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Posted: 1/21/2014 4:47:37 PM EST
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A warning for violating the law isn't positive? Do you care to explain? Or are you arguing that simply being caught committing a crime is instant irreversible trauma? Out of the numerous people I have let go for all categories of crime, I am sure they would say a warning was a positive result of the stop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? A warning for violating the law isn't positive? Do you care to explain? Or are you arguing that simply being caught committing a crime is instant irreversible trauma? Out of the numerous people I have let go for all categories of crime, I am sure they would say a warning was a positive result of the stop. A warning would generally be the neutral outcome where they were no worse or better off than before you turned on the overheads. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 4:50:46 PM EST
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As far as none of them being positive, I can see your point and not saying it is the norm, but would these be negative? *Stop a driver at night for no tail lights, driver is cooperative and wasn't aware that the tail lights were out and is advised of the faulty equipment and let go? Negative outcome? Neutral. No better or worse than before the stop. *Stop driver for failing to maintain lane and stopping in the middle of an intersection, driver is drunk and is ultimately arrested for DUI. Because he got arrested, before he could possibly hurt someone else or get in even more serious legal problems, this is a negative outcome? It would be a negative outcome. Not the worst outcome from the scenario but being arrested is considered bad by most people. You approach a DUI check point and as the officer makes contact with you, you roll down your window and he asks for your drivers license and registration. You provide both and he inspects them and gives them back to you and says "thank you, have a safe night" and your back on your way. This is a negative outcome? Neutral. No better or worse than before the stop. Is my point that difficult to understand? |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 4:53:51 PM EST
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Just ran across this one.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:01:43 PM EST
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:03:09 PM EST
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me because I neither said nor in any way implied such a thing. When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:03:29 PM EST
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:08:27 PM EST
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OHHH Shit wait!!!! I take it back I have been through one and have seen it apparently, kinda, sorta.. When I was stationed at Ft Drum we went up to the thousand islands area to a bar to party. Some old rich fucker off his yacht at Capt Morgans tried to pick up on my wife, he thought we were just dating so smooth dude decides to buy me shoots of tequila to get me wasted. about $150 bucks into it my wife let's him know that we are married and he is giving me booze for nothing. Dude leaves pissed and I switch to Goldschlager. I don't drive home the wife does and I guess there was a sobriety check point. My wife said I was very verbose. I tried to get the cops to give me a breathalyser test to see how high I could score  . Good times . I forgot about that Quote HistoryQuoted:
OHHH Shit wait!!!! I take it back I have been through one and have seen it apparently, kinda, sorta.. When I was stationed at Ft Drum we went up to the thousand islands area to a bar to party. Some old rich fucker off his yacht at Capt Morgans tried to pick up on my wife, he thought we were just dating so smooth dude decides to buy me shoots of tequila to get me wasted. about $150 bucks into it my wife let's him know that we are married and he is giving me booze for nothing. Dude leaves pissed and I switch to Goldschlager. I don't drive home the wife does and I guess there was a sobriety check point. My wife said I was very verbose. I tried to get the cops to give me a breathalyser test to see how high I could score . Good times. I forgot about thatAlexandria bay or Clayton? |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:10:47 PM EST
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Questions to any Officers who will answer them: Have you ever prepared yourself mentally to 'step in' to prevent a fellow officer from violating a citizen's civil rights? We (people, I'm not an Officer) tell ourselves to war game any other potentially ambiguous situation, and this seems like an easy one to accidentally back the wrong horse on. Yes, if I see another LEO doing something unlawful and excessive, you bet. In something that's a gray area, I will seek further guidance from a Sergeant or Lieutenant. How would stepping in be viewed? I understand it's a great deal easier to say "This guy is a bad cop" after he's waist deep in shit of his own making, but that didn't stop Joe Q. from getting reemed either. If you step in before the situation escalates, are you now a buddy fucker? Sometimes poorly, but I am the one at the end of the day who must live with my decision and convictions. There's the tandem goal of not screwing over the contact (and potentially your departments operating budget), and also making sure officer dipshit doesn't remain in employ to do it again. How would you balance it? Recognize early what is going on, deflect, de-escalate, defuse. Re-evaluate. I honestly think departments should be given training on how to specifically handle this. Are you? Some are. We receive initial training on recognition, verbal judo, civil rights, and Constitutional law, as well as integrity and ethics based decision making. I know civil rights is a loaded term, but it's the best approximation of the direction of my question, since I don't think the question even needs to be asked about blatant criminal action. I operate under the basis that I am the star of my own reality show, and have a camera crew and soundman on me from the time I clock in, until I clock out. That, and working under the premise that I wouldn't be embarrassed or find it difficult to explain to my Mom (God rest her soul) what I am doing and why I did it, tends to keep me out of trouble and as stress free as possible. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:12:31 PM EST
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Neutral is negative? Is my point that difficult to understand? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as none of them being positive, I can see your point and not saying it is the norm, but would these be negative? *Stop a driver at night for no tail lights, driver is cooperative and wasn't aware that the tail lights were out and is advised of the faulty equipment and let go? Negative outcome? Neutral. No better or worse than before the stop. Neutral is Negative? *Stop driver for failing to maintain lane and stopping in the middle of an intersection, driver is drunk and is ultimately arrested for DUI. Because he got arrested, before he could possibly hurt someone else or get in even more serious legal problems, this is a negative outcome? It would be a negative outcome. Not the worst outcome from the scenario but being arrested is considered bad by most people. Negative outcome stems from being caught, not from being drunk and driving? Negative outcome is what would probably be a misdemeanor criminal traffic violation, versus not being stopped and taking the chance of a DUI w/ Serious bodily injury or maybe a DUI manslaughter? So being arrested for DUI is considered bad by most people, what is most people's opinion of drunk driving? You approach a DUI check point and as the officer makes contact with you, you roll down your window and he asks for your drivers license and registration. You provide both and he inspects them and gives them back to you and says "thank you, have a safe night" and your back on your way. This is a negative outcome? Neutral. No better or worse than before the stop. Is my point that difficult to understand? So neutral is negative and getting caught breaking the law and being arrested is bad. Got it. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:14:16 PM EST
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I'll admit that I was mildly, very mildly, conflicted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh, I got nothin'. I'll admit that I was mildly, very mildly, conflicted. I giggled, won't lie. It did raise some interesting questions for me. I'd probably roll with it, and open up the back of my vehicle, as long as no firearms were unsecured back there, and show them what was there. They might be impressed, be deflated and lose interest, build rapport and mutual respect, or I might smell alcohol on their breath and I could hook them for public intoxication, or drunk and disorderly.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:21:21 PM EST
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So neutral is negative and getting caught breaking the law and being arrested is bad. Got it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as none of them being positive, I can see your point and not saying it is the norm, but would these be negative? *Stop a driver at night for no tail lights, driver is cooperative and wasn't aware that the tail lights were out and is advised of the faulty equipment and let go? Negative outcome? Neutral. No better or worse than before the stop. Neutral is Negative? *Stop driver for failing to maintain lane and stopping in the middle of an intersection, driver is drunk and is ultimately arrested for DUI. Because he got arrested, before he could possibly hurt someone else or get in even more serious legal problems, this is a negative outcome? It would be a negative outcome. Not the worst outcome from the scenario but being arrested is considered bad by most people. Negative outcome stems from being caught, not from being drunk and driving? Negative outcome is what would probably be a misdemeanor criminal traffic violation, versus not being stopped and taking the chance of a DUI w/ Serious bodily injury or maybe a DUI manslaughter? So being arrested for DUI is considered bad by most people, what is most people's opinion of drunk driving? You approach a DUI check point and as the officer makes contact with you, you roll down your window and he asks for your drivers license and registration. You provide both and he inspects them and gives them back to you and says "thank you, have a safe night" and your back on your way. This is a negative outcome? Neutral. No better or worse than before the stop. Is my point that difficult to understand? So neutral is negative and getting caught breaking the law and being arrested is bad. Got it. Speaking of positive and negative the most positive possibility is that you are trolling. Here's my original post on the matter: "The best you can hope for at the end of a traffic stop is to only lose fifteen minutes of your time. Every other outcome puts you in a worse situation than you were in before." A warning (aka neutral) falls under the first sentence. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:23:24 PM EST
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What about the guy I pulled over the other day because his snowmobile had come loose and was about to fall off the back of his trailer? He sure seemed to think it was a positive outcome that his machine didn't get destroyed hitting the highway at 60mph  Did you check his registration, license, and insurance before you let him know? And I'd relay the same information by honking at the driver and pointing at his trailer. 
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:35:16 PM EST
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Did you check his registration, license, and insurance before you let him know? And I'd relay the same information by honking at the driver and pointing at his trailer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about the guy I pulled over the other day because his snowmobile had come loose and was about to fall off the back of his trailer? He sure seemed to think it was a positive outcome that his machine didn't get destroyed hitting the highway at 60mph Did you check his registration, license, and insurance before you let him know? And I'd relay the same information by honking at the driver and pointing at his trailer. During the winter, especially the first few storms, I will stop one or two people, walk up, brush off the snow from their headlights, give them a wave, and a smile, and leave. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:35:52 PM EST
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They aren't trying to find something to get you on. They are looking for criminals, and talking to you tells them that you are not up to anything so they don't need to waste your time or their time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just fishing? That's his frikkin job. He is paid to be suspicious- it's in the job description. I never said it wasn't. But why talk to them if they are just trying to find something to get you on? They aren't trying to find something to get you on. They are looking for criminals, and talking to you tells them that you are not up to anything so they don't need to waste your time or their time. In the town I grew up in they just stopped you if you're driving a Muscle Car or a Harley and filled out their Field Interview Cards........ It was their way of telling you to move on to the next City over.... Funny after I turned 30 I became invisible to them....
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:42:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I giggled, won't lie. It did raise some interesting questions for me. I'd probably roll with it, and open up the back of my vehicle, as long as no firearms were unsecured back there, and show them what was there. They might be impressed, be deflated and lose interest, build rapport and mutual respect, or I might smell alcohol on their breath and I could hook them for public intoxication, or drunk and disorderly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Uh, I got nothin'. I'll admit that I was mildly, very mildly, conflicted. I giggled, won't lie. It did raise some interesting questions for me. I'd probably roll with it, and open up the back of my vehicle, as long as no firearms were unsecured back there, and show them what was there. They might be impressed, be deflated and lose interest, build rapport and mutual respect, or I might smell alcohol on their breath and I could hook them for public intoxication, or drunk and disorderly. It definitely falls into the "don't invite the man into your life" category, but it appears to have worked out this time. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:42:43 PM EST
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IMHO Yes. My state does not allow checkpoints. They are illegal as there is no RS or PC. I agree with that mentality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as none of them being positive, I can see your point and not saying it is the norm, but would these be negative? *Stop a driver at night for no tail lights, driver is cooperative and wasn't aware that the tail lights were out and is advised of the faulty equipment and let go? Negative outcome? *Stop driver for failing to maintain lane and stopping in the middle of an intersection, driver is drunk and is ultimately arrested for DUI. Because he got arrested, before he could possibly hurt someone else or get in even more serious legal problems, this is a negative outcome? You approach a DUI check point and as the officer makes contact with you, you roll down your window and he asks for your drivers license and registration. You provide both and he inspects them and gives them back to you and says "thank you, have a safe night" and your back on your way. This is a negative outcome? IMHO Yes. My state does not allow checkpoints. They are illegal as there is no RS or PC. I agree with that mentality. The last time I got stuck in one of those, a 10 minute drive took an hour to get through..... Didn't know they were going to be there and I was heading to a gas station.. By the time I got to the station, I was on fumes & not sure I was going to make it...... 
ETA: and my Wife was pissed because I was late picking her and the kids up.......... |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:50:20 PM EST
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In the town I grew up in they just stopped you if you're driving a Muscle Car or a Harley and filled out their Field Interview Cards........ It was their way of telling you to move on to the next City over.... Funny after I turned 30 I became invisible to them.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just fishing? That's his frikkin job. He is paid to be suspicious- it's in the job description. I never said it wasn't. But why talk to them if they are just trying to find something to get you on? They aren't trying to find something to get you on. They are looking for criminals, and talking to you tells them that you are not up to anything so they don't need to waste your time or their time. In the town I grew up in they just stopped you if you're driving a Muscle Car or a Harley and filled out their Field Interview Cards........ It was their way of telling you to move on to the next City over.... Funny after I turned 30 I became invisible to them.... I have seen that too- more in small towns than bigger cities. As a very general rule most troublemakers tend to be young people. Once you pass 30 you usually have too many responsibilities to do much besides speed now and then. You have a career that you don't want to risk instead of just a crappy job, you tend to have a wife and kids that need you working instead of sitting in jail, etc. From what I have seen, and this is in no way a blanket accusation of anyone in particular, most troublemakers are 25 and younger. You rarely see someone 40 or over filming cops at roadblocks or taunting them in any way. Most problem cops are under 30 with less than 5 years on the job. Small town cops tend to have a worse attitude and are usually more pushy than cops in bigger cities. There are always exceptions and it is usually the big city cops that make the news, but small towns use their cops to generate revenue, and that is where you tend to find more speed traps, etc. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:50:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryDude should NOT have rolled down his window! Quoted:
He didn't say that he was harmed. He said the intent of the officers is to put people in worse situations than they were before being stopped. The best you can hope for at the end of a traffic stop is to only lose fifteen minutes of your time. Every other outcome puts you in a worse situation than you were in before. Some local LEOs have specifically threatened me with harm. LEOs who work roadblocks with the intent to seize drivers without warrant intend to do them harm. Restraint of liberty is harm, no matter if it's 30 seconds, 30 minutes, or 30 days. It's a crime in most states, also known as false arrest or false imprisonment. Just because some asshole cross-dressing politicians said is was an acceptable exception to the warrant requirement 24 years ago doesn't make it right. P.S. Fuck Rehnquist, Fuck Nixon, and Fuck Reagan. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:51:22 PM EST
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What about the guy I pulled over the other day because his snowmobile had come loose and was about to fall off the back of his trailer? He sure seemed to think it was a positive outcome that his machine didn't get destroyed hitting the highway at 60mph Did you check his registration, license, and insurance before you let him know? And I'd relay the same information by honking at the driver and pointing at his trailer. During the winter, especially the first few storms, I will stop one or two people, walk up, brush off the snow from their headlights, give them a wave, and a smile, and leave. why do you hate freedom 
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:52:54 PM EST
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What about the guy I pulled over the other day because his snowmobile had come loose and was about to fall off the back of his trailer? He sure seemed to think it was a positive outcome that his machine didn't get destroyed hitting the highway at 60mph Did you check his registration, license, and insurance before you let him know? And I'd relay the same information by honking at the driver and pointing at his trailer. During the winter, especially the first few storms, I will stop one or two people, walk up, brush off the snow from their headlights, give them a wave, and a smile, and leave. why do you hate freedom When it's snow covered. 
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Posted: 1/21/2014 5:58:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryTrolling level: MASTER
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Posted: 1/21/2014 6:03:05 PM EST
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Dude should NOT have rolled down his window! Some local LEOs have specifically threatened me with harm. LEOs who work roadblocks with the intent to seize drivers without warrant intend to do them harm. Restraint of liberty is harm, no matter if it's 30 seconds, 30 minutes, or 30 days. It's a crime in most states, also known as false arrest or false imprisonment. Just because some asshole cross-dressing politicians said is was an acceptable exception to the warrant requirement 24 years ago doesn't make it right. P.S. Fuck Rehnquist, Fuck Nixon, and Fuck Reagan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He didn't say that he was harmed. He said the intent of the officers is to put people in worse situations than they were before being stopped. The best you can hope for at the end of a traffic stop is to only lose fifteen minutes of your time. Every other outcome puts you in a worse situation than you were in before. Some local LEOs have specifically threatened me with harm. LEOs who work roadblocks with the intent to seize drivers without warrant intend to do them harm. Restraint of liberty is harm, no matter if it's 30 seconds, 30 minutes, or 30 days. It's a crime in most states, also known as false arrest or false imprisonment. Just because some asshole cross-dressing politicians said is was an acceptable exception to the warrant requirement 24 years ago doesn't make it right. P.S. Fuck Rehnquist, Fuck Nixon, and Fuck Reagan. What actions have you taken in your state to combat checkpoints and their employment/legality? |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 6:09:58 PM EST
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What actions have you taken in your state to combat checkpoints and their employment/legality? And now we've come full circle to the original post. I've documented their shenanigans since 2005, to include video recording contempt of cop outbursts. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 6:14:59 PM EST
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And now we've come full circle to the original post. I've documented their shenanigans since 2005, to include video recording contempt of cop outbursts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What actions have you taken in your state to combat checkpoints and their employment/legality? And now we've come full circle to the original post. I've documented their shenanigans since 2005, to include video recording contempt of cop outbursts. What useful/meaningful action have you taken? Contacting local government officials, state reps/senators, U.S. Congressmen/Senators, political action, the press, etc? |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 6:20:04 PM EST
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The best you can hope for at the end of a traffic stop is to only lose fifteen minutes of your time. Every other outcome puts you in a worse situation than you were in before. I can agree with this basic premise. I never initiate a traffic stop and think to my self, " I bet I'm about to make this guys mother fucking day. He'll be so happy, I bet he asks me to fuck his sister"; at the bare minimum I know even on a verbal warning, I've taken away time they will not get back. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 6:41:34 PM EST
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Posted: 1/21/2014 6:48:01 PM EST
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And now we've come full circle to the original post. I've documented their shenanigans since 2005, to include video recording contempt of cop outbursts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What actions have you taken in your state to combat checkpoints and their employment/legality? And now we've come full circle to the original post. I've documented their shenanigans since 2005, to include video recording contempt of cop outbursts. So in short, you have not accomplished a damn thing but stroking your ego. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 6:51:31 PM EST
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Posted: 1/21/2014 7:11:29 PM EST
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nvm covered
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Posted: 1/21/2014 7:13:06 PM EST
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Posted: 1/21/2014 7:29:57 PM EST
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Ever hear of internal affairs??? 
Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. I've heard this a lot. Never seen any actual evidence of it though. Just circle the wagons. Hey man it could be any of us next time! You want evidence?? Okay Item #1 Item 2 Item 3 A simple google search is all that's needed for evidence. For everyone of those stories, you can find a million more that show cops getting away with murder, assualt, attempted murder and nothing happens to them at all. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 7:31:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the town I grew up in they just stopped you if you're driving a Muscle Car or a Harley and filled out their Field Interview Cards........ It was their way of telling you to move on to the next City over.... Funny after I turned 30 I became invisible to them.... In the town I grew up in if you were riding a Harley and managing to keep it upright and mostly between the white lines they'd probably leave you alone because you were more trouble than you were worth. If it looked like you were leaving town that was a bonus towards getting left alone. If there were more than 3 of you it was damn near a sure thing. If one of the city's motor officers was with you on his personal bike then it was guaranteed, you were golden.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 7:40:03 PM EST
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I giggled, won't lie. It did raise some interesting questions for me. I'd probably roll with it, and open up the back of my vehicle, as long as no firearms were unsecured back there, and show them what was there. They might be impressed, be deflated and lose interest, build rapport and mutual respect, or I might smell alcohol on their breath and I could hook them for public intoxication, or drunk and disorderly.
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Uh, I got nothin'. I'll admit that I was mildly, very mildly, conflicted. I giggled, won't lie. It did raise some interesting questions for me. I'd probably roll with it, and open up the back of my vehicle, as long as no firearms were unsecured back there, and show them what was there. They might be impressed, be deflated and lose interest, build rapport and mutual respect, or I might smell alcohol on their breath and I could hook them for public intoxication, or drunk and disorderly.
There's a certain NY "caliber guy" who, learning that I possessed a CCW, would disarm me, run every serial # of every weapon in my trunk and WORK at articulating a reason to take me to jail. That's the bitch that none of us likes because crap like that tends to foster ill-will towards an honorable profession and does absolutely nothing to curtail "crime." He has clones out there...  
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Posted: 1/21/2014 7:42:07 PM EST
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Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. I've heard this a lot. Never seen any actual evidence of it though. Just circle the wagons. Hey man it could be any of us next time! You want evidence?? Okay Item #1 Item 2 Item 3 A simple google search is all that's needed for evidence. For everyone of those stories, you can find a million more that show cops getting away with murder, assualt, attempted murder and nothing happens to them at all. Millions, eh? 
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Posted: 1/21/2014 7:47:13 PM EST
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For everyone of those stories, you can find a million more that show cops getting away with murder, assualt, attempted murder and nothing happens to them at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. I've heard this a lot. Never seen any actual evidence of it though. Just circle the wagons. Hey man it could be any of us next time! You want evidence?? Okay Item #1 Item 2 Item 3 A simple google search is all that's needed for evidence. For everyone of those stories, you can find a million more that show cops getting away with murder, assualt, attempted murder and nothing happens to them at all. 2+2= potato It doesn't matter that its wrong. I posted it with confidence and that's all that matters. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 8:36:50 PM EST
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In the town I grew up in they just stopped you if you're driving a Muscle Car or a Harley and filled out their Field Interview Cards........ It was their way of telling you to move on to the next City over.... Funny after I turned 30 I became invisible to them.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just fishing? That's his frikkin job. He is paid to be suspicious- it's in the job description. I never said it wasn't. But why talk to them if they are just trying to find something to get you on? They aren't trying to find something to get you on. They are looking for criminals, and talking to you tells them that you are not up to anything so they don't need to waste your time or their time. In the town I grew up in they just stopped you if you're driving a Muscle Car or a Harley and filled out their Field Interview Cards........ It was their way of telling you to move on to the next City over.... Funny after I turned 30 I became invisible to them.... Yep, had them waste plenty of my time when I was younger and didn't know any better. |
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Posted: 1/21/2014 8:38:20 PM EST
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I have seen that too- more in small towns than bigger cities. As a very general rule most troublemakers tend to be young people. Once you pass 30 you usually have too many responsibilities to do much besides speed now and then. You have a career that you don't want to risk instead of just a crappy job, you tend to have a wife and kids that need you working instead of sitting in jail, etc. From what I have seen, and this is in no way a blanket accusation of anyone in particular, most troublemakers are 25 and younger. You rarely see someone 40 or over filming cops at roadblocks or taunting them in any way. Most problem cops are under 30 with less than 5 years on the job. Small town cops tend to have a worse attitude and are usually more pushy than cops in bigger cities. There are always exceptions and it is usually the big city cops that make the news, but small towns use their cops to generate revenue, and that is where you tend to find more speed traps, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just fishing? That's his frikkin job. He is paid to be suspicious- it's in the job description. I never said it wasn't. But why talk to them if they are just trying to find something to get you on? They aren't trying to find something to get you on. They are looking for criminals, and talking to you tells them that you are not up to anything so they don't need to waste your time or their time. In the town I grew up in they just stopped you if you're driving a Muscle Car or a Harley and filled out their Field Interview Cards........ It was their way of telling you to move on to the next City over.... Funny after I turned 30 I became invisible to them.... I have seen that too- more in small towns than bigger cities. As a very general rule most troublemakers tend to be young people. Once you pass 30 you usually have too many responsibilities to do much besides speed now and then. You have a career that you don't want to risk instead of just a crappy job, you tend to have a wife and kids that need you working instead of sitting in jail, etc. From what I have seen, and this is in no way a blanket accusation of anyone in particular, most troublemakers are 25 and younger. You rarely see someone 40 or over filming cops at roadblocks or taunting them in any way. Most problem cops are under 30 with less than 5 years on the job. Small town cops tend to have a worse attitude and are usually more pushy than cops in bigger cities. There are always exceptions and it is usually the big city cops that make the news, but small towns use their cops to generate revenue, and that is where you tend to find more speed traps, etc. Once you pass 30 you have lawyers... |
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Posted: 1/22/2014 6:06:54 AM EST
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I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me because I neither said nor in any way implied such a thing. When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? |
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Posted: 1/22/2014 6:13:46 AM EST
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Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me because I neither said nor in any way implied such a thing. When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? It isnt. It's an avoidance of most of a negative outcome. Getting stopped in itself is an annoyance and a negative (albeit mostly minor) outcome. Other outcomes are possible. They include being battered by the cop for some reason, or being killed. If you're in New Mexico, you may also be raped under color of law while they search for non existent drugs. Normally that won't last more than a day or cost you more than $6k in hospital bills. |
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Posted: 1/22/2014 8:25:21 AM EST
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It isnt. It's an avoidance of most of a negative outcome. Getting stopped in itself is an annoyance and a negative (albeit mostly minor) outcome. Other outcomes are possible. They include being battered by the cop for some reason, or being killed. If you're in New Mexico, you may also be raped under color of law while they search for non existent drugs. Normally that won't last more than a day or cost you more than $6k in hospital bills. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me because I neither said nor in any way implied such a thing. When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? It isnt. It's an avoidance of most of a negative outcome. Getting stopped in itself is an annoyance and a negative (albeit mostly minor) outcome. Other outcomes are possible. They include being battered by the cop for some reason, or being killed. If you're in New Mexico, you may also be raped under color of law while they search for non existent drugs. Normally that won't last more than a day or cost you more than $6k in hospital bills. Damn, make it two days and 3k and I can envision flights from San Fran picking up considerably. Land Of Enchantment, indeed... 
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Posted: 1/22/2014 8:31:09 AM EST
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me because I neither said nor in any way implied such a thing. When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? Not getting a ticket to the policeman's ball downtown at the court house, for one. |
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Posted: 1/22/2014 8:35:04 AM EST
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Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me because I neither said nor in any way implied such a thing. When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? because you had already earned several hundred dollars in tickets |
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Posted: 1/22/2014 8:36:11 AM EST
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Not getting a ticket to the policeman's ball downtown at the court house, for one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me because I neither said nor in any way implied such a thing. When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? Not getting a ticket to the policeman's ball downtown at the court house, for one. troopers dont have balls
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Posted: 1/22/2014 8:36:33 AM EST
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The OC zealots are also "exercising their rights"
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Posted: 1/22/2014 8:39:39 AM EST
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Not getting a ticket to the policeman's ball downtown at the court house, for one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure you meant to quote me because I neither said nor in any way implied such a thing. When a person gets stopped by the police there are three basic outcomes possible: arrest, ticket, or let go. None of them are positive and two of them will put you in a worse situation than you were before the traffic stop began. Now you care to explain where in the blue fuck your question came from? I'd say a warning on a righteous stop is a postive outcome - ie you have a brain fart and run a red light, cop stops you, you acknowledge said brain fart, no harm caused by said brain fart & cop says please pay more attention have a nice night. Yes, it does happen that way - maybe not to the "Am I being detained" chest thumpers in GD though. Really? How is me getting a warning contributing something positive to my life? Not getting a ticket to the policeman's ball downtown at the court house, for one. Positives do not start with "not". What you are describing is neither positive nor negative. It is something not happening. |
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Posted: 1/22/2014 9:49:49 AM EST
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Ever hear of internal affairs???
Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. I've heard this a lot. Never seen any actual evidence of it though. Just circle the wagons. Hey man it could be any of us next time! You want evidence?? Okay Item #1 Item 2 Item 3 A simple google search is all that's needed for evidence. For everyone of those stories, you can find a million more that show cops getting away with murder, assualt, attempted murder and nothing happens to them at all. Millions, eh? 
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Posted: 1/22/2014 9:58:59 AM EST
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Posted: 1/22/2014 10:28:53 AM EST
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Posted: 1/22/2014 10:29:33 AM EST
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Posted: 1/22/2014 10:32:35 AM EST
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In the town I grew up in they just stopped you if you're driving a Muscle Car or a Harley and filled out their Field Interview Cards....... In the town I grew up in they stopped you if you were a teenager and then proceeded to search your car without even asking for consent. |
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