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From someone that just wrote a motorcycle jab, comparing a Miata to a motorcycle is silly man.  Are you talking about a moped that has the back-up foot pedals?  



That's because you HAVE to push a Miata or BRZ a lot harder in every day driving just to merge into a school zone.  

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I'd I wasn't 6'5" I'd buy a cheap used one and drop an LS1 in it.

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Fixed it for you.

I drive a 1997, the first year of the C5 and the LS-1.

It's pretty quick, even nowadays, although I wouldn't race a Mustang GT or a V8 Challenger.

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I thought Honda deep 6'd all V6 engines in cars and went turbo 4 on everything.

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IROC's only came with the 350.

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I disagree with almost all of this. The engine, and how it behaves, is one of the biggest things that you can notice when daily driving. Most people aren't running through a tight and twisty side road to get their groceries or do their commute. I think we would all love that as a commute, but most of us need to be realistic with our driving habits. You might get a few corners, a few stop lights, and maybe an onramp or two if you are really lucky. Places that the BRZ doesn't really shine. You know what really does well in those situations? Cars with a bit of torque with the help of a turbo. Like the WRX, or the GTI, or the Focus ST. All cars that aren't exactly fast either, but universally rate higher as being better daily drivers.

The BRZ/FRS really shines and shows it's self when driving it on the track, autocross, or some other situation where you can honestly push it to the max of your own abilities. This is where the engine differences that you were dismissing really seem to disappear. I've been lucky enough to drive BRZs in this situation, even once on a frozen lake, and I've always said that they are fun in those situations. But that's at a level way above what I'd want to risk driving on public roads, let alone in the city.

What you are left with is a car that's great when pushed, but not so great when not. I don't mean that as "It's a terrible car" when not pushing it, but more like I just didn't really find it enjoyable. And I just don't see a situation where I could push a BRZ enough on legal roads to make it more fun than the little turbo guys sitting next to them on the lot. The HP differences between them aren't all that much in the grand scheme of things, but the torque curves tell a completely different story.

I know you have issues with FWD cars, and I honestly don't know your own personal experience with driving any of them. I know we've had these discussions plenty of times before. I went in wanting to buy a BRZ in 2013 when they came out and left with a Focus ST. While I don't have the ST any more either, I still think I came out of that purchase with a car that was more enjoyable for the majority of situations that I put it through.

And before someone calls me out and gives the stereotypical response of "You are just a hater and you can't tell me I'm not having fun with my BRZ" let me respond to that with "You also can't tell me that you are having more fun with your BRZ than I did with my Focus ST". Cars are a personal choice, and I think it's great we have choices. I've said the same thing in manual transmission threads. Some people might hate autos, DCTS, or manuals, but I think it's great that there are choices for everyone. I just personally think the BRZ would have been better with a turbo. Much like almost everyone else who drove one and didn't buy one, or bought one and sold it. And much like Toyota and Subaru are thinking, given the rumors going on for the next generation. Heck even most owners will say that at one point or two, even if they won't admit it on the internet arguing against other people saying it.

Enough of the soap box, my contribution to the thread is the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart. The body of an Evo with all the speed of the econobox sedan it was based off of. I rarely see any actual Evo X's any more, most have been relegated to garaged weekend cars so when I see a ralliart it's always a small slap of reality to the face.