the water. That's why the bagels are better too. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:03:53 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the water. That's why the bagels are better too. "Bread's no good west of the Colorado. Water's too alkaline..." |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:07:11 PM EST
[#41]
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.” - Mark Twain |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:12:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rocco's on 79th & 5th. was my local. Pizza Wagon was another favorite. When I didn't mind a bit of a drive, L&B Spumoni Gardens. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I love how the pizza debate made it into this conversation. Chicago "deep dish" pizza is usually delicious, but it's not pizza. It's an Eye-talian casserole. Pizza is an appetizer. "Deep dish" Eye-talian casserole is a meal. @ Bklyn_Irish What was/is your go to pizza place in Brooklyn? Rocco's on 79th & 5th. was my local. Pizza Wagon was another favorite. When I didn't mind a bit of a drive, L&B Spumoni Gardens. I've never been to L&B, looks great though. I was a Park Slope guy, Vesuvios on 3rd Ave when I was in Bay Ridge. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:21:09 PM EST
[#43]
I’d like to see the AMNH and the Met, but that’s about it.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:21:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never been to L&B, looks great though. I was a Park Slope guy, Vesuvios on 3rd Ave when I was in Bay Ridge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I love how the pizza debate made it into this conversation. Chicago "deep dish" pizza is usually delicious, but it's not pizza. It's an Eye-talian casserole. Pizza is an appetizer. "Deep dish" Eye-talian casserole is a meal. @ Bklyn_Irish What was/is your go to pizza place in Brooklyn? Rocco's on 79th & 5th. was my local. Pizza Wagon was another favorite. When I didn't mind a bit of a drive, L&B Spumoni Gardens. I've never been to L&B, looks great though. I was a Park Slope guy, Vesuvios on 3rd Ave when I was in Bay Ridge. Another good choice! My mother grew up on 21st. just below Greenwood Cemetery. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:24:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another good choice! My mother grew up on 21st. just below Greenwood Cemetery. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I love how the pizza debate made it into this conversation. Chicago "deep dish" pizza is usually delicious, but it's not pizza. It's an Eye-talian casserole. Pizza is an appetizer. "Deep dish" Eye-talian casserole is a meal. @ Bklyn_Irish What was/is your go to pizza place in Brooklyn? Rocco's on 79th & 5th. was my local. Pizza Wagon was another favorite. When I didn't mind a bit of a drive, L&B Spumoni Gardens. I've never been to L&B, looks great though. I was a Park Slope guy, Vesuvios on 3rd Ave when I was in Bay Ridge. Another good choice! My mother grew up on 21st. just below Greenwood Cemetery.  Not far from Lenny's! |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:31:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the water. That's why the bagels are better too. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 10:42:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is life outside of corn bread and sweet tea. Male cankles and white New Balances by the tender age of 28 followed by 200 blood sugar scores |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 11:01:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This seems to have negatively impacted you. Might I recommend travel to heal the wounds we've exposed in this thread? I'm plenty good on travel, but if it's North of TN you're gonna have to pay me. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 11:27:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're the one bitching about people not wanting to go to NY. I'm plenty good on travel, but if it's North of TN you're gonna have to pay me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This seems to have negatively impacted you. Might I recommend travel to heal the wounds we've exposed in this thread? I'm plenty good on travel, but if it's North of TN you're gonna have to pay me. If you read anything I’ve posted in this thread as bitching that people don’t want to go to NYC, you need to travel north of Tennessee to get some reading comprehension lessons as it’s apparent the south has failed you in this task. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 12:36:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you read anything I've posted in this thread as bitching that people don't want to go to NYC, you need to travel north of Tennessee to get some reading comprehension lessons as it's apparent the south has failed you in this task. I learned to call things what they are. I'm proud of that. |
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