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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:23:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  So NORAD wasn't monitoring North American airspace until somebody in Montana spotted a balloon? WTFthey weren't looking for objects flying less than x speed I think we saw some similar tactics with drones and such in Ukraine. between low radar signature, low speed and small size they may as well be birds or clouds |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:23:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So NORAD wasn't monitoring North American airspace until somebody in Montana spotted a balloon? WTFRegrettably, that is correct. NorthCom was “tuned” To search for larger/faster bogies, not UAPs. That stance has apparently changed since the Chyna barroon fiasco. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The word is NORAD was using certain filters to filter out the small stuff. After the debacle of the large Chinese balloon they turned off those filters and went back and looked at the RAW data from years past and were now able to see the new smaller objects. So basically for YEARS the Chinese were able to float spy balloons in airspace and collect our data without NORAD even knowing. Yeah, no matter how they try to spin it, this isn't a good look... also, where was Milley during the last administration? |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So NORAD wasn't monitoring North American airspace until somebody in Montana spotted a balloon? WTFQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kirby: We're seeing more objects now because we're looking for them now. So NORAD wasn't monitoring North American airspace until somebody in Montana spotted a balloon? WTFThat certainly looks to be the case. How many previously went unnoticed? I've been saying this whole time that NORAD absolutely shit the bed. Some military guys here keep saying BS about how these were all known and thinking we are incapable of errors. I put little faith in the government- military included. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:31:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That certainly looks to be the case. How many previously went unnoticed? I've been saying this whole time that NORAD absolutely shit the bed. Some military guys here keep saying BS about how these were all known and thinking we are incapable of errors. I put little faith in the government- military included. I have enough faith in our military that they can locate and blow the fuck out of nearly anything if they are made aware of it and given clearance to do so. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:37:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:38:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The word is NORAD was using certain filters to filter out the small stuff. After the debacle of the large Chinese balloon they turned off those filters and went back and looked at the RAW data from years past and were now able to see the new smaller objects. So basically for YEARS the Chinese were able to float spy balloons in airspace and collect our data without NORAD even knowing. His statement is trying to make this whole debacle Trump's fault , not the system operators who shut what ever off , but right to the top man . They politicize everything, WE tracked it and They didn't means what exactly ?, a complete personnel change ?. Doubt it , it was the same people doing things then and now . This is deepstate maneuvering to pull the heat off Biden, like he'd take any action against the people who own his ass ?. So the previous incursions were just discovered after this balloon ?, that's not how they're spinning this . |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:49:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regrettably, that is correct. NorthCom was “tuned” To search for larger/faster bogies, not UAPs. That stance has apparently changed since the Chyna barroon fiasco. The other day they were pitching it was FJB that issued the directive to start looking for spy balloons soon after taking office . |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:58:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other day they were pitching it was FJB that issued the directive to start looking for spy balloons soon after taking office . It's because that fucking Trump was in cahoots with China, in addition to Putin! Biden had to fix all Trump's messes!! |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 5:09:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His statement is trying to make this whole debacle Trump's fault , not the system operators who shut what ever off , but right to the top man . They politicize everything, WE tracked it and They didn't means what exactly ?, a complete personnel change ?. Doubt it , it was the same people doing things then and now . This is deepstate maneuvering to pull the heat off Biden, like he'd take any action against the people who own his ass ?. So the previous incursions were just discovered after this balloon ?, that's not how they're spinning this . Yep. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 5:31:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: How does his statement make sense? How would they know if they didn’t see them? Heard an analyst the other day claim that NORAD keeps recordings and they viewed the archives. Not sure if true, or not. Quoted: At the same time he was doing his own taxes. The man is multi-talented. lol |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 5:56:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So NORAD wasn't monitoring North American airspace until somebody in Montana spotted a balloon? WTFQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kirby: We're seeing more objects now because we're looking for them now. So NORAD wasn't monitoring North American airspace until somebody in Montana spotted a balloon? WTFNORAD was missile defense. Their radars aren't at the same level as Navy/Air Force radar and haven't been fully updated. There isn't intelligent identification and filtering of returns based on signature, it's either a return or no return, not identifying the type of return from phase shift, amplitudes across spectrum, and other abilities of a missile destroyer radar. Sometimes Air Traffic Control, which has about the same quality Secondary Radar as NORAD, doesn't even see a plane with the transponder off until another pilot contacts them and asks to identify what they are seeing ahead of them. They've become extremely reliant on the cooperative radar transponder technology so when something goes up without a transponder, it's a while before it is found and then only when in the way of an aircraft that asks tower to identify it, at that point they'll turn off de-cluttering and maybe see a return, and sometimes not even then, even for something as large as a small plane sized object like a single engine Cessna type. You can hide really well by going slowly and not having power to your transponder, though you can't take off without it on and identified to your flight plan. This is why FAA is now demanding all drones to install transponders as well. They can't see them on radar so they want you to voluntarily broadcast your location as well as ownership. The ease with which the cooperative transponder systems have worked has basically stalled any money dumped toward upgrading airspace search radar ("Secondary Radar") and NORAD only looks for bombers and ICBMs as their systems aren't much better at de-cluttering than airport ATC systems are. Meanwhile, an F16 or any other aircraft has a full volumetric view of what is around them, transponder or not, mapped into a continual space after making a single lap. It's the difference between AM Radio and Satellite Radio for the technology gulf between military radar (even small enough to be in nose of airplane) and most of the fixed radar sites in the US. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 6:02:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2023 6:05:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNeed a middle one in there of the Japanese Fugo balloon shoot down over the US in 1944, I think it was, not sure what the plane was that shot it down, hmmm off for googlefication. ETA: Only specific aircraft type I could find with a quick search was in wikipedia and was a P-38 over Attu. Wiki also indicates 20 were shot down during WWII which I've never seen anywhere else but thought I'd read about one shot down in the lower 48. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 6:11:05 PM EDT
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That matches the description of the latest perfectly. How big is that thing? |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 6:17:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2023 6:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China would be more likely to drop fertilizer than to drop anything to damage our crops. Ag exports to China are HUGE, and both sides are happy with that trade. Crop failure here would lead to higher prices and hungry Chinamen. They do own a lot of our farmland now... |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 6:30:38 PM EDT
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The statement "We tracked it and they didn't " is a convoluted lie , they reacted and changed the radars after a civilian spotted the balloon ? They went back and checked records to " find " past incursions . Jake Sullivan said last week that FJB issued a directive soon( last week ?) after taking the office he stole to change surveillance to spot balloons , how coincidental was that and that has to be another lie . JS didn't elaborate on what changed but that THEY did it .
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Posted: 2/13/2023 6:37:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regrettably, that is correct. NorthCom was "tuned" To search for larger/faster bogies, not UAPs. That stance has apparently changed since the Chyna barroon fiasco. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So NORAD wasn't monitoring North American airspace until somebody in Montana spotted a balloon? WTFRegrettably, that is correct. NorthCom was "tuned" To search for larger/faster bogies, not UAPs. That stance has apparently changed since the Chyna barroon fiasco. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 6:56:11 PM EDT
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Lets just say balloons of various sizes and origins have been floating around for years. Some within commercial aircraft altitudes. Have there been any reports of military, commercial or private planes striking a balloon or sucking one into an engine, ever?
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His statement is trying to make this whole debacle Trump's fault , not the system operators who shut what ever off , but right to the top man . They politicize everything, WE tracked it and They didn't means what exactly ?, a complete personnel change ?. Doubt it , it was the same people doing things then and now . This is deepstate maneuvering to pull the heat off Biden, like he'd take any action against the people who own his ass ?. So the previous incursions were just discovered after this balloon ?, that's not how they're spinning this . If they do keep raw data all the way back to Trump's administration and found the evidence through reexamination of that data, then they just told the Chinese that. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:22:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That certainly looks to be the case. How many previously went unnoticed? I've been saying this whole time that NORAD absolutely shit the bed. Some military guys here keep saying BS about how these were all known and thinking we are incapable of errors. I put little faith in the government- military included. I was saying the same thing. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:22:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:31:46 PM EDT
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Pentagon Confirms Octagon Shaped Object with Strings Shot Down
 Fighter Jet Shoots Down Object With "Strings" Attached |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:33:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NORAD was missile defense. Their radars aren't at the same level as Navy/Air Force radar and haven't been fully updated. There isn't intelligent identification and filtering of returns based on signature, it's either a return or no return, not identifying the type of return from phase shift, amplitudes across spectrum, and other abilities of a missile destroyer radar. Sometimes Air Traffic Control, which has about the same quality Secondary Radar as NORAD, doesn't even see a plane with the transponder off until another pilot contacts them and asks to identify what they are seeing ahead of them. They've become extremely reliant on the cooperative radar transponder technology so when something goes up without a transponder, it's a while before it is found and then only when in the way of an aircraft that asks tower to identify it, at that point they'll turn off de-cluttering and maybe see a return, and sometimes not even then, even for something as large as a small plane sized object like a single engine Cessna type. You can hide really well by going slowly and not having power to your transponder, though you can't take off without it on and identified to your flight plan. This is why FAA is now demanding all drones to install transponders as well. They can't see them on radar so they want you to voluntarily broadcast your location as well as ownership. The ease with which the cooperative transponder systems have worked has basically stalled any money dumped toward upgrading airspace search radar ("Secondary Radar") and NORAD only looks for bombers and ICBMs as their systems aren't much better at de-cluttering than airport ATC systems are. Meanwhile, an F16 or any other aircraft has a full volumetric view of what is around them, transponder or not, mapped into a continual space after making a single lap. It's the difference between AM Radio and Satellite Radio for the technology gulf between military radar (even small enough to be in nose of airplane) and most of the fixed radar sites in the US. This reinforces to me that they didn't go back, review the data, and find things. Just another lie. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:38:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NORAD was missile defense. Their radars aren't at the same level as Navy/Air Force radar and haven't been fully updated. There isn't intelligent identification and filtering of returns based on signature, it's either a return or no return, not identifying the type of return from phase shift, amplitudes across spectrum, and other abilities of a missile destroyer radar. Sometimes Air Traffic Control, which has about the same quality Secondary Radar as NORAD, doesn't even see a plane with the transponder off until another pilot contacts them and asks to identify what they are seeing ahead of them. They've become extremely reliant on the cooperative radar transponder technology so when something goes up without a transponder, it's a while before it is found and then only when in the way of an aircraft that asks tower to identify it, at that point they'll turn off de-cluttering and maybe see a return, and sometimes not even then, even for something as large as a small plane sized object like a single engine Cessna type. You can hide really well by going slowly and not having power to your transponder, though you can't take off without it on and identified to your flight plan. This is why FAA is now demanding all drones to install transponders as well. They can't see them on radar so they want you to voluntarily broadcast your location as well as ownership. The ease with which the cooperative transponder systems have worked has basically stalled any money dumped toward upgrading airspace search radar ("Secondary Radar") and NORAD only looks for bombers and ICBMs as their systems aren't much better at de-cluttering than airport ATC systems are. Meanwhile, an F16 or any other aircraft has a full volumetric view of what is around them, transponder or not, mapped into a continual space after making a single lap. It's the difference between AM Radio and Satellite Radio for the technology gulf between military radar (even small enough to be in nose of airplane) and most of the fixed radar sites in the US. Makes sense. IIRC reading some of the 9/11 transcripts once the ROP'rs turned off the transponders ATC/NORAD had a lot of trouble tracking them. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 101st air refueling wing is stationed in Bangor. Both types are flying in and out of there all the time, hard to say if it’s related or not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 2 KC135’s and a C17 over ME right now. More barroom friends? The 101st air refueling wing is stationed in Bangor. Both types are flying in and out of there all the time, hard to say if it’s related or not. The Rivet Joint the other day was a little unique. Seems it actually landed at BGR too. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:50:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:51:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense. IIRC reading some of the 9/11 transcripts once the ROP'rs turned off the transponders ATC/NORAD had a lot of trouble tracking them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: NORAD was missile defense. Their radars aren't at the same level as Navy/Air Force radar and haven't been fully updated. There isn't intelligent identification and filtering of returns based on signature, it's either a return or no return, not identifying the type of return from phase shift, amplitudes across spectrum, and other abilities of a missile destroyer radar. Sometimes Air Traffic Control, which has about the same quality Secondary Radar as NORAD, doesn't even see a plane with the transponder off until another pilot contacts them and asks to identify what they are seeing ahead of them. They've become extremely reliant on the cooperative radar transponder technology so when something goes up without a transponder, it's a while before it is found and then only when in the way of an aircraft that asks tower to identify it, at that point they'll turn off de-cluttering and maybe see a return, and sometimes not even then, even for something as large as a small plane sized object like a single engine Cessna type. You can hide really well by going slowly and not having power to your transponder, though you can't take off without it on and identified to your flight plan. This is why FAA is now demanding all drones to install transponders as well. They can't see them on radar so they want you to voluntarily broadcast your location as well as ownership. The ease with which the cooperative transponder systems have worked has basically stalled any money dumped toward upgrading airspace search radar ("Secondary Radar") and NORAD only looks for bombers and ICBMs as their systems aren't much better at de-cluttering than airport ATC systems are. Meanwhile, an F16 or any other aircraft has a full volumetric view of what is around them, transponder or not, mapped into a continual space after making a single lap. It's the difference between AM Radio and Satellite Radio for the technology gulf between military radar (even small enough to be in nose of airplane) and most of the fixed radar sites in the US. Makes sense. IIRC reading some of the 9/11 transcripts once the ROP'rs turned off the transponders ATC/NORAD had a lot of trouble tracking them. Meanwhile the FAA is planning to turn off about 100 radars to save money and just rely on ADS-B. 
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
First pilot is now entering witness protection program to avoid getting assigned a new callsign. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:53:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Rivet Joint the other day was a little unique. Seems it actually landed at BGR too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 2 KC135’s and a C17 over ME right now. More barroom friends? The 101st air refueling wing is stationed in Bangor. Both types are flying in and out of there all the time, hard to say if it’s related or not. The Rivet Joint the other day was a little unique. Seems it actually landed at BGR too. Bangor is a busy refueling stop. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:54:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The statement "We tracked it and they didn't " is a convoluted lie , they reacted and changed the radars after a civilian spotted the balloon ? They went back and checked records to " find " past incursions . Jake Sullivan said last week that FJB issued a directive soon( last week ?) after taking the office he stole to change surveillance to spot balloons , how coincidental was that and that has to be another lie . JS didn't elaborate on what changed but that THEY did it . The radar data is saved from the antenna, after digital conversion for processing, storage is cheap. The returns are categorized by strength and correlation to previous returns at same azimuth/elevation to remove interference and if something is slow moving or stationary they don't show it, and if the signal is very weak it wont show it and if the object is moving too fast it would be seen as only interference as well - and removed. All possible parameters aren't easily adjustable by average ATC guy. There has to be some "decluttering" so that meaningful data can be pulled from it instead of the movements of birds. The more modern radar actually can differentiate birds from balloons, but the old radar systems cannot, they mostly have signal strength and direction only. There is a manual adjustment for "gain" to change minimum return strength so the scope isn't fuzzed out by too much information so it limits it to moving targets and operators look at that on their display. If there is something sighted that they don't see on their display, they can fiddle a little bit to try to find what is being reported but eventually it all just looks like noise. Processing it with computer to pull out more and integrate neighboring scans a little differently and play several "what if" data crunching operations can find some things that weren't seen with the normal processing prior to sending to the display. To ask operators to try all the different options continually would be a waste of time and they'd be more likely to overlook something important. So, have computers rape the data and find patterns and re-format the output to describe what the potentials are. It is just easier to have ADSB Cooperative "radar" and more accurate for altitude and over oceans as well. The limitations are mostly due to radar type rather than processing power, but the default decluttering only exacerbates the issue when it comes to small, slow moving craft. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:56:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That matches the description of the latest perfectly. How big is that thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: That matches the description of the latest perfectly. How big is that thing? That specific one is a Korean prototype from 2018, it's about 4 feet across. A larger version certainly fits what little we have been told. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 7:58:32 PM EDT
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We've acted out of an abundance of caution: Defense secretary on foreign object takedown
 We''ve acted out of an abundance of caution: Defense secretary on foreign object takedown |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:00:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We've acted out of an abundance of caution: Defense secretary on foreign object takedown  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtjcAzuxf4 We are fucked. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:07:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell, if you could float a fuel / air bomb that looks like a balloon its a good way to lose an expensive aircraft. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This reinforces to me that they didn't go back, review the data, and find things. Just another lie. They put that claim of past incursions out there pretty quickly , they supposedly reviewed multiple years of data. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:20:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can hide really well by going slowly and not having power to your transponder, though you can't take off without it on and identified to your flight plan. This is why FAA is now demanding all drones to install transponders as well. They can't see them on radar so they want you to voluntarily broadcast your location as well as ownership. General aviation aircraft are not required to have a transponder. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:23:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: General aviation aircraft are not required to have a transponder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can hide really well by going slowly and not having power to your transponder, though you can't take off without it on and identified to your flight plan. This is why FAA is now demanding all drones to install transponders as well. They can't see them on radar so they want you to voluntarily broadcast your location as well as ownership. General aviation aircraft are not required to have a transponder. You don’t even need an electrical system. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:28:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are fucked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We've acted out of an abundance of caution: Defense secretary on foreign object takedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtjcAzuxf4We are fucked. So very fucked and we didn't need balloons to figure this out did we. We already knew this. If this doesn't wake up the American people that were on the fence about this fucking Administration, nothing will. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:35:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So very fucked and we didn't need balloons to figure this out did we. We already knew this. If this doesn't wake up the American people that were on the fence about this fucking Administration, nothing will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We've acted out of an abundance of caution: Defense secretary on foreign object takedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtjcAzuxf4We are fucked. So very fucked and we didn't need balloons to figure this out did we. We already knew this. If this doesn't wake up the American people that were on the fence about this fucking Administration, nothing will.  MUSE - WE ARE FUCKING FUCKED (Official Performance Video) |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:40:34 PM EDT
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THIS!!!!
We know that these fighters have photographic capabilities. Wouldn't they get some good photos of these things before shooting them down? You know.... Intel? Some sort of crap is afoot. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:43:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCool, new song for my apocalypse playlist! Thanks! |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:43:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: THIS!!!! We know that these fighters have photographic capabilities. Wouldn't they get some good photos of these things before shooting them down? You know.... Intel? Some sort of crap is afoot. firstly I have to lol at loudly proclaiming this and not quoting something... Second how often do you see any sort of imagery taken from a US military asset? Maybe it will be cleared for release in 2055. And that is the expedited process for optimal transparency. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 8:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NORAD was missile defense. Their radars aren't at the same level as Navy/Air Force radar and haven't been fully updated. There isn't intelligent identification and filtering of returns based on signature, it's either a return or no return, not identifying the type of return from phase shift, amplitudes across spectrum, and other abilities of a missile destroyer radar. Sometimes Air Traffic Control, which has about the same quality Secondary Radar as NORAD, doesn't even see a plane with the transponder off until another pilot contacts them and asks to identify what they are seeing ahead of them. They've become extremely reliant on the cooperative radar transponder technology so when something goes up without a transponder, it's a while before it is found and then only when in the way of an aircraft that asks tower to identify it, at that point they'll turn off de-cluttering and maybe see a return, and sometimes not even then, even for something as large as a small plane sized object like a single engine Cessna type. You can hide really well by going slowly and not having power to your transponder, though you can't take off without it on and identified to your flight plan. This is why FAA is now demanding all drones to install transponders as well. They can't see them on radar so they want you to voluntarily broadcast your location as well as ownership. The ease with which the cooperative transponder systems have worked has basically stalled any money dumped toward upgrading airspace search radar ("Secondary Radar") and NORAD only looks for bombers and ICBMs as their systems aren't much better at de-cluttering than airport ATC systems are. Meanwhile, an F16 or any other aircraft has a full volumetric view of what is around them, transponder or not, mapped into a continual space after making a single lap. It's the difference between AM Radio and Satellite Radio for the technology gulf between military radar (even small enough to be in nose of airplane) and most of the fixed radar sites in the US. None of this is true after 9/11/2001. I was at NORAD on 9/11. The ENTIRE focus of the command for the couple of years afterwards was fixing the lack of radar coverage across CONUS/CAN so that couldn't happen again. ETA: In fact my job for most of the next year was figuring out short-term fixes to that, like invoking Article 5 of the NATO treaty to get their AWACS over the US, using DEA and Navy S2Fs for short-range stuff, etc. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 9:02:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We've acted out of an abundance of caution: Defense secretary on foreign object takedown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtjcAzuxf4We are fucked. So very fucked and we didn't need balloons to figure this out did we. We already knew this. If this doesn't wake up the American people that were on the fence about this fucking Administration, nothing will. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac4E_UsmB1g
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Posted: 2/13/2023 9:05:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The word is NORAD was using certain filters to filter out the small stuff. They were using velocity gates, which digitally filter out background radar returns. Standard stuff for radars for the last 40-50 years. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 9:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:So basically for YEARS the Chinese were able to float spy balloons in airspace and collect our data without NORAD even knowing. Again, these are not necessarily "spy balloons" like the big one shot down off the east coast. These are small-ish UAV-sized vehicles that may or may not use lighter-than-air gases for lift. And mil aircrews have been aware of them and seeing them/reporting them regularly for quite some time. |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 9:09:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was told by my AF partner at work it would appear on their systems due to that altitude. So it's a process/policy error, not computerized filters. Gen VanHerck very specifically said it was a velocity gate issue in the press conference last night. So, yes, a processing filter issue. |
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