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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:05:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryAnd I was looking for that pic. Off to revise... 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:05:40 PM EST
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Not apologizing for Moonbeam being a first class cunt, but the emergency relief funds request is for flooding in 34 counties and not this particular incident as far as I can tell. I agree the federal govt should withhold any and all funds until California obeys immigration laws. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:06:36 PM EST
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They were adamant in the news conference yesterday that they were pretty sure the emergency spillway wouldn't even come into play.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:07:03 PM EST
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Auxiliary is probably a better term actually. People over-react to words like 'emergency'. Emergency tends to bring images of out of control or chaos to mind. This spillway is really an overflow spillway to supplement the primary spillway in case the primary can't keep up - for whatever reason. Could be broken or damaged gates, could be too much inflow. This spillway is a safety valve essentially to prevent water from topping the dam itself. That would be an emergency. Kind of had the same thing on the space shuttle engines. When the original engines were spec'd out there was a 100% or Rated Power level (RPL), 104% pl. and 109% Emergency Power level (EPL). As missions grew heavier the 109% power level began to be part of the mission profile - but using words like Emergency Power level had really bad feelz. So EPL became Full Power level (FPL) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a DWR Tweet using that same term that was shared. Made me  Auxiliary is probably a better term actually. People over-react to words like 'emergency'. Emergency tends to bring images of out of control or chaos to mind. This spillway is really an overflow spillway to supplement the primary spillway in case the primary can't keep up - for whatever reason. Could be broken or damaged gates, could be too much inflow. This spillway is a safety valve essentially to prevent water from topping the dam itself. That would be an emergency. Kind of had the same thing on the space shuttle engines. When the original engines were spec'd out there was a 100% or Rated Power level (RPL), 104% pl. and 109% Emergency Power level (EPL). As missions grew heavier the 109% power level began to be part of the mission profile - but using words like Emergency Power level had really bad feelz. So EPL became Full Power level (FPL) With the way this dam and spillway system is designed, the weir spillway really is an emergency spillway. The only reason it should eve be used is if things go very, very wrong. And they have... |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:08:25 PM EST
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Says lake oroville has a max depth of 722 feet Might be a foot or two deeper now! Shallower, actually. All the runoff into the reservoir is leaving silt there. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:09:49 PM EST
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The Brit gets American politics better than some Americans... |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:10:08 PM EST
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current water level 902.33
so 1.33 feet going over the E spillway. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:10:15 PM EST
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Nice to see the increase tapering off.
Voltage back down to nominal too! |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:10:16 PM EST
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I wish they'd release any and all reports of recommended dam maintenance and repairs. The downplaying to the media has me thinking they are trying to avoid embarrassment.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:15:13 PM EST
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CA is 400 Billion in debt. How does that happen? The dams are maintained by federal dollars but we neglected infra structure the last 8 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not apologizing for Moonbeam being a first class cunt, but the emergency relief funds request is for flooding in 34 counties and not this particular incident as far as I can tell. I agree the federal govt should withhold any and all funds until California obeys immigration laws. You get in debt by spending more money then you take in. Yes, infrastructure has been neglected due to money being spent for other shit. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:18:50 PM EST
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Leave it to arfcom to give me a fucking innout craving reading a dam thread He better get us a fucking double double, animal style with animal fries!!!!  Hell yeah. That's how that shit's done. Nope... Double Double plain with extra cheese.. salt & pepper packets... nothing else needed. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:21:55 PM EST
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Auxiliary is probably a better term actually. People over-react to words like 'emergency'. Emergency tends to bring images of out of control or chaos to mind. This spillway is really an overflow spillway to supplement the primary spillway in case the primary can't keep up - for whatever reason. Could be broken or damaged gates, could be too much inflow. This spillway is a safety valve essentially to prevent water from topping the dam itself. That would be an emergency. Kind of had the same thing on the space shuttle engines. When the original engines were spec'd out there was a 100% or Rated Power level (RPL), 104% pl. and 109% Emergency Power level (EPL). As missions grew heavier the 109% power level began to be part of the mission profile - but using words like Emergency Power level had really bad feelz. So EPL became Full Power level (FPL) I'm giving her all she's got Captain. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:22:40 PM EST
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Nope... Double Double plain with extra cheese.. salt & pepper packets... nothing else needed. Meh innout is not as good without animal style. Not a fan of fries though |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:23:16 PM EST
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Todays bounty is less due to being live for a few hours.
 Oroville dam overflowing 1  Oroville dam overflow 2  Oroville dam overflow 5  Oroville dam overflow 3 My pix arent working at the moment. Ill see if i can get them up. Can anybody post links to the live feeds? |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:24:16 PM EST
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1900 PST
Level at 902.33' up 0.05' or 0.6" from 1800 PST Inflow 67533 cfs down 578 cfs from 1800 PST Outflow of main spillway remains about steady at 55148 cfs |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:24:21 PM EST
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Says lake oroville has a max depth of 722 feet Lake Gaston is at most 100-125ft in just a few parts of the old river channel and right at the dam. Oroville is deep as fuck! 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:25:24 PM EST
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:31:39 PM EST
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Lake Gaston is at most 100-125ft in just a few parts of the old river channel and right at the dam. Oroville is deep as fuck! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Says lake oroville has a max depth of 722 feet Lake Gaston is at most 100-125ft in just a few parts of the old river channel and right at the dam. Oroville is deep as fuck! In comparison, the Edmund Fitzgerald sits at 533'. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:32:44 PM EST
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Todays bounty is less due to being live for a few hours.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeHGkfqL7Oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUKfIstnu4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKMvsaeFwIk
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My pix arent working at the moment. Ill see if i can get them up. Can anybody post links to the live feeds? Great Work ! Thanks for your efforts Mang ! 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:34:33 PM EST
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With the way this dam and spillway system is designed, the weir spillway really is an emergency spillway. The only reason it should eve be used is if things go very, very wrong. And they have... Having water going over the emergency spillway is less desirable than going through the fully functional normal spillway since the emergency spillway can't be controlled and since it also will introduce silt. I would call it an emergency spillway based on it's function. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:34:55 PM EST
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In comparison, the Edmund Fitzgerald sits at 533'. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Says lake oroville has a max depth of 722 feet Lake Gaston is at most 100-125ft in just a few parts of the old river channel and right at the dam. Oroville is deep as fuck! In comparison, the Edmund Fitzgerald sits at 533'. And Lake Tahoe is 1645' deep... |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:35:15 PM EST
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1,644' Lake Tahoe
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:36:51 PM EST
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1,644' Lake Tahoe Must be the silt from Lake Oroville...:-) |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:37:00 PM EST
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Don't Like Damn Disasters In CA? Blame Environmentalists Who Banned Them
The 10 largest reservoirs in California, linchpins of the water system for 38 million people and the nation’s largest farm economy, were all built between 1927 and 1979. Shasta Lake, the massive inland sea on the Sacramento River near Redding, was finished in 1945. Oroville, the tallest dam in the United States, at 770-feet high on the Feather River in Butte County, was started under Gov. Pat Brown’s building boom in 1961 and finished in 1968. The last huge reservoir built in California was New Melones, on the Stanislaus River in Calaveras County. Since the Army Corps of Engineers cut the ribbon on it in 1979, California has grown by 15 million people, the equivalent of adding everyone now living in Washington, Oregon and Nevada to the Golden State. The “destroy the dams” movement had gained so much steam in recent years that San Franciscans were asked in a 2012 advisory vote to destroy the O’Shaughnessy dam in Yosemite National Park and drain the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir — the main source of water for the state’s third-largest city. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:38:21 PM EST
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Seneca lake is one of the deepest natural lakes in the US at a little over 600'.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:39:24 PM EST
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This is the link to OPs periscope acct, click on his user name and you can see all the awesomeness he shot for us today.
Good stuff. Periscope |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:39:26 PM EST
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Todays bounty is less due to being live for a few hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeHGkfqL7Oc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUKfIstnu4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKMvsaeFwIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayMOqTBYDoY
My pix arent working at the moment. Ill see if i can get them up. Can anybody post links to the live feeds? Should be able to click on the username and see the past broadcasts. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:41:00 PM EST
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Seneca lake is one of the deepest natural lakes in the US at a little over 600'. I think that Lake Tahoe is the largest Alpine lake (natural) in the world and is 1644' deep... |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:43:48 PM EST
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Seneca lake is one of the deepest natural lakes in the US at a little over 600'. 
It's not even in the top 10. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:45:50 PM EST
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No way that was a couple of hundred feet, I'm guessing closer to 15'-20'. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think what we are getting at is there is not technically a fuse plug but that weir can only take so much pressure or it wouldn't be backfilled like that. So you have seen the cut and fill drawings for the overflow weir (e-spill)? No way that was a couple of hundred feet, I'm guessing closer to 15'-20'.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:47:43 PM EST
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I think that Lake Tahoe is the largest Alpine lake (natural) in the world and is 1644' deep... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seneca lake is one of the deepest natural lakes in the US at a little over 600'. I think that Lake Tahoe is the largest Alpine lake (natural) in the world and is 1644' deep... Crater Lake maximum depth is 1946'. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:48:47 PM EST
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I'm not sure what point you're making in regards to my post. You get in debt by spending more money then you take in. Yes, infrastructure has been neglected due to money being spent for other shit. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:50:43 PM EST
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Crater Lake maximum depth is 1946'. Lake Baikal 5,387' |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:52:12 PM EST
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So I was out for the night. Looks like no new earth shattering developments?
From the one YT video, looked like a lot of erosion right below the eSpillway, but that was expected. Dark there now I assume, so will there be any real updates before morning? (This thread is great BTW, even if the circumstance is not.) |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:52:24 PM EST
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Nice to see the increase tapering off. Voltage back down to nominal too! What does the voltage represent and what is the acceptable "nominal" range? |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:53:09 PM EST
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Crater Lake maximum depth is 1946'. But...is it an Alpine Lake?...:-) Can you water ski on it?.... |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:53:10 PM EST
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Seneca lake is one of the deepest natural lakes in the US at a little over 600'. I think that Lake Tahoe is the largest Alpine lake (natural) in the world and is 1644' deep... Crater Lake maximum depth is 1946'. Lake Baikal Aaaand beat by 3 minutes. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:55:26 PM EST
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Don't Like Damn Disasters In CA? Blame Environmentalists Who Banned Them The 10 largest reservoirs in California, linchpins of the water system for 38 million people and the nation’s largest farm economy, were all built between 1927 and 1979. Shasta Lake, the massive inland sea on the Sacramento River near Redding, was finished in 1945. Oroville, the tallest dam in the United States, at 770-feet high on the Feather River in Butte County, was started under Gov. Pat Brown’s building boom in 1961 and finished in 1968. The last huge reservoir built in California was New Melones, on the Stanislaus River in Calaveras County. Since the Army Corps of Engineers cut the ribbon on it in 1979, California has grown by 15 million people, the equivalent of adding everyone now living in Washington, Oregon and Nevada to the Golden State. The “destroy the dams” movement had gained so much steam in recent years that San Franciscans were asked in a 2012 advisory vote to destroy the O’Shaughnessy dam in Yosemite National Park and drain the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir — the main source of water for the state’s third-largest city. How could any society be so completely full of derp?!? I just don't understand it at all. 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:55:33 PM EST
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They were adamant in the news conference yesterday that they were pretty sure the emergency spillway wouldn't even come into play. Then when it was used they said only until about 9 tomorrow morning. Now the latest I saw said it'll be in use for a few days. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:56:50 PM EST
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What does the voltage represent and what is the acceptable "nominal" range? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice to see the increase tapering off. Voltage back down to nominal too! What does the voltage represent and what is the acceptable "nominal" range? Hell if I know! |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:59:42 PM EST
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I'm trying to give a picture of the underwater topography, not on the spillway side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9YUKbHt6B4Thanks for posting it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:00:46 PM EST
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What does the voltage represent and what is the acceptable "nominal" range? Battery Voltage. Regulated charging and discharging, like a deep cycle battery. It's more complicated than that, but some sensor's output is scaled to the voltage, so knowing it is important, as well as knowing if power failed and the voltage is falling that it might go offline. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:02:34 PM EST
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It seems silly to me to cut all of the trees from the espillway. Maybe it might make things better now, but 10 years from now when this happens again, there won't be any roots holding that soil together. All that soil will quickly erode. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:03:17 PM EST
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Is it true that federal funds are given to CA for maintenance of the dam?
Moonbeam: Mr Trump, we have an emergency at this dam and need hundreds of millions of dollars to clean up the mess and fix the dam. Trump: Weren't we giving you money to maintain the dam? Moonbeam: Yes, but we needed to use that money to fund our giant illegal immigrant population, and provide safe spaces for all our aggrieved special snowflakes. Trump: Maybe we should take the dam off your hands and have the Corps of Engineers Make Oroville Dam Great Again after cleaning up the mess. Moonbeam: You can't do that, the dam belongs to California. Trump: Not after the EPA does a full cavity search of you and your minions that run the budget office and the department of water regarding misuse of federal funds and falsifying dam certification inspections and licensing documents. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:04:27 PM EST
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:05:56 PM EST
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Help the people directly impacted if the dam breaks? Sure. Help the people who stayed downstream and got flooded out? Up to the state or their insurance companies. Help the state government that apparently skimped on maintenance of the largest dam in the country? Yeah, fuck that. Pull the money out of your ass, Moonbeam and Assembly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok. Given the population differences, you'd expect more to vote for Trump, but proportionally is that the case? Also, isn't California in tremendous debt? Keep hearing about CA being in dire straits financially, suffering from poor spending policies, and poorly managed priorities. What exactly is the justification for withholding disaster assistance from your own countrymen for political reasons in the first place? Debt to State GDP ratio is significantly less than the Federal ratio. CA is suffering from poor spending policies and poorly managed priorities (who isn't?). I hope you will forgive me for not finding that a compelling reason to write off the victims of any potential disaster. Help the people directly impacted if the dam breaks? Sure. Help the people who stayed downstream and got flooded out? Up to the state or their insurance companies. Help the state government that apparently skimped on maintenance of the largest dam in the country? Yeah, fuck that. Pull the money out of your ass, Moonbeam and Assembly. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:08:31 PM EST
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Crest about 20 inches over wall (902.6') was an estimate earlier, but it was just an estimate. Almost 1000 ft of a 2 foot stream down the hill. This could play out not so badly if it decides to cut more than one channel down the face of the emergency gorge, that would limit the water meandering and eroding since force would be spread out more. The lack of any aerial updates, along with their press releases being happy thoughts through rose colored glasses and hope don't imply good things. The state could release aerial photos, there are aircraft in the area. I guess they don't want people paying attention to it nationwide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it expected to get higher yet ? Crest about 20 inches over wall (902.6') was an estimate earlier, but it was just an estimate. Almost 1000 ft of a 2 foot stream down the hill. This could play out not so badly if it decides to cut more than one channel down the face of the emergency gorge, that would limit the water meandering and eroding since force would be spread out more. The lack of any aerial updates, along with their press releases being happy thoughts through rose colored glasses and hope don't imply good things. The state could release aerial photos, there are aircraft in the area. I guess they don't want people paying attention to it nationwide. That kinda says it all about the state of things there. One could argue things are under control but they just want to avoid any kind of mass panic leading to an exerbation of the existing issues. That would be a valid point, but Im not so sure I buy it. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:11:11 PM EST
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That kinda says it all about the state of things there. One could argue things are under control but they just want to avoid any kind of mass panic leading to an exerbation of the existing issues. That would be a valid point, but Im not so sure I buy it. The grapevine amongst the locals ( not my PGE buddy ) is that it's all screwed and they are in hail mary mode. There's thousands of people involved so it's not a huge secret. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:11:56 PM EST
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Nice to see the increase tapering off. Voltage back down to nominal too! What does the voltage represent and what is the acceptable "nominal" range? Hell if I know! It is just the battery voltage of the sensor suite. Many have a solar panel as well for charging the battery and powering the unit during the day like what is pictured. 
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:13:44 PM EST
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I'm trying to give a picture of the underwater topography, not on the spillway side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9YUKbHt6B4Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think what we are getting at is there is not technically a fuse plug but that weir can only take so much pressure or it wouldn't be backfilled like that. So you have seen the cut and fill drawings for the overflow weir (e-spill)? No way that was a couple of hundred feet, I'm guessing closer to 15'-20'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9YUKbHt6B4OK, back on topic...I have no idea what I am talking about... I have been on the Lake when it was full and as it has been dry. Just like in the Utube vid, as we had to launch the boat off a dirt road...below the boat ramp... Are you trying to say that the weir (new word to me) is over 200' high or if the dam is set up for the espill with the weir, as the fuse plug? |
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