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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:38:03 AM EDT
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My 19 year old son was sworn in to the Army yesterday.
Leaves for Fort Jackson August 26. MOS 92F  Attached FileHes the one on the right, my 17 year old on the left. We ran into their kindergarten teacher out at a restaurant. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:38:47 AM EDT
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71%?
Need to bump those numbers up. I'd rather more qualifications be in place and have 80-85% ineligible. And anyone who thinks the draft or compulsory military service is a good idea hasn't seen the shitbag Soldiers who don't want to do anything remotely difficult yet at one point in time volunteered to serve. I can't even imagine the level of bullshit from someone doing a 1 year conscription or a 2 year compulsory enlistment. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:39:48 AM EDT
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Wait until another war pops off and watch all the waivers come pouring in. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:40:07 AM EDT
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As a former Drill SGT I can fix them, had a kid somehow make it to us 40lbs overweight. After 14 weeks the dude looked like Michael Jorden and lost over 50lbs. If SHTF waivers will be given and the military will fix most of them, and the marginal soldiers will assume stateside positions. Not everyone can be Infantry. Somebody has to run a spoon and serve the Mac and cheese. Even if only 15-30% of America could serve that is 45-90 million troops. So 45-90 task forces comprising of a million troops each if my math is right. we will be ok. Nor do we have enough Drill Sgt’s, Drill instructors and whatever they Air Force and navy calls their versions. You going to train 500 man platoons? I am not trying to disrespect you in any way. God bless the initial instructors. There just aren’t enough of you, even pulling in retirees and former instructors that have finished there tour. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:41:02 AM EDT
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meanwhile, my 12 year old is wondering why the USMC pull up standards are so pussified |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:45:03 AM EDT
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No it can't. I have no idea why people think this is a thing. This isn't the 60's anymore. The modern US Military wants already fit individuals so they can be made even more fit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The weight can be dealt with in training. If I remember a while back some kids in trouble with the law were given the choice between joining the military or jail I have no idea why people think this is a thing. This isn't the 60's anymore. The modern US Military wants already fit individuals so they can be made even more fit. Then you need guys to do base security, details, man the phones, radios etc. They don't need super fit people for that. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:46:28 AM EDT
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Ya'll are going down the wrong path here. If we're going to piss everyone off with a draft, might as well do it right and empty the colleges/trade schools of all the alpha males who are currently eligible for service.
If we're forcing people, we don't just have to deal with the part of the population that doesn't qualify. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:48:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. We do not have the training facilities to even approach that number. Nor do we have enough Drill Sgt's, Drill instructors and whatever they Air Force and navy calls their versions. You going to train 500 man platoons? I am not trying to disrespect you in any way. God bless the initial instructors. There just aren't enough of you, even pulling in retirees and former instructors that have finished there tour. If it wasn't for Sadam Hussein's war and a waiver I would have never made it in the military. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:49:50 AM EDT
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Does it matter? It's not 1940 where victory depends on masses of conscripts slinging dumb artillery. We have nukes, drones, and volunteers now. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:50:01 AM EDT
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Which is blamed on early education lack thereof IMHO, not mental incapacity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also stated, they didn't have the intelligence necessary to join. 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:51:43 AM EDT
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I guess this means we are going to have to read a lot more wish I would have joined the military threads in the future. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:52:31 AM EDT
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All factors that could be dealt with if need demanded. Fat? Extended BMT with +PT sessions. No diploma? Extended BMT with enough gen ed to get a GED Criminal? Depending on the crime, may be a nothingburger. If they still can't hack it, then frontline infantry  Also I padded my DD-214 with some fat as an extra insulation to any future draft 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:53:00 AM EDT
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meanwhile, my 12 year old is wondering why the USMC pull up standards are so pussified |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:53:28 AM EDT
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How my step daughter got into the navy is beyond me. Over weight , socially dysfunctional , and a lump. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:54:16 AM EDT
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Isn't that part of the dim/lib/prog/socialists' plan? Just one more rung in the ladder they're climbing in their efforts to destroy the USA.
Won't it be funny when they find the ladder is to the gallows. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 11:59:22 AM EDT
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Just fill the ranks with illegal aliens and offer them amnesty. Of course |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:04:14 PM EDT
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Espanol is on the way to becoming the official language regardless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just fill the ranks with illegal aliens and offer them amnesty. Of course |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:06:10 PM EDT
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Lol. We do not have the training facilities to even approach that number. Nor do we have enough Drill Sgt’s, Drill instructors and whatever they Air Force and navy calls their versions. You going to train 500 man platoons? I am not trying to disrespect you in any way. God bless the initial instructors. There just aren’t enough of you, even pulling in retirees and former instructors that have finished there tour. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a former Drill SGT I can fix them, had a kid somehow make it to us 40lbs overweight. After 14 weeks the dude looked like Michael Jorden and lost over 50lbs. If SHTF waivers will be given and the military will fix most of them, and the marginal soldiers will assume stateside positions. Not everyone can be Infantry. Somebody has to run a spoon and serve the Mac and cheese. Even if only 15-30% of America could serve that is 45-90 million troops. So 45-90 task forces comprising of a million troops each if my math is right. we will be ok. Nor do we have enough Drill Sgt’s, Drill instructors and whatever they Air Force and navy calls their versions. You going to train 500 man platoons? I am not trying to disrespect you in any way. God bless the initial instructors. There just aren’t enough of you, even pulling in retirees and former instructors that have finished there tour. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:29:14 PM EDT
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Does it matter? It's not 1940 where victory depends on masses of conscripts slinging dumb artillery. We have nukes, drones, and volunteers now. The days of massed infantry slugging it out with one another are over and most support roles would be better off contracted to the private sector. In the long run it would be cheaper than paying legacy costs of former enlisted personnel. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:31:19 PM EDT
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Sure does...You still always need boots on the ground where needed. All the drones and smart weapons we have in our arsenal cannot defeat the enemy as a whole. We see this especially in the middle east conflicts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does it matter? It's not 1940 where victory depends on masses of conscripts slinging dumb artillery. We have nukes, drones, and volunteers now. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:44:39 PM EDT
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On the obesity side of things, if an individual really wants to join the military, then they can take it upon themselves to lose weight. It's not that difficult, I did it.
In general though just because a person is eligible for the military doesn't mean they should join. I deal with enough people that don't want to be in that volunteer. I sure as hell don't want more people that half ass their job, especially working on aircraft. That's how you get people killed. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:48:31 PM EDT
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In WW2 very few had the education of young people today. And on the opposite side of the perspective many were small due to poor diet borderline starving. WW3 might be good for the population and the fatties. Won't be a good day... 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:50:21 PM EDT
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The military is still stuck in the Stone Age as far as measuring obesity. BMI is a garbage measurement. They would probably get much different figures if they went to a better technique. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:51:56 PM EDT
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Less than 1% join and serve anyway. It could be 90% and there'd still not be blip in recruiting.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:53:16 PM EDT
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Basically this. The days of massed infantry slugging it out with one another are over and most support roles would be better off contracted to the private sector. In the long run it would be cheaper than paying legacy costs of former enlisted personnel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does it matter? It's not 1940 where victory depends on masses of conscripts slinging dumb artillery. We have nukes, drones, and volunteers now. The days of massed infantry slugging it out with one another are over and most support roles would be better off contracted to the private sector. In the long run it would be cheaper than paying legacy costs of former enlisted personnel. 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 12:55:01 PM EDT
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Add prescribed drug use for things that are new age ilnesses. ADD, ADHD, bipolar, and many more. Parents are so quick to prescribe meds to kids and doctors are so quick to give some diagnosis. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:00:09 PM EDT
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All factors that could be dealt with if need demanded. Fat? Extended BMT with +PT sessions. No diploma? Extended BMT with enough gen ed to get a GED Criminal? Depending on the crime, may be a nothingburger. If they still can't hack it, then frontline infantry
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:13:50 PM EDT
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No you have the weak and lame serve chow and mow grass stateside. They can load aircraft with supplies for the fighters. Then you need guys to do base security, details, man the phones, radios etc. They don't need super fit people for that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The weight can be dealt with in training. If I remember a while back some kids in trouble with the law were given the choice between joining the military or jail I have no idea why people think this is a thing. This isn't the 60's anymore. The modern US Military wants already fit individuals so they can be made even more fit. Then you need guys to do base security, details, man the phones, radios etc. They don't need super fit people for that. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:15:06 PM EDT
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Been that way for decades.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:17:46 PM EDT
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I couldn't qualify, either. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:21:11 PM EDT
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I heard the Secretary of the Army last night in a BBC D-Day interview state that 71% (THAT's SEVENTY ONE) of the current younger generation are NON-qualified for entry into the military. That is an staggering number and a cause of grave concern. Reasons, Obesity No high school diploma Criminal Record |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:22:17 PM EDT
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The military is still stuck in the Stone Age as far as measuring obesity. BMI is a garbage measurement. They would probably get much different figures if they went to a better technique. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:24:07 PM EDT
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In other words 71% of today's young generation is fully qualified to be cannon fodder.
Everybody's got a job to do in securing our freedom. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:30:27 PM EDT
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That's in large part because politics prevented things that needed to get done from being done, not because we didn't throw enough warm bodies at it. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:32:41 PM EDT
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This is a national security issue. #1. We need to get obesity under control, #2. We need to fix society, so these kids aren't so broken. I don't know how we do either under the current degeneration of the culture.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:38:20 PM EDT
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You can fuck right off with that horse shit right there. Weak and lame ain't pushing a 65,000 pound conex onto a C17, or spinning a 9800 pound ammo pallet on broke ass floor rollers. Loading aircraft is an incredibly physical job, and it leaves a LOT of people with life long injuries and a handful dead every year. Remember the 08 Iraqi surge? 30 or so guys pushed the air mission out of Ali Al Salem. 4500 pax, 150,000 lbs of various ammo, and probably another 800 or 900,000 lbs of palletized cargo and rolling stock on 50 or so missions every single day, with 100% visibility on everything. Not to mention all the load planning and capability forecasting that went into it. If you're a broke dick whiney little bitch, the aerial port doesn't want you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The weight can be dealt with in training. If I remember a while back some kids in trouble with the law were given the choice between joining the military or jail I have no idea why people think this is a thing. This isn't the 60's anymore. The modern US Military wants already fit individuals so they can be made even more fit. Then you need guys to do base security, details, man the phones, radios etc. They don't need super fit people for that. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:43:35 PM EDT
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If it makes you feel better only 8% are interested in military service
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, but SEVENTY ONE PERCENT. Guess I've been living under a rock with that staggering number!   Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:51:49 PM EDT
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I arrived at FT Benning summer of 1989 at 225lbs, left at 179lbs, running 5 miles was nothing at the end. You can be fixed, if the cadre is allowed to.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 1:54:08 PM EDT
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It's not like most are joining otherwise. I'm sure they'll be the future members of this site posting "I regret...' threads |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:02:56 PM EDT
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Wait until another war pops off and watch all the waivers come pouring in. WTF... OK, night shift for you it is. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:04:28 PM EDT
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Primary Disqualifiers
Medical Mental Health Criminal Record Drug use Education Miscellaneous (like the tattoo and ear gauge examples above) Had some great recruits show up to Recruit Training and get sent home a few weeks later after discovering disqualifying medical conditions. Those were the "heart breaker" situations. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:06:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure does...You still always need boots on the ground where needed. All the drones and smart weapons we have in our arsenal cannot defeat the enemy as a whole. We see this especially in the middle east conflicts. The only reason to put troops on the ground is to occupy ground that you want to keep for some reason. Troops on the ground in places that you plan on giving back is stupid, especially in the middle east, unless you are planning on giving the region a culture transplant. Since politics follows culture, and not the oher way around, regime change is largely pointless in the long run without a true cultural shift...which takes generations...which would be largly the same as not giving it back. Our interventions in the middle east should have been punish from the air and leave. Repeat as necessary. As far as our national security is concerned, that would have accomplished as much as what we actually did, and at far less cost in nlood and treasure for us. The United States has not benefitted in any appreciable way from the ground invasions we did in Iraq or Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:12:05 PM EDT
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Just fill the ranks with illegal aliens and offer them amnesty. Of course |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:12:22 PM EDT
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That's in large part because politics prevented things that needed to get done from being done, not because we didn't throw enough warm bodies at it. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:12:57 PM EDT
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As you should. Job well done!  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both my kids are in the military Son USMC https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74272/0855B81B-E916-4AC6-A3B5-0828C1AA44D8_jpeg-971631.JPG Daughter swore in to Army NG, goes to basic in August. Pink hair https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74272/C3CE0CDF-1888-414D-A3C3-E125F1FFF9B8_jpeg-971633.JPG Not pink hair https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74272/3E65044F-7225-40C9-ADCE-50B3F26D91CE_jpeg-971634.JPG I'm very proud of them both. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:14:05 PM EDT
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No it can't. I have no idea why people think this is a thing. This isn't the 60's anymore. The modern US Military wants already fit individuals so they can be made even more fit. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:14:10 PM EDT
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When I was joining in 1989, there were statistics that were used saying that only 26% of Americans were able to join the military. It appears that number hasn't changed much in 30 years. It has, in fact, risen to the point where 29% are able to join. WINNING!!!!  
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:15:54 PM EDT
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As from 4+ years of experience as a Recruiter, its actually less... And even fewer can actually pass the ASVAB. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 2:16:54 PM EDT
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Does it matter? It's not 1940 where victory depends on masses of conscripts slinging dumb artillery. We have nukes, drones, and volunteers now. |
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