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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:22:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't even have to go that far. If the DEA gets 10% of their budget from marijuana enforcement (Which I would guess is off by a lot) - you really expect them to cut 10% out of their budget on their own?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The more stuff they can keep "ultra illegal" the more money they make on raids and asset seizure. They have no interest in making society more free. Don't even have to go that far. If the DEA gets 10% of their budget from marijuana enforcement (Which I would guess is off by a lot) - you really expect them to cut 10% out of their budget on their own? Once an organization get so big, it takes on a life of its own. It protects its interest against all who threaten it. Which is exactly what the government is doing and has been for at least the last 40+ years that I am aware of. The non-medical uses is a joke, they keep it schedule I, which makes it very difficult to do any research with it, then claims no research proof. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:22:48 AM EDT
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Good.
I don't want my kids to grow up in a world where pot is legal. Pot is the devil's tool to do the devil's bidding. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:23:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's economics. They make a lot of money off putting people in jail for weed. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:24:49 AM EDT
[#4]
should be a state level issue
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:25:08 AM EDT
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Be interesting to see all the present day and past day big shots in DC who have big pharma stock in their portfolios
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:25:20 AM EDT
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To any doctors here..........how can marijuana be considered as bad as heroin and worse than meth and cocaine?
Why do so many states allow medical marijuana but the DEA won't? My layman's guess is "pension and dental plan". |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:26:09 AM EDT
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Good. I don't want my kids to grow up in a world where pot is legal. Pot is the devil's tool to do the devil's bidding. Morphine made from opium to relieve pain and suffering is ok though...correct? |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:27:18 AM EDT
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So are the Fed's gearing up now to do a massive raid on the entire state of Colorado?
The more states that give the feds the finger over marijuana, the stupider the feds look. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:28:34 AM EDT
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I hope Trump gets rid of the entire agency in addition to about ten other useless ones. I want to see soup lines from one end of D.C. to the other.
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:29:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So are the Fed's gearing up now to do a massive raid on the entire state of Colorado? The more states that give the feds the finger over marijuana, the stupider the feds look. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:30:37 AM EDT
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I hate stupid.
this is stupid. the nations capital has had medical mj for decades..... the nations capital....... |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:31:29 AM EDT
[#12]
Doubled down on the retard
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:33:35 AM EDT
[#13]
Dopers lol
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:36:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate stupid. this is stupid. the nations capital has had medical mj for decades..... the nations capital....... |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:43:37 AM EDT
[#15]
Relying on a federal agency to change the classification is fucking stupid though. Many on this site cry when the BATFE changes classifications on firearms by a bureaucrat. Yet when a bureaucrat protects their job by making pot needles illegal, well that is good for america!
Congress is the proper venue to decriminalize marijuana. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:44:43 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Relying on a federal agency to change the classification is fucking stupid though. Many on this site cry when the BATFE changes classifications on firearms by a bureaucrat. Yet when a bureaucrat protects their job by making pot needles illegal, well that is good for america! Congress is the proper venue to decriminalize marijuana. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:44:50 AM EDT
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Relying on a federal agency to change the classification is fucking stupid though. Many on this site cry when the BATFE changes classifications on firearms by a bureaucrat. Yet when a bureaucrat protects their job by making pot needles illegal, well that is good for america! Congress is the proper venue to decriminalize marijuana. Well, no shit. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:46:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Relying on a federal agency to change the classification is fucking stupid though. Many on this site cry when the BATFE changes classifications on firearms by a bureaucrat. Yet when a bureaucrat protects their job by making pot needles illegal, well that is good for america! Congress is the proper venue to decriminalize marijuana. Good luck with that. Yeah, I know you were just saying, but is it any surprise folks are hoping the bureaucrat does the right thing? |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:46:15 AM EDT
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Marijuana is worse than Cocaine 
So when will they classify tobacco as a Schedule 1 drug? Has no medical use and a extremely high potential for abuse with severe physical dependence. And alcohol and caffeine. Alcohol and tobacco are specifically excluded from the definition of controlled substance.
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:47:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Republicans won't reclassify it. The holy rollers would throw a tantrum and have to have a drink and a cigarette to calm down. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Relying on a federal agency to change the classification is fucking stupid though. Many on this site cry when the BATFE changes classifications on firearms by a bureaucrat. Yet when a bureaucrat protects their job by making pot needles illegal, well that is good for america! Congress is the proper venue to decriminalize marijuana. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:47:43 AM EDT
[#21]
It should be treated just like alcohol for recreational use and like a prescription medicine for medical use
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:48:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And alcohol and caffeine. Alcohol and tobacco are specifically excluded from the definition of controlled substance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Marijuana is worse than Cocaine So when will they classify tobacco as a Schedule 1 drug? Has no medical use and a extremely high potential for abuse with severe physical dependence. And alcohol and caffeine. Alcohol and tobacco are specifically excluded from the definition of controlled substance. Big surprise, it created a lot of crime and did not stop folks from using it. Why does that seem familiar? |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:50:34 AM EDT
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And alcohol and caffeine. Alcohol and tobacco are specifically excluded from the definition of controlled substance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Marijuana is worse than Cocaine
So when will they classify tobacco as a Schedule 1 drug? Has no medical use and a extremely high potential for abuse with severe physical dependence. And alcohol and caffeine. Alcohol and tobacco are specifically excluded from the definition of controlled substance. This! Alcohol kills thousands every year. Marijuana does not. Go figure. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:51:33 AM EDT
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Found one, so how much money does your department seize in the glorious fight against the devil weed? You must be proud of all the lives that are saved by making pot Illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://67.media.tumblr.com/7860aa18a1086834a05942dcc486c8cc/tumblr_n218vvbOsu1so2h9go1_1280.jpg I'll have a coke. The liquid kind. Actually a diet one please. Thanks. With ice and a piece of lemon. I am not part of a department. There's zero bills to change any of this. Not even from the democrats, when they had full control of both houses and the presidency, and a dope smoking president himself. The time that all of you are wasting on this is more valuable as a distraction to them than any amount of money spent chasing the people smuggling this into the country. The federal government, by keeping this illegal, has control. They will never, ever give up any control once they have it. It's like asking for a tax to go away. No congressional support, no push from the media, and an extremely small and incoherent population of people pursuing it. Here's the most important part - With absolutely no money to back up their cause. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:52:15 AM EDT
[#25]
Also, why is marinol schedule 3 if the plant it comes from is schedule 1? Another marijuana based drug is cesamet, which is Schedule 2.
The fact that there are already lower scheduled THC drugs contradicts marijuana being schedule 1.
ETA: Another one is nabilone. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:53:35 AM EDT
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Reclassifying it into another DEA schedule wasn't going to happen right now regardless, because of the recognized medical use issue. Decriminalizing/delisting it from Schedule I is an entirely different discussion.
There's a couple of problems to be resolved before FDA will reclassify it as "safe and effective" for a medical use. 1) An actual, rigorous, scientifically valid study proving it is safe and effective for said medical use. In the article, they even reference the existence of some studies in progress. Should one of these studies pan out, the issue will doubtlessly be revisited. Anecdotal "proof", or customary use in folk medicine, will not accomplish that. 2) The delivery system. Igniting and inhaling the smoke of ANY substance is generally considered hazardous to health, and as such will likely never be approved as a delivery system - that whole "safe" thing the FDA has such a hardon for. If it ever does get approved for some medical use, it won't be in a raw smokable form. Vaping or inhaler/nebulizer type apparatus maybe, at best. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:53:36 AM EDT
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And then there is the flip side, how much money they make not putting some people in jail for weed........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's economics. They make a lot of money off putting people in jail for weed. And then there is the flip side, how much money they make not putting some people in jail for weed........ Well, it will cost you about $2-3000 to get caught with weed and you'll probably spend a night in jail which costs them like $10 I see them still winning |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:55:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, why is marinol schedule 3 if the plant it comes from is schedule 1? Another marijuana based drug is cesamet. (Marinol is synthetic THC) The fact that there are already lower scheduled THC drugs contradicts marijuana being schedule 1. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:56:32 AM EDT
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There will be so much butt hurt in the GD as many were hoping to be able to buy the ganja
over the counter, of course all under the "freedom" BS. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:56:46 AM EDT
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The Obama administration has denied a bid by two Democratic governors to reconsider how it treats marijuana under federal drug control laws, keeping the drug for now, at least, in the most restrictive category for U.S. law enforcement purposes. Drug Enforcement Administration chief Chuck Rosenberg says the decision is rooted in science. Rosenberg gave "enormous weight" to conclusions by the Food and Drug Administration that marijuana has "no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States," and by some measures, it remains highly vulnerable to abuse as the most commonly used illicit drug across the nation. "This decision isn't based on danger. This decision is based on whether marijuana, as determined by the FDA, is a safe and effective medicine," he said, "and it's not." http://www.npr.org/2016/08/10/489509471/dea-rejects-attempt-to-loosen-federal-restrictions-on-marijuana http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/573b94ab52bcd029008c3779-1200-1285/bi-graphics_drug-scheduling-chart.png Looking at that I'd put it at 3 or 4. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:58:07 AM EDT
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In other news: Drug War is still a failed campaign, our Federal gov't sucks, and fuck Obama [/thread] |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 10:58:22 AM EDT
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By those definitions alcohol should be a Schedule 1 controlled substance. Tobacco too. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:00:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: [/thread] Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In other news: Drug War is still a failed campaign, our Federal gov't sucks, and fuck Obama [/thread] |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:02:32 AM EDT
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so should Tobacco. Odd that it took an amendment to the constitution to ban Alcohol but the .gov now just does whatever the fuck it wants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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By those definitions alcohol should be a Schedule 1 controlled substance. This. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:02:53 AM EDT
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There will be so much butt hurt in the GD as many were hoping to be able to buy the ganja over the counter, of course all under the "freedom" BS. The war on drugs causes most of the crime in cities that is used as a reason to restrict the 2nd amendment. Anti-gun pro-drugwar idiots. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:03:41 AM EDT
[#36]
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So they can claim that mj has no medical uses. Only things which COME from mj has medical uses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, why is marinol schedule 3 if the plant it comes from is schedule 1? Another marijuana based drug is cesamet. (Marinol is synthetic THC) The fact that there are already lower scheduled THC drugs contradicts marijuana being schedule 1. THC is schedule 1 but Marinol (THC + sesame oil in a pill form) is schedule 3. From the DEA's own words: http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr3/n3_Marinol.html
Marinol is the brand name of a product approved by the Food and Drug Administrtion (FDA) that contains synthetically manufactured dronabinol in sesame oil and encapsulated in a soft gelatin capsule. Id. Dronabinol is the active ingredient in Marinol. Dronabinol, in its pure form, is a schedule I controlled substance since it is one of the tetrahydrocannabinols and it has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. See 21 U.S.C. § 812(b)(1); 21 C.F.R. §1308.11(d)(27). Marinol, in contrast, has an accepted medical use and is a schedule II substance [editors note: Marinol has since been rescheduled to schedule III]. See 21 C.F.R. 1308.12(f)(1); 51 Fed. Reg. 17,476 (1986) (DEA final rule transferring Marinol from schedule I to schedule II following FDA approval of the drug for marketing). It was approved for marketing by the FDA in 1985 for the treatment of nausea and vomiting asociated with cancer chemotherapy. Id. In 1992, FDA expanded Marinol's approved indications to include treatment of anorexia associated with weight loss in patients with AIDS. (1) |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:04:22 AM EDT
[#37]
lol
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:05:57 AM EDT
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Also, why is marinol schedule 3 if the plant it comes from is schedule 1? Another marijuana based drug is cesamet, which is Schedule 2. The fact that there are already lower scheduled THC drugs contradicts marijuana being schedule 1. In a nutshell, the delivery system. There is practically zero chance the FDA will ever approve a drug as "safe" that must be ignited and smoked to administer it. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:07:02 AM EDT
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At the rate they tax the fuck out that other plant people smoke I'd have guessed they'd be all for it.
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:09:44 AM EDT
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The US Government spent $111 million on cannibinoid research in 2015.
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:10:02 AM EDT
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how is weed schedule 1 and coke and meth are schedule 2?
just legalize all that shit already, it would clear up so much violence and get so many none violent offenders out of jail. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:11:29 AM EDT
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Tyrants gonna tyrant
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:11:57 AM EDT
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It's economics. They make a lot of money off putting people in jail for weed. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:12:09 AM EDT
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Funny how people question the governments ruling on pot but are proud of our second amendment. The federal government have professional scientists who did research on pot and have found it is one of the most harmful drugs with no medical benefits. Fact is pot makes you practically retarded, you can't hold a job and if you piss positive for it you will lose your job. I say good ruling. Hope it's illegal forever. We are finally getting control of the war on pot putting an end to people using the drug, why would we legalize it now. We must trust our governments rule and never question it.
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:15:06 AM EDT
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I don't really give a fuck what the govt says anymore, bunch of hypocrites that don't even abide by the laws they make/enforce, they don't care, why should I? See what Thomas Jefferson had to say about unjust laws.
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:15:07 AM EDT
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Funny how people question the governments ruling on pot but are proud of our second amendment. The federal government have professional scientists who did research on pot and have found it is one of the most harmful drugs with no medical benefits. Fact is pot makes you practically retarded, you can't hold a job and if you piss positive for it you will lose your job. I say good ruling. Hope it's illegal forever. We are finally getting control of the war on pot putting an end to people using the drug, why would we legalize it now. And pot needles. The government has spent $111 million last year on cannabinoid research. https://report.nih.gov/categorical_spending_project_listing.aspx?FY=2015&ARRA=N&DCat=Cannabinoid%20Research The DEA facilitated the research on marinol. https://www.dea.gov/divisions/sea/in_focus/marinol-cessmet.pdf |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:16:05 AM EDT
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In a nutshell, the delivery system. There is practically zero chance the FDA will ever approve a drug as "safe" that must be ignited and smoked to administer it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, why is marinol schedule 3 if the plant it comes from is schedule 1? Another marijuana based drug is cesamet, which is Schedule 2. The fact that there are already lower scheduled THC drugs contradicts marijuana being schedule 1. In a nutshell, the delivery system. There is practically zero chance the FDA will ever approve a drug as "safe" that must be ignited and smoked to administer it. https://www.dea.gov/divisions/sea/in_focus/marinol-cessmet.pdf I suppose that's why, but then what about vapor, oils, food products, etc? IIRC, there are studies showing that marinol is not as effective as smoked (or otherwise ingested) marijuana because of all the other chemicals that are not included in marinol but that are in the plant. In other words, there ARE medically accepted uses for the plant and the potential abuse is not any different. This is just classic government hypocrisy. ETA: This doesn't cite studies but is a general article on marinol versus marijuana. https://www.hellomd.com/health-wellness/marinol-versus-cannabis-which-is-more-effective
Marinol or Marijuana? There is increasing evidence that marijuana is a more effective treatment than Marinol for a range of conditions, including the side effects of chemotherapy and the symptoms of AIDS. The other compounds in marijuana, such as cannabidol, cannabinol, and terpenoids, offer benefits that extend far beyond those offered by THC, including pain relief and a decrease in anxiety. Cancer and AIDS patients often experience pain, in addition to the nausea and anorexia that THC can treat. Perhaps the most important argument for using marijuana rather than Marinol is that the natural plant often causes far fewer side effects, particularly psychoactive side effects such as anxiety. FDA approval for medical marijuana could allow sufferers of cancer and AIDS to benefit from the entourage effect of cannabis, where the various compounds in cannabis work together to create an overall beneficial effect. ETA2: This NORML article has citations to studies: http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/marinol-vs-natural-cannabis ETA 3: This pro/con lists brings up the point of exactly controlling the amount of chemicals delivered and that is why a plant would never be approved. http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000090 |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:18:46 AM EDT
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There's the bottom line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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yeah, pot is in the same league as heroin
gotta keep drug warriors employed Hells yeah. WASHINGTON — Federal drug agents regularly mine Americans’ travel information to profile people who might be ferrying money for narcotics traffickers — though they almost never use what they learn to make arrests or build criminal cases. |
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:23:11 AM EDT
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I read somewhere the US government holds a patent for medicinal uses of marijuana.
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Posted: 8/11/2016 11:27:28 AM EDT
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Good. I don't want my kids to grow up in a world where pot is legal. Pot is the devil's tool to do the devil's bidding. Lol. A drunk is about 10x more dangerous than any stoner. |
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