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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:30:49 PM EDT
[#1]
I plan on watching later on tonight.
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:32:53 PM EDT
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A crazy story, and the first episode was great.
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:33:23 PM EDT
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Hmm, don't get HBO.
I wonder if they get into the "conspiracy theory" that the meltdown was caused to cover up the failure of this project? |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:37:05 PM EDT
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Wife is out of town right now but we are excited to watch it this week when she gets home
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:37:23 PM EDT
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A crazy story, and the first episode was great. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:38:08 PM EDT
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I only give it 6.5/10 because everyone speaks with a British accent. Its annoying as hell. They couldn't find any Russian/Ukraine actors?
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:38:53 PM EDT
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Hmm, don't get HBO. I wonder if they get into the "conspiracy theory" that the meltdown was caused to cover up the failure of this project? 
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:42:13 PM EDT
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I only give it 6.5/10 because everyone speaks with a British accent. Its annoying as hell. They couldn't find any Russian/Ukraine actors? |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:42:41 PM EDT
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Good first episode. Poor fuckin firefighters and families. Jesus.
Portraying Dyatlov as I expected. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:43:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It just goes to show how rotten to the core the Soviet State apparatus was......Even if what is depicted in the show is only half true. I can see a variation of the same being recited by the likes of Hillary, Pelosi, and their ilk. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:44:32 PM EDT
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Good first episode. Poor fuckin firefighters and families. Jesus. Portraying Dyatlov as I expected. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:45:49 PM EDT
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Not all of us know Russian. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I only give it 6.5/10 because everyone speaks with a British accent. Its annoying as hell. They couldn't find any Russian/Ukraine actors? |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:46:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That pep speech the old commie with the cane recited? I can see a variation of the same being recited by the likes of Hillary, Pelosi, and their ilk. ETA: think I found it, Donald Sumpter, he played Maester Luwin (Winterfell) in GoT. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:46:54 PM EDT
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First episode was superb. Leaves you with the taste of nuclear holocaust in your mouth.
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hmm, don't get HBO. I wonder if they get into the "conspiracy theory" that the meltdown was caused to cover up the failure of this project? 
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:47:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: when the fireman picked up that graphite block, I was like HOLY SHIT!!! |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:47:55 PM EDT
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I only give it 6.5/10 because everyone speaks with a British accent. Its annoying as hell. They couldn't find any Russian/Ukraine actors? Listening to bad actors speak with heavy accents just for the sake of “authenticity” Half decent filmmakers have figured out that getting quality actors is far more important than getting an accent right, and it’s better to skip the accent than to force a shitty fake one. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:48:30 PM EDT
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First episode was superb. Leaves you with the taste of nuclear holocaust in your mouth. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:48:30 PM EDT
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This video has some pretty haunting footage of the area about halfway throuh.
 Pink Floyd - Marooned (Official Music Video HD) |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:49:54 PM EDT
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Wonder how they'll handle The Elephants Foot
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you taste metal? 
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not all of us know Russian. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:53:25 PM EDT
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Hmm, don't get HBO. I wonder if they get into the "conspiracy theory" that the meltdown was caused to cover up the failure of this project? |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:53:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI was reading about that recently. The elephants foot is significantly less radioactive than it used to be and is beginning to flake apart. The new containment arch is quite fascinating. Will be interesting to see if they can actually disassemble the existing structures. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:55:13 PM EDT
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Uh. That would be like forgetting to take out the trash so to keep your wife from finding out you burn down your house. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hmm, don't get HBO. I wonder if they get into the "conspiracy theory" that the meltdown was caused to cover up the failure of this project? Probably not a good idea with a nuclear reactor, you know the whole 'irradiated for tens of thousands of years thing. 
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Posted: 5/6/2019 10:57:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What? That's never happened? Probably not a good idea with a nuclear reactor, you know the whole 'irradiated for tens of thousands of years thing.
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:00:29 PM EDT
[#27]
 Chernobyl Mysteries: The Elephant's Foot (aka "Medusa"... Pure chernobylite) |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:18:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: when the fireman picked up that graphite block, I was like HOLY SHIT!!! The other scene from in the hospital where the nurse is asking if they stock iodine pills and the Dr. gets pissed and asks why would they bother stocking those. 
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:18:40 PM EDT
[#29]
English actors? Really?
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:27:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Superb irony. Mocking the lies of the Soviet Union, while at the same time … completely making stuff up out of their own technical laziness.
ETA: I'm going to walk back my criticism. Way back. If the episodes were all pulled together in one continuous piece, the totality of what this film team has done would simply trample over whatever technical confusion I would have had in mid stream. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:29:32 PM EDT
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Superb irony. Mocking the lies of the Soviet Union, while at the same time … completely making stuff up out of their own technical laziness. I tend to agree with you. They're not without, er, dramatic license so far. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:30:47 PM EDT
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Hmm, don't get HBO. I wonder if they get into the "conspiracy theory" that the meltdown was caused to cover up the failure of this project? |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:36:49 PM EDT
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remember kids, it is entirely possible the whole thing was touched off by a small nuclear detonation that was a result of the runaway reaction
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:50:04 PM EDT
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remember kids, it is entirely possible the whole thing was touched off by a small nuclear detonation that was a result of the runaway reaction |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 11:52:11 PM EDT
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remember kids, it is entirely possible the whole thing was touched off by a small nuclear detonation that was a result of the runaway reaction 
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:03:22 AM EDT
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What was the graphite used for?
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:04:14 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hmm, don't get HBO. I wonder if they get into the "conspiracy theory" that the meltdown was caused to cover up the failure of this project? |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:06:31 AM EDT
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No, it's not possible at all. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00295450.2017.1384269 "It is concluded that the two explosions in the reactor that many witnesses recognized were thermal neutron mediated nuclear explosions at the bottom of a few fuel channels and then some 2.7 s later a steam explosion that ruptured the reactor vessel. The nuclear explosions formed a plasma jet that shot upward through the still intact refueling tubes, rammed the 350-kg plugs, and continued through the quite thin roof and then some 2.5 to 3 km into the atmosphere where the meteorological situation provided a route to Cherepovets. The release dynamics of xenon after the steam explosion has not been very well known. Meteorological dispersion calculations compared with actual detections of 133Xe in Freiburg, Germany, in early May 1986 could, however, be used to estimate that around 15% of the bulk xenon in the core was released during the first 24 h to a fairly low altitude. This figure was plugged into the calculations for Cherepovets, and it was then concluded that the part of the core that was released by the steam explosion contributed very little to the Cherepovets detections and therefore had little impact on the conclusions. The scenario is well corroborated by observations of the effects on the lower lid of the reactor vessel, by seismic detections (including sound) about100 km away from the reactor and by witness accounts of a blue flash that could not be explained by any other process than a nuclear explosion." @mayday @L_JE |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:07:39 AM EDT
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The woodpecker ran for years after Chernobyl? Why was it a failure? |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:10:04 AM EDT
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It was really good, looking forward to the rest of it.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:12:02 AM EDT
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What was the graphite used for? It was the major structure of the core, and highly radioactive. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:12:04 AM EDT
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What was the graphite used for? |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:12:56 AM EDT
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What that a starling that fell at the end?
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:26:03 AM EDT
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What was the graphite used for? |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:26:29 AM EDT
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What was the graphite used for? In PWRs and BWRs (the most common reactors in the world), water is the neutron moderator. The fuel is enriched to such low levels, that without slowing the neutrons down into the "thermalized" energy region, fission isn't sustainable. And in PWR/BWRs water moderates these neutrons, and the convenient thing about water is that as it heats up, the density (and ability to moderate neutrons) goes down. Self correcting, if you will. Graphite's moderation, however, doesn't decrease with temperature like that of water, so a reactor like a Soviet RBMK doesn't have a natural tendency to decrease neutron flux as reactor power increases - and this makes RBMK operation tricky - and is at the crux of the whole Chernobyl disaster. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:27:47 AM EDT
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Just for fun, and I've put this up before. Youtuber Carl Willis became acquainted with the widow of a scientist who worked on the Chicago pile.
Turns out her husband saved an, er, souvenir from the pile: A graphite brick COMPLETE with the two machined uranium metal slugs. Now, if these were just chunks of uranium it wouldn't be such of a much. Very long half life, therefore quite low (comparatively) quantity of disintegrations per hour. But these bits were actually in a functioning reactor, which meant that some of that material was transformed into nasty daughters. You can see him quantify and characterize that on this video. Now given when the Chicago pile operated, the some of that stuff has been through nearly three half lives but I wouldn't keep it in my living room. Still its a fascinating video! Cheers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Es4_tz7_7E |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:31:48 AM EDT
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Somehow, somewhere, this has got to be Trump’s fault.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:32:14 AM EDT
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https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/new-finding-nuke-blast-crippled-chernobyl https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00295450.2017.1384269 "It is concluded that the two explosions in the reactor that many witnesses recognized were thermal neutron mediated nuclear explosions at the bottom of a few fuel channels and then some 2.7 s later a steam explosion that ruptured the reactor vessel. The nuclear explosions formed a plasma jet that shot upward through the still intact refueling tubes, rammed the 350-kg plugs, and continued through the quite thin roof and then some 2.5 to 3 km into the atmosphere where the meteorological situation provided a route to Cherepovets. The release dynamics of xenon after the steam explosion has not been very well known. Meteorological dispersion calculations compared with actual detections of 133Xe in Freiburg, Germany, in early May 1986 could, however, be used to estimate that around 15% of the bulk xenon in the core was released during the first 24 h to a fairly low altitude. This figure was plugged into the calculations for Cherepovets, and it was then concluded that the part of the core that was released by the steam explosion contributed very little to the Cherepovets detections and therefore had little impact on the conclusions. The scenario is well corroborated by observations of the effects on the lower lid of the reactor vessel, by seismic detections (including sound) about100 km away from the reactor and by witness accounts of a blue flash that could not be explained by any other process than a nuclear explosion." @mayday @L_JE Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, it's not possible at all. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00295450.2017.1384269 "It is concluded that the two explosions in the reactor that many witnesses recognized were thermal neutron mediated nuclear explosions at the bottom of a few fuel channels and then some 2.7 s later a steam explosion that ruptured the reactor vessel. The nuclear explosions formed a plasma jet that shot upward through the still intact refueling tubes, rammed the 350-kg plugs, and continued through the quite thin roof and then some 2.5 to 3 km into the atmosphere where the meteorological situation provided a route to Cherepovets. The release dynamics of xenon after the steam explosion has not been very well known. Meteorological dispersion calculations compared with actual detections of 133Xe in Freiburg, Germany, in early May 1986 could, however, be used to estimate that around 15% of the bulk xenon in the core was released during the first 24 h to a fairly low altitude. This figure was plugged into the calculations for Cherepovets, and it was then concluded that the part of the core that was released by the steam explosion contributed very little to the Cherepovets detections and therefore had little impact on the conclusions. The scenario is well corroborated by observations of the effects on the lower lid of the reactor vessel, by seismic detections (including sound) about100 km away from the reactor and by witness accounts of a blue flash that could not be explained by any other process than a nuclear explosion." @mayday @L_JE |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:37:21 AM EDT
[#49]
I can't vouch for accuracy, but the first episode certainly had my attention.
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:42:41 AM EDT
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Cerenkov glow is going to be present if there is sufficient steam/water density and gamma or beta radiation, and wouldn't necessarily be tied to any prompt response. That the paper would try so hard to correlate witness recollections, Cerenkov, and so forth, it's just a perplexing balance/imbalance of effort in their work.
When the reactor tubes breached, there would have been ample gamma and beta sources in that core to produce visible Cerenkov glow, given a sufficient presence of steam liberating from the core. |
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