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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:29:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No please, keep speaking your secret language.  |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:30:44 PM EST
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Different time, but Eisenhower did buy into this idea. “Massive Retaliation”, ie we will nuke you ‘till you glow if we get into brushfire wars with you. So don’t. That’s why we didn’t go into Vietnam under him, to avoid a small war that became a big one. Kennedy changed that strategy...and got us into Vietnam. Make of that what you will.  Crisis in Lebanon 1958 |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:35:19 PM EST
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As a former Drill SGT I can fix them, had a kid somehow make it to us 40lbs overweight. After 14 weeks the dude looked like Michael Jorden and lost over 50lbs. If SHTF waivers will be given and the military will fix most of them, and the marginal soldiers will assume stateside positions. Not everyone can be Infantry. Somebody has to run a spoon and serve the Mac and cheese. Even if only 15-30% of America could serve that is 45-90 million troops. So 45-90 task forces comprising of a million troops each if my math is right. we will be ok. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:39:43 PM EST
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This. The military gets more volunteers than they want out of the other 29% anyway. If for some reason they don't, they'll lower their standards to qualify a higher percentage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does it matter? It's not 1940 where victory depends on masses of conscripts slinging dumb artillery. We have nukes, drones, and volunteers now. The military gets more volunteers than they want out of the other 29% anyway. If for some reason they don't, they'll lower their standards to qualify a higher percentage. https://www.stripes.com/news/army/army-misses-2018-recruiting-goal-which-hasn-t-happened-since-2005-1.548580 |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:52:08 PM EST
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I didn’t read the thread...
A couple years back, a General from TRADOC came to the Air Assault school to see how we ran the school. I had to sit down with a few choice instructors and listen to him talk about stuff. He brought up how people aren’t qualified to get into the military and it is a real problem. I laughed. My 1SG gave me the stink eye...but he was a good 1SG.... The general asked why I was laughing... I told him the “standards” for our military when it comes to anything are decided by you and others like you. If we need more bodies, you will lower the standards to meet numbers. Look at Iraq...we were taking 1 time non-violent felons... That isn’t exactly what I said...but it was close. He didn’t really reply to my comment and moved on to sexual assault. So ya...it’s bullshit. That 70% can become any percent depending on what we need and what else is going on. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 3:53:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the Army miss its recruiting goal then? https://www.stripes.com/news/army/army-misses-2018-recruiting-goal-which-hasn-t-happened-since-2005-1.548580 |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:02:55 PM EST
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Everyone who enlisted on a waiver raise your hand
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:14:19 PM EST
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Because they have retarded goals. Obama wanted the Army to go from 569,000 down to 420,000 but after much wringing of hands 2011 Congress and Obama decided 440-450,000. GOP Congress in 2016 said fuck that we’re keeping it at 476,000. Trump came in and to face China the Army said it needed 540,000 by 2024. Congress said okay. But they couldn’t recruit enough to grow so last fall the Army stayed at 476,000. Now it hopes to grow 2,000 a year instead of 7,000 a year |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:18:38 PM EST
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At the start of 9/11 there was 483,000 troops. After stop loss, IRR and reserve call ups and the 2007 surge the Army asked Congress for permission to grow to 570,000 for Iraq & Afghanistan commitments Obama wanted the Army to go from 569,000 down to 420,000 but after much wringing of hands 2011 Congress and Obama decided 440-450,000. GOP Congress in 2016 said fuck that we’re keeping it at 476,000. Trump came in and to face China the Army said it needed 540,000 by 2024. Congress said okay. But they couldn’t recruit enough to grow so last fall the Army stayed at 476,000. Now it hopes to grow 2,000 a year instead of 7,000 a year Or being a hero single mom... |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:22:11 PM EST
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Everyone who enlisted on a waiver raise your hand
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:23:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I took my 13yo daughter to the county fair and the USMC had their usual recruitment booth with the pull up bar. She made the comment about the USAF didn't have cool cammies like the Marines. The smaller of the two recruiters offered her one of their swag backpacks if she could beat him at her choice of push ups or pull ups in 30 seconds...she dropped to forward leaning rest and cranked out 34 push ups before the kid could even get his stopwatch set up. He gave her the bag and told me with a wink "Good job dad"... 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:25:00 PM EST
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My 19 year old son was sworn in to the Army yesterday. Leaves for Fort Jackson August 26. MOS 92F https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/191468/20190126_202917_jpg-971658.JPG Hes the one on the right, my 17 year old on the left. We ran into their kindergarten teacher out at a restaurant. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:25:56 PM EST
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Yep my 11 yr old has to do 6-11 pull ups every night before bed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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meanwhile, my 12 year old is wondering why the USMC pull up standards are so pussified 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:28:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why join the Army when I can get disability for my back that I hurt while working 3rd shift at Kroger and smoke dope all day to take the pain away. The. Get called a hero because I am addicted to heroin and carry Narcan with me Incase of my friends go down. Or being a hero single mom... |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:30:39 PM EST
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I love how Infantry vets don't want dummies but non vets think all infantry are cannon fodder when I read these threads Funny watching him on his prayer rug after his platoon smoked two dudes that morning. Seems like many of the really dumb guys are in some service and support MOS(supply etc). |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:31:05 PM EST
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But can they spell?
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:31:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I’m very proud of them both.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:33:32 PM EST
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The weight can be dealt with in training. If I remember a while back some kids in trouble with the law were given the choice between joining the military or jail They're not 10-pounds over ... they're 75 pounds over and it's not possibly to lose that much weight safely while also attending the 14-hours worth of other training per day. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:33:51 PM EST
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Everyone who enlisted on a waiver raise your hand
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:35:45 PM EST
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Man the legions with barbarians; what could possibly go wrong? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just fill the ranks with illegal aliens and offer them amnesty. Of course |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:37:13 PM EST
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Criminal record, eh? Then stop making stupid laws. There’s a lot of shit people should not have a criminal record for.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:37:23 PM EST
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All the more reason for mandatory 2-year service for all of them. 
You don't want mandatory morons fucking up 500 million dollar weapon systems or launching ICBM's by accident. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:39:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Not in my Navy.
You don't want mandatory morons fucking up 500 million dollar weapon systems or launching ICBM's by accident. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:40:03 PM EST
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Wait until another war pops off and watch all the waivers come pouring in. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:42:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Not in my Navy.
You don't want mandatory morons fucking up 500 million dollar weapon systems or launching ICBM's by accident. 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:42:27 PM EST
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I took my 13yo daughter to the county fair and the USMC had their usual recruitment booth with the pull up bar. She made the comment about the USAF didn't have cool cammies like the Marines. The smaller of the two recruiters offered her one of their swag backpacks if she could beat him at her choice of push ups or pull ups in 30 seconds...she dropped to forward leaning rest and cranked out 34 push ups before the kid could even get his stopwatch set up. He gave her the bag and told me with a wink "Good job dad"... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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meanwhile, my 12 year old is wondering why the USMC pull up standards are so pussified The smaller of the two recruiters offered her one of their swag backpacks if she could beat him at her choice of push ups or pull ups in 30 seconds...she dropped to forward leaning rest and cranked out 34 push ups before the kid could even get his stopwatch set up. He gave her the bag and told me with a wink "Good job dad"... |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:45:00 PM EST
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Too late, that's what we have now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just fill the ranks with illegal aliens and offer them amnesty. Of course However, in ancient times, it was foreigners who could not speak Greek (and later Latin). In late imperial times, Roman citizens rejected traditional republican values, which included military service from all able bodied men, as quaint and outdated. Instead they pursued hedonism, leisure and largesse from the state. They armed, equipped and placed their defense largely in the hands of non citizens with the promise of citizenship at the end of their term of service. We all know how that worked out. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 4:54:00 PM EST
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That was in the 60s and earlier. The military was much larger, the draft was in effect, and standards were lower. There are always a few individual exceptions, but overall, the military is better off without them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The weight can be dealt with in training. If I remember a while back some kids in trouble with the law were given the choice between joining the military or jail There are always a few individual exceptions, but overall, the military is better off without them. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:02:47 PM EST
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The weight can be dealt with in training. If I remember a while back some kids in trouble with the law were given the choice between joining the military or jail |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:05:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You missed a huge number that are on anti-depression meds as well. They just hired an 18 year old at work this past week. He's worthless as tits on a bull...........
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:07:31 PM EST
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How long before childhood Ritalin/adderall use will no longer be disqualifying? You have to be off it for a year and then you are good to go. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:09:31 PM EST
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I worked with a guy who had this exact offer from a judge in 1988. Great guy. In 1988? No fucking way. He's a liar. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:24:09 PM EST
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No it can't. I have no idea why people think this is a thing. This isn't the 60's anymore. The modern US Military wants already fit individuals so they can be made even more fit. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:28:18 PM EST
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In 1968? Maybe. In 1988? No fucking way. He's a liar. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I worked with a guy who had this exact offer from a judge in 1988. Great guy. In 1988? No fucking way. He's a liar. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:29:14 PM EST
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I talked to an Army recruiter when I was 16 because I had many questions. I was told I wouldn't be accepted into any branch due to flat (I mean FLAT) feet, asthma and congenital back issues. A year later I met a few people young and old, vets and non vets who showed me the light. Fighting spirit is good, being a state servant/slave is bad. Later, I lived with a Vietnam vet for a year and he told me many terrible things our government did to him and made him do. I am glad now I was ineligible. You can be part of something bigger than you by helping your local community. Don't volunteer to kill people just because they don't have a central bank.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:32:10 PM EST
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I talked to an Army recruiter when I was 16 because I had many questions. I was told I wouldn't be accepted into any branch due to flat (I mean FLAT) feet, asthma and congenital back issues. A year later I met a few people young and old, vets and non vets who showed me the light. Fighting spirit is good, being a state servant/slave is bad. Later, I lived with a Vietnam vet for a year and he told me many terrible things our government did to him and made him do. I am glad now I was ineligible. You can be part of something bigger than you by helping your local community. Don't volunteer to kill people just because they don't have a central bank. 
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:33:52 PM EST
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When I was joining in 1989, there were statistics that were used saying that only 26% of Americans were able to join the military. It appears that number hasn't changed much in 30 years. It has, in fact, risen to the point where 29% are able to join. WINNING!!!! 1981, all my high school teachers and administrators were telling me how I was "wasting my potential" by joining the Army; even back then, the vast majority of the public wouldn't have qualified to enlist in any way, shape, or form. Medical, criminal records, unable to pass the tests... The bar was set a hell of a lot lower in '81 than it was in '82, though. The big difference was that they were able to get a more qualified applicant pool. I swear to God, when I went to MEPS in '81, there were guys there who were looking a lot like they came straight out of your abnormal psych textbooks. They got rejected, too--But, the recruiters were 'effing desperate, and they'd throw anything up against the wall that looked like it might stick. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:36:11 PM EST
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Oddly enough, on this day, June 7, in 1940, the first peacetime draft went into effect.
They had a very high rejection rate even then: "On this day in 1940, the Burke-Wadsworth Act is passed by Congress, by wide margins in both houses, and the first peacetime draft in the history of the United States is imposed. Selective Service was born. The registration of men between the ages of 21 and 36 began exactly one month later, as Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson, who had been a key player in moving the Roosevelt administration away from a foreign policy of strict neutrality, began drawing draft numbers out of a glass bowl. The numbers were handed to the president, who read them aloud for public announcement. There were some 20 million eligible young men50 percent were rejected the very first year, either for health reasons or illiteracy (20 percent of those who registered were illiterate)." I would like to point out that they rejected 50 PERCENT, and that high school graduation was NOT a requirement. They merely wanted people to be able to read. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:39:46 PM EST
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All the more reason for mandatory 2-year service for all of them. I didn't have the time or the patience to be riding herd on conscript soldiers who don't want to be where they are. Y'all want to do social engineering to fix your kids, do it at home when it's actually your damn job, and don't slough it off on the military. Swear to God, I hate that mentality soooooo much... "Why didn't you fix in six months what I took 18 years to fuck up...?". People don't want to parent, and expect the teachers and the NCOs to somehow make up for their failures? Nope. Keep that kid at home, where I hope you have a basement available until they're 45. Parents need to step up to the plate, and do their damn jobs. You had the kid, it's like you have a dog; their behavior and conduct is a reflection on you. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:48:36 PM EST
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I talked to an Army recruiter when I was 16 because I had many questions. I was told I wouldn't be accepted into any branch due to flat (I mean FLAT) feet, asthma and congenital back issues. A year later I met a few people young and old, vets and non vets who showed me the light. Fighting spirit is good, being a state servant/slave is bad. Later, I lived with a Vietnam vet for a year and he told me many terrible things our government did to him and made him do. I am glad now I was ineligible. You can be part of something bigger than you by helping your local community. Don't volunteer to kill people just because they don't have a central bank. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 5:51:46 PM EST
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All factors that could be dealt with if need demanded. Fat? Extended BMT with +PT sessions. No diploma? Extended BMT with enough gen ed to get a GED Criminal? Depending on the crime, may be a nothingburger. If they still can't hack it, then frontline infantry  The film is based on E. M. Nathanson's novel of the same name that was inspired by a real-life group called the "Filthy Thirteen". |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:01:37 PM EST
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Maybe not a go to jail or go military, but I will say that I've seen cases dropped by County Attorney for minor stuff if the kid in question had enlisted already at the time. Hell I've let kids off with a warning for shit like minor in possession, when I knew they'd already signed on the line. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:04:00 PM EST
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understood. But there was no enlist or go to jail in '88.
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:09:13 PM EST
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Maybe the military just needs to lower its standards like all the universities
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:09:17 PM EST
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understood. But there was no enlist or go to jail in '88. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:09:30 PM EST
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I talked to an Army recruiter when I was 16 because I had many questions. I was told I wouldn't be accepted into any branch due to flat (I mean FLAT) feet, asthma and congenital back issues. A year later I met a few people young and old, vets and non vets who showed me the light. Fighting spirit is good, being a state servant/slave is bad. Later, I lived with a Vietnam vet for a year and he told me many terrible things our government did to him and made him do. I am glad now I was ineligible. You can be part of something bigger than you by helping your local community. Don't volunteer to kill people just because they don't have a central bank. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:13:35 PM EST
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We did have one guy re-enlist from the 70s who told us crazy stories about "if you can tuck it, you can keep it" hair regs and race riots while he was stationed in Germany. He was way older than us and he got his own room even though he was just an E-4. One of the drill sergeants was an E-5 who claimed 13 years of active duty service stretching back to the 70s who dumber than rocks and his only claim to fame was his mirror like Jump boots even though he wasn't ABN qualified. Definitely made me wonder about how things were during the Carter years |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:13:48 PM EST
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The services should just re establish the “Fat Farms” (Physical Conditioning Platoon) like they had during the Vietnam war. They spent their day learning about health and weight control along with exercise and strength training.
Criminal record, no problem. The recruiter was going to take me to the bus depot, on the way he stopped at the county jail of to fill up the van with 5 other recruits. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:16:03 PM EST
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What the hell lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I talked to an Army recruiter when I was 16 because I had many questions. I was told I wouldn't be accepted into any branch due to flat (I mean FLAT) feet, asthma and congenital back issues. A year later I met a few people young and old, vets and non vets who showed me the light. Fighting spirit is good, being a state servant/slave is bad. Later, I lived with a Vietnam vet for a year and he told me many terrible things our government did to him and made him do. I am glad now I was ineligible. You can be part of something bigger than you by helping your local community. Don't volunteer to kill people just because they don't have a central bank. |
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Posted: 6/7/2019 6:16:05 PM EST
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How did the Army miss its recruiting goal then? https://www.stripes.com/news/army/army-misses-2018-recruiting-goal-which-hasn-t-happened-since-2005-1.548580
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