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Posted: 9/17/2020 8:04:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Manhattan would be pretty easy to blockade - it is an island after all. Blow the bridges, or barricade them and flood the subways, and then you just have to worry about boat traffic and it's small enough to patrol relatively easily. Long Island, being a much bigger island - would be much harder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let's hope there is no civil war in the US. China would be the big winner of any such conflict. I don't see how US could remain #1 superpower after any large scale civil war. It would be weakened immensely on the world stage. Look at the pictures below. First one is of Tito, president of Yugoslavia, meeting Nixon in 1971 and smoking a Cuban cigar in the White House. The second is the president of Serbia with Trump last week. Who would America rather be? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/458755/josip-broz-tito-richard-nikson-pura-bela-1593661.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/458755/getInterUrl_png-1593662.JPG I was 10 when the civil war happened in Yugoslavia. We were Serbs living in a Muslim city (Zenica). After 18 months of occasional shelling, no electricity or running water, we paid to be smuggled out. Also a lot of talk of blockading cities. How do you blockade New York City? Chicago? Los Angeles? Hell, even a city with 500 000 people in the middle of a plain would be almost impossible to blockade without an army. And it's a war crime. I pray you guys never have it. Hope Trump wins in a landslide and is able to deal with this mess. At the same time, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Can't go wrong there. Manhattan would be pretty easy to blockade - it is an island after all. Blow the bridges, or barricade them and flood the subways, and then you just have to worry about boat traffic and it's small enough to patrol relatively easily. Long Island, being a much bigger island - would be much harder. How do you keep the blockading army in hostile territory for months on end? Where is that army coming from? What are its supply lines? New York State isn't going to attack Manhattan. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 8:12:55 AM EDT
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This whole video is good, but watch from minutes 39-42, especially at minute 41. What he says ABSOLUETLY TERRIFIES ME. It seems as though we will see "kinetic war" as he says. It terrifies me, like I am sure it does most sane people. I think we are at the point we have to be willing to defend the Constitution. I, like a lot of you, took an oath to do so.
[youtube]results?search_query=john+guandolo+on+the+growing+threats+to+america[/youtube] The video is called " John Guandolo on the growing threats in America and more". |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 8:15:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you keep the blockading army in hostile territory for months on end? Where is that army coming from? What are its supply lines? New York State isn't going to attack Manhattan. Who is going to drive the supplies into the urban areas to begin with? They’ll get mobbed and Reginald Denny’ed every time. No active blockade will be needed to starve out urban areas. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 8:22:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tbh I think we'll just see pockets of violence and unrest continue. I don't see some big time huge conflict happening. Same here Me too, but I'm not selling any ammo. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 8:31:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People keep saying that in this thread. You folks who don't work with explosives may not realize this - but there are storage magazines of mining/construction explosives all over the damn country. Explosives - if the demand is high enough - will not be difficult to get. Not at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What will happen will happen. None of us in our little corners of the world can stop what's coming. It is worth thinking on though that many of the horrors of war that you're seeing on video will be avoided simply because this country doesn't have access to military explosives. There won't be much shelling out exploding buildings. Instead, lots of disease and starvation and mob action with blades and impact weapons.  People keep saying that in this thread. You folks who don't work with explosives may not realize this - but there are storage magazines of mining/construction explosives all over the damn country. Explosives - if the demand is high enough - will not be difficult to get. Not at all. Large shipments of drugs are smuggled into the country every day. Drugs could easily be replaced by military explosives. The Chinese and Russians will be happy to supply them. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 8:58:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am the real deal, not some Chinese troll. Yes, Trump was democratically elected and is rightfully the president, but he now claims that if he doesn't win the 2020 election, that it's rigged and he will not accept the results of it. He has also been using his powers to disrupt the postal service and absentee/mail in voting. He's claiming that Antifa is the equivalent of ISIS or Al Queda, most of those knuckleheads live in their mom's basement. If your IQ is above room temp you must comprehend the massive opportunity for vote fraud by just wholesale mailing ballots out to the entire country especially on such short notice. Their intent is to flat-out cheat their way to victory. They've practicing this for decades and they've gotten pretty good at it in certain areas. This "pandemic" is their perfect opportunity to apply their bullshit nationwide in a roll of the dice to see if they can hit the jackpot by overwhelming the existing system and then screaming "WE WON!!!!!" at the top of their lungs while the MSM parrots their bullshit on a loop 24/7. This is all to induce uncertainty in the outcome and cause a monumental clusterfuck thereby causing all to lose faith in the outcome. The R's will then be in the untenable position of just bending over and taking it up the ass sitting idly by watching the country slide into oblivion or taking the situation by the throat. This country has been arming itself for 15 years. Those weapons will come out and it will be bad. I don't know which side will win but the fight will go down in history and not be forgotten. If you are who and what you say you are, you must know this. So my question to you is this, you took an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution. How do the positions you take now do that? |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 9:13:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will leave you guys with this message from a man who once welcomed Hitler’s leadership style in 1930s Germany: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. They should have just stopped there. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 10:09:13 AM EDT
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Thread derailment is a real strategy. It's up to everyone of us to make sure it doesn't work.
That means: ignore the trolls. Which means: just don't respond to them. You won't change their mind no matter how smart/sharp/witty your response, but your response will clutter up the thread. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 10:23:42 AM EDT
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False bravado is a common way to deal with that which is unthinkable.
That said, some of us are old enough that while we certainty do not want it, if it were to come, we would not be afraid to shoulder a rifle and take a stand. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 11:23:39 AM EDT
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"Live free or die".
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Posted: 9/17/2020 11:29:44 AM EDT
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Nobody wants it. But it's damned hard to come up with a scenario where this is all resolved peacefully. Neither side is willing to compromise enough to make any difference.
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Posted: 9/17/2020 11:38:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long time lurker on the forum but I have to say some of you jokers make me sick with your oath of allegiance to a president who is willing to bring this country to the brink of civil war if he loses the election and stomp all over our Constitution. Most of you knuckleheads would $hit your pants if bullets started to fly. I did two tours in Iraq as infantryman and have seen war up close and personal. I have never wanted to see that here on our streets in my own country. Many of you guys seem perfectly fine with a president who has no trouble with ignoring the rule of law, talks seriously about extending his time in office, talks about arresting his enemies, wants to stamp out our civil liberty rights, and lets his family and friends pocket tax payers money. This is a president who has let up to 200,000 Americans die due to his incompetence in dealing with Covid19 and has also resorted to using government funds to bailout industries due to his horrible negotiating skills, which has skyrocketed our debt. I took an oath to defend this country and the Constitution, I did not swear complete obedience and loyalty to a dictator for life. All around the world, our allies are wondering what the hell is going on here in our country. Most of you guys would have probably supported Hitler if you were in Germany back in the day. The current president is running the country into the ground and destroying our economy and alliances around the world. I will leave you guys with this message from a man who once welcomed Hitler’s leadership style in 1930s Germany: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller Thank you for an ideal example of why civil war is inevitable, even if no-one wants it. I won't argue with the things you said, because their truth or lack thereof is irrelevant at this point in the game. You live in a completely different reality than I do, and you view me as brainwashed. I live in a completely different reality than you do, and view you as brainwashed. Any compromise between our two positions would leave both of us unhappy, so reconciling our differences is impossible. If you obtain political power, you will use it to attempt to suppress or destroy me and my perspective. If I obtain political power, I will use it to attempt to suppress or destroy you and your perspective. The only way out of that situation without one or the other of us being suppressed through force is for one of us to adopt the other's worldview. Since you are wrong, I can't adopt your worldview. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 11:39:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Large shipments of drugs are smuggled into the country every day. Drugs could easily be replaced by military explosives. The Chinese and Russians will be happy to supply them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What will happen will happen. None of us in our little corners of the world can stop what's coming. It is worth thinking on though that many of the horrors of war that you're seeing on video will be avoided simply because this country doesn't have access to military explosives. There won't be much shelling out exploding buildings. Instead, lots of disease and starvation and mob action with blades and impact weapons. People keep saying that in this thread. You folks who don't work with explosives may not realize this - but there are storage magazines of mining/construction explosives all over the damn country. Explosives - if the demand is high enough - will not be difficult to get. Not at all. Large shipments of drugs are smuggled into the country every day. Drugs could easily be replaced by military explosives. The Chinese and Russians will be happy to supply them. Why bother smuggling them? There are already lots of military explosives in the U.S. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 12:17:51 PM EDT
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We have been engaged in a 2nd civil war for over a couple of decades at least. The election of Trump was a battle won, but the war isn't over yet and with the almost total loss of a free press AND the educational system, it doesn't bode well for a near term (or even long term) victory. To make it worse, even people in this forum who claim to be conservatives are willing to throw away another victory by not voting because President Trump doesn't meet their ideals for a single issue, the 2nd Amendment. Not voting is the same thing as voting for the enemy.
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Posted: 9/17/2020 12:42:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you keep the blockading army in hostile territory for months on end? Where is that army coming from? What are its supply lines? New York State isn't going to attack Manhattan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's hope there is no civil war in the US. China would be the big winner of any such conflict. I don't see how US could remain #1 superpower after any large scale civil war. It would be weakened immensely on the world stage. Look at the pictures below. First one is of Tito, president of Yugoslavia, meeting Nixon in 1971 and smoking a Cuban cigar in the White House. The second is the president of Serbia with Trump last week. Who would America rather be? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/458755/josip-broz-tito-richard-nikson-pura-bela-1593661.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/458755/getInterUrl_png-1593662.JPG I was 10 when the civil war happened in Yugoslavia. We were Serbs living in a Muslim city (Zenica). After 18 months of occasional shelling, no electricity or running water, we paid to be smuggled out. Also a lot of talk of blockading cities. How do you blockade New York City? Chicago? Los Angeles? Hell, even a city with 500 000 people in the middle of a plain would be almost impossible to blockade without an army. And it's a war crime. I pray you guys never have it. Hope Trump wins in a landslide and is able to deal with this mess. At the same time, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Can't go wrong there. Manhattan would be pretty easy to blockade - it is an island after all. Blow the bridges, or barricade them and flood the subways, and then you just have to worry about boat traffic and it's small enough to patrol relatively easily. Long Island, being a much bigger island - would be much harder. How do you keep the blockading army in hostile territory for months on end? Where is that army coming from? What are its supply lines? New York State isn't going to attack Manhattan. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 12:53:14 PM EDT
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This thread went full retard
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Posted: 9/17/2020 12:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long time lurker on the forum but I have to say some of you jokers make me sick with your oath of allegiance to a president who is willing to bring this country to the brink of civil war if he loses the election and stomp all over our Constitution. Most of you knuckleheads would $hit your pants if bullets started to fly. I did two tours in Iraq as infantryman and have seen war up close and personal. I have never wanted to see that here on our streets in my own country. Many of you guys seem perfectly fine with a president who has no trouble with ignoring the rule of law, talks seriously about extending his time in office, talks about arresting his enemies, wants to stamp out our civil liberty rights, and lets his family and friends pocket tax payers money. This is a president who has let up to 200,000 Americans die due to his incompetence in dealing with Covid19 and has also resorted to using government funds to bailout industries due to his horrible negotiating skills, which has skyrocketed our debt. I took an oath to defend this country and the Constitution, I did not swear complete obedience and loyalty to a dictator for life. All around the world, our allies are wondering what the hell is going on here in our country. Most of you guys would have probably supported Hitler if you were in Germany back in the day. The current president is running the country into the ground and destroying our economy and alliances around the world. I will leave you guys with this message from a man who once welcomed Hitler’s leadership style in 1930s Germany: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller 
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Posted: 9/17/2020 1:12:16 PM EDT
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First off, there was never Civil War 1.0. The War between the States was a war of secession. Just end that BS now.
A war of secession is likened to one marriage partner wants to take their shit and get out but the other abusive partner beats them to force them to stay. A Civil War is when both of them show up in court to fight over property rights and child custody. With all that cleared up, a civil war is always nasty. Typically lasting 3 - 6 years. There will be short periods of fierce bloody combat between largely militia groups followed by periods of reorganization punctuated with atrocities against civilian populations suffering deprivations of basic necessities(food, shelter, jobs). GD's dream...  Everyone wants Civil War shit until it comes time to do Civil War shit.   Yeah, I live in Texas and got ancestors that fought for the Union that are buried in a mass grave in Vicksburg. I much rather be buried in my home town backwoods Baptist church cemetery. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 1:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long time lurker on the forum but I have to say some of you jokers make me sick with your oath of allegiance to a president who is willing to bring this country to the brink of civil war if he loses the election and stomp all over our Constitution. Most of you knuckleheads would $hit your pants if bullets started to fly. I did two tours in Iraq as infantryman and have seen war up close and personal. I have never wanted to see that here on our streets in my own country. Many of you guys seem perfectly fine with a president who has no trouble with ignoring the rule of law, talks seriously about extending his time in office, talks about arresting his enemies, wants to stamp out our civil liberty rights, and lets his family and friends pocket tax payers money. This is a president who has let up to 200,000 Americans die due to his incompetence in dealing with Covid19 and has also resorted to using government funds to bailout industries due to his horrible negotiating skills, which has skyrocketed our debt. I took an oath to defend this country and the Constitution, I did not swear complete obedience and loyalty to a dictator for life. All around the world, our allies are wondering what the hell is going on here in our country. Most of you guys would have probably supported Hitler if you were in Germany back in the day. The current president is running the country into the ground and destroying our economy and alliances around the world. I will leave you guys with this message from a man who once welcomed Hitler’s leadership style in 1930s Germany: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller  . Hit almost all the major talking points! /10
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Posted: 9/17/2020 1:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trucks rolling into cities are far easier to stop than you might think. I say this being in trucking and logistics for a long, long time. NOLA after Katrina is the best example of this. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 1:33:29 PM EDT
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said it somewhere else.
arfcom needs a civil war 2.0 forum |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 2:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys are strategizing for a replay of the last civil war. This one will be far different. No uniforms, no lines, nothing but blurred distinction. You will not know who to trust. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's hope there is no civil war in the US. China would be the big winner of any such conflict. I don't see how US could remain #1 superpower after any large scale civil war. It would be weakened immensely on the world stage. Look at the pictures below. First one is of Tito, president of Yugoslavia, meeting Nixon in 1971 and smoking a Cuban cigar in the White House. The second is the president of Serbia with Trump last week. Who would America rather be? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/458755/josip-broz-tito-richard-nikson-pura-bela-1593661.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/458755/getInterUrl_png-1593662.JPG I was 10 when the civil war happened in Yugoslavia. We were Serbs living in a Muslim city (Zenica). After 18 months of occasional shelling, no electricity or running water, we paid to be smuggled out. Also a lot of talk of blockading cities. How do you blockade New York City? Chicago? Los Angeles? Hell, even a city with 500 000 people in the middle of a plain would be almost impossible to blockade without an army. And it's a war crime. I pray you guys never have it. Hope Trump wins in a landslide and is able to deal with this mess. At the same time, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Can't go wrong there. Manhattan would be pretty easy to blockade - it is an island after all. Blow the bridges, or barricade them and flood the subways, and then you just have to worry about boat traffic and it's small enough to patrol relatively easily. Long Island, being a much bigger island - would be much harder. How do you keep the blockading army in hostile territory for months on end? Where is that army coming from? What are its supply lines? New York State isn't going to attack Manhattan. You know what's not a characteristic of that kind of war? Mass starvation in the cities. To be a bit less sarcastic, you're reinforcing the point I've been trying to make. There's not going to be a seige of NYC, so the only way mass starvation occurs is if there's a total breakdown in the flow of supplies across the country. There won't be a total breakdown in the flow of supplies across the country because everyone involved likes making money and getting supplies. Farmers aren't going to stop selling food because they like money, and medicine, and diapers for their kids. Truckers aren't going to stop trucking because they like money, and food, etc. The "those liberal citiots will all starve" trope is nonsense. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 4:31:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ninety-nine percent of the Civil War 2.0 prognosticating here utterly fails to make any account of the most important variable in the scenario. If BLM manages to overrun the White House and kill everybody in it, all those folks in all those military bases with all those tanks and airplanes and artillery aren't just going to turn the lights out and go home. Or just sit there calmly guarding all that ordnance while awaiting orders from the eventual civilian winner. After all, soldiers have to eat too. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 4:36:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, he doesn't. You really think all the people that run Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and DFW are just going to sit there and starve to death doing nothing while you eat steak and veggies unmolested out in the hill country? Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of farmers and ranchers (and folks with veggie gardens) expressing great surprise when a line of Escalades and school buses rolls up to their front gate. Gonna be hard to defend the homestead against 20-30 aggressive armed men, when it's just you and your family. ARs with optics or not. "My Likeminded Neighbors" won't be a factor. Name a moment in history when more private citizen type people were better armed, better equipped, better fed, better educated, and had as much to lose or fight for. Like minded neighbors grouped ulp, armed up, and stood up for a strong storm. You think rural people wont do much much more against invading hoards? LOL +1 Hear, Hear!! |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 4:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long time lurker on the forum but I have to say some of you jokers make me sick with your oath of allegiance to a president who is willing to bring this country to the brink of civil war if he loses the election and stomp all over our Constitution. Most of you knuckleheads would $hit your pants if bullets started to fly. I did two tours in Iraq as infantryman and have seen war up close and personal. I have never wanted to see that here on our streets in my own country. Many of you guys seem perfectly fine with a president who has no trouble with ignoring the rule of law, talks seriously about extending his time in office, talks about arresting his enemies, wants to stamp out our civil liberty rights, and lets his family and friends pocket tax payers money. This is a president who has let up to 200,000 Americans die due to his incompetence in dealing with Covid19 and has also resorted to using government funds to bailout industries due to his horrible negotiating skills, which has skyrocketed our debt. I took an oath to defend this country and the Constitution, I did not swear complete obedience and loyalty to a dictator for life. All around the world, our allies are wondering what the hell is going on here in our country. Most of you guys would have probably supported Hitler if you were in Germany back in the day. The current president is running the country into the ground and destroying our economy and alliances around the world. I will leave you guys with this message from a man who once welcomed Hitler’s leadership style in 1930s Germany: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller There's always one or two. They almost always declare themselves to be vets, declare themselves to be long time lurkers, super patriots, and compare Trump to just about every violent, tyrannical progressive to come down the road in the last century or so. They invariably appeared to have joined the month of their rant, and their rant is also invariably one of their first posts if not their first post. Funny how often this happens. I would never question a person's claim of service to our country (not having served myself), nor would I ever attempt to curtail a person's right to free speech. I'm just taking notice of how often this particular event happens around here. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 5:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know what's not a characteristic of that kind of war? Mass starvation in the cities. To be a bit less sarcastic, you're reinforcing the point I've been trying to make. There's not going to be a seige of NYC, so the only way mass starvation occurs is if there's a total breakdown in the flow of supplies across the country. There won't be a total breakdown in the flow of supplies across the country because everyone involved likes making money and getting supplies. Farmers aren't going to stop selling food because they like money, and medicine, and diapers for their kids. Truckers aren't going to stop trucking because they like money, and food, etc. The "those liberal citiots will all starve" trope is nonsense. If real fighting starts and everyone knows it has, the economy will grind to a halt. No one is going to go to work if there is a good chance they will killed or maimed along the way. People will stay home to protect their families and to keep from getting killed by the opposition. And yes people like money but what if there is nothing to buy despite having money. Even now there are things I want to buy but cannot because there are none to buy. Or maybe there is food on the shelves but the dollar has been devalued to the point it can no longer buy bread. These are very real possibilities and have happened many times before in recently recorded history. To say that the economy will never stop because people like money is insane given the overwhelming proof to the contrary. The only people who will be out and about will be those looking for trouble, or trying to avoid it while obtaining the necessaries. Once we have turned on each other our international enemies will do all the can to make things worse. Our civilization rests on a razors edge and there are a million things that could throw it into disarray. No one is going to need to blockade New York, unless it's to keep the hordes of fleeing people in. What we will see is large cities imploding upon themselves soon after the trucks stop moving (and they will). Violence will kill many but it's toll will be nothing compared to disease and starvation. As has been stated many times previously... You'd better be adding food, clothing, fuel, medicine and friends to your ammo fort because you're more likely to need those items than 20k rounds of any ammo. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 6:20:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a pretty massive assumption. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated are intricate and delicate. If real fighting starts and everyone knows it has, the economy will grind to a halt. No one is going to go to work if there is a good chance they will killed or maimed along the way. People will stay home to protect their families and to keep from getting killed by the opposition. And yes people like money but what if there is nothing to buy despite having money. Even now there are things I want to buy but cannot because there are none to buy. Or maybe there is food on the shelves but the dollar has been devalued to the point it can no longer buy bread. These are very real possibilities and have happened many times before in recently recorded history. To say that the economy will never stop because people like money is insane given the overwhelming proof to the contrary. The only people who will be out and about will be those looking for trouble, or trying to avoid it while obtaining the necessaries. Once we have turned on each other our international enemies will do all the can to make things worse. Our civilization rests on a razors edge and there are a million things that could throw it into disarray. No one is going to need to blockade New York, unless it's to keep the hordes of fleeing people in. What we will see is large cities imploding upon themselves soon after the trucks stop moving (and they will). Violence will kill many but it's toll will be nothing compared to disease and starvation. As has been stated many times previously... You'd better be adding food, clothing, fuel, medicine and friends to your ammo fort because you're more likely to need those items than 20k rounds of any ammo. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated at our current standard of living are intricate. The logistics to keep above the starvation level typically aren't. People will stay at home for safety in the short term, but they'll leave their homes to start working long before they start starving. For what feels like the millionth time in this thread: has mass starvation occurred in any of the civil wars happening around the world right now, or in recent history? It hasn't happened in Syria, even in cities that were encircled by regime forces. It hasn't happened in Ukraine. It didn't happen in Sarajevo, under a years long seige. The only place you really see mass starvation is in Africa, in countries that cant feed themselves reliably in peacetime. But it's going to happen in America because Americans everywhere are going to decide to stay home and starve due to an insurgency? Ridiculous. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 8:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long time lurker on the forum but I have to say some of you jokers make me sick with your oath of allegiance to a president who is willing to bring this country to the brink of civil war if he loses the election and stomp all over our Constitution. Most of you knuckleheads would $hit your pants if bullets started to fly. I did two tours in Iraq as infantryman and have seen war up close and personal. I have never wanted to see that here on our streets in my own country. Many of you guys seem perfectly fine with a president who has no trouble with ignoring the rule of law, talks seriously about extending his time in office, talks about arresting his enemies, wants to stamp out our civil liberty rights, and lets his family and friends pocket tax payers money. This is a president who has let up to 200,000 Americans die due to his incompetence in dealing with Covid19 and has also resorted to using government funds to bailout industries due to his horrible negotiating skills, which has skyrocketed our debt. I took an oath to defend this country and the Constitution, I did not swear complete obedience and loyalty to a dictator for life. All around the world, our allies are wondering what the hell is going on here in our country. Most of you guys would have probably supported Hitler if you were in Germany back in the day. The current president is running the country into the ground and destroying our economy and alliances around the world. I will leave you guys with this message from a man who once welcomed Hitler’s leadership style in 1930s Germany: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller Sorry your girl lost. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 9:00:21 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Long time lurker on the forum but I have to say some of you jokers make me sick with your oath of allegiance to a president who is willing to bring this country to the brink of civil war if he loses the election and stomp all over our Constitution. Most of you knuckleheads would $hit your pants if bullets started to fly. I did two tours in Iraq as infantryman and have seen war up close and personal. Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 10:19:13 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's always one or two. They almost always declare themselves to be vets, declare themselves to be long time lurkers, super patriots, and compare Trump to just about every violent, tyrannical progressive to come down the road in the last century or so. They invariably appeared to have joined the month of their rant, and their rant is also invariably one of their first posts if not their first post. Funny how often this happens. I would never question a person's claim of service to our country (not having served myself), nor would I ever attempt to curtail a person's right to free speech. I'm just taking notice of how often this particular event happens around here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Long time lurker on the forum but I have to say some of you jokers make me sick with your oath of allegiance to a president who is willing to bring this country to the brink of civil war if he loses the election and stomp all over our Constitution. Most of you knuckleheads would $hit your pants if bullets started to fly. I did two tours in Iraq as infantryman and have seen war up close and personal. I have never wanted to see that here on our streets in my own country. Many of you guys seem perfectly fine with a president who has no trouble with ignoring the rule of law, talks seriously about extending his time in office, talks about arresting his enemies, wants to stamp out our civil liberty rights, and lets his family and friends pocket tax payers money. This is a president who has let up to 200,000 Americans die due to his incompetence in dealing with Covid19 and has also resorted to using government funds to bailout industries due to his horrible negotiating skills, which has skyrocketed our debt. I took an oath to defend this country and the Constitution, I did not swear complete obedience and loyalty to a dictator for life. All around the world, our allies are wondering what the hell is going on here in our country. Most of you guys would have probably supported Hitler if you were in Germany back in the day. The current president is running the country into the ground and destroying our economy and alliances around the world. I will leave you guys with this message from a man who once welcomed Hitler’s leadership style in 1930s Germany: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller There's always one or two. They almost always declare themselves to be vets, declare themselves to be long time lurkers, super patriots, and compare Trump to just about every violent, tyrannical progressive to come down the road in the last century or so. They invariably appeared to have joined the month of their rant, and their rant is also invariably one of their first posts if not their first post. Funny how often this happens. I would never question a person's claim of service to our country (not having served myself), nor would I ever attempt to curtail a person's right to free speech. I'm just taking notice of how often this particular event happens around here. They're going to become more and more as we get closer to the election. He implies that it is Trump that mishandled covid, yet it was his side that called Trump a fear monger at first and a racist when he wanted to block travel from affected countries. He imlies that it is Trump who is stoking division, and genuinely believes the narrative that it was white supremacists burning down cities when it was paid actors on the left, and general leftists just being mad that Trump is still president. The civil war is a direct result of leftists forcing criminal level election fraud to counteract voter I.D. laws. Trump is right to say that he will not accept fraud as results, and yes even if that means we have a right and proper civil war. The only thing worse than having a civil war will be the absolute tyranny the left is planning if they get in the big chair. These absolute buttfucks are planning to remove the electoral college and force direct democracy. They're planning on nominating additional positions to the SCOTUS in excess of nine justices, to force their agenda. I HIGHLY doubt he is a veteran. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 10:33:54 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated at our current standard of living are intricate. The logistics to keep above the starvation level typically aren't. People will stay at home for safety in the short term, but they'll leave their homes to start working long before they start starving. For what feels like the millionth time in this thread: has mass starvation occurred in any of the civil wars happening around the world right now, or in recent history? It hasn't happened in Syria, even in cities that were encircled by regime forces. It hasn't happened in Ukraine. It didn't happen in Sarajevo, under a years long seige. The only place you really see mass starvation is in Africa, in countries that cant feed themselves reliably in peacetime. But it's going to happen in America because Americans everywhere are going to decide to stay home and starve due to an insurgency? Ridiculous. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's a pretty massive assumption. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated are intricate and delicate. If real fighting starts and everyone knows it has, the economy will grind to a halt. No one is going to go to work if there is a good chance they will killed or maimed along the way. People will stay home to protect their families and to keep from getting killed by the opposition. And yes people like money but what if there is nothing to buy despite having money. Even now there are things I want to buy but cannot because there are none to buy. Or maybe there is food on the shelves but the dollar has been devalued to the point it can no longer buy bread. These are very real possibilities and have happened many times before in recently recorded history. To say that the economy will never stop because people like money is insane given the overwhelming proof to the contrary. The only people who will be out and about will be those looking for trouble, or trying to avoid it while obtaining the necessaries. Once we have turned on each other our international enemies will do all the can to make things worse. Our civilization rests on a razors edge and there are a million things that could throw it into disarray. No one is going to need to blockade New York, unless it's to keep the hordes of fleeing people in. What we will see is large cities imploding upon themselves soon after the trucks stop moving (and they will). Violence will kill many but it's toll will be nothing compared to disease and starvation. As has been stated many times previously... You'd better be adding food, clothing, fuel, medicine and friends to your ammo fort because you're more likely to need those items than 20k rounds of any ammo. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated at our current standard of living are intricate. The logistics to keep above the starvation level typically aren't. People will stay at home for safety in the short term, but they'll leave their homes to start working long before they start starving. For what feels like the millionth time in this thread: has mass starvation occurred in any of the civil wars happening around the world right now, or in recent history? It hasn't happened in Syria, even in cities that were encircled by regime forces. It hasn't happened in Ukraine. It didn't happen in Sarajevo, under a years long seige. The only place you really see mass starvation is in Africa, in countries that cant feed themselves reliably in peacetime. But it's going to happen in America because Americans everywhere are going to decide to stay home and starve due to an insurgency? Ridiculous. You don't understand JIT supply, do you? If I turn the power out in a city, tick tock, you're on a short clock before the SHTF. And it would be soooooo easy to absolute power fuck a city in this day and age. I grew up in one. Have ten guys go out and shoot holes in the bottoms of the obvious as fuck and utterly unguarded transformers at substations as they come to them both in cities and along the feedways and that city better already have their shit together or it is done. I lived through a lengthy blackout a couple times in the city and every next morning shit got exponentially worse. First night everyone would go, "Well fuck..." As you get closer to night two, shit is getting weird. The next morning you see that shit happened. Night three everyone knows it is "ON" tonight. After that, there is no law, which is basically Minneapolis right now: Little to no law. Have people do that to two cities and there aren't enough replacement parts to go around. Two major metropolitan areas and even the Federal government and military do not have the means necessary to provide meaningful assistance to one or the other city. If you don't think that's part of some assbrained nutbag's plan you're smoking crack. Any truck delivering anything to a city without power is low hanging fruit and no trucker I know would dare drive their truck in there. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:41:24 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. Some for sure, but look at Katrina. People sat and waited to be saved. Many people lack the knowledge, resources, or will to do anything else. Not everyone for sure, but many will hunker down in the city. But I get your point and it wouldn't take a large percentage of outflux to ruin the burbs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Its amazing when people I know who live a half hour or so outside the city in more rural settings think they are going to live free with bountiful game to hunt if shit collapses while the city dwellers just hunker down and starve. I don't know. Some for sure, but look at Katrina. People sat and waited to be saved. Many people lack the knowledge, resources, or will to do anything else. Not everyone for sure, but many will hunker down in the city. But I get your point and it wouldn't take a large percentage of outflux to ruin the burbs. I’m one of those bumpkins. I also think it’s stupid to believe you’re going to survive on game (you’re not), or that people won’t come out of the cities (they will). However, I’ve lived within the same 15 mile square of land my whole life. I’ve walked the fields and draws, I know the land like the back of my hand in half the county. I know exactly where the choke points are, travel corridors, where people will walk, drive, and where to set ambushes or IEDs. Nobody is going to just roll us up, unless they have far larger numbers and are willing to take heavy casualties. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:58:37 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would the roads still be intact? Exactly. All these dude thinking they’re going to drive everywhere. And those nice roads left intact? Boom. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 3:09:13 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't understand JIT supply, do you? If I turn the power out in a city, tick tock, you're on a short clock before the SHTF. And it would be soooooo easy to absolute power fuck a city in this day and age. I grew up in one. Have ten guys go out and shoot holes in the bottoms of the obvious as fuck and utterly unguarded transformers at substations as they come to them both in cities and along the feedways and that city better already have their shit together or it is done. I lived through a lengthy blackout a couple times in the city and every next morning shit got exponentially worse. First night everyone would go, "Well fuck..." As you get closer to night two, shit is getting weird. The next morning you see that shit happened. Night three everyone knows it is "ON" tonight. After that, there is no law, which is basically Minneapolis right now: Little to no law. Have people do that to two cities and there aren't enough replacement parts to go around. Two major metropolitan areas and even the Federal government and military do not have the means necessary to provide meaningful assistance to one or the other city. If you don't think that's part of some assbrained nutbag's plan you're smoking crack. Any truck delivering anything to a city without power is low hanging fruit and no trucker I know would dare drive their truck in there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's a pretty massive assumption. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated are intricate and delicate. If real fighting starts and everyone knows it has, the economy will grind to a halt. No one is going to go to work if there is a good chance they will killed or maimed along the way. People will stay home to protect their families and to keep from getting killed by the opposition. And yes people like money but what if there is nothing to buy despite having money. Even now there are things I want to buy but cannot because there are none to buy. Or maybe there is food on the shelves but the dollar has been devalued to the point it can no longer buy bread. These are very real possibilities and have happened many times before in recently recorded history. To say that the economy will never stop because people like money is insane given the overwhelming proof to the contrary. The only people who will be out and about will be those looking for trouble, or trying to avoid it while obtaining the necessaries. Once we have turned on each other our international enemies will do all the can to make things worse. Our civilization rests on a razors edge and there are a million things that could throw it into disarray. No one is going to need to blockade New York, unless it's to keep the hordes of fleeing people in. What we will see is large cities imploding upon themselves soon after the trucks stop moving (and they will). Violence will kill many but it's toll will be nothing compared to disease and starvation. As has been stated many times previously... You'd better be adding food, clothing, fuel, medicine and friends to your ammo fort because you're more likely to need those items than 20k rounds of any ammo. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated at our current standard of living are intricate. The logistics to keep above the starvation level typically aren't. People will stay at home for safety in the short term, but they'll leave their homes to start working long before they start starving. For what feels like the millionth time in this thread: has mass starvation occurred in any of the civil wars happening around the world right now, or in recent history? It hasn't happened in Syria, even in cities that were encircled by regime forces. It hasn't happened in Ukraine. It didn't happen in Sarajevo, under a years long seige. The only place you really see mass starvation is in Africa, in countries that cant feed themselves reliably in peacetime. But it's going to happen in America because Americans everywhere are going to decide to stay home and starve due to an insurgency? Ridiculous. You don't understand JIT supply, do you? If I turn the power out in a city, tick tock, you're on a short clock before the SHTF. And it would be soooooo easy to absolute power fuck a city in this day and age. I grew up in one. Have ten guys go out and shoot holes in the bottoms of the obvious as fuck and utterly unguarded transformers at substations as they come to them both in cities and along the feedways and that city better already have their shit together or it is done. I lived through a lengthy blackout a couple times in the city and every next morning shit got exponentially worse. First night everyone would go, "Well fuck..." As you get closer to night two, shit is getting weird. The next morning you see that shit happened. Night three everyone knows it is "ON" tonight. After that, there is no law, which is basically Minneapolis right now: Little to no law. Have people do that to two cities and there aren't enough replacement parts to go around. Two major metropolitan areas and even the Federal government and military do not have the means necessary to provide meaningful assistance to one or the other city. If you don't think that's part of some assbrained nutbag's plan you're smoking crack. Any truck delivering anything to a city without power is low hanging fruit and no trucker I know would dare drive their truck in there. Oh, wow, little to no law? I never thought of that, that would be completely different from, say, Syrian cities held by rebel groups that fight each other somewhat less than they fight Assad. I understand that there would be a massive decrease in quality of life. I simply don't agree that Americans will completely fail to accomplish a task that essentially everyone else in the world manages. If the situation deteriorates enough that abushed trucks threaten the food supply, the local authority figure, whether that's the legitimate government or a warlord who rises to fill the power vacuum, will start guarding the trucks. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 3:14:55 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, wow, little to no law? I never thought of that, that would be completely different from, say, Syrian cities held by rebel groups that fight each other somewhat less than they fight Assad. I understand that there would be a massive decrease in quality of life. I simply don't agree that Americans will completely fail to accomplish a task that essentially everyone else in the world manages. If the situation deteriorates enough that abushed trucks threaten the food supply, the local authority figure, whether that's the legitimate government or a warlord who rises to fill the power vacuum, will start guarding the trucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's a pretty massive assumption. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated are intricate and delicate. If real fighting starts and everyone knows it has, the economy will grind to a halt. No one is going to go to work if there is a good chance they will killed or maimed along the way. People will stay home to protect their families and to keep from getting killed by the opposition. And yes people like money but what if there is nothing to buy despite having money. Even now there are things I want to buy but cannot because there are none to buy. Or maybe there is food on the shelves but the dollar has been devalued to the point it can no longer buy bread. These are very real possibilities and have happened many times before in recently recorded history. To say that the economy will never stop because people like money is insane given the overwhelming proof to the contrary. The only people who will be out and about will be those looking for trouble, or trying to avoid it while obtaining the necessaries. Once we have turned on each other our international enemies will do all the can to make things worse. Our civilization rests on a razors edge and there are a million things that could throw it into disarray. No one is going to need to blockade New York, unless it's to keep the hordes of fleeing people in. What we will see is large cities imploding upon themselves soon after the trucks stop moving (and they will). Violence will kill many but it's toll will be nothing compared to disease and starvation. As has been stated many times previously... You'd better be adding food, clothing, fuel, medicine and friends to your ammo fort because you're more likely to need those items than 20k rounds of any ammo. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated at our current standard of living are intricate. The logistics to keep above the starvation level typically aren't. People will stay at home for safety in the short term, but they'll leave their homes to start working long before they start starving. For what feels like the millionth time in this thread: has mass starvation occurred in any of the civil wars happening around the world right now, or in recent history? It hasn't happened in Syria, even in cities that were encircled by regime forces. It hasn't happened in Ukraine. It didn't happen in Sarajevo, under a years long seige. The only place you really see mass starvation is in Africa, in countries that cant feed themselves reliably in peacetime. But it's going to happen in America because Americans everywhere are going to decide to stay home and starve due to an insurgency? Ridiculous. You don't understand JIT supply, do you? If I turn the power out in a city, tick tock, you're on a short clock before the SHTF. And it would be soooooo easy to absolute power fuck a city in this day and age. I grew up in one. Have ten guys go out and shoot holes in the bottoms of the obvious as fuck and utterly unguarded transformers at substations as they come to them both in cities and along the feedways and that city better already have their shit together or it is done. I lived through a lengthy blackout a couple times in the city and every next morning shit got exponentially worse. First night everyone would go, "Well fuck..." As you get closer to night two, shit is getting weird. The next morning you see that shit happened. Night three everyone knows it is "ON" tonight. After that, there is no law, which is basically Minneapolis right now: Little to no law. Have people do that to two cities and there aren't enough replacement parts to go around. Two major metropolitan areas and even the Federal government and military do not have the means necessary to provide meaningful assistance to one or the other city. If you don't think that's part of some assbrained nutbag's plan you're smoking crack. Any truck delivering anything to a city without power is low hanging fruit and no trucker I know would dare drive their truck in there. Oh, wow, little to no law? I never thought of that, that would be completely different from, say, Syrian cities held by rebel groups that fight each other somewhat less than they fight Assad. I understand that there would be a massive decrease in quality of life. I simply don't agree that Americans will completely fail to accomplish a task that essentially everyone else in the world manages. If the situation deteriorates enough that abushed trucks threaten the food supply, the local authority figure, whether that's the legitimate government or a warlord who rises to fill the power vacuum, will start guarding the trucks. Look, man, there's a certain framework for Civil War 2.0 that has been tacitly agreed upon here. The fact that it looks like nothing that has ever happened anywhere in modern times, much less the most advanced nation in the world with the largest, most powerful armed forces the world has ever known does nothing to alter the agreement. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 3:42:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't understand JIT supply, do you? If I turn the power out in a city, tick tock, you're on a short clock before the SHTF. And it would be soooooo easy to absolute power fuck a city in this day and age. I grew up in one. Have ten guys go out and shoot holes in the bottoms of the obvious as fuck and utterly unguarded transformers at substations as they come to them both in cities and along the feedways and that city better already have their shit together or it is done. I lived through a lengthy blackout a couple times in the city and every next morning shit got exponentially worse. First night everyone would go, "Well fuck..." As you get closer to night two, shit is getting weird. The next morning you see that shit happened. Night three everyone knows it is "ON" tonight. After that, there is no law, which is basically Minneapolis right now: Little to no law. Have people do that to two cities and there aren't enough replacement parts to go around. Two major metropolitan areas and even the Federal government and military do not have the means necessary to provide meaningful assistance to one or the other city. If you don't think that's part of some assbrained nutbag's plan you're smoking crack. Any truck delivering anything to a city without power is low hanging fruit and no trucker I know would dare drive their truck in there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's a pretty massive assumption. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated are intricate and delicate. If real fighting starts and everyone knows it has, the economy will grind to a halt. No one is going to go to work if there is a good chance they will killed or maimed along the way. People will stay home to protect their families and to keep from getting killed by the opposition. And yes people like money but what if there is nothing to buy despite having money. Even now there are things I want to buy but cannot because there are none to buy. Or maybe there is food on the shelves but the dollar has been devalued to the point it can no longer buy bread. These are very real possibilities and have happened many times before in recently recorded history. To say that the economy will never stop because people like money is insane given the overwhelming proof to the contrary. The only people who will be out and about will be those looking for trouble, or trying to avoid it while obtaining the necessaries. Once we have turned on each other our international enemies will do all the can to make things worse. Our civilization rests on a razors edge and there are a million things that could throw it into disarray. No one is going to need to blockade New York, unless it's to keep the hordes of fleeing people in. What we will see is large cities imploding upon themselves soon after the trucks stop moving (and they will). Violence will kill many but it's toll will be nothing compared to disease and starvation. As has been stated many times previously... You'd better be adding food, clothing, fuel, medicine and friends to your ammo fort because you're more likely to need those items than 20k rounds of any ammo. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated at our current standard of living are intricate. The logistics to keep above the starvation level typically aren't. People will stay at home for safety in the short term, but they'll leave their homes to start working long before they start starving. For what feels like the millionth time in this thread: has mass starvation occurred in any of the civil wars happening around the world right now, or in recent history? It hasn't happened in Syria, even in cities that were encircled by regime forces. It hasn't happened in Ukraine. It didn't happen in Sarajevo, under a years long seige. The only place you really see mass starvation is in Africa, in countries that cant feed themselves reliably in peacetime. But it's going to happen in America because Americans everywhere are going to decide to stay home and starve due to an insurgency? Ridiculous. You don't understand JIT supply, do you? If I turn the power out in a city, tick tock, you're on a short clock before the SHTF. And it would be soooooo easy to absolute power fuck a city in this day and age. I grew up in one. Have ten guys go out and shoot holes in the bottoms of the obvious as fuck and utterly unguarded transformers at substations as they come to them both in cities and along the feedways and that city better already have their shit together or it is done. I lived through a lengthy blackout a couple times in the city and every next morning shit got exponentially worse. First night everyone would go, "Well fuck..." As you get closer to night two, shit is getting weird. The next morning you see that shit happened. Night three everyone knows it is "ON" tonight. After that, there is no law, which is basically Minneapolis right now: Little to no law. Have people do that to two cities and there aren't enough replacement parts to go around. Two major metropolitan areas and even the Federal government and military do not have the means necessary to provide meaningful assistance to one or the other city. If you don't think that's part of some assbrained nutbag's plan you're smoking crack. Any truck delivering anything to a city without power is low hanging fruit and no trucker I know would dare drive their truck in there. Under no circumstance, can you power fuck the octopus to show dominance |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 7:33:05 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, wow, little to no law? I never thought of that, that would be completely different from, say, Syrian cities held by rebel groups that fight each other somewhat less than they fight Assad. I understand that there would be a massive decrease in quality of life. I simply don't agree that Americans will completely fail to accomplish a task that essentially everyone else in the world manages. If the situation deteriorates enough that abushed trucks threaten the food supply, the local authority figure, whether that's the legitimate government or a warlord who rises to fill the power vacuum, will start guarding the trucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's a pretty massive assumption. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated are intricate and delicate. If real fighting starts and everyone knows it has, the economy will grind to a halt. No one is going to go to work if there is a good chance they will killed or maimed along the way. People will stay home to protect their families and to keep from getting killed by the opposition. And yes people like money but what if there is nothing to buy despite having money. Even now there are things I want to buy but cannot because there are none to buy. Or maybe there is food on the shelves but the dollar has been devalued to the point it can no longer buy bread. These are very real possibilities and have happened many times before in recently recorded history. To say that the economy will never stop because people like money is insane given the overwhelming proof to the contrary. The only people who will be out and about will be those looking for trouble, or trying to avoid it while obtaining the necessaries. Once we have turned on each other our international enemies will do all the can to make things worse. Our civilization rests on a razors edge and there are a million things that could throw it into disarray. No one is going to need to blockade New York, unless it's to keep the hordes of fleeing people in. What we will see is large cities imploding upon themselves soon after the trucks stop moving (and they will). Violence will kill many but it's toll will be nothing compared to disease and starvation. As has been stated many times previously... You'd better be adding food, clothing, fuel, medicine and friends to your ammo fort because you're more likely to need those items than 20k rounds of any ammo. The logistics to keep this country fed and medicated at our current standard of living are intricate. The logistics to keep above the starvation level typically aren't. People will stay at home for safety in the short term, but they'll leave their homes to start working long before they start starving. For what feels like the millionth time in this thread: has mass starvation occurred in any of the civil wars happening around the world right now, or in recent history? It hasn't happened in Syria, even in cities that were encircled by regime forces. It hasn't happened in Ukraine. It didn't happen in Sarajevo, under a years long seige. The only place you really see mass starvation is in Africa, in countries that cant feed themselves reliably in peacetime. But it's going to happen in America because Americans everywhere are going to decide to stay home and starve due to an insurgency? Ridiculous. You don't understand JIT supply, do you? If I turn the power out in a city, tick tock, you're on a short clock before the SHTF. And it would be soooooo easy to absolute power fuck a city in this day and age. I grew up in one. Have ten guys go out and shoot holes in the bottoms of the obvious as fuck and utterly unguarded transformers at substations as they come to them both in cities and along the feedways and that city better already have their shit together or it is done. I lived through a lengthy blackout a couple times in the city and every next morning shit got exponentially worse. First night everyone would go, "Well fuck..." As you get closer to night two, shit is getting weird. The next morning you see that shit happened. Night three everyone knows it is "ON" tonight. After that, there is no law, which is basically Minneapolis right now: Little to no law. Have people do that to two cities and there aren't enough replacement parts to go around. Two major metropolitan areas and even the Federal government and military do not have the means necessary to provide meaningful assistance to one or the other city. If you don't think that's part of some assbrained nutbag's plan you're smoking crack. Any truck delivering anything to a city without power is low hanging fruit and no trucker I know would dare drive their truck in there. Oh, wow, little to no law? I never thought of that, that would be completely different from, say, Syrian cities held by rebel groups that fight each other somewhat less than they fight Assad. I understand that there would be a massive decrease in quality of life. I simply don't agree that Americans will completely fail to accomplish a task that essentially everyone else in the world manages. If the situation deteriorates enough that abushed trucks threaten the food supply, the local authority figure, whether that's the legitimate government or a warlord who rises to fill the power vacuum, will start guarding the trucks. Yes, it would be 100% different. They're used to living in shit. If they've got power for a full day they think they're in paradise. If people here lose power for a day they think the apocalypse is upon them and act accordingly. Shit, homeslice, let's look at Katrina. Those fucking retarded morons there could have walked, WALKED, as in, on foot, and could have entirely avoided every part of the mess in New Orleans. They didn't because they thought someone was going to come take them somewhere else. When that didn't happen, it was a matter of hours before there was precisely zero law and order. If you call mass starvation and exactly zero potable water a massive decrease in quality of life, okay, but that means you also do not understand how these systems work either. Minneapolis barely has a police force and violent crime is through the roof. For about a week there it was an absolute free for all. Guard the trucks? Fucking LOL. You tell me how they guard from snipers or mob attacks and I'll tell you how to get trucks filled with survival into and out of a city. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 7:41:54 PM EDT
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This is all assuming you have a hostile population. We have been through many storms down
here where the power has been out for days and weeks. We did not devour the children. And civil war? Well, as long as those guys out there have the blessings of the government, they'll probably continue. Once it all goes hot, and they can no longer support the narrative? How in God's name did Donald Trump end up being a Nazi, while the people on the street doing Nazi shit like Antifa are called Americans? Because they said so? Powerful kool aid is powerful. Maybe try a mountain dew. And peaceful protests? Yeah, I think after something like all out civil war the gov might step up and tell the MSM that they have to do something else, like maybe, tell the truth. How big do you think Antifa is? We'll see in Portland tonight, in the event that they had to pack up the microbus and head to DC. Let me make myself clear. This is America. We are Americans, not Marxists. Those huge protestor crowds are absolutely dwarfed by the sheer size of Trump supporters alone. That's not even counting people who like Biden. BRB, OMFG, crackheads are going to bring the city to it's knees. Maybe. But they would rapidly become an endangered species. Anything is a weapon, and they will eventually stray from the pack, and get picked off one by one. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 8:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, well that's a relief. bel·lig·er·ent /b?'lij?r?nt/ noun plural noun: belligerents a nation or person engaged in war or conflict, as recognized by international law  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most certainly not people like you that expect others to fight and die for your freedom. So don't worry about it. Oh, well that's a relief. The fight starts if there is one. With yourself in determining what you will do for your freedom, not what other will do for you. It just blows my mind everytime someone says what you did above. Basically say who's going to fight. Because I'm not. I don't care what they do. Calling people belligerents for believing in the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS and are willing to fight for it. I think they had what was called TORIES during the REVOLUTIONARY WAR. That did the exact samething. Always belittling those that would defend liberty. While people like you stand and watch and berate the belligerents kinda like calling them the DEPLORABLES. bel·lig·er·ent /b?'lij?r?nt/ noun plural noun: belligerents a nation or person engaged in war or conflict, as recognized by international law Hey is that the best you can do. I'm still here. You spell check people use that only when you have nothing left to fall back on. Ohhh you misused a word  got you.I miss used a word so what. I stick by the content of what I posted. What are you going to do other than belittle those here that speak their beliefs and convictions. Bottom line from everything you've said. Nothing except spell check people |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 8:09:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a son-in-law from Yugoslavia that has given me quite an insight into what a fairly recent modern day Civil War and ethnic cleansing is about. It wasn't anything I'd want to experience here in my lifetime. Would you prefer to live under communism? |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 8:49:03 PM EDT
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And now that RBG just bit the dust?
Civil war is entirely unavoidable. This election is for all the marbles and everyone just got put on notice. If Trump wins the liberal/democrat cause is absolutely fucked for twenty or so years and the libs know it. This election was going to be bad before, but now? No fucking way is this shit not going to go sideways. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 8:50:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2020 8:56:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And now that RBG just bit the dust? Civil war is entirely unavoidable. This election is for all the marbles and everyone just got put on notice. If Trump wins the liberal/democrat cause is absolutely fucked for twenty or so years and the libs know it. This election was going to be bad before, but now? No fucking way is this shit not going to go sideways. Guests on Tucker Carlson are already predicting (threatening) 1000X violence from what we've already seen. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 9:54:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guests on Tucker Carlson are already predicting (threatening) 1000X violence from what we've already seen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And now that RBG just bit the dust? Civil war is entirely unavoidable. This election is for all the marbles and everyone just got put on notice. If Trump wins the liberal/democrat cause is absolutely fucked for twenty or so years and the libs know it. This election was going to be bad before, but now? No fucking way is this shit not going to go sideways. Guests on Tucker Carlson are already predicting (threatening) 1000X violence from what we've already seen. I guess we don't have to worry about it all stepping off in our grandkid's time then.......Do the malcontent assholes, the progressives, the socialists, the dems that are left, the communists think we're going to sit on our hands while they up their game by 1000x more violence? Do they really believe we're going to stand by when they come out to the suburbs, the country and attempt to pull that shit? |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 10:39:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: I know what you're thinking, 'Oh yay, another Civil War 2.0 thread'. But, I went from feeling like: "Let's get this party started", to: "Please, for the love of God, let us find away to figure things out differently" This past weekend, I went down the YouTube rabbit-hole, and spent an inordinate amount of time watching combat footage from Syria, and Ukraine. At first, I thought that I was preparing myself mentally for what could happen here. Let me tell you, I realized not only am I unprepared mentally for that kind of hellscape, but I am desperately hoping it never comes to that. VBIEDs dropping entire apartment complexes. Shells landing indiscriminately on people's homes. Sniper fire dropping unsuspecting people left and right. Young children, women, the elderly all getting killed in the crossfire, or from an errant mortar. The faces of those involved in the fight totally bereft of any remaining humanity. This shit really sobered me up, and made me realize how f*cking naive I am to the reality of war. TL;DR: War is hell, and you're crazy/stupid if you want it to happen here. Anyone feel similarly? Yeah yeah, join date/post count. (spend most time lurking tech forums) I posted this exact thing in another thread today. Only a psycho or an idiot wants Civil War 2.0 |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 10:55:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a son-in-law from Yugoslavia that has given me quite an insight into what a fairly recent modern day Civil War and ethnic cleansing is about. It wasn't anything I'd want to experience here in my lifetime. Honestly I DON'T think anyone in this post about CW2 wants to experience a CIVIL WAR. If they do there's something wrong with them. That said I honestly do not think we will be given a choice. Because it will be them that will attack us. Honestly they already have attacked us and have been since they lost the 2016 election. None stop too. But there are some here that will still say your stupid if you fight back. Insinuate your stupid if you defend yourselves. Using the guise no one wants a CIVIL WAR. You ignorant for even thinking about it. All the while they are ATTACKING now. It'd not made any difference who beat their girl either. It just happen to be TRUMP. Which was probably a good thing. Because I do not think anyone else could have endured the constant attacks from the SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY. They would have thrown in the towel long ago. Plus every politician has trash in their closet and it would have come out. With Trump and the fact he did not have any history in politics. Trump did not have any trash they could use against him in the political world. So they did the next thing. Since day one the SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY made up trash. Then attempted one COUP after another to get rid of Trump. This RBJ and this made up last statement her granddaughter said she made about wanting the new POTUS to pick her replacement. I DON'T buy it. I believe that statement was made up to create conflict. The dying wishes of a SCOTUS justice. Well yeah screw that. It's again nothing but a POLITICAL ruse to stall an appointment. But RBJ's death is most definitely going to cause the good OLE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY to stoke the flames of dissension They are already posting on their sites. That if they even try to fill RBJ's seat before the election. People will be taking to the streets in masses. If they try to replace RBJ we will burn the F'ing thing down. Already threaten us the CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN VOTERS and the government of the United States of America. Like I said it will be them that draws first blood on a large scale. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, it would be 100% different. They're used to living in shit. If they've got power for a full day they think they're in paradise. If people here lose power for a day they think the apocalypse is upon them and act accordingly. Shit, homeslice, let's look at Katrina. Those fucking retarded morons there could have walked, WALKED, as in, on foot, and could have entirely avoided every part of the mess in New Orleans. They didn't because they thought someone was going to come take them somewhere else. When that didn't happen, it was a matter of hours before there was precisely zero law and order. If you call mass starvation and exactly zero potable water a massive decrease in quality of life, okay, but that means you also do not understand how these systems work either. Minneapolis barely has a police force and violent crime is through the roof. For about a week there it was an absolute free for all. Guard the trucks? Fucking LOL. You tell me how they guard from snipers or mob attacks and I'll tell you how to get trucks filled with survival into and out of a city. I must have missed the snipers and mobs that attacked anyone entering New Orleans after Katrina. Not to mention the reports of mass starvation when supplies couldn't enter the city due to aforementioned mobs and snipers. As you said, it was lawless. I've also missed the reports of starvation in Minneapolis after the absolute free for all week. Funny how I keep missing those reports. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:06:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I must have missed the snipers and mobs that attacked anyone entering New Orleans after Katrina. Not to mention the reports of mass starvation when supplies couldn't enter the city due to aforementioned mobs and snipers. As you said, it was lawless. I've also missed the reports of starvation in Minneapolis after the absolute free for all week. Funny how I keep missing those reports. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, it would be 100% different. They're used to living in shit. If they've got power for a full day they think they're in paradise. If people here lose power for a day they think the apocalypse is upon them and act accordingly. Shit, homeslice, let's look at Katrina. Those fucking retarded morons there could have walked, WALKED, as in, on foot, and could have entirely avoided every part of the mess in New Orleans. They didn't because they thought someone was going to come take them somewhere else. When that didn't happen, it was a matter of hours before there was precisely zero law and order. If you call mass starvation and exactly zero potable water a massive decrease in quality of life, okay, but that means you also do not understand how these systems work either. Minneapolis barely has a police force and violent crime is through the roof. For about a week there it was an absolute free for all. Guard the trucks? Fucking LOL. You tell me how they guard from snipers or mob attacks and I'll tell you how to get trucks filled with survival into and out of a city. I must have missed the snipers and mobs that attacked anyone entering New Orleans after Katrina. Not to mention the reports of mass starvation when supplies couldn't enter the city due to aforementioned mobs and snipers. As you said, it was lawless. I've also missed the reports of starvation in Minneapolis after the absolute free for all week. Funny how I keep missing those reports. Your not alone because I did not see nor read about any of that. What's with this starvation in Minneapolis. That's a first for me. The main problem they had was with flooding and supplies and evacuations. I work Homestead Florida after Katrina. Man what a mess. Signs up everywhere saying looters will be shot. They found dead bodies everyday. Some where shot too. Was down there for 3 months Now there was some issues at that stadium during Katrina. But again that had to do with you guessed it. The people's inability to control the gangs that took control or behave themselves and act civilized. Instead of acting like a bunch of barbarians. Not to mention that pos MAYOR of NEW Orleans was corrupted as Hell and did not use the resources he had. Did I mention MAYOR was a BLACK DEMOCRAT in that situation also. I'll stop there because of COC rules. Just like all the states and cities now run by the DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY. Total chaos and ANARCHY. Mass shut downs of businesses in an attempt to effect an election. Had nothing to do with a virus. Just look at the leaked info on Nashville's shutdown by a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS MAYOR. |
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:09:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/18/2020 11:23:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Large shipments of drugs are smuggled into the country every day. Drugs could easily be replaced by military explosives. The Chinese and Russians will be happy to supply them. And judging by the chicoms in socal, they'd be spreading that shit like heroine. |
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