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Link Posted: 9/5/2018 6:10:17 PM EST
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Which one?
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Ok, show me how God doesn't exist .
Which one?
Yeah, that's what it really hinges on in the "marketplace of ideas". Some conceptions are pretty much no better than flat-earth nonsense. A faceless Deistic God/Gods could still exist though.
Link Posted: 9/5/2018 6:12:40 PM EST
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Well you have it all Figuered out so I'll leave this thread myself.
As far as Faith goes , I might have mentioned that in this one.
Just like that scientific theory on the big bang . Not proven yet just theory but lots of people have faith that's its the correct answer .

Funny how that works isn't it.

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So how do you know they are bending facts ?

Are you some all knowing something ?

Because you don't believe what they do that automatically makes you right ?

Where did I make anything up ?

Get over yourself , your not as brilliant as you think you are.
Because people are taking unrelated factoids they've heard and trying to backsplain a semi historical account.

Nope just following the evidence and making hypotheses based on observable evidence. As we find new things we refine them

That we cannot prove the Big Bang. It's a theory based on observation. There is a lot of evidence for it. Lots of good books on it too.

Get over yourself , your not as brilliant as you think you are.
Think about it for a few.

But I don't think I'm brilliant and I don't have to be. There's thousands of people much smarter than myself studying this. Honestly studying it using the scientific method. They have no end goal or predetermined answer they're working towards and then trying to fit the facts into their worldview. As they work we all learn more about ourselves as a species. I read a lot of their books. It's one of my favorite things to read about.

All I've done in this thread is point out a logical fallacy and highlight stuff that's just wrong. You can believe anything you want but don't try to pass it off as anything other than faith.
Well you have it all Figuered out so I'll leave this thread myself.
As far as Faith goes , I might have mentioned that in this one.
Just like that scientific theory on the big bang . Not proven yet just theory but lots of people have faith that's its the correct answer .

Funny how that works isn't it.

Enjoy
Scientific theories are not like a layman's conception of a theory. Science doesn't get proven, that's not how science works. Scientific theories have tons of evidence for them. You literally can't go higher than a scientific theory in science for explaining why something happens. You may be thinking of a hypothesis instead (or just taking/conflating a layman's/reporter's use of the word).
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You don't get to come in and say "No" to recorded history of our ancestors.  Your modern religion placing faith in the scribblings of misguided men bears no relevant merit to the discussion, and your debating skills are non-existent as well.

Eject thineself from the thread until thou hast learned the error of your false prophets, repent, and then consider returning when you're better equipped with 21st Century understanding of various aspects of this discussion.
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There are 3 primary time periods relevant to our progenitors before the flood that are not known to most, but are described in painful detail in The Book of Enoch, which was prevented from being canonized in the 4th Century when they were debating what scriptures would be included.  These periods are:

I. Adam and Eve in the Garden, the fall, banished from the Garden, procreation begins

II. The Watchers (angels assigned to the earth to watch over it) illegally take the daughters of Adam and Eve unto wife, and create an unholy race of giants. The Watchers send Enoch to Heaven to beg for them mercy from God.  The condemnation of the Watchers and their evil seed (giants), the wars of the giants with each other and man, devouring all living things in sight, and the slaughter of the giants among each other by management from righteous angels commanded to ensure they all die before they eat everything and everybody.

III. The Watchers retaliate by teaching surviving mankind (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) sorcery, witchcraft, idolatry, fornication, "a reprobated mystery".  All of mankind except for a few pure bloods and purest blood possible women (3) are told to build the Ark to pass through the coming deluge, which must be released to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh.

Enoch 16: 2-4

Adam and Eve had many children and grandchildren, great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren.....

They lived to be almost 1000yrs old because their DNA had not been corrupted yet.  That was the normal life cycle for a human being until it was corrupted.

Within the generations of Adam, DNA (flesh) was corrupted, which is spelled out in detail in The Book of Enoch.  The picture that is painted in the Book of Enoch tells the history of the Watchers and their perverse acts against humanity.  The Watchers mated with the daughters of Adam and Eve, producing giants, who killed each other off under a managed program to eradicate them from the earth.  The Watchers retaliated by teaching people sorcery (the reprobated mystery).  This created a generation of beings that could not be inhabited by clean spirits, but would house the spirits of the damned from before the world was, the followers of Satan from the Council In Heaven who chose not to receive a physical body, otherwise known as the fallen angels.

Because of the massive scale of human corruption in flesh and behavior under these conditions, the Deluge was necessary to literally cleanse the earth from all life, with the few remaining humans that had gone into hiding and kept their blood (DNA pure), which was only 3 sons of Noah and his wife, with daughters selected by Noah's sons to go into the Ark.  The 3 young women were distant cousins to Noah's sons, not daughters of Noah and his wife, so there are the 8 that went into the Ark from which mankind re-populated from.

After the Great Flood, some of this corrupted DNA still manifest itself through at least one of the lines of Noah, manifested in the Rephaim, Anakim, and Goliath and his bothers amongst the Philistines.  Any post-flood people of God were ordered to exterminate any giants on contact, hence the commandments to the Children of Israel in the Old Testament.

The ancient monuments, statues, and texts of the Babylonians, Sumerians, Akkadians, Egyptians, Indians, Greeks, Ethiopians, and Dead Sea Scrolls tell of these events.  The ancient accounts of the Titans and other giants are not myths, but are history.

We don't live to be 700-999yrs and have not done so for thousands of years, one possibility being that what little corrupt DNA that made it through the flood cross-contaminated throughout mankind shortly after the flood.  You start to see why there is so much emphasis on bloodlines in the Old Testament, among royalty, and ruling classes throughout history.

Noah was a close descendant of Enoch, his great grandfather, and carried the Gospel teachings through the Flood to be passed down.  Most of Noah's children abandoned these teachings and descended into the valleys and far places of the earth, while Noah went into recluse in the mountains.  One of Noah's close descendants, Abram, came to live with him in his early days when he was evading King Nimrod after Abram's father sent him and his mother off to be hidden after birth.  King Nimrod had sent out a decree to have Noah killed under advice from his sorcerers.

Noah taught young Abram the ways of God, and when Abram returned to Ur at age 56 ( relatively young man then), he chastised his father for worshipping false idols after wrecking his father's shrine.  Abram then fled from Ur through Turkey and down into Palestine, which was promised to him and his seed.  He later became Abraham, and most of us are his descendants.

The literal blood lines back to Abraham are well-known and kept among Israelites (Sarah), Ishmaelites (Hagar), and other descendants of his wife, Keturah.

http://abrahams-legacy.org/images/family-tree.gif

The biggest challenge anyone who wants to discredit the Bible has-at least as a genealogical and historical document, really puts you in the position of having to erase most people's connection with Abraham, which simply can't be done.  There are billions of people who descended from him, their fathers knew it, and their father's father's knew it, etc.

Once you are forced into accepting Abraham (kicking and screaming as you might), you are now faced with his lineage from Noah.  You seriously then have to question the motive of anyone who is trying to discredit the scriptures contained in what we call the Bible.
Also no.

You do not have to assume any of that at all.

When you have human artifacts that predate any of the civilizations mentioned in other parts of the world you can't assume that locality as the origin of most of humanity.

Our DNA does not point to this at all. Unless Abraham wast East African, moved all the way to Israel then did some begatting then God flooded the world but left all our genetic diversity intact by keeping all of the people alive and breeding for (therefore not killing them) that time leading until now. Which obviously doesnt jive with the story.
You don't get to come in and say "No" to recorded history of our ancestors.  Your modern religion placing faith in the scribblings of misguided men bears no relevant merit to the discussion, and your debating skills are non-existent as well.

Because radioactive decay is an atomic process modeled by the laws of quantum mechanics, it is not possible to know with certainty when half of a given quantity of Carbon 14 atoms will decay. The range of years 5730±40 gives a certain probability (about 68 percent) that half of the Carbon 14 will decay during this span of years: it is of course possible that the actual half life could be shorter or longer. Each given sample of Carbon 14 would have to be treated individually on an experimental basis and if many experiments were conducted, an expected 68 percent would give a half-life measured between 5690 and 5770 years.
Eject thineself from the thread until thou hast learned the error of your false prophets, repent, and then consider returning when you're better equipped with 21st Century understanding of various aspects of this discussion.
Football bats and soup sandwiches abound.
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I covered the incest part in another post, forgot about this.

I can't speak to what calendar was in use, but ancient ages are recorded both in the Bible and in the Gilgamesh Epic.  IIRC the Gilgamesh Epic cites ages up to 40,000 years.  It is postulated that the earth used to have a lot more cloud cover, much denser than anything today, and that this filtered out much of the UV that is responsible for skin cancer and other health issues.  That's why my previous post says "...prior to Noah..."  Those clouds emptying, along with the "fountains of the deep" are what is responsible for The Flood.
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This site is completely shot through with it. Conservatives earn much of the scorn they complain about.
Link Posted: 9/5/2018 6:19:33 PM EST
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Is any of that even in the Bible?
If the clouds were that thick, how come it didn't rain for thousands of years?
How come people that live with limited sunlight today don't live longer?
How did plants survive without much sunlight? Didn't Cain grow crops?
Where are these huge aquifers that "science" discovered?
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I am a pastor and have been studying this stuff for years.
Adam and Eve (Ish and Isha in Hebrew), had far more children than the three named. In Genesis 5:4 it simply said that they had more 'sons and daughters.'  Who knows how many kids a couple can have in 900 plus years.  Lots. Plus their kids had kids.  And yes, there was incest.  Inscestual relationships do not produce defects early in a race.  Only when gene profiles start to compound during multiple generations of incest.  We see these complications in our attempt to breed 'pure bred' dogs.  And, this is also how the races developed.  Certain genetic traits were amplified after Noah's kids reproduced, ect.  Long lives were necessary to sustain the infancy of a race.  If you recall, the earth was shrouded in a dense cloud cover and watered with the morning dew for thousands of years until the flood.  The flood was the first time that it had rained upon the earth.  Also, water sprang up from the ground along with the rain.  Science has discovered vast aquifers deep below the earths crust that are large enough that if they were caused to come to the surface, it would cover the earth entirely with water.  These cloud covers were paramount to the longevity of early man.  The sun kills us on a molecular level with radiation.  This is what causes aging.  Being protected from the power of the sun by a dense canopy allowed the early men to live for a long time.  Plus, God, the Creator was involve to make certain that happened.
Is any of that even in the Bible?
If the clouds were that thick, how come it didn't rain for thousands of years?
How come people that live with limited sunlight today don't live longer?
How did plants survive without much sunlight? Didn't Cain grow crops?
Where are these huge aquifers that "science" discovered?
Yes, all that is in the bible.  There was a heavy dew (Genesis 2:5-6).  God simply did not water the earth with rain until the flood.  Cain grew crops and yes, there was enough light for crop growth (obveously, since it says he grew them).  I know some think this is all fairy tales.  But if God says it happened, I believe it.  If I'm wrong, we're both screwed and just croak.  If you're wrong, you are screwed and I'm in Heaven.  
Water in the earth:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/huge-underground-reservoir-holds-three-times-much-water-earths-oceans/
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To put it in more biblical terms, prior to Noah the human genome hadn't been corrupted.  The corruption was gradual, but by (I'm guestimating here) 1500 BC inbreeding was a factor.  Leviticus was written prior to 1400 BC, just for reference.

Let me explain my first sentence.  When God created the world, it was perfect.  No corruption, no bad recessive genes, no genetic diseases or flaws at all.  So there was no fear of inbreeding, no negative effects from it.
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There is no evidence of that. There is evidence that it is from at the earliest from the late 7th century BCE.
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So, presumably, a person raised far underground, away from all that nasty 'solar radiation', will never age?.
Oh, by the way, the thing about the aquifers?, that's complete fucking nonsense.
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First of all, not here to bash the Bible, religion etc...

So if Adam and Eve concieved  Cain, Seth and Able, and some nameless daughter, how did they produce?  Was incest OK for that moment?

Never understood how way back when people lived to 900 y.o.,  Was there a different calender or did they eat healthier.

So lets now explain Noah, so him and his family are the only ones left on earth, you know because it rained for 40 days and 40 nights.

How did that family tree work out, was incest ok then too?
I am a pastor and have been studying this stuff for years.
Adam and Eve (Ish and Isha in Hebrew), had far more children than the three named. In Genesis 5:4 it simply said that they had more 'sons and daughters.'  Who knows how many kids a couple can have in 900 plus years.  Lots. Plus their kids had kids.  And yes, there was incest.  Inscestual relationships do not produce defects early in a race.  Only when gene profiles start to compound during multiple generations of incest.  We see these complications in our attempt to breed 'pure bred' dogs.  And, this is also how the races developed.  Certain genetic traits were amplified after Noah's kids reproduced, ect.  Long lives were necessary to sustain the infancy of a race.  If you recall, the earth was shrouded in a dense cloud cover and watered with the morning dew for thousands of years until the flood.  The flood was the first time that it had rained upon the earth.  Also, water sprang up from the ground along with the rain.  Science has discovered vast aquifers deep below the earths crust that are large enough that if they were caused to come to the surface, it would cover the earth entirely with water.  These cloud covers were paramount to the longevity of early man.  The sun kills us on a molecular level with radiation.  This is what causes aging.  Being protected from the power of the sun by a dense canopy allowed the early men to live for a long time.  Plus, God, the Creator was involve to make certain that happened.
So, presumably, a person raised far underground, away from all that nasty 'solar radiation', will never age?.
Oh, by the way, the thing about the aquifers?, that's complete fucking nonsense.
Aquifers:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/huge-underground-reservoir-holds-three-times-much-water-earths-oceans/
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The ignorance and arrogance posted in this thread is expected.

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Yep. Your particular brand of humility is far, far too arrogant for me.
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P_SC_L'S W_GER.
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Yes, all that is in the bible.  There was a heavy dew (Genesis 2:5-6).  God simply did not water the earth with rain until the flood.  Cain grew crops and yes, there was enough light for crop growth (obveously, since it says he grew them).  I know some think this is all fairy tales.  But if God says it happened, I believe it.  If I'm wrong, we're both screwed and just croak.  If you're wrong, you are screwed and I'm in Heaven.  
Water in the earth:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/huge-underground-reservoir-holds-three-times-much-water-earths-oceans/
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I am a pastor and have been studying this stuff for years.
Adam and Eve (Ish and Isha in Hebrew), had far more children than the three named. In Genesis 5:4 it simply said that they had more 'sons and daughters.'  Who knows how many kids a couple can have in 900 plus years.  Lots. Plus their kids had kids.  And yes, there was incest.  Inscestual relationships do not produce defects early in a race.  Only when gene profiles start to compound during multiple generations of incest.  We see these complications in our attempt to breed 'pure bred' dogs.  And, this is also how the races developed.  Certain genetic traits were amplified after Noah's kids reproduced, ect.  Long lives were necessary to sustain the infancy of a race.  If you recall, the earth was shrouded in a dense cloud cover and watered with the morning dew for thousands of years until the flood.  The flood was the first time that it had rained upon the earth.  Also, water sprang up from the ground along with the rain.  Science has discovered vast aquifers deep below the earths crust that are large enough that if they were caused to come to the surface, it would cover the earth entirely with water.  These cloud covers were paramount to the longevity of early man.  The sun kills us on a molecular level with radiation.  This is what causes aging.  Being protected from the power of the sun by a dense canopy allowed the early men to live for a long time.  Plus, God, the Creator was involve to make certain that happened.
Is any of that even in the Bible?
If the clouds were that thick, how come it didn't rain for thousands of years?
How come people that live with limited sunlight today don't live longer?
How did plants survive without much sunlight? Didn't Cain grow crops?
Where are these huge aquifers that "science" discovered?
Yes, all that is in the bible.  There was a heavy dew (Genesis 2:5-6).  God simply did not water the earth with rain until the flood.  Cain grew crops and yes, there was enough light for crop growth (obveously, since it says he grew them).  I know some think this is all fairy tales.  But if God says it happened, I believe it.  If I'm wrong, we're both screwed and just croak.  If you're wrong, you are screwed and I'm in Heaven.  
Water in the earth:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/huge-underground-reservoir-holds-three-times-much-water-earths-oceans/
Oooooh, we've moved onto Pascal's Wager! Fun!
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As far as the logical fallacy goes I am right.

If I were to say that unicorns are real it's up to me to prove that there are unicorns. You can sit back at home have a nice cold one while I go broke scouring the Earth looking for a unicorn
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No, your so intent on trying to be right your reaching wherever you can.

Let people believe what they or don't want to.
If its not being directed at you why lower yourself ?
As far as the logical fallacy goes I am right.

If I were to say that unicorns are real it's up to me to prove that there are unicorns. You can sit back at home have a nice cold one while I go broke scouring the Earth looking for a unicorn
Ok , so this will bet last post.

Then its all yours with no rebuttal from me.

Like I said we can back and forth all night like this with no resolution .

I don't recall anyone in thread saying you or anyone else had to believe anything.
I never said you or anyone else to believe in anything .

The OP asked a question.

Some people with a lot more knowledge of the bible then me started giving the OP answers they believed would help the OP.

Then others , like yourself came in. Not trying to answer the question the OP asked but to start disrespecting others beliefs.

I usually bypass threads like this because of the comments that are sure to follow and the total disrespect for people who don't believe or not believe in this case.

Go read my post again If you want.
I've never said anyone had to believe in anything .

So don't believe , makes no difference to me.

If you want to be known as someone who disrespects others for their beliefs then your on the right track here.
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If you want to be known as someone who disrespects others for their beliefs then your on the right track here.
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"I respect you too much to respect your ridiculous ideas." - Dr. Richard Dawkins
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Ok , so this will bet last post.

Then its all yours with no rebuttal from me.

Like I said we can back and forth all night like this with no resolution .

I don't recall anyone in thread saying you or anyone else had to believe anything.
I never said you or anyone else to believe in anything .

The OP asked a question.

Some people with a lot more knowledge of the bible then me started giving the OP answers they believed would help the OP.

Then others , like yourself came in. Not trying to answer the question the OP asked but to start disrespecting others beliefs.

I usually bypass threads like this because of the comments that are sure to follow and the total disrespect for people who don't believe or not believe in this case.

Go read my post again If you want.
I've never said anyone had to believe in anything .

So don't believe , makes no difference to me.

If you want to be known as someone who disrespects others for their beliefs then your on the right track here.
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I agree, i did not want this to turn into big ass believer non believer issue.  I have read every post and find it very interesting of the opinions of others.

Please dont let the this one post keep you from continuing to post in this thread.

I find it more interesting when verses from the Bible are posted as well with an explanation, wheather it be fact or fiction, we all have minds of our own and can and will make our own decissions.

Thanks for posting.
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Incest was cool. The retards were called democrats.
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One Jewish mystic has suggested that humanoids existed on Earth prior to Adam and Eve.  It wasn’t until God gave Adam a soul that he became “man.”
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Through evolution... Is that not how life started?
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No one knows.
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Is a whole lot more plausible than coming from cooled rock.
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No one ever suggested life came from a cooled rock so....
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One Jewish mystic has suggested that humanoids existed on Earth prior to Adam and Eve.  It wasn’t until God gave Adam a soul that he became “man.”
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Pre-Adamite
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To put it in more biblical terms, prior to Noah the human genome hadn't been corrupted.  The corruption was gradual, but by (I'm guestimating here) 1500 BC inbreeding was a factor.  Leviticus was written prior to 1400 BC, just for reference.

Let me explain my first sentence.  When God created the world, it was perfect.  No corruption, no bad recessive genes, no genetic diseases or flaws at all.  So there was no fear of inbreeding, no negative effects from it.
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Something to consider.  Our ribs contain stem cells, so it is possible that Eve was essentially a female clone of Adam, possessing the same DNA, but XX chromozones instead of XY.  Acts 17:6 seems to support this.

If that was the case, then brother/sister marriage is not difficult to imagine.

As to human longevity, if one looks at the chronologies and lifespans after the Flood, one notices a rapid decrease in lifespans.  It starts immediately after the flood, but accelerates in and after the days of Peleg.  What is significant about Peleg?  The bible states, "that in his days the earth was divided."  Many believe that meant the different tribes staked out certain regions and territories.  But the bible doesn't preclude that something else may have happened that was more geological and which greatly  affected human longevity.
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If I'm wrong, we're both screwed and just croak.  If you're wrong, you are screwed and I'm in Heaven.
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Yeah, but here's the thing.  If I'm wrong, no big deal.  It was God's will that I was a sceptic.  But, what if you chose the wrong god to worship all these years.  What if it punishes the credulous?   How can you be sure you chose the right horse?
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Rather fitting that The Ark Encounter is located in Kentucky.
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Something to consider.  Our ribs contain stem cells, so it is possible that Eve was essentially a female clone of Adam, possessing the same DNA, but XX chromozones instead of XY.  Acts 17:6 seems to support this.

If that was the case, then brother/sister marriage is not difficult to imagine.

As to human longevity, if one looks at the chronologies and lifespans after the Flood, one notices a rapid decrease in lifespans.  It starts immediately after the flood, but accelerates in and after the days of Peleg.  What is significant about Peleg?  The bible states, "that in his days the earth was divided."  Many believe that meant the different tribes staked out certain regions and territories.  But the bible doesn't preclude that something else may have happened that was more geological and which greatly  affected human longevity.
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Our whole bodies contain stem cells.

Not sure how

Acts 17:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;

Supports cloning and gene modification
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I always thought she was kinda sexy.
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This is what I conclude as well. There were other people outside of Adam and Eve. The Bible pretty much says so.
Including Adam's first wife, Lilith. When the first man, Adam, saw that he was alone, God made for him a woman like himself, from the earth.God called her name Lilith, and brought her to Adam. They immediately began to quarrel. Adam said: "You lie beneath me." And Lilith said: "You lie beneath me! We are both equal, for both of us are from the earth." And they would not listen to one another.

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I always thought she was kinda sexy.
Me too, especially with her hair down.
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I knew a few guys in the military who I think were "proto-humans."

You know, not QUITE fully evolved yet.
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Cain married a woman from the land of Nod and bore a son, Enoch. That woman was of no relation.

There were clearly other proto-humans in the region, just none that met whatever standard led to the Fall story.

Frankly, Bible stories make a whole lot more sense enlightened by science than placed in opposition to science.
I knew a few guys in the military who I think were "proto-humans."

You know, not QUITE fully evolved yet.
 I think some of their cousin/brother/sons were on my ship.
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To put it in more biblical terms, prior to Noah the human genome hadn't been corrupted.  The corruption was gradual, but by (I'm guestimating here) 1500 BC inbreeding was a factor.  Leviticus was written prior to 1400 BC, just for reference.

Let me explain my first sentence.  When God created the world, it was perfect.  No corruption, no bad recessive genes, no genetic diseases or flaws at all.  So there was no fear of inbreeding, no negative effects from it.
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Hebrew, please.
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Our whole bodies contain stem cells.

Not sure how

Acts 17:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;

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Apologies, Acts 17:26, "From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands."

Based on what we know about cloning now, it seems arguable that God created Adam's DNA, cloned Eve from stem cells from Adam and then allowed the random process of procreation supply the variety afterwards.
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Wow!

Interesting.

I may have to subscribe to that guys channel.

Everything he said made sense and had purpose .

Thanks.
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And, how did they progress from nice WASPY names like Adam and Eve to Meshac and Abednego?

And the back again to Paul, Dave, and Mark?
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I’m agnostic but I thought I’d point out that Shadrac, Meschac and Abednego were the names given to them by the Babylonians, not their given Hebrew names. Their Hebrew names, so the tradition says, were Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah.
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Apologies, Acts 17:26, "From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands."

Based on what we know about cloning now, it seems arguable that God created Adam's DNA, cloned Eve from stem cells from Adam and then allowed the random process of procreation supply the variety afterwards.
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That makes much more sense. Not so much about cloning but how we all started one place and have conquered the world
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Agreed. When taken as a guide on how to relate to God and your fellow man, The Bible is invaluable. When taken as a science text book, The Bible is useless.

Besides, who came first and who was of what family bloodline means nothing in terms of salvation. If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and that a God raised him from the dead then you will be saved.
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Funny how religious types went from “the Bible is the word of god and absolute truth” to “well, see, it’s just a book with some cool stories that tell you how to be a good dude but god is totally real, trust me” when science stated bitch slapping them.
Link Posted: 9/5/2018 10:58:19 PM EST
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Genetically, our species was significantly better back then.  Since the fall, our genome has been corrupted by each succeeding generation.  Not unlike making a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, etc. on a copy machine.  It is hard to tell the difference between subsequent copies, but comparing the first and the last is night and day.

Our species is not "evolving", it is "devolving".  This explains the longer life spans back then, our general degradation (such as strength, eyesight, etc..), and how smaller populations could reproduce with genetically-close mates and not have a genetic disaster.

Read "Genetic Entropy" if you want a more scientific explanation.
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I just realized after looking at the genealogy chart.  Did God intend every women to have 2 men? Makes one wonder if Abel was never killed, it would be normal societal standards for every home to have 1 women and 2 husbands.
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I just realized after looking at the genealogy chart.  Did God intend every women to have 2 men? Makes one wonder if Abel was never killed, it would be normal societal standards for every home to have 1 women and 2 husbands.
Where did you see that?  I only see men with multiple women, some as many as four, not all necessarily wives.
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Does anyone really believe Adam was made from clay and eve was made from his rib?

How do you think they really got here?
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Does anyone really believe Adam was made from clay and eve was made from his rib?

How do you think they really got here?
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Incest was ok. And God made it so no retards were made. Then after a few generations he was all like, "ok, no more  sister poking, or I'll make tards." Says so in Leviticus.
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I would say that is some impressive m****f***** exegesis right there, but we're talking about sisters.
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I am a pastor and have been studying this stuff for years.
Adam and Eve (Ish and Isha in Hebrew), had far more children than the three named. In Genesis 5:4 it simply said that they had more 'sons and daughters.'  Who knows how many kids a couple can have in 900 plus years.  Lots. Plus their kids had kids.  And yes, there was incest.  Inscestual relationships do not produce defects early in a race.  Only when gene profiles start to compound during multiple generations of incest.  We see these complications in our attempt to breed 'pure bred' dogs.  And, this is also how the races developed.  Certain genetic traits were amplified after Noah's kids reproduced, ect.  Long lives were necessary to sustain the infancy of a race.  If you recall, the earth was shrouded in a dense cloud cover and watered with the morning dew for thousands of years until the flood.  The flood was the first time that it had rained upon the earth.  Also, water sprang up from the ground along with the rain.  Science has discovered vast aquifers deep below the earths crust that are large enough that if they were caused to come to the surface, it would cover the earth entirely with water.  These cloud covers were paramount to the longevity of early man.  The sun kills us on a molecular level with radiation.  This is what causes aging.  Being protected from the power of the sun by a dense canopy allowed the early men to live for a long time.  Plus, God, the Creator was involve to make certain that happened.
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Sounds like bullshit to me.  But, I guess there are enough stupid people in your AO to keep you employed.
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Funny how religious types went from “the Bible is the word of god and absolute truth” to “well, see, it’s just a book with some cool stories that tell you how to be a good dude but god is totally real, trust me” when science stated bitch slapping them.
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Agreed. When taken as a guide on how to relate to God and your fellow man, The Bible is invaluable. When taken as a science text book, The Bible is useless.

Besides, who came first and who was of what family bloodline means nothing in terms of salvation. If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and that a God raised him from the dead then you will be saved.
Funny how religious types went from “the Bible is the word of god and absolute truth” to “well, see, it’s just a book with some cool stories that tell you how to be a good dude but god is totally real, trust me” when science stated bitch slapping them.
I guess you've never heard of St. Thomas Aquinas.  The idea that elements of the scripture are not necessarily literal accounts, such as the creation and flood accounts in Genesis, predates him, even.
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The bible is to not be taken literal for every scripture.
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Genetically, our species was significantly better back then.  Since the fall, our genome has been corrupted by each succeeding generation.  Not unlike making a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, etc. on a copy machine.  It is hard to tell the difference between subsequent copies, but comparing the first and the last is night and day.

Our species is not "evolving", it is "devolving".  This explains the longer life spans back then, our general degradation (such as strength, eyesight, etc..), and how smaller populations could reproduce with genetically-close mates and not have a genetic disaster.

Read "Genetic Entropy" if you want a more scientific explanation.
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Natural selection would disprove this assumption.  A weaker species is always superseded by a stronger one.
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Natural selection would disprove this assumption.  A weaker species is always superseded by a stronger one.
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Have you not been paying attention?

These people don't believe in natural selection.
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To put it in more biblical terms, prior to Noah the human genome hadn't been corrupted.  The corruption was gradual, but by (I'm guestimating here) 1500 BC inbreeding was a factor.  Leviticus was written prior to 1400 BC, just for reference.

Let me explain my first sentence.  When God created the world, it was perfect.  No corruption, no bad recessive genes, no genetic diseases or flaws at all.  So there was no fear of inbreeding, no negative effects from it.
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Genetics doesn't work that way.  You take even the two most "perfect" genomes and eliminate all the rest and try to breed them, anything more complex than a fruit fly is going to catastrophically fail in a very short while down the line.
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Genetically, our species was significantly better back then.  Since the fall, our genome has been corrupted by each succeeding generation.  Not unlike making a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, etc. on a copy machine.  It is hard to tell the difference between subsequent copies, but comparing the first and the last is night and day.

Our species is not "evolving", it is "devolving".  This explains the longer life spans back then, our general degradation (such as strength, eyesight, etc..), and how smaller populations could reproduce with genetically-close mates and not have a genetic disaster.

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No.

Why are we the baddest mother fuckers to ever walk the planet?

We out competed every thing else along the way.

You don't do that by devolving.
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No.

Why are we the baddest mother fuckers to ever walk the planet?

We out competed every thing else along the way.

You don't do that by devolving.
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This.

We're the end result of roughly four billion years of uninterrupted successful adaptation and reproduction.

Not degenerate dust bunnies.

I don't get how anyone can look at their own kids and hold on to the twisted "fallen" narrative.
Link Posted: 9/6/2018 12:20:22 AM EST
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God created additional people.
Adam and Eve's sons married.
Link Posted: 9/6/2018 12:21:27 AM EST
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It’s like trying to overthink a movie plot. Don’t.  Just go with it and convince yourself it’s all ok.
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umm yeah, its amazing how so many people criticize the bible or says it says things when it clearly states otherwise. I dont understand how people can confuse the talmud as applying to all of humanity, when it very clearly is a rough genealogy and history of his "chosen people" aka the Jews. There were other humans at the time of adam and eve, the bible never says God made adam and eve and no person after outside of eden. there are large details that were omitted probably because it was irrelevant to the history of the jewish people. i think adam and eve were the first humans god created that was created as his chosen people, not just the first people period. and adam goes around naming stuff in the place god created for his personal human, the garden of eden, which was made to clearly separate his chosen special human from the rest of the sin outside of eden. and to keep his perfect human pure, he made sure no outside influence would be introduced, therefore creating eve from adam who god made specially. and the fact that cain, adams son, was marked so "others" would know he was marked, clearly means there are alot of people outside of eden. like towns/regions.
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Let me see if i remember

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years and begat a son in his own image; and called his name Seth:

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:

15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:

28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah,...
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